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Anonymous
April 18, 2005 2:49:29 PM

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I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer. Does
a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.

I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them are
advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
quite inexpensive.

Are these OK to use?

Thanks
Anonymous
April 18, 2005 11:22:45 PM

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Most of the inks promoted by third party hawkers have a higher
propensity to clog your print head. Formulabs ink sold in bulk and
manufactured by Sensient in Southern California may be OK.
88inkjets.com sells it in prefilled cartridges. I just found another
place that I am in touch with in Kansas who also sells Formulabs
prefilled cartridges. I am checking on them.

One thing that you should realize is that the very vast majority of
claims by sellers of 3rd party ink are NOT selling you a known brand but
rather a label that they make up and put on their product. The product
contents of this label may not be consistent like Canon inks from lot to
lot and batch to batch regardless of what they say. In the early days
of computing there was the IBMPC and then a rash of clones that claimed
compatibility. Many found out the hard way that there is compatibility
and compatibility.

If you print a great deal I would say your printer is cheap enough to
take the risk. If you use not more than 3 sets of inks a year I would
stick with Canon.

Jane wrote:

>I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer. Does
>a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>
>I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them are
>advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
>quite inexpensive.
>
>Are these OK to use?
>
>Thanks
>
>
>
April 19, 2005 1:03:48 AM

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On 18 Apr 2005 10:49:29 -0700, "Jane" <googlemail2003@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer. Does
>a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>
>I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them are
>advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
>quite inexpensive.
>
>Are these OK to use?
>

Yes.
Related resources
April 19, 2005 3:34:12 AM

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Inkjet printers have the potential to get clogged heads with their own brand
inks as well as quality aftermarket inks. The two major issues are 1) the
quality of the aftermarket inks and cartridges and 2) the frequency with
which you print. In addition, there is always some buildup of dried ink on
the underside of printheads that can sometimes cause clogs with months or
years of normal, regular use. Since you are interested in your supplies
beyond just going to the store and buying Canon cartridges it would be a
good idea to become more educated regarding these printers, inks and
cartridges. Measekite is right that there are many poor quality inks out
there, but he is critical of the vendors, small businesses that repackage
other brand inks and sell them with their own labels on the internet, and he
writes about them in a disparaging manner. Moreover, he has never used
these products and yet makes authoritative statements based on what he has
selectively gleaned from reading posts on newsgroups. Although few of the
vendors advertise which inks they are selling, there are a few who do let
you know. I have personally used MIS inks to refill Canon carts and have
been very happy with the product (which I have been told is Image Specialist
ink). Look through this newsgroup for posts by Ron Cohen and Taliesyn for
info about their personal excellent experiences with third party inks.
Following are a few sites that have excellent information by people who
don't just give you their opinionated response - they have used these
products successfully, and they also report when they have had problems.
Neil Slade's info on Canon printers, papers, and inks is at
http://www.neilslade.com/papers/inkjetstuff.html . Then follow the link he
gives near the top of that site to http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/ for
the forum on ink jet stuff. Lots of information there as well. It's a good
idea to know how to trouble shoot printer problems that can occur with any
ink and that information is on those sites. Sensient Formulabs inks are
available bulk and also in prefilled cartridges, and this ink has quite a
good reputation with people who have used it and reported on this and other
forums. In addition to the site noted by Measekite (not a personal
endorsement as he has never used aftermarket inks) Formulabs ink is in
cartridges sold by Alotofthings (their Arrow carts, not Rainbow), Weink
(carts that have the CRU id in their product listings), and, I have been
told, Wiredbeans carts which are available on ebay. You can contact each of
them to verify that their cartridges are filled with Formulabs inks before
purchasing. Do sign in to the Nifty-stuff forum and ask any questions of
them that you wish. They are very helpful. There are some extremely
helpful participants on this newsgroup as well, but you can also experience
the invective and snide remarks of a few people on this NG that might tend
to discourage you from pursuing this issue. The short answer is that some
of the aftermarket cartridges are OK to use.

"Jane" <googlemail2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1113846569.802389.128640@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer. Does
> a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>
> I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them are
> advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
> quite inexpensive.
>
> Are these OK to use?
>
> Thanks
>
Anonymous
April 19, 2005 5:58:03 AM

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Jane wrote:

> I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer. Does
> a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>
> I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them are
> advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
> quite inexpensive.
>
> Are these OK to use?
>
> Thanks
>

Yup, read Burt's informative post. Alotofthings is probably the
highest rated dealer you'll find for quality inks. They have a positive
feedback rating of over 99.9% from over 7,200 satisfied users. Use the
cartridges Burt suggested (Arrow) and you shouldn't go wrong.

I use compatibles and bulk ink in my Canon iP5000, though not from
Alotofthings as they won't export internationally. But they would be
my first choice for inks as they are most trusted name. My iP5000 has
the smallest nozzles of all printers made. So if there was any danger of
my compatibles or bulk ink clogging the printhead then I have the
perfect printer to test them with. I have nothing to report other than
I'm getting perfect nozzle checks and pictures. Whereas Measekite
is terrified of trying compatibles, I have zero fear because I've
long been successfully using compatibles and or bulk ink for use in HP,
Canon, Epson and Lexmark printers. I've done them all.

-Taliesyn
April 19, 2005 9:57:13 AM

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Listen to this person. Very reasoned and balanced. His links are well worth a
visit.
Some compatible inks are good and some are bad as you would expect.
The remanufacturing industry is extremely large, no thinking person would blag
an entire industry that turns over several billion dollars per year.
Also, why would experienced and successful long established businesses use
anything but good quality raw materials.
Simply does not stack up. Any quality ink product will save money and you
should get excellent product and service. The trick is to find the good ones, I
suggest you go for companies that have been around a while and are easy to deal
with. By the way HP officially supports remanufacturers to some extent, read
their news releases.
Good Luck.
Tony


measekite <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Most of the inks promoted by third party hawkers have a higher
>propensity to clog your print head. Formulabs ink sold in bulk and
>manufactured by Sensient in Southern California may be OK.
>88inkjets.com sells it in prefilled cartridges. I just found another
>place that I am in touch with in Kansas who also sells Formulabs
>prefilled cartridges. I am checking on them.
>
>One thing that you should realize is that the very vast majority of
>claims by sellers of 3rd party ink are NOT selling you a known brand but
>rather a label that they make up and put on their product. The product
>contents of this label may not be consistent like Canon inks from lot to
>lot and batch to batch regardless of what they say. In the early days
>of computing there was the IBMPC and then a rash of clones that claimed
>compatibility. Many found out the hard way that there is compatibility
>and compatibility.
>
>If you print a great deal I would say your printer is cheap enough to
>take the risk. If you use not more than 3 sets of inks a year I would
>stick with Canon.
>
>Jane wrote:
>
>>I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer. Does
>>a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>>
>>I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them are
>>advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
>>quite inexpensive.
>>
>>Are these OK to use?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>
April 19, 2005 10:44:34 AM

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Oops I must have had a senior moment.
I am referring to Burts message as being very balanced.
Tony

Tony <> wrote:
>Listen to this person. Very reasoned and balanced. His links are well worth a
>visit.
>Some compatible inks are good and some are bad as you would expect.
>The remanufacturing industry is extremely large, no thinking person would blag
>an entire industry that turns over several billion dollars per year.
>Also, why would experienced and successful long established businesses use
>anything but good quality raw materials.
>Simply does not stack up. Any quality ink product will save money and you
>should get excellent product and service. The trick is to find the good ones,
>I
>suggest you go for companies that have been around a while and are easy to
>deal
>with. By the way HP officially supports remanufacturers to some extent, read
>their news releases.
>Good Luck.
>Tony
>
>
>measekite <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Most of the inks promoted by third party hawkers have a higher
>>propensity to clog your print head. Formulabs ink sold in bulk and
>>manufactured by Sensient in Southern California may be OK.
>>88inkjets.com sells it in prefilled cartridges. I just found another
>>place that I am in touch with in Kansas who also sells Formulabs
>>prefilled cartridges. I am checking on them.
>>
>>One thing that you should realize is that the very vast majority of
>>claims by sellers of 3rd party ink are NOT selling you a known brand but
>>rather a label that they make up and put on their product. The product
>>contents of this label may not be consistent like Canon inks from lot to
>>lot and batch to batch regardless of what they say. In the early days
>>of computing there was the IBMPC and then a rash of clones that claimed
>>compatibility. Many found out the hard way that there is compatibility
>>and compatibility.
>>
>>If you print a great deal I would say your printer is cheap enough to
>>take the risk. If you use not more than 3 sets of inks a year I would
>>stick with Canon.
>>
>>Jane wrote:
>>
>>>I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer. Does
>>>a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>>>
>>>I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them are
>>>advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
>>>quite inexpensive.
>>>
>>>Are these OK to use?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
Anonymous
April 19, 2005 11:24:12 AM

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Try searching for Cartridge World in the US, They use Formulabs and OCP ink
in their compatible cartridges, they also refill yours as well.
Regards
Stick
"Taliesyn" <taliesyn4@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:11697fcp7dlqj94@corp.supernews.com...
> Jane wrote:
>
>> I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer. Does
>> a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>>
>> I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them are
>> advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
>> quite inexpensive.
>>
>> Are these OK to use?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
> Yup, read Burt's informative post. Alotofthings is probably the
> highest rated dealer you'll find for quality inks. They have a positive
> feedback rating of over 99.9% from over 7,200 satisfied users. Use the
> cartridges Burt suggested (Arrow) and you shouldn't go wrong.
>
> I use compatibles and bulk ink in my Canon iP5000, though not from
> Alotofthings as they won't export internationally. But they would be
> my first choice for inks as they are most trusted name. My iP5000 has
> the smallest nozzles of all printers made. So if there was any danger of
> my compatibles or bulk ink clogging the printhead then I have the perfect
> printer to test them with. I have nothing to report other than
> I'm getting perfect nozzle checks and pictures. Whereas Measekite
> is terrified of trying compatibles, I have zero fear because I've
> long been successfully using compatibles and or bulk ink for use in HP,
> Canon, Epson and Lexmark printers. I've done them all.
>
> -Taliesyn
April 19, 2005 2:07:50 PM

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Tony,you had me worried! I thought we lost you to the troll.
<Tony> wrote in message news:1169a6ibdmk7o8e@news.supernews.com...
> Oops I must have had a senior moment.
> I am referring to Burts message as being very balanced.
> Tony
>
> Tony <> wrote:
>>Listen to this person. Very reasoned and balanced. His links are well
>>worth a
>>visit.
>>Some compatible inks are good and some are bad as you would expect.
>>The remanufacturing industry is extremely large, no thinking person would
>>blag
>>an entire industry that turns over several billion dollars per year.
>>Also, why would experienced and successful long established businesses use
>>anything but good quality raw materials.
>>Simply does not stack up. Any quality ink product will save money and you
>>should get excellent product and service. The trick is to find the good
>>ones,
>>I
>>suggest you go for companies that have been around a while and are easy to
>>deal
>>with. By the way HP officially supports remanufacturers to some extent,
>>read
>>their news releases.
>>Good Luck.
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>measekite <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Most of the inks promoted by third party hawkers have a higher
>>>propensity to clog your print head. Formulabs ink sold in bulk and
>>>manufactured by Sensient in Southern California may be OK.
>>>88inkjets.com sells it in prefilled cartridges. I just found another
>>>place that I am in touch with in Kansas who also sells Formulabs
>>>prefilled cartridges. I am checking on them.
>>>
>>>One thing that you should realize is that the very vast majority of
>>>claims by sellers of 3rd party ink are NOT selling you a known brand but
>>>rather a label that they make up and put on their product. The product
>>>contents of this label may not be consistent like Canon inks from lot to
>>>lot and batch to batch regardless of what they say. In the early days
>>>of computing there was the IBMPC and then a rash of clones that claimed
>>>compatibility. Many found out the hard way that there is compatibility
>>>and compatibility.
>>>
>>>If you print a great deal I would say your printer is cheap enough to
>>>take the risk. If you use not more than 3 sets of inks a year I would
>>>stick with Canon.
>>>
>>>Jane wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer. Does
>>>>a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>>>>
>>>>I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them are
>>>>advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
>>>>quite inexpensive.
>>>>
>>>>Are these OK to use?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
Anonymous
April 19, 2005 7:50:45 PM

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Taliesyn wrote:

> Jane wrote:
>
>> I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer. Does
>> a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>>
>> I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them are
>> advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
>> quite inexpensive.
>>
>> Are these OK to use?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
> Yup, read Burt's informative post. Alotofthings is probably the
> highest rated dealer you'll find for quality inks. They have a
> positive feedback rating of over 99.9% from over 7,200 satisfied
> users. Use the
> cartridges Burt suggested (Arrow) and you shouldn't go wrong.


If you want to deal with a mickey mouse organization that tells you not
to call them and if you are a Canadian they do not want your business.
That place is a kindergarten not a professional organization. While I
found 88inkjets.com as one source I did stumble on another source in
Kansas that I am checking out. On the surface they appear to have the
best prices on Formulabs prefilled ink carts.

That said, if you do not print (less than 3 sets a year) it is not worth
taking any chance. Also, if the carts are not labeled "Contains
Formulabs Ink" or their website (whoever the source) does not say
"Contains Formulabs Ink" then you never know from batch to batch or time
to time or purchase to purchase what is in the carts. This lack of
committment by any reseller is their way of hiding from you what you
should know.

>
> I use compatibles and bulk ink in my Canon iP5000, though not from
> Alotofthings as they won't export internationally. But they would be
> my first choice for inks as they are most trusted name. My iP5000 has
> the smallest nozzles of all printers made. So if there was any danger of
> my compatibles or bulk ink clogging the printhead then I have the
> perfect printer to test them with. I have nothing to report other than
> I'm getting perfect nozzle checks and pictures. Whereas Measekite
> is terrified of trying compatibles,


There is some truth to that; however, if I went through 8 to 10 full
sets of carts a year I probably would take the risk. That is why I am
following information from this site in Kansas. I do expect to speak to
them in the next couple of weeks.

> I have zero fear because I've
> long been successfully using compatibles and or bulk ink for use in HP,
> Canon, Epson and Lexmark printers. I've done them all.
>
> -Taliesyn
Anonymous
April 19, 2005 7:58:11 PM

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Tony wrote:

>Oops I must have had a senior moment.
>I am referring to Burts message as being very balanced.
>Tony
>
>

he had it right the first time. :-*

>Tony <> wrote:
>
>
>>Listen to this person. Very reasoned and balanced. His links are well worth a
>>visit.
>>Some compatible inks are good and some are bad as you would expect.
>>The remanufacturing industry is extremely large, no thinking person would blag
>>an entire industry that turns over several billion dollars per year.
>>Also, why would experienced and successful long established businesses use
>>anything but good quality raw materials.
>>Simply does not stack up. Any quality ink product will save money and you
>>should get excellent product and service. The trick is to find the good ones,
>>I
>>suggest you go for companies that have been around a while and are easy to
>>deal
>>with. By the way HP officially supports remanufacturers to some extent, read
>>their news releases.
>>Good Luck.
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>measekite <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Most of the inks promoted by third party hawkers have a higher
>>>propensity to clog your print head. Formulabs ink sold in bulk and
>>>manufactured by Sensient in Southern California may be OK.
>>>88inkjets.com sells it in prefilled cartridges. I just found another
>>>place that I am in touch with in Kansas who also sells Formulabs
>>>prefilled cartridges. I am checking on them.
>>>
>>>One thing that you should realize is that the very vast majority of
>>>claims by sellers of 3rd party ink are NOT selling you a known brand but
>>>rather a label that they make up and put on their product. The product
>>>contents of this label may not be consistent like Canon inks from lot to
>>>lot and batch to batch regardless of what they say. In the early days
>>>of computing there was the IBMPC and then a rash of clones that claimed
>>>compatibility. Many found out the hard way that there is compatibility
>>>and compatibility.
>>>
>>>If you print a great deal I would say your printer is cheap enough to
>>>take the risk. If you use not more than 3 sets of inks a year I would
>>>stick with Canon.
>>>
>>>Jane wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer. Does
>>>>a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>>>>
>>>>I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them are
>>>>advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
>>>>quite inexpensive.
>>>>
>>>>Are these OK to use?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
April 20, 2005 12:08:46 AM

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You won't go wrong using New Compatibles Inkjets in your Canon printer from
any source. In fact I have local customers tell me they like my compatible
better than OEM. I have been in the Toner and Inkjet Business since 1991. I
have never had a complaint about the Canon Compatibles I've sold in my local
store or on eBay. The only negative feedback I've gotten is a young lady
from Canada who ordered one Epson $2.30 and my guy charged her $7.00 S&H
because that was the price we posted on eBay. He just didn't use his head. I
don't blame her for being upset. A fair price for your canon Inkjets is
$3.00 each and $3.95 S&H for any quantity. Happy printing. Pete
"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:p N99e.3228$J12.704@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
> Taliesyn wrote:
>
> > Jane wrote:
> >
> >> I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer. Does
> >> a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
> >>
> >> I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them are
> >> advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
> >> quite inexpensive.
> >>
> >> Are these OK to use?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >
> > Yup, read Burt's informative post. Alotofthings is probably the
> > highest rated dealer you'll find for quality inks. They have a
> > positive feedback rating of over 99.9% from over 7,200 satisfied
> > users. Use the
> > cartridges Burt suggested (Arrow) and you shouldn't go wrong.
>
>
> If you want to deal with a mickey mouse organization that tells you not
> to call them and if you are a Canadian they do not want your business.
> That place is a kindergarten not a professional organization. While I
> found 88inkjets.com as one source I did stumble on another source in
> Kansas that I am checking out. On the surface they appear to have the
> best prices on Formulabs prefilled ink carts.
>
> That said, if you do not print (less than 3 sets a year) it is not worth
> taking any chance. Also, if the carts are not labeled "Contains
> Formulabs Ink" or their website (whoever the source) does not say
> "Contains Formulabs Ink" then you never know from batch to batch or time
> to time or purchase to purchase what is in the carts. This lack of
> committment by any reseller is their way of hiding from you what you
> should know.
>
> >
> > I use compatibles and bulk ink in my Canon iP5000, though not from
> > Alotofthings as they won't export internationally. But they would be
> > my first choice for inks as they are most trusted name. My iP5000 has
> > the smallest nozzles of all printers made. So if there was any danger of
> > my compatibles or bulk ink clogging the printhead then I have the
> > perfect printer to test them with. I have nothing to report other than
> > I'm getting perfect nozzle checks and pictures. Whereas Measekite
> > is terrified of trying compatibles,
>
>
> There is some truth to that; however, if I went through 8 to 10 full
> sets of carts a year I probably would take the risk. That is why I am
> following information from this site in Kansas. I do expect to speak to
> them in the next couple of weeks.
>
> > I have zero fear because I've
> > long been successfully using compatibles and or bulk ink for use in HP,
> > Canon, Epson and Lexmark printers. I've done them all.
> >
> > -Taliesyn
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 12:36:42 AM

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Pete wrote:

>You won't go wrong using New Compatibles Inkjets in your Canon printer from
>any source. In fact I have local customers tell me they like my compatible
>better than OEM.
>

Great, the hawkers are coming out of the woodwork. Spam d Spam Dam =-O

>I have been in the Toner and Inkjet Business since 1991. I
>have never had a complaint about the Canon Compatibles I've sold in my local
>store or on eBay. The only negative feedback I've gotten is a young lady
>from Canada who ordered one Epson $2.30 and my guy charged her $7.00 S&H
>because that was the price we posted on eBay. He just didn't use his head. I
>don't blame her for being upset. A fair price for your canon Inkjets is
>$3.00 each and $3.95 S&H for any quantity. Happy printing. Pete
>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:p N99e.3228$J12.704@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>Taliesyn wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Jane wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer. Does
>>>>a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>>>>
>>>>I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them are
>>>>advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
>>>>quite inexpensive.
>>>>
>>>>Are these OK to use?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Yup, read Burt's informative post. Alotofthings is probably the
>>>highest rated dealer you'll find for quality inks. They have a
>>>positive feedback rating of over 99.9% from over 7,200 satisfied
>>>users. Use the
>>>cartridges Burt suggested (Arrow) and you shouldn't go wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>If you want to deal with a mickey mouse organization that tells you not
>>to call them and if you are a Canadian they do not want your business.
>>That place is a kindergarten not a professional organization. While I
>>found 88inkjets.com as one source I did stumble on another source in
>>Kansas that I am checking out. On the surface they appear to have the
>>best prices on Formulabs prefilled ink carts.
>>
>>That said, if you do not print (less than 3 sets a year) it is not worth
>>taking any chance. Also, if the carts are not labeled "Contains
>>Formulabs Ink" or their website (whoever the source) does not say
>>"Contains Formulabs Ink" then you never know from batch to batch or time
>>to time or purchase to purchase what is in the carts. This lack of
>>committment by any reseller is their way of hiding from you what you
>>should know.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I use compatibles and bulk ink in my Canon iP5000, though not from
>>>Alotofthings as they won't export internationally. But they would be
>>>my first choice for inks as they are most trusted name. My iP5000 has
>>>the smallest nozzles of all printers made. So if there was any danger of
>>>my compatibles or bulk ink clogging the printhead then I have the
>>>perfect printer to test them with. I have nothing to report other than
>>>I'm getting perfect nozzle checks and pictures. Whereas Measekite
>>>is terrified of trying compatibles,
>>>
>>>
>>There is some truth to that; however, if I went through 8 to 10 full
>>sets of carts a year I probably would take the risk. That is why I am
>>following information from this site in Kansas. I do expect to speak to
>>them in the next couple of weeks.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I have zero fear because I've
>>>long been successfully using compatibles and or bulk ink for use in HP,
>>>Canon, Epson and Lexmark printers. I've done them all.
>>>
>>>-Taliesyn
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
April 20, 2005 12:36:43 AM

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measekite wrote:


> Great, the hawkers are coming out of the woodwork. Spam d Spam Dam =-O

Well you're here spamming too by hawking Canon all the time.
What's the difference?
Frank
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 7:41:07 AM

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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Burt wrote:
>
>>Well, measekite, if you were a more pleasant soul and asked them nicely
>>you would have learned what I did - See my first post in this thread and
>>you will find Formulab vendors. I guess that when you told them how to
>>run their businesses they decided not to share their info with you.
>>
>
> Any organization that will not accept helpful criticism is a terrible
> place to do business with. Imagine how they will be when you have trouble
> with them. Alotofcrap does tell you up front not to call them and do not
> try to place an order. They are too busy to provide customer service.
> I am still getting information on another source in Kansas for Formulabs
> at the best prices. When I find out all of the information I will post
> it.
>

Note to anyone reading the following: I apologize for the excessive length
of this posting, but I feel it was necessary to counter some of the
continuing misinformation being put forth by Measekite.

Measekite,
There is a vast difference between helpful suggestions (criticism???) and
the manner in which you set yourself up as the supreme ultimate authority on
aftermarket vendors when in fact you have NEVER ordered from them or used
any of their products. You continually disparage Alotofthings, MIS and Weink
for imaginary offenses against your self proclaimed standards of excellence.
You claim that Alotofthings will not accept phone orders, but how do you
really know? Have you actually tried. The fact is that they do encourage
online orders because it reduces the chance of human error, is faster and is
less costly. How's that any different than most other vendors on the
internet? But guess what!!!! They will and have taken orders by phone. They
certainly did from me, but then again I don't try and tell them how to run
their business. FWIW, Joe Nigro the owner of Alotofthings is a very busy
person, but is more than willing to spend time talking on the phone with his
customers. I've spoken with him at length on several occasions and he is a
very friendly (and informative) person. As to customer service and customer
satisfaction his ratings are as close to 100% as possible. Look at his eBay
score. From personal experience, I can guarantee that they provide fast and
outstanding customer service. I am going to provide two examples of why I
praise Alotofthings as a vendor of choice.

The first happened on my initial order from them. The order of bulk ink came
in very quickly, but there was a problem of leakage caused by defective
seals on a couple of the bottles. Only a very small amount of ink actually
escaped from the bottles, but it covered everything in the box and because
the labels were obliterated identification of the photo magenta and photo
cyan from the regular magenta and cyan was difficult. I took some digital
photos of the shipping container and contents and emailed them to
Alotofthings. Within a few minutes they had called me back (via telephone)
and explained how to tell the difference between photo and regular inks.
That was great customer service, but that's not all. They also insisted on
replacing at their expense the entire order of ink which was 6 16oz bottles.
Because only a slight (very slight) amount of ink was lost, I felt there was
no need for that and told them it wouldn't be necessary. Nevertheless the
offer was extended (without any request on my part) and I considered that to
be an outstanding example of superior customer service.

The second occurrence when they rose to the occasion was last October when I
placed an order for bulk ink and a few sets of Arrow cartridges from their
eBay store. However, there was a problem with how PayPal computed the
charges. The result was multiple charges for the same items and PayPal
refused to correct the problem claiming the vendor would have to do so. Note
that this was strictly a PayPal problem, but I then phoned Alotofthings
hoping that it wouldn't be a problem. It wasn't. Obviously, they have
caller-id because instead of introducing themselves as Alotofthings, Joe
answered with a laugh and said "They really screwed that one up didn't
they?" He then explained that they had already seen the order and determined
the erroneous charges from PayPal. He also said that he had tried to call me
and got a busy signal for nearly 30 minutes (that was while I was arguing
with PayPal customer service). To make a long story very short, they had
already corrected the billing snafu and had issued immediate credit to my
account. You may think they are unprofessional, but that's not been my
experience in dealing with them.

I know that you claim Alotofthings is an unprofessional organization because
you don't like the perceived inadequacies of their web site, but how does
your imaginary perception stack up against my real world experiences. I
challenge you to find anyone, other than you, who has posted any negative
comments about them. While you may not care for their website, I find it
informative and well designed. They did drop the shopping cart, but it has
since been reinstalled. Compared to other ink vendors, I think it is one of
the best.

You also disparage Weink and MIS. These two vendors have excellent
reputations. John Mills of Weink has been a source of continuing support and
information to users of this newsgroup. I haven't placed any orders with
Weink, but I have always respected his knowledge and ability and he has
earned the respect of the long time participants of this forum. Prior to
becoming a confirmed Alotofthings customer, I did business with MIS (a.k.a.
inksupply.com). They are also a fine internet vendor and have an excellent
reputation. I had no complaints with them or their products and would have
continued using them except for the initial order of ink from Alotofthings
which turned me into a confirmed customer of theirs.

You are now touting the fact that you are investigating a cartridge seller
in Kansas, although you'll probably never place an order with them. Let me
save you the time. You are most likely referring to Tyler Martin Co.
www.tylermartin.com . They sell Rainbow and USA brand ink cartridges. I've
placed orders with them on several occasions and have received prompt (very
prompt) service. They have excellent prices. I've used both the Rainbow and
USA cartridges in my various Canon printers and have not had ANY problems,
including the dreaded ink clogs you continually wail about. When those
cartridges (and the Arrow cartridges from Alotofthings) run low, they are
refilled with bulk Formulabs ink.

Feel free to disagree, as I'm sure you will. But remember this one thing. By
your own admission you have never tried any third party inks either as a
bulk refill or cartridge and have not been a customer of any of the vendors
you continually disparage. On the other hand, I have extensive experience
refilling and being a customer of some of the vendors you habitually
disparage. I've created a short pdf file that describes how easy it is to
refill Canon cartridges and I receive requests for this file nearly every
day. I'd even send you a copy if you want one.
--
Ron Cohen
April 20, 2005 9:25:45 AM

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"Ron Cohen" <drc023@N^O+S~P^A^M.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Zx99e.3223$J12.2632@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
(snip)
They will and have taken orders by phone. They
> certainly did from me, but then again I don't try and tell them how to run
> their business. FWIW, Joe Nigro the owner of Alotofthings is a very busy
> person, but is more than willing to spend time talking on the phone with
> his customers. I've spoken with him at length on several occasions and he
> is a very friendly (and informative) person. As to customer service and
> customer satisfaction his ratings are as close to 100% as possible. Look
> at his eBay score. From personal experience, I can guarantee that they
> provide fast and outstanding customer service. I am going to provide two
> examples of why I praise Alotofthings as a vendor of choice.

(snip)

My own personal experience with Alotofthings mirrors Ron's. When I did my
first order for prefilled Arrow carts I first called them, got Joe on the
phone immediately, and verified that the carts were filled with Formulabs
ink. I called today to get some info on the carts I had purchased. I spoke
to the young woman who answered the phone as Joe was out. She verified that
their bulk inks and Arrow carts are Formulabs. We had a leisurely
conversation about third party inks in general and she was most pleasant and
informative. I asked about a specific problem I had heard about and she
told me that they have had no problems reported on the last 4,000 BCI-6
carts they had sold. She acknowledged that they have some more work to do
on the web site. IMHO, that hasn't seemed to slow down their brisk
business. I guess that the vast majority of people who have purchased from
them have been sufficiently satisfied with their pleasant response, fast
delivery, and good products to overlook the work-in-progress web site and
need to buy (at a much cheaper price) on their ebay store.
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 9:33:00 AM

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Frank wrote:

> measekite wrote:
>
>
>> Great, the hawkers are coming out of the woodwork. Spam d Spam Dam =-O
>
>
> Well you're here spamming too by hawking Canon all the time.
> What's the difference?
> Frank


I have no interestin Canon. Why are U a Shmuck?
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 9:41:41 AM

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measekite <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>Frank wrote:
>
>> measekite wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Great, the hawkers are coming out of the woodwork. Spam d Spam Dam =-O
>>
>>
>> Well you're here spamming too by hawking Canon all the time.
>> What's the difference?
>> Frank
>
>
>I have no interestin Canon. Why are U a Shmuck?

Anybody got the name of a good laxative? We need to lose this SH**.
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 10:09:32 AM

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Burt wrote:

>"Ron Cohen" <drc023@N^O+S~P^A^M.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:nbk9e.520$%L1.319@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:Zx99e.3223$J12.2632@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>
>(snip)
>They will and have taken orders by phone. They
>
>
>>certainly did from me, but then again I don't try and tell them how to run
>>their business. FWIW, Joe Nigro the owner of Alotofthings is a very busy
>>person, but is more than willing to spend time talking on the phone with
>>his customers. I've spoken with him at length on several occasions and he
>>is a very friendly (and informative) person. As to customer service and
>>customer satisfaction his ratings are as close to 100% as possible. Look
>>at his eBay score. From personal experience, I can guarantee that they
>>provide fast and outstanding customer service. I am going to provide two
>>examples of why I praise Alotofthings as a vendor of choice.
>>
>>
>
>(snip)
>
>My own personal experience with Alotofthings mirrors Ron's. When I did my
>first order for prefilled Arrow carts I first called them, got Joe on the
>phone immediately, and verified that the carts were filled with Formulabs
>ink. I called today to get some info on the carts I had purchased. I spoke
>to the young woman who answered the phone as Joe was out. She verified that
>their bulk inks and Arrow carts are Formulabs. We had a leisurely
>conversation about third party inks in general and she was most pleasant and
>informative. I asked about a specific problem I had heard about and she
>told me that they have had no problems reported on the last 4,000 BCI-6
>carts they had sold. She acknowledged that they have some more work to do
>on the web site. IMHO, that hasn't seemed to slow down their brisk
>business. I guess that the vast majority of people who have purchased from
>them have been sufficiently satisfied with their pleasant response, fast
>delivery, and good products to overlook the work
>
With No Progress

>-in-progress web site and
>need to buy (at a much cheaper price) on their
>
No Ebay

>ebay store.
>
>
>
>
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 10:10:42 AM

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Earnest wrote:

>measekite <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>measekite wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Great, the hawkers are coming out of the woodwork. Spam d Spam Dam =-O
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Well you're here spamming too by hawking Canon all the time.
>>>What's the difference?
>>>Frank
>>>
>>>
>>I have no interestin Canon. Why are U a Shmuck?
>>
>>
>
>Anybody got the name of a good laxative? We need to lose this SH**.
>
>

The name of a good laxative is FRANK. He is a suppository.
April 20, 2005 10:10:43 AM

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measekite wrote:

>
>
> Earnest wrote:
>
>> measekite <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> measekite wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Great, the hawkers are coming out of the woodwork. Spam d Spam Dam
>>>>> =-O
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well you're here spamming too by hawking Canon all the time.
>>>> What's the difference?
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have no interestin Canon. Why are U a Shmuck?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Anybody got the name of a good laxative? We need to lose this SH**.
>>
>>
>
> The name of a good laxative is FRANK. He is a suppository.

I've been shitting only measekite recently. Nasty stuff it is.
Frank
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 10:13:02 AM

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Taliesyn wrote:
> Jane wrote:
>
> > I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer.
Does
> > a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
> >
> > I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them
are
> > advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They
are
> > quite inexpensive.
> >
> > Are these OK to use?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>
> Yup, read Burt's informative post. Alotofthings is probably the
> highest rated dealer you'll find for quality inks. They have a
positive
> feedback rating of over 99.9% from over 7,200 satisfied users. Use
the
> cartridges Burt suggested (Arrow) and you shouldn't go wrong.

Where did you find their feedback record? They have what I want and
the price is very good.

Thanks for the helpful post.

Jane

>
> I use compatibles and bulk ink in my Canon iP5000, though not from
> Alotofthings as they won't export internationally. But they would be
> my first choice for inks as they are most trusted name. My iP5000 has
> the smallest nozzles of all printers made. So if there was any danger
of
> my compatibles or bulk ink clogging the printhead then I have the
> perfect printer to test them with. I have nothing to report other
than
> I'm getting perfect nozzle checks and pictures. Whereas Measekite
> is terrified of trying compatibles, I have zero fear because I've
> long been successfully using compatibles and or bulk ink for use in
HP,
> Canon, Epson and Lexmark printers. I've done them all.
>
> -Taliesyn
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 11:24:14 AM

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Who makes the inks isn't the issue. The ink is either good or it isn't.

In general, find a reputable ink vendor (not necessarily a manufacturer)
and you will probably do fine. These vendors are interested in repeat
sales, and any that has been around for years likely is quite careful
with the inks they sell. To be even safer, ask around for people who
regularly buy 3rd party inks and can direct you to a reputable vendor.

measekite's advice tends to be based upon zealousness, but little
personal experience and no professional experience. He's an evangelist
for certain things, and he targets others without any or with minimal
knowledge base.

It's value tends to be tenuous.

Art

measekite wrote:

>
>
> Burt wrote:
>
>> This response is directed to Jane --- go to the links I mentioned, and
>> also search out the posts from the two people I mentioned on this NG
>> who can speak from their own experience about the products they have
>> used. Measekite is on a tear about the small ink vendors, but he has
>> not done business with any of them and can only give you his untested
>> opinion.
>> "Don't use third party inks" is his mantra. There are people who are
>> successfully using third party inks, and there are some who have used
>> inks that have not been satisfactory or have damaged their printers.
>> Read the info I directed you to and decide for yourself.
>>
>>
>
> That is good advice. There are 3 people who use aftermarket ink that
> continually post in this forum who claim to not have problems. Spend a
> couple of weeks reading about all of the others. You will find that
> over 90% use some kind of 3rd party ink that they purchase from the
> hawkers. I have even asked some of the hawkers who the mfg is. The
> standard answer is that they have to protect themselves but it is
> compatible. Then you read about the problems here.
>
>> "measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:ETY8e.489$zX7.455@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 11:30:30 AM

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Really Tony, that was a bad senior's moment... I would not consider
measekite's posting (below) as credible.

Burt's posting was reasonable and provides some good reading to make
one's own decision.

Art

Tony wrote:

> Oops I must have had a senior moment.
> I am referring to Burts message as being very balanced.
> Tony
>
> Tony <> wrote:
>
>>Listen to this person. Very reasoned and balanced. His links are well worth a
>>visit.
>>Some compatible inks are good and some are bad as you would expect.
>>The remanufacturing industry is extremely large, no thinking person would blag
>>an entire industry that turns over several billion dollars per year.
>>Also, why would experienced and successful long established businesses use
>>anything but good quality raw materials.
>>Simply does not stack up. Any quality ink product will save money and you
>>should get excellent product and service. The trick is to find the good ones,
>>I
>>suggest you go for companies that have been around a while and are easy to
>>deal
>>with. By the way HP officially supports remanufacturers to some extent, read
>>their news releases.
>>Good Luck.
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>measekite <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Most of the inks promoted by third party hawkers have a higher
>>>propensity to clog your print head. Formulabs ink sold in bulk and
>>>manufactured by Sensient in Southern California may be OK.
>>>88inkjets.com sells it in prefilled cartridges. I just found another
>>>place that I am in touch with in Kansas who also sells Formulabs
>>>prefilled cartridges. I am checking on them.
>>>
>>>One thing that you should realize is that the very vast majority of
>>>claims by sellers of 3rd party ink are NOT selling you a known brand but
>>>rather a label that they make up and put on their product. The product
>>>contents of this label may not be consistent like Canon inks from lot to
>>>lot and batch to batch regardless of what they say. In the early days
>>>of computing there was the IBMPC and then a rash of clones that claimed
>>>compatibility. Many found out the hard way that there is compatibility
>>>and compatibility.
>>>
>>>If you print a great deal I would say your printer is cheap enough to
>>>take the risk. If you use not more than 3 sets of inks a year I would
>>>stick with Canon.
>>>
>>>Jane wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer. Does
>>>>a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>>>>
>>>>I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them are
>>>>advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
>>>>quite inexpensive.
>>>>
>>>>Are these OK to use?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
April 20, 2005 12:08:22 PM

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You're absolutely right. I am humbled!
We are all humble seekers after truth.
Best wishes
Tony


Arthur Entlich <artistic@telus.net> wrote:
>Really Tony, that was a bad senior's moment... I would not consider
>measekite's posting (below) as credible.
>
>Burt's posting was reasonable and provides some good reading to make
>one's own decision.
>
>Art
>
>Tony wrote:
>
>> Oops I must have had a senior moment.
>> I am referring to Burts message as being very balanced.
>> Tony
>>
>> Tony <> wrote:
>>
>>>Listen to this person. Very reasoned and balanced. His links are well worth
>>>a
>>>visit.
>>>Some compatible inks are good and some are bad as you would expect.
>>>The remanufacturing industry is extremely large, no thinking person would
>>>blag
>>>an entire industry that turns over several billion dollars per year.
>>>Also, why would experienced and successful long established businesses use
>>>anything but good quality raw materials.
>>>Simply does not stack up. Any quality ink product will save money and you
>>>should get excellent product and service. The trick is to find the good
>>>ones,
>>>I
>>>suggest you go for companies that have been around a while and are easy to
>>>deal
>>>with. By the way HP officially supports remanufacturers to some extent, read
>>>their news releases.
>>>Good Luck.
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>measekite <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Most of the inks promoted by third party hawkers have a higher
>>>>propensity to clog your print head. Formulabs ink sold in bulk and
>>>>manufactured by Sensient in Southern California may be OK.
>>>>88inkjets.com sells it in prefilled cartridges. I just found another
>>>>place that I am in touch with in Kansas who also sells Formulabs
>>>>prefilled cartridges. I am checking on them.
>>>>
>>>>One thing that you should realize is that the very vast majority of
>>>>claims by sellers of 3rd party ink are NOT selling you a known brand but
>>>>rather a label that they make up and put on their product. The product
>>>>contents of this label may not be consistent like Canon inks from lot to
>>>>lot and batch to batch regardless of what they say. In the early days
>>>>of computing there was the IBMPC and then a rash of clones that claimed
>>>>compatibility. Many found out the hard way that there is compatibility
>>>>and compatibility.
>>>>
>>>>If you print a great deal I would say your printer is cheap enough to
>>>>take the risk. If you use not more than 3 sets of inks a year I would
>>>>stick with Canon.
>>>>
>>>>Jane wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer. Does
>>>>>a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them are
>>>>>advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
>>>>>quite inexpensive.
>>>>>
>>>>>Are these OK to use?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 5:50:28 PM

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Jane wrote:

> Taliesyn wrote:
>
>>Jane wrote:
>>
>>>I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer.
>>>Does a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it. I've been looking
>>>for replacement color cartridges and most of them are advertised as
>>>either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are quite
inexpensive.
>>>
>>>Are these OK to use?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>
>>Yup, read Burt's informative post. Alotofthings is probably the
>>highest rated dealer you'll find for quality inks. They have a
>>positive feedback rating of over 99.9% from over 7,200 satisfied
>>users. Use the cartridges Burt suggested (Arrow) and you shouldn't
>>go wrong.
>
>
> Where did you find their feedback record? They have what I want and
> the price is very good.
>
> Thanks for the helpful post.
>
> Jane
>

From eBay, where they do most of their business. Here's the link to
Alotofthing's feedback page that you requested:

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&...*alotofthings

You'll note that there are over 8,500 satisfied users. Your risk of
clogging using Alotofthings ink is probably the same as with Canon's own
brand. There are cheaper inks. But stick with the recommended names.
These have proven to be good. It doesn't take a genius to figure out
that the money you're saving by using just 2 sets of compatible
cartridges will pay for your next printer.

For an admitted cheapskate, the poster Measekite strangely prefers to
buy Canon inks that cost 60% of the price of a new printer. I don't use
Canon inks. My estimated cost for ink is between 2% and 7% of a new
iP5000, depending on whether I refill them myself or use prefilled. By
using compatibles/refills I easily run two Canon printers (the other's
a relative of yours, the i860). And they can both be operated at the
same time, printing two different photos or what have you.

-Taliesyn
April 20, 2005 5:50:29 PM

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Taliesyn wrote:
> Jane wrote:
>
>> Taliesyn wrote:
>>
>>> Jane wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer.
>>>> Does a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it. I've been looking
>
> >>>for replacement color cartridges and most of them are advertised as
> >>>either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are quite
> inexpensive.
>
>>>>
>>>> Are these OK to use?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yup, read Burt's informative post. Alotofthings is probably the
>>> highest rated dealer you'll find for quality inks. They have a
>>> positive feedback rating of over 99.9% from over 7,200 satisfied
>
> >>users. Use the cartridges Burt suggested (Arrow) and you shouldn't
> >>go wrong.
>
>>
>>
>> Where did you find their feedback record? They have what I want and
>> the price is very good.
>>
>> Thanks for the helpful post.
>>
>> Jane
>>
>
> From eBay, where they do most of their business. Here's the link to
> Alotofthing's feedback page that you requested:
>
> http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&...*alotofthings
>
>
> You'll note that there are over 8,500 satisfied users. Your risk of
> clogging using Alotofthings ink is probably the same as with Canon's own
> brand. There are cheaper inks. But stick with the recommended names.
> These have proven to be good. It doesn't take a genius to figure out
> that the money you're saving by using just 2 sets of compatible
> cartridges will pay for your next printer.
>
> For an admitted cheapskate, the poster Measekite strangely prefers to
> buy Canon inks that cost 60% of the price of a new printer. I don't use
> Canon inks. My estimated cost for ink is between 2% and 7% of a new
> iP5000, depending on whether I refill them myself or use prefilled. By
> using compatibles/refills I easily run two Canon printers (the other's
> a relative of yours, the i860). And they can both be operated at the
> same time, printing two different photos or what have you.
>
> -Taliesyn
I've used two different 3rd party carts in my Canon i9900 and have never
had any problems. I also have used 3rd carts in my Epson's and my HP's
for over ten years...no problems.
Don't pay any attention to that immature idiot poster measekite. He has
no real world experience and has only owned 1 or 2 printers in his short
undeveloped life. He thinks that 3rd ink suppliers want to sell you one
order of bad ink and then move on. He's obviously new to this game and
it shows.
Frank
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 6:13:24 PM

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measekite wrote:
> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>
> > Who makes the inks isn't the issue. The ink is either good or it
isn't.
>
>
> That statement is not really true. When you know who manufacturers
ink
> and that ink is sold under the mfg name through a variety of channels

> then it is not as difficult to ascertain the quality and consistency
of
> the product.

Yes, knowing the maker only makes evaluation of many vendors
possibly easier, but looking at the subject line, it really
isn't the issue.

I use cheap 3rd party ink for our Canon printer that's used for
things where we don't care how accurate the colors are nor how
long the prints will last. Our short attention span printer.

In our i9900 that's really only used for photographs where I want
known longevity of the prints (use only Canon's Photo Pro paper)
and accurate colors (using associated ICC files w/photoshop) I use
Canon's own ink exclusively.

The short attention span printer uses by far more ink.

Mike

P.S. -Some inks tried for the short attention span printer, even though
from seemingly quasi- "name" brands, were absolute trash. One
black
ink spattered ink like crazy (and wasn't really *BLACK*). Went a
*little* less cheap and stuff used now works fine (but for how
long
before fading I haven't a clue, nor do print colors look like it
does
on screen like it does for the other printer).
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 6:35:04 PM

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Frank wrote:

> measekite wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Earnest wrote:
>>
>>> measekite <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> measekite wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Great, the hawkers are coming out of the woodwork. Spam d Spam
>>>>>> Dam =-O
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well you're here spamming too by hawking Canon all the time.
>>>>> What's the difference?
>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have no interestin Canon. Why are U a Shmuck?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anybody got the name of a good laxative? We need to lose this SH**.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The name of a good laxative is FRANK. He is a suppository.
>
>
> I've been shitting only measekite recently. Nasty stuff it is.
> Frank


I do not think you have been Franking.
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 6:51:14 PM

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Arthur Entlich wrote:

> Who makes the inks isn't the issue. The ink is either good or it isn't.


That statement is not really true. When you know who manufacturers ink
and that ink is sold under the mfg name through a variety of channels
then it is not as difficult to ascertain the quality and consistency of
the product. And it there have been few or no complaints you have a
competitive envrionment to purchase the same thing at better prices.

>
> In general, find a reputable ink vendor (not necessarily a
> manufacturer) and you will probably do fine. These vendors are
> interested in repeat sales, and any that has been around for years
> likely is quite careful with the inks they sell. To be even safer,
> ask around for people who regularly buy 3rd party inks and can direct
> you to a reputable vendor.
>
> measekite's advice tends to be based upon zealousness, but little
> personal experience and no professional experience. He's an
> evangelist for certain things, and he targets others without any or
> with minimal knowledge base.
>
> It's value tends to be tenuous.
>
> Art
>
> measekite wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Burt wrote:
>>
>>> This response is directed to Jane --- go to the links I mentioned,
>>> and also search out the posts from the two people I mentioned on
>>> this NG who can speak from their own experience about the products
>>> they have used. Measekite is on a tear about the small ink vendors,
>>> but he has not done business with any of them and can only give you
>>> his untested opinion.
>>> "Don't use third party inks" is his mantra. There are people who
>>> are successfully using third party inks, and there are some who have
>>> used inks that have not been satisfactory or have damaged their
>>> printers. Read the info I directed you to and decide for yourself.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That is good advice. There are 3 people who use aftermarket ink that
>> continually post in this forum who claim to not have problems. Spend
>> a couple of weeks reading about all of the others. You will find
>> that over 90% use some kind of 3rd party ink that they purchase from
>> the hawkers. I have even asked some of the hawkers who the mfg is.
>> The standard answer is that they have to protect themselves but it is
>> compatible. Then you read about the problems here.
>>
>>> "measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ETY8e.489$zX7.455@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>>
April 20, 2005 6:51:15 PM

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measekite wrote:
>
>
> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>
>> Who makes the inks isn't the issue. The ink is either good or it isn't.
>
>
>
> That statement is not really true.

You still don't get it so forget it.
Frank
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 7:23:13 PM

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alotofthings is really the unprofessional alotofcrap. Judge them by
their website (that is their office) and the way they do business in
writing. Anyway, there are other sources for Formulabs ink by
Sensinet. It seems like this manufacturer of after market ink is one of
the very few real formulators that can be identified and appears to have
had acceptable results by some people in this NG.

But if you are not a heavy printer why take any chance clogging your
print head? What are you really going to save?

I too look at many of the reseller ratings that I see on pricegrabber
and similar sites. But you do not really know who entered the ratings
or how many times a reseller posted multiple ratings from and about himself.

I just prefer not to do business with Mickey Mouse organizations; except
Disney ;-)

Jane wrote:

>Taliesyn wrote:
>
>
>>Jane wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer.
>>>
>>>
>Does
>
>
>>>a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>>>
>>>I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them
>>>
>>>
>are
>
>
>>>advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They
>>>
>>>
>are
>
>
>>>quite inexpensive.
>>>
>>>Are these OK to use?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Yup, read Burt's informative post. Alotofthings is probably the
>>highest rated dealer you'll find for quality inks. They have a
>>
>>
>positive
>
>
>>feedback rating of over 99.9% from over 7,200 satisfied users. Use
>>
>>
>the
>
>
>>cartridges Burt suggested (Arrow) and you shouldn't go wrong.
>>
>>
>
>Where did you find their feedback record? They have what I want and
>the price is very good.
>
>Thanks for the helpful post.
>
>Jane
>
>
>
>>I use compatibles and bulk ink in my Canon iP5000, though not from
>>Alotofthings as they won't export internationally. But they would be
>>my first choice for inks as they are most trusted name. My iP5000 has
>>the smallest nozzles of all printers made. So if there was any danger
>>
>>
>of
>
>
>>my compatibles or bulk ink clogging the printhead then I have the
>>perfect printer to test them with. I have nothing to report other
>>
>>
>than
>
>
>>I'm getting perfect nozzle checks and pictures. Whereas Measekite
>>is terrified of trying compatibles, I have zero fear because I've
>>long been successfully using compatibles and or bulk ink for use in
>>
>>
>HP,
>
>
>>Canon, Epson and Lexmark printers. I've done them all.
>>
>>-Taliesyn
>>
>>
>
>
>
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 9:33:55 PM

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Taliesyn wrote:
> Jane wrote:
>
> > Taliesyn wrote:
> >
> >>Jane wrote:
> >>
> >>>I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer.
> >>>Does a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it. I've been
looking
> >>>for replacement color cartridges and most of them are advertised
as
> >>>either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are quite
> inexpensive.
> >>>
> >>>Are these OK to use?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks
> >>>
> >>
> >>Yup, read Burt's informative post. Alotofthings is probably the
> >>highest rated dealer you'll find for quality inks. They have a
> >>positive feedback rating of over 99.9% from over 7,200 satisfied
> >>users. Use the cartridges Burt suggested (Arrow) and you shouldn't
> >>go wrong.
> >
> >
> > Where did you find their feedback record? They have what I want
and
> > the price is very good.
> >
> > Thanks for the helpful post.
> >
> > Jane
> >
>
> From eBay, where they do most of their business. Here's the link to
> Alotofthing's feedback page that you requested:
>
>
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&...*alotofthings
>
> You'll note that there are over 8,500 satisfied users. Your risk of
> clogging using Alotofthings ink is probably the same as with Canon's
own
> brand. There are cheaper inks. But stick with the recommended names.
> These have proven to be good. It doesn't take a genius to figure out
> that the money you're saving by using just 2 sets of compatible
> cartridges will pay for your next printer.
>
> For an admitted cheapskate, the poster Measekite strangely prefers to

> buy Canon inks that cost 60% of the price of a new printer. I don't
use
> Canon inks. My estimated cost for ink is between 2% and 7% of a new
> iP5000, depending on whether I refill them myself or use prefilled.
By
> using compatibles/refills I easily run two Canon printers (the
other's
> a relative of yours, the i860). And they can both be operated at the
> same time, printing two different photos or what have you.
>
> -Taliesyn

Thank you. Lots of happy customers. Think I'll try them.

Thanks again.
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 9:36:37 PM

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Thanks Frank. I've looked at the feedback and they look OK to me. If
this was a really expensive printer I might be apprehensive but for the
I560, what the heck.

As for measekite - he clearly has too much time on his hands.

Anyway - thanks again. I've already ordered them.
Anonymous
April 21, 2005 4:15:38 AM

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Anoni Moose wrote:

>measekite wrote:
>
>
>>Arthur Entlich wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Who makes the inks isn't the issue. The ink is either good or it
>>>
>>>
>isn't.
>
>
>>
>>

The whole issue is who makes the ink. It is relatively easy to grade
and follow a standard. If IMC was a manufacturer/formulator of ink and
was sold under the IMC name to all of the chanels that sell ink, it
would be relatively easy to track if people are having problems with the
ink and who has the best price. And you would not be married to one
choice of supplier since you could get the same thing from a host of
different places. This will help you identify if something is good or
not good.

>>That statement is not really true. When you know who manufacturers
>>
>>
>ink
>
>
>>and that ink is sold under the mfg name through a variety of channels
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>then it is not as difficult to ascertain the quality and consistency
>>
>>
>of
>
>
>>the product.
>>
>>
>
>Yes, knowing the maker only makes evaluation of many vendors
>possibly easier, but looking at the subject line, it really
>isn't the issue.
>
>I use cheap 3rd party ink for our Canon printer that's used for
>things where we don't care how accurate the colors are nor how
>long the prints will last. Our short attention span printer.
>
>In our i9900 that's really only used for photographs where I want
>known longevity of the prints (use only Canon's Photo Pro paper)
>and accurate colors (using associated ICC files w/photoshop) I use
>Canon's own ink exclusively.
>
>The short attention span printer uses by far more ink.
>
>Mike
>
>P.S. -Some inks tried for the short attention span printer, even though
> from seemingly quasi- "name" brands, were absolute trash. One
>black
> ink spattered ink like crazy (and wasn't really *BLACK*). Went a
> *little* less cheap and stuff used now works fine (but for how
>long
> before fading I haven't a clue, nor do print colors look like it
>does
> on screen like it does for the other printer).
>
>
>
April 21, 2005 4:15:39 AM

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measekite wrote:
>
>
> Anoni Moose wrote:
>
>> measekite wrote:

>
>
> The whole issue is who makes the ink. It is relatively easy to grade
> and follow a standard. If IMC was a manufacturer/formulator of ink and
> was sold under the IMC name to all of the chanels that sell ink, it
> would be relatively easy to track if people are having problems with the
> ink and who has the best price. And you would not be married to one
> choice of supplier since you could get the same thing from a host of
> different places. This will help you identify if something is good or
> not good.
>
You are either an idiot or a misinformed moron.
Probably both.
Frank
Anonymous
April 29, 2005 9:53:37 AM

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Just an update. I decided to order from lotsofthings.com. A few days
after placing the order I emailed them to find out what the status was.
They responded that there had been some error and my order hadn't been
processed on time. They discounted each ink cartridge that I ordered
by $1 and gave me free shipping. They also apologized.

I received the items in just a few days via Priority Mail. The
cartridges are perfect. I'm very happy and think their customer
service is outstanding.


Jane wrote:
> I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer.
Does
> a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>
> I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them
are
> advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
> quite inexpensive.
>
> Are these OK to use?
>
> Thanks
Anonymous
April 29, 2005 12:17:30 PM

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"Jane" <googlemail2003@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1114779217.308843.215330
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

> Just an update. I decided to order from lotsofthings.com. A few days
> after placing the order I emailed them to find out what the status
was.
> They responded that there had been some error and my order hadn't
been
> processed on time. They discounted each ink cartridge that I ordered
> by $1 and gave me free shipping. They also apologized.
>
> I received the items in just a few days via Priority Mail. The
> cartridges are perfect. I'm very happy and think their customer
> service is outstanding.
>
>

Thanks for the update, Jane. Another crushing blow to Measedyke.


> Jane wrote:
>> I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer.
> Does
>> a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>>
>> I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them
> are
>> advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
>> quite inexpensive.
>>
>> Are these OK to use?
>>
>> Thanks
>
>
Anonymous
April 29, 2005 7:23:48 PM

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If she want to bend over for alotofcrap that is her business. The
formulabs ink they sell may be OK. If she lives in California then she
is more stupid for she has to pay sales tax. There are other out of
states where that can be avoided.

Brian Potter wrote:

>"Jane" <googlemail2003@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1114779217.308843.215330
>@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>>Just an update. I decided to order from lotsofthings.com. A few days
>>after placing the order I emailed them to find out what the status
>>
>>
>was.
>
>
>> They responded that there had been some error and my order hadn't
>>
>>
>been
>
>
>>processed on time. They discounted each ink cartridge that I ordered
>>by $1 and gave me free shipping. They also apologized.
>>
>>I received the items in just a few days via Priority Mail. The
>>cartridges are perfect. I'm very happy and think their customer
>>service is outstanding.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Thanks for the update, Jane. Another crushing blow to Measedyke.
>
>
>
>
>>Jane wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I have a Canon i560. It's a cheap but very nice little printer.
>>>
>>>
>>Does
>>
>>
>>>a really nice job and I don't want to ruin it.
>>>
>>>I've been looking for replacement color cartridges and most of them
>>>
>>>
>>are
>>
>>
>>>advertised as either "compatible" or "compatible refills". They are
>>>quite inexpensive.
>>>
>>>Are these OK to use?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Anonymous
April 29, 2005 9:05:10 PM

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measekite <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in news:8ksce.10825$J12.3804
@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:

> If she lives in California then she is more stupid for she has to pay
sales tax. There are other out of states where that can be avoided.


You're stupid enough to pay nearly the price of the printer every time
you buy OEM cartridges and you call Jane stupid for possibly paying $1.50,
or whatever, in taxes, after saving bundles of money by using compatibles.
You really do need a psychiatrist.
Anonymous
April 30, 2005 3:46:16 AM

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Brian Potter wrote:

>measekite <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in news:8ksce.10825$J12.3804
>@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
>
>
>
>>If she lives in California then she is more stupid for she has to pay
>>
>>
>sales tax. There are other out of states where that can be avoided.
>
>
>You're stupid enough to pay nearly the price of the printer every time
>you buy OEM cartridges and you call Jane stupid for possibly paying $1.50,
>or whatever, in taxes, after saving bundles of money by using compatibles.
>You really do need a psychiatrist.
>
>

I am getting Canon Carts. She is not.
April 30, 2005 1:22:27 PM

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On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:24:34 -0700, Frank <fb@nospam.com> wrote:

<140 lines of garbage quoted from previous posts>

>I don't
<more garbage>

moron
!