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Kick-butt PC with Vista and WDDM in mind (need your help!)

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June 25, 2006 12:24:42 PM

Hi all, I'm looking to place an order for a new mid-high performance PC in the next week or so and I am at a lost for which mobo to buy (with reference to chipset).

Currently I own the following....

- Viewsonic VP-191B (Black) 19" LCD
- Antec TX1050B File Server Case (Black) - 500W PSW, 10 drive bays 4x3.5" internal, 2x3.5" & 4x5.25" external, front USB/IEEE1394/Audio, ATX
- Pentium 4 650 (3.4GHz) LGA 775, 2MB, 800Mhz FSB (0.09u)
- Thermaltake Big Typhoon (CL-P0114) CPU Cooler
- 2*Seagate ST3250823AS NCQ 250GB / Serial ATA / 7200 RPM / 8MB
- ABIT (LGA775) AA8XE-3RDEYE Motherboard - i925XE, 1066MHz FSB, Dual DDR2-533, PCI-Express, SATA Raid, GbE LAN, USB2.0, IEEE1394, 8Ch, uGuru, GuruClock, ATX
- 2*Corsair (VS1GBKIT533D2) Value Select DDR2 (2 x 512Mb Modules) 1GB PC-4200, 240-pin DDR2
- 2*LG (GSA-4163BBK) Black 16x +/- DVD Burner, Dual Layer (OEM) with Software
- ABIT (PCI Express) Radeon RX800 XL 256MB DDR3 with Dual DVI, VGA, VIVO, HDTV support, PCI Express x16 interface, PowerDVD software
- Microsoft Windows XP Professional x64 (OEM)
- Logitech Z-5500 Digital THX 6 piece speakers
- Microsoft (Black) Digital Media Pro Keyboard (BX1-00001)
- Logitech MX 1000 Laser Cordless Mouse

So far my new rig is looking to be.... (I am keeping my existing speakers)

- 19" ViewSonic VP930B (Black) [if I can find one in Aus]
- Antec TX1088AMG Metallic Grey SOHO Tower Case with 480W TruePower-II PSU
- Intel Pentium D 960 - 3.6Ghz - (800FSB/LGA775/2x2M cache/Dual Core)
- Asus EAX1900XT-2DHTV-512 Radeon X1900XT-512MB OR PowerColor ATi Radeon X1900 XT 512MB PCI-Express
- Corsair 2GB TWIN2X2048-6400 DDR2 XMS2 PC6400 Dual Channel Kit (2x1GB, 800Mhz) [this may change pending mobo decision to support dual channel]
- Western Digital WD1500ADFD Raptor 150GB SATA 150, 16mb Cache 10,000RPM [for OS]
- Seagate ST3500630AS Baracuda 7200.10 500GB 7200rpm Serial ATAII 16mb Cache, NCQ [for storage]
- LG GSA-H10ABBK 16X +/- Dual Layer DVD Burner
- Microsoft (Black) Digital Media Pro Keyboard (BX1-00001)
- Logitech MX 1000 Laser Cordless Mouse
- Microsoft Windows XP Professional OEM 32 Bit with SP2

I want my new rig to last a few decent years, and I intend to upgrading to MS Windows Vista 32-bit when it comes available. Because of this, I need my mobo to support the Windows Vista Display Driver model (WDDM). Currently I think the Intel® 945G and Mobile Intel® 945GM Express Chipsets are the only ones to support this, but these do not support dual channel DDR2 800/667 un-buffered non-ECC memory... (which I am thinking of getting).

So, what should I do? Which mobo chipset should I get?? Any comments???

[A side note is that I want my new rig to last long into the days with full Vista and DirectX 10 support, so I only expect to have to upgrade my graphics card in the near future.]
June 25, 2006 1:06:09 PM

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Hi all, I'm looking to place an order for a new mid-high performance PC in the next week or so and I am at a lost for which mobo to buy (with reference to chipset).

Currently I own the following....

- Viewsonic VP-191B (Black) 19" LCD
- Antec TX1050B File Server Case (Black) - 500W PSW, 10 drive bays 4x3.5" internal, 2x3.5" & 4x5.25" external, front USB/IEEE1394/Audio, ATX
- Pentium 4 650 (3.4GHz) LGA 775, 2MB, 800Mhz FSB (0.09u)
- Thermaltake Big Typhoon (CL-P0114) CPU Cooler
- 2*Seagate ST3250823AS NCQ 250GB / Serial ATA / 7200 RPM / 8MB
- ABIT (LGA775) AA8XE-3RDEYE Motherboard - i925XE, 1066MHz FSB, Dual DDR2-533, PCI-Express, SATA Raid, GbE LAN, USB2.0, IEEE1394, 8Ch, uGuru, GuruClock, ATX
- 2*Corsair (VS1GBKIT533D2) Value Select DDR2 (2 x 512Mb Modules) 1GB PC-4200, 240-pin DDR2
- 2*LG (GSA-4163BBK) Black 16x +/- DVD Burner, Dual Layer (OEM) with Software
- ABIT (PCI Express) Radeon RX800 XL 256MB DDR3 with Dual DVI, VGA, VIVO, HDTV support, PCI Express x16 interface, PowerDVD software
- Microsoft Windows XP Professional x64 (OEM)
- Logitech Z-5500 Digital THX 6 piece speakers
- Microsoft (Black) Digital Media Pro Keyboard (BX1-00001)
- Logitech MX 1000 Laser Cordless Mouse

So far my new rig is looking to be.... (I am keeping my existing speakers)

- 19" ViewSonic VP930B (Black) [if I can find one in Aus]
- Antec TX1088AMG Metallic Grey SOHO Tower Case with 480W TruePower-II PSU
- Intel Pentium D 960 - 3.6Ghz - (800FSB/LGA775/2x2M cache/Dual Core)
- Asus EAX1900XT-2DHTV-512 Radeon X1900XT-512MB OR PowerColor ATi Radeon X1900 XT 512MB PCI-Express
- Corsair 2GB TWIN2X2048-6400 DDR2 XMS2 PC6400 Dual Channel Kit (2x1GB, 800Mhz) [this may change pending mobo decision to support dual channel]
- Western Digital WD1500ADFD Raptor 150GB SATA 150, 16mb Cache 10,000RPM [for OS]
- Seagate ST3500630AS Baracuda 7200.10 500GB 7200rpm Serial ATAII 16mb Cache, NCQ [for storage]
- LG GSA-H10ABBK 16X +/- Dual Layer DVD Burner
- Microsoft (Black) Digital Media Pro Keyboard (BX1-00001)
- Logitech MX 1000 Laser Cordless Mouse
- Microsoft Windows XP Professional OEM 32 Bit with SP2

I want my new rig to last a few decent years, and I intend to upgrading to MS Windows Vista 32-bit when it comes available. Because of this, I need my mobo to support the Windows Vista Display Driver model (WDDM). Currently I think the Intel® 945G and Mobile Intel® 945GM Express Chipsets are the only ones to support this, but these do not support dual channel DDR2 800/667 un-buffered non-ECC memory... (which I am thinking of getting).

So, what should I do? Which mobo chipset should I get?? Any comments???

[A side note is that I want my new rig to last long into the days with full Vista and DirectX 10 support, so I only expect to have to upgrade my graphics card in the near future.]




Any AMD or Intel based machine will work.

For AMD nVidia makes some of the best chipsets.

For Intel the 975X is super expensive but is supposed to be good.

Avoid any chipset with onboard VGA 945G or 9xxG they suck.
June 25, 2006 1:25:06 PM

It looks like ATI will support WDDM through the CATALYST Control Center, therefore I may not need to worry about native support for this on the mobo (if anyone is interested, ATI have an excellent white paper on WDDM, available here).

As for dual channel DDR2, is the Intel® 975X chipset the only one that supports this? I don't intend on (but won't rule out) using ATI Crossfire so the 2* PCI-E x16 is not a real benefit for me (which seems to be one of the main features for this chipset).
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June 25, 2006 2:04:34 PM

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It looks like ATI will support WDDM through the CATALYST Control Center, therefore I may not need to worry about native support for this on the mobo (if anyone is interested, ATI have an excellent white paper on WDDM, available here).

As for dual channel DDR2, is the Intel® 975X chipset the only one that supports this? I don't intend on (but won't rule out) using ATI Crossfire so the 2* PCI-E x16 is not a real benefit for me (which seems to be one of the main features for this chipset).




nVidia cards will work too

http://www.nvidia.com/page/technology_vista_home.html


Even some S3 and VIA VGAs will work.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/...


There is absolutely no need to buy Intel.

It doesn't matter what chipset you have.
June 25, 2006 2:10:22 PM

P5N32 SLI deluxe.....

it will suport your 960.....

it will do SLI

it will run DDR2

its far cheaper than your 975x mbs

and do get a half decent PSU for your new set up
June 25, 2006 2:21:18 PM

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P5N32 SLI deluxe.....

it will suport your 960.....

it will do SLI

it will run DDR2

its far cheaper than your 975x mbs

and do get a half decent PSU for your new set up





The 975XBX is super expensive but will do Crossfire (@8x) and the OP is using ATI, but may or may not use crossfire.
June 26, 2006 3:51:29 AM

I am not overly fussed about an ATI / Nvidia GPU & mobo, and both ATI and Nvidia seem to have WDDM under wraps on the latest hardware. The reason why I am favoring the X1900XT atm is it is about $200 cheaper than the X1900 XTX and 7900 GTX (in Australia). I don't plan on using Crossfire or SLI (ie. I won't be buying 2 graphic cards upfront), but if I do it will be in a years time at the earliest when both the 1900 and 7900 probably won't be available.

Does anyone know if the next-gen ATI and Nvidia cards that support DirectX 10 will work on current Crossfire and SLI hardware (ie mobo)? I understand this is probably purely speculation to provide an answer, but I welcome your comments.
June 26, 2006 4:10:26 AM

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I am not overly fussed about an ATI / Nvidia GPU & mobo, and both ATI and Nvidia seem to have WDDM under wraps on the latest hardware. The reason why I am favoring the X1900XT atm is it is about $200 cheaper than the X1900 XTX and 7900 GTX (in Australia). I don't plan on using Crossfire or SLI (ie. I won't be buying 2 graphic cards upfront), but if I do it will be in a years time at the earliest when both the 1900 and 7900 probably won't be available.

Does anyone know if the next-gen ATI and Nvidia cards that support DirectX 10 will work on current Crossfire and SLI hardware (ie mobo)? I understand this is probably purely speculation to provide an answer, but I welcome your comments.




They certainly will work.
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