Where's Woodcrest?

[BaronMatrix]

I was hoping to see some kick ass benches today. WTF?

 

[Ycon]

Oh, well, if the CPUs are released today, how can there be benches today?

I guess its not too hard to understand that, is it?

 

[BaronMatrix]

Oh, well, if the CPUs are released today, how can there be benches today?

I guess its not too hard to understand that, is it?

They have had the chips for months and I assumed that - as usual - the benchmarks would be released as the NDA was up. It happened with every other chip.


I mean I haven't even seen a comprehensive story except one on tom's. I visited HPs site hopingot see hte 13 new 51xx models they are introing but no sign of them.


It's just strange. Maybe it's Karma for what happened at Opteron's launch.

 

[Ycon]

Nope, I guess the sites want to have retail products so that the 7-fanpoi-army doesnt go nutz.

 

[shinigamiX]

What happened at the Opteron launch? Paper launch?

 

[Me_cago_en_el_moderador]

I found it : http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=woodcrest&page=1

And HP says me my test workstation with woodcrest will arrive 3 of July is one HP xw6400 workstation.

 

[BaronMatrix]

What happened at the Opteron launch? Paper launch?

intel convinced everyone to blow it off. No one showed up with systems.

 

[shinigamiX]

I'm going to wait for the antitrust verdict before responding to that

 

[BaronMatrix]

I found it : http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=woodcrest&page=1

And HP says me my test workstation with woodcrest will arrive 3 of July is one HP xw6400 workstation.

from what i'm seeing there, Woodcrest is a WORKSTATION not a server. Apache is the only measure of a server nowadays. Sharikou is right about that.

 

[Ycon]

shakira (not the real shakira) is NEVER right.

 

[Me_cago_en_el_moderador]

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ss/WF05a/15351-241434-241477-241477-f83-1121586.html

HP servers with woodcrest available from today 26 june.
I work with workstations and don't know about servers, I use it as rendernodes and backups.

 

[BaronMatrix]

You can hate him but he's right about Apache being THE server bench.

 

[BaronMatrix]

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ss/WF05a/15351-241434-241477-241477-f83-1121586.html

HP servers with woodcrest available from today 26 june.
I work with workstations and don't know about servers, I use it as rendernodes and backups.

usually Intel boxes get front page coverage. I searched for a mintue and couldn't find it. That's usually what happens with AMD.

 

[9-inch]

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ss/WF05a/15351-241434-241477-241477-f83-1121586.html

HP servers with woodcrest available from today 26 june.
I work with workstations and don't know about servers, I use it as rendernodes and backups.

usually Intel boxes get front page coverage. I searched for a mintue and couldn't find it. That's usually what happens with AMD.

I smell paper launch...

 

[ethernalite]

You can hate him but he's right about Apache being THE server bench.

Not to be a downer, but assuming linear scaling, the 3.0Ghz Woodcrest chip will beat the 2.6Ghz Opteron in Apache. Considering that Apache is something that doesn't really scale in a completely orderly fashion, it's hard to say whether it will beat it or not, but still. It's a bit early to say that the Opteron beats Woodcrest.

The 2.33Ghz Woodcrest has a 84% of the 2.6Ghz Opteron performance. The 2.33Ghz Woodcrest is only 76% of the clock of the top of the line chip (the 3Ghz). That means that in a perfect world, the top of the line Woodcrest would have 8% higher performance. It is also cheaper than the top of the line Opteron.

While it is too early to say since that is just extrapolation, you can't say that Woodcrest has already lost the Apache bench. In fact, everything would indicate that it is in fact going to beat the Opteron, at a slightly lower price point to boot.

 

[BaronMatrix]

I'm going to wait for the antitrust verdict before responding to that

Its still the truth. No one(HP, Gateway, Compaq) showed up with systems after saying they had them. the"RUMOR" was that Intel "convinced them not to show up.

 

[BaronMatrix]

You can hate him but he's right about Apache being THE server bench.

Not to be a downer, but assuming linear scaling, the 3.0Ghz Woodcrest chip will beat the 2.6Ghz Opteron in Apache. Considering that Apache is something that doesn't really scale in a completely orderly fashion, it's hard to say whether it will beat it or not, but still. It's a bit early to say that the Opteron beats Woodcrest.

The 2.33Ghz Woodcrest has a 84% of the 2.6Ghz Opteron performance. The 2.33Ghz Woodcrest is only 76% of the clock of the top of the line chip (the 3Ghz). That means that in a perfect world, the top of the line Woodcrest would have 8% higher performance. It is also cheaper than the top of the line Opteron.

While it is too early to say since that is just extrapolation, you can't say that Woodcrest has already lost the Apache bench. In fact, everything would indicate that it is in fact going to beat the Opteron, at a slightly lower price point to boot.

No one will admit it yet but I know the Apache benchmark was changed after the reaming of Paxville. (the units anyway)

But i digress, Socket F intros 2.8 and 3.0GHz. there is actually a 2.8 940 but think sun got them all. I also think that the added bandwidth of 667 will be better for server apps than for desktop. 533 FBDIMMs may not cut it.

 

[rainyjyu]

Too bad that gamepc.com site only used 5140/5130 Xeon processors which run in the $300-500 price range as they indicated. The Opteron 275/280/285 run in the $700-1000 price range. I'd be more interested in the comparison of the faster Woodcrests.

Incidentally, go to www.dell.com, select "Servers, Storage & Networking" for Small/Medium/Large Businesses - there's an ad right smack in the middle introducing Dell's new PowerEdge servers based on Woodcrest. I'm surprised you didn't find it after your one minute of searching.

 

[turpit]

I was hoping to see some kick ass benches today. WTF?

 

[ethernalite]

But i digress, Socket F intros 2.8 and 3.0GHz. there is actually a 2.8 940 but think sun got them all. I also think that the added bandwidth of 667 will be better for server apps than for desktop. 533 FBDIMMs may not cut it.

Yes, but Woodcrest is out now. You can't buy a Revison F processor yet! :roll:

 

[BaronMatrix]

Too bad that gamepc.com site only used 5140/5130 Xeon processors which run in the $300-500 price range as they indicated. The Opteron 275/280/285 run in the $700-1000 price range. I'd be more interested in the comparison of the faster Woodcrests.

Incidentally, go to www.dell.com, select "Servers, Storage & Networking" for Small/Medium/Large Businesses - there's an ad right smack in the middle introducing Dell's new PowerEdge servers based on Woodcrest. I'm surprised you didn't find it after your one minute of searching.

I'm at work and gave up after HP. they usually promote the hell out of Intel.

 

[BaronMatrix]

But i digress, Socket F intros 2.8 and 3.0GHz. there is actually a 2.8 940 but think sun got them all. I also think that the added bandwidth of 667 will be better for server apps than for desktop. 533 FBDIMMs may not cut it.

Yes, but Woodcrest is out now. You can't buy a Revison F processor yet! :roll:


true but so is Dempsey, Paxville, prescott, etc. They will keep Woodcrest out of the majority of systems.

 

[rainyjyu]

Are you actually searching or just trolling? Here's a link about Woodcrest-based HP servers.

 

[KBM]

BaronMatrix = AMD Fanboy

 

[accord99]

You can hate him but he's right about Apache being THE server bench.

No it's not. Since GamePC used the built-in Apache benchmarking utility, then its very un-realworld since all its doing is requesting a single, static webpage repeatedly. No dynamic content, no database queries.

Anandtech had a more realistic test, involving Apache, PHP and MySQL.

http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2772&p=6