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June 26, 2006 6:22:25 PM

I was hoping to see some kick ass benches today. WTF?

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June 26, 2006 6:46:18 PM

Oh, well, if the CPUs are released today, how can there be benches today?

I guess its not too hard to understand that, is it?
June 26, 2006 6:57:31 PM

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Oh, well, if the CPUs are released today, how can there be benches today?

I guess its not too hard to understand that, is it?



They have had the chips for months and I assumed that - as usual - the benchmarks would be released as the NDA was up. It happened with every other chip.


I mean I haven't even seen a comprehensive story except one on tom's. I visited HPs site hopingot see hte 13 new 51xx models they are introing but no sign of them.


It's just strange. Maybe it's Karma for what happened at Opteron's launch.
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June 26, 2006 6:58:48 PM

Nope, I guess the sites want to have retail products so that the 7-fanpoi-army doesnt go nutz.
June 26, 2006 7:07:15 PM

What happened at the Opteron launch? Paper launch?
June 26, 2006 7:14:08 PM

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What happened at the Opteron launch? Paper launch?



intel convinced everyone to blow it off. No one showed up with systems.
June 26, 2006 7:27:26 PM

I'm going to wait for the antitrust verdict before responding to that :p 
June 26, 2006 7:30:21 PM

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I found it : http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=woodcrest&page=1

And HP says me my test workstation with woodcrest will arrive 3 of July is one HP xw6400 workstation.


from what i'm seeing there, Woodcrest is a WORKSTATION not a server. Apache is the only measure of a server nowadays. Sharikou is right about that.
June 26, 2006 7:32:05 PM

shakira (not the real shakira) is NEVER right.
June 26, 2006 8:10:35 PM

You can hate him but he's right about Apache being THE server bench.
June 26, 2006 8:22:12 PM

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You can hate him but he's right about Apache being THE server bench.


Not to be a downer, but assuming linear scaling, the 3.0Ghz Woodcrest chip will beat the 2.6Ghz Opteron in Apache. Considering that Apache is something that doesn't really scale in a completely orderly fashion, it's hard to say whether it will beat it or not, but still. It's a bit early to say that the Opteron beats Woodcrest.

The 2.33Ghz Woodcrest has a 84% of the 2.6Ghz Opteron performance. The 2.33Ghz Woodcrest is only 76% of the clock of the top of the line chip (the 3Ghz). That means that in a perfect world, the top of the line Woodcrest would have 8% higher performance. It is also cheaper than the top of the line Opteron.

While it is too early to say since that is just extrapolation, you can't say that Woodcrest has already lost the Apache bench. In fact, everything would indicate that it is in fact going to beat the Opteron, at a slightly lower price point to boot.
June 26, 2006 8:29:35 PM

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I'm going to wait for the antitrust verdict before responding to that :p 


Its still the truth. No one(HP, Gateway, Compaq) showed up with systems after saying they had them. the"RUMOR" was that Intel "convinced them not to show up.
June 26, 2006 8:32:53 PM

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You can hate him but he's right about Apache being THE server bench.


Not to be a downer, but assuming linear scaling, the 3.0Ghz Woodcrest chip will beat the 2.6Ghz Opteron in Apache. Considering that Apache is something that doesn't really scale in a completely orderly fashion, it's hard to say whether it will beat it or not, but still. It's a bit early to say that the Opteron beats Woodcrest.

The 2.33Ghz Woodcrest has a 84% of the 2.6Ghz Opteron performance. The 2.33Ghz Woodcrest is only 76% of the clock of the top of the line chip (the 3Ghz). That means that in a perfect world, the top of the line Woodcrest would have 8% higher performance. It is also cheaper than the top of the line Opteron.

While it is too early to say since that is just extrapolation, you can't say that Woodcrest has already lost the Apache bench. In fact, everything would indicate that it is in fact going to beat the Opteron, at a slightly lower price point to boot.

No one will admit it yet but I know the Apache benchmark was changed after the reaming of Paxville. (the units anyway)

But i digress, Socket F intros 2.8 and 3.0GHz. there is actually a 2.8 940 but think sun got them all. I also think that the added bandwidth of 667 will be better for server apps than for desktop. 533 FBDIMMs may not cut it.
June 26, 2006 8:39:59 PM

Too bad that gamepc.com site only used 5140/5130 Xeon processors which run in the $300-500 price range as they indicated. The Opteron 275/280/285 run in the $700-1000 price range. I'd be more interested in the comparison of the faster Woodcrests.

Incidentally, go to www.dell.com, select "Servers, Storage & Networking" for Small/Medium/Large Businesses - there's an ad right smack in the middle introducing Dell's new PowerEdge servers based on Woodcrest. I'm surprised you didn't find it after your one minute of searching.
June 26, 2006 8:40:45 PM

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I was hoping to see some kick ass benches today. WTF?





June 26, 2006 8:42:54 PM

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But i digress, Socket F intros 2.8 and 3.0GHz. there is actually a 2.8 940 but think sun got them all. I also think that the added bandwidth of 667 will be better for server apps than for desktop. 533 FBDIMMs may not cut it.



Yes, but Woodcrest is out now. You can't buy a Revison F processor yet! :roll:
June 26, 2006 8:44:32 PM

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Too bad that gamepc.com site only used 5140/5130 Xeon processors which run in the $300-500 price range as they indicated. The Opteron 275/280/285 run in the $700-1000 price range. I'd be more interested in the comparison of the faster Woodcrests.

Incidentally, go to www.dell.com, select "Servers, Storage & Networking" for Small/Medium/Large Businesses - there's an ad right smack in the middle introducing Dell's new PowerEdge servers based on Woodcrest. I'm surprised you didn't find it after your one minute of searching.



I'm at work and gave up after HP. they usually promote the hell out of Intel.
June 26, 2006 8:45:52 PM

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But i digress, Socket F intros 2.8 and 3.0GHz. there is actually a 2.8 940 but think sun got them all. I also think that the added bandwidth of 667 will be better for server apps than for desktop. 533 FBDIMMs may not cut it.



Yes, but Woodcrest is out now. You can't buy a Revison F processor yet! :roll:


true but so is Dempsey, Paxville, prescott, etc. They will keep Woodcrest out of the majority of systems.
June 26, 2006 9:02:44 PM

BaronMatrix = AMD Fanboy
June 26, 2006 9:08:55 PM

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You can hate him but he's right about Apache being THE server bench.

No it's not. Since GamePC used the built-in Apache benchmarking utility, then its very un-realworld since all its doing is requesting a single, static webpage repeatedly. No dynamic content, no database queries.

Anandtech had a more realistic test, involving Apache, PHP and MySQL.

http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2772&p=6
June 26, 2006 10:24:29 PM

Maybe you should go to the dell and HP sites and check out their servers FUDie.
June 26, 2006 10:45:47 PM

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BaronMatrix = AMD Fanboy



fellate me knave.
June 26, 2006 10:53:56 PM

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Are you actually searching or just trolling? Here's a link about Woodcrest-based HP servers.



it sounded liek I said I gve up after a minute CAUSE I'M AT WORK.


Away with thee, varlet.
June 27, 2006 12:09:44 AM

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You can hate him but he's right about Apache being THE server bench.


Moo.
Unix Is The Server Bench!
June 27, 2006 12:48:47 AM

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But i digress, Socket F intros 2.8 and 3.0GHz. there is actually a 2.8 940 but think sun got them all. I also think that the added bandwidth of 667 will be better for server apps than for desktop. 533 FBDIMMs may not cut it.

I've mentioned this before, but while the added bandwidth of DDR2 is nice, I'm thinking the added latency of registered DDR2 667 with 5-5-5 timings will hinder overall performance of Socket F in the end. It should be noted that Woodcrest can use up to DDR2 667 FB-DIMMs not just DDR2 553s. THG is doing a Woodcrest review too (on an older stepping 4 ES though), but they seem to be taking an extra day to ponder the wording before they release it. They only used DDR2 533 FB-DIMMs though GamePC did use DDR2 667.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/cpu/intel-conroe-2-...

Digit-Life did run Apache and the E6700 did very well against the FX62, but that's not exactly Woodcrest. Perhaps the immaturity of the Bensley platform is why Woodcrest doesn't seem to due so well although they weren't really that far behind. I'd want to see the results of the full Woodcrest product range though since GamePC only did the mid range models.
June 27, 2006 1:17:01 AM

Which job are you at right now?

Market Analyst,
Hardware Design,
Software Design,
Space Cadet?

or D "alll of the above"?

Still just curious?
June 27, 2006 2:01:12 AM

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Which job are you at right now?

Market Analyst,
Hardware Design,
Software Design,
Space Cadet?

or D "alll of the above"?

Still just curious?


lol...too funny! Maybe we should put that up for a vote?


GO AMDIBMCHARTEREDTRANSMETTANEXGEN !!!
June 27, 2006 12:39:03 PM

Err... no he wont... even if he wanted to, he couldnt because you have no ballz.
June 27, 2006 1:03:17 PM

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You can hate him but he's right about Apache being THE server bench.


Wrong... only if you want to run a web server, for other more general workloads TPM-C is a better fit....
June 27, 2006 1:08:24 PM

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But i digress, Socket F intros 2.8 and 3.0GHz. there is actually a 2.8 940 but think sun got them all. I also think that the added bandwidth of 667 will be better for server apps than for desktop. 533 FBDIMMs may not cut it.

I've mentioned this before, but while the added bandwidth of DDR2 is nice, I'm thinking the added latency of registered DDR2 667 with 5-5-5 timings will hinder overall performance of Socket F in the end. It should be noted that Woodcrest can use up to DDR2 667 FB-DIMMs not just DDR2 553s. THG is doing a Woodcrest review too (on an older stepping 4 ES though), but they seem to be taking an extra day to ponder the wording before they release it. They only used DDR2 533 FB-DIMMs though GamePC did use DDR2 667.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/cpu/intel-conroe-2-...

Digit-Life did run Apache and the E6700 did very well against the FX62, but that's not exactly Woodcrest. Perhaps the immaturity of the Bensley platform is why Woodcrest doesn't seem to due so well although they weren't really that far behind. I'd want to see the results of the full Woodcrest product range though since GamePC only did the mid range models.

There's CAS3 667 now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...


And it's hte same price as a good DDR kit. By the time socket F debuts it will be even cheaper. I would also bet that mobos support 800/1066, just like they did for AM2.
June 27, 2006 1:14:49 PM

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Which job are you at right now?

Market Analyst,
Hardware Design,
Software Design,
Space Cadet?

or D "alll of the above"?

Still just curious?


My Only one. I'm not Jamaican.
June 27, 2006 1:32:37 PM

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You can hate him but he's right about Apache being THE server bench.


Wrong... only if you want to run a web server, for other more general workloads TPM-C is a better fit....


Whew. It's a good thing there's only 17 million Websites in the world, someone may actuallly need these AMD chips.
June 27, 2006 1:48:51 PM

careful, never say never.
June 27, 2006 1:52:07 PM

They wont, they are aimed at different ends of the market, no competeion that way.
June 27, 2006 1:55:06 PM

Ycon, STOP, you shouldnt just repeatedly insult someone randomly, especialy with no reference to the topic! At least add something constructive.
June 27, 2006 2:19:22 PM

If he would stop making rubbish posts, Id have done something constructive. :) 
June 27, 2006 2:21:34 PM

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If he would stop making rubbish posts, Id have done something constructive. :) 



Damn him for talking about another CPU manuf. All of my statements are reasonable.
June 27, 2006 2:21:52 PM

A little advice: dont let others dictate your actions.
June 27, 2006 2:49:30 PM

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I was hoping to see some kick ass benches today. WTF?

Woodcrest is hiding in the wood. Shakira and the HORDE are looking after him to destroy it with the true benchmarks Shakira has made.
June 27, 2006 3:23:47 PM

My wood sadly crests in the morn... which awakens the beast and usually catches hell if I try to rectify it...
June 27, 2006 3:26:05 PM

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My wood sadly crests in the morn... which awakens the beast and usually catches hell if I try to rectify it...
Lmao. She doesn't like getting poked in the back? :p 
June 27, 2006 3:48:06 PM

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My wood sadly crests in the morn... which awakens the beast and usually catches hell if I try to rectify it...
Lmao. She doesn't like getting poked in the back? :p 
she's been smashed in the face, so we have the choice of back or some lower, but we are not gay
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