budget core2duo or budget athlonX2

[Giraffe]

i am thinking about upgrading to a duel core after core 2 duo is released
how will the budget conroe's e6300 and e6400 i think compare against socket am2's 3800+ and 4000+ cpu's in performance and price
i dont plan 2 overclock
thx in advance

 

[kuff_kuff]

i am thinking about upgrading to a duel core after core 2 duo is released
how will the budget conroe's e6300 and e6400 i think compare against socket am2's 3800+ and 4000+ cpu's in performance and price
i dont plan 2 overclock
thx in advance

Simply faster

The E6300 will be faster than the 4000+ X2, the E6400 can keep up with a 5000+ X2 is some tests, i'll try to find the link to the benchmarks and post it here.

EDIT:

here they are-

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/cpu/intel-conroe-2-13-ghz.html

http://www.pconline.com.cn/diy/evalue/evalue/cpu/0605/791941_12.html

 

[Giraffe]

thanks for the help
will the core 2 duo's be more expensive than the competing x2 cpu's

 

[Ycon]

Its the E6300 keeping up, E6400 is faster.

Well, all about your question has been said: Core 2 Duo = faster, cheaper, more economical

 

[kuff_kuff]

Its the E6300 keeping up, E6400 is faster.

just trying to be a little conservative since those benchmarks may not represent Giraffe's typical applications, so i chose a lower ranking AMD cpu, but the result is the same, Core 2 Duo leaves no room for AMD to compete other than price wise.

 

[kuff_kuff]

thanks for the help
will the core 2 duo's be more expensive than the competing x2 cpu's

No problem,

Intel will be comparably cheaper prices are here:

Intel http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2547

AMD http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2800

Core 2 Duo will be price competitive, most definitely so.

 

[BaronMatrix]

i am thinking about upgrading to a duel core after core 2 duo is released
how will the budget conroe's e6300 and e6400 i think compare against socket am2's 3800+ and 4000+ cpu's in performance and price
i dont plan 2 overclock
thx in advance

it's kind of hard to say the better value for the system. the chip is done. Core 2 wins. The system price may make a difference though.

 

[kuff_kuff]

i am thinking about upgrading to a duel core after core 2 duo is released
how will the budget conroe's e6300 and e6400 i think compare against socket am2's 3800+ and 4000+ cpu's in performance and price
i dont plan 2 overclock
thx in advance

it's kind of hard to say the better value for the system. the chip is done. Core 2 wins. The system price may make a difference though.

Keep in mind he is looking for a low end Core 2 Duo, i woudl assume that he's not looking for a top of the line board, given he doesnt plan to overclock, i would be certain that between the 965 , 946 chipsets and low end Nvidia and ATI chipsets for conroe, the system costs wont be any different than going the AMD way.

 

[Ycon]

When Conroe is out, it will be very cheap to build a platform for it.
If you build now its going to be very expensive since you would need to buy the D975XBX rev.304 (way above 200 USD) + Pentium D 805 to use the system until then.

 

[JohnWeldt]

Why do you think prices over all are dropping so much? Should the new coreduals not be ridiculously over price on the début?

The E6400 seems like a bargain. I guess time will tell as very little real world results are in about the coreduals.

digit-life.com compared the E6400 to AMD FX-62 and 60. Now the FX’s beat the E6400 but considering the price difference it is a very strong showing.

I want to see the X2 3800+ go head to head with E6400.

 

[kuff_kuff]

The E6400 seems like a bargain. I guess time will tell as very little real world results are in about the coreduals.

I disagee, but i suppose it would be your definition of "real world results"

the only real world apps @ the consumer level that i believe require alot of cpu power are games and media encoding, anything else will run quite fast on a Celeron D,

if there are other apps u can think of, let me know

 

[namralaks]

I want to see the X2 3800+ go head to head with E6400.

Since the E6400 matches the fx-60 in a number of benchies , it will pulverize the x2 3800+

 

[JohnWeldt]

The E6400 seems like a bargain. I guess time will tell as very little real world results are in about the coreduals.

I disagree, but i suppose it would be your definition of "real world results"

the only real world apps @ the consumer level that i believe require allot of CPU power are games and media encoding, anything else will run quite fast on a Celeron D,

if there are other apps u can think of, let me know

Yes, definition of "real world results" is open to interpretation. And you are correct that word processing type applications do not require a Conroe $600 CPU to work.

But much like most people on the forums you are not here because you love word processing rather like to tweak and learn.

I want the best system for my money, that I can mess with at my convenience. In my world I play; which includes games, media encoding, and word processing.

 

[Leto_Atreides]

The E6400 seems like a bargain. I guess time will tell as very little real world results are in about the coreduals.

I disagee, but i suppose it would be your definition of "real world results"

the only real world apps @ the consumer level that i believe require alot of cpu power are games and media encoding, anything else will run quite fast on a Celeron D,

if there are other apps u can think of, let me know

One real world app at the consumer level that require a lot of cpu power is chess engines such as Rybka, Shredder, Fritz, etc. There's lots of computer chess enthusiasts eagerly awaiting for Conroe.

 

[kuff_kuff]

One real world app at the consumer level that require a lot of cpu power is chess engines such as Rybka, Shredder, Fritz, etc. There's lots of computer chess enthusiasts eagerly awaiting for Conroe.

Never thought about that, i only play chess against other ppl, havent played in a while anyway.

How to Chess programs use that extra power?

PS. A Dune fan are we?

 

[Leto_Atreides]

One real world app at the consumer level that require a lot of cpu power is chess engines such as Rybka, Shredder, Fritz, etc. There's lots of computer chess enthusiasts eagerly awaiting for Conroe.

Never thought about that, i only play chess against other ppl, havent played in a while anyway.

How to Chess programs use that extra power?

PS. A Dune fan are we?

Chess engines use interger calculations rather than floating point. The better the cpu is at doing interger calculations, the deeper the engine will be able to see.

You can do online auto engine vs engine on Playchess server and ICC (I never tried it on ICC though) .

With my P4 3.2 Prescott, Rybka 2 searches around 100kN/s (100 thousand positions per second) and achieves a 2550-2600 or so rating.

Using the same engine but on an Athlon FX-62 Dual Core, it searches around 1,115kN/s (1.12 million positions per second) , and achieves a 2800-2900+ rating.

on an Opteron 280 dual core (4 threads), it searches around 1,003kN/s (1.0 million positions per second), and achieves a 2800-2900+ rating.

on an Athlon X2 4200+, it searches around 810kN/s (810 thousand positions per second), and achieves a 2780-2800+ rating.