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Will X2 939 3800+ be faster than CONROE 1.86 GHZ

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July 3, 2006 1:59:55 PM

Hello,

I want to know if 939 X2 3800+ be faster than CONROE 1.86 GHz.

I am considering it after the price drop.

Rgds,
July 3, 2006 2:19:52 PM

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Hello,

I want to know if 939 X2 3800+ be faster than CONROE 1.86 GHz.

I am considering it after the price drop.

Rgds,
No.
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July 3, 2006 2:33:47 PM

No, both s939 and sAM2 X2-3800+ are slower for everything than E6300 1.86GHz Core 2 Duo.
July 3, 2006 2:34:38 PM

Fortunately for the Intel fanboys No. But don't let that stop you because there are plenty of Intel chips that it is faster than.
July 3, 2006 2:36:46 PM

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Fortunately for the Intel fanboys No.

Fortunately, does not make any diference for the non-fanboys. And fortunately it makes PAIN IN THE A$$ for the AMD fanboys like you.

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But don't let that stop you because there are plenty of Intel chips that it is faster than.

and more expencive than.
July 3, 2006 2:41:36 PM

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Fortunately for the Intel fanboys No.

Fortunately, does not make any diference for the non-fanboys. And fortunately it makes PAIN IN THE A$$ for the AMD fanboys like you.

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But don't let that stop you because there are plenty of Intel chips that it is faster than.

and more expencive than.


Just because you live in a cave outside Bitola, I'll forgive your misspelling of EXPENSIVE.


He should still go for a 3800+ or a 4200+. It will be enough for games though not for bragging rights.
July 3, 2006 2:50:02 PM

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He should still go for a 3800+ or a 4200+. It will be enough for games though not for bragging rights.
Gee, i missed were he said it was for games. :roll:
July 3, 2006 2:58:07 PM

Bragging rights is when youve bought something very exclusive and very expensive not when youve bought something inferior for more/same money.
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July 3, 2006 3:16:22 PM

Is that the best you can come up with, making fun of someone who speaks English by far better than you or I speaks his language.

Dude, you suck.
July 3, 2006 3:47:16 PM

Answer for stock speed: NO.

Answer after overclock: Probably NOT. Every preview I've seen show very good overclocking potential for CONROE and I wouldn't be surprise to see this 1,86GHZ baby overclock like heaven (has oppose to hell :wink: ) But to confirm this we'll all have to wait at the end of july. I'll put my money on CONROE tough!!! :twisted:

I mean, it's not like the internet is filled with post of 50% overclock for A64X2 3800+. But I think will be fairly easily achievable for the baby Conroe at 1,86GHZ. I'mm not saying it will be cool, but with decent cooling it should overclock very well in theory.

My 2 cents. :!: :) 
July 3, 2006 4:19:00 PM

Thats also true, but DDR1 wont get any cheaper (= going to become more expensive), while Conroe only needs some low clockspeed (667 or even 533) DDR2 to perform.
July 3, 2006 4:44:41 PM

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Just because you live in a cave outside Bitola, I'll forgive your misspelling of EXPENSIVE.

Again you failed to impress me. If you googled around to find any info (city from my country) that does not make you a geography Ph. D. But I am sure you'll claim that you are, just like the 50 jobs you are doing in parallel.
I gave you my addres & phones numbers(yes we have phones in our caves), but you are very stupid to check out in which city I actually live.
So becouse you are stupid, I'll not forgive you and I will PWN your dumb ass over and over every time you post BS.
Now can we start please, I feel like arguing with idiot and it is fun. :lol: 
July 3, 2006 4:58:43 PM

You guys just need to chill. There are other threads dedicated to juvenile arguments like those. I'm sure AMD and Intel appreciate you championing their respective causes, but it's not necessary.

It has been established that Core 2 Duo/Conroe will, I repeat will beat the current Athlon 64 architecture, hands-down. I think we can agree on this, fanboys from both sides alike. We can also agree that it is not the end of the world for either side. Both companies are working hard to produce better products.

Everyone can agree that while Netburst was fast, the A64 architecture was superior in most areas. Netburst was hot-running, and very inefficient. Now Intel is going to take the performance crown with Core 2. And if it's better, they earned it. No amount of poo-pooing will take that crown away from them. Core 2 will be good, so deal with it.

Intel people, feel free to brag. AMD people, feel encouraged to just smile and nod, knowing that Texas will produce something to beat Core 2. And the cycle will continue.

Fanboys STFU!!!!
July 3, 2006 5:12:42 PM

I totally agree!!!!!!!!!

Like I said many times before. We all win whatever from a good competition between Intel and AMD. I'm glad Intel came out with a superperforming cpu. I'll be happy also when either K8L or AMD new architecture will surpass it in 2007/2008. And so on with NEHALEM from Intel if everything goes as expected.

And you should all agree with me!!! :evil:  :twisted:
Otherwise, go get a life! :roll:
July 3, 2006 5:34:11 PM

Nothing is required; you act as if he expects the best performance possible on a budget, well that is not going to happen no matter what memory he buys. Even with the more expensive memory, the $250 price on the Conroe motherboard vs. $100 on an AM2 board still doesn’t make up the difference. I’m not saying that the Conroe isn’t a good chip, because that’s far from the truth, it’s just the savings are not as great when you are actually buying a complete system.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
July 3, 2006 5:37:26 PM

I believe Yes. 3800 can overclock to 3ghz stock HSF and prime stable, plus. AMD’s are SLI ready. The E6300 is 2mb cache and will be slow in games. check the link below. I am seeing a lot of privileged Intel's front runner fanboys who advertised for conroe w/ their cherry picked ES, beginning to show their dissatisfactions and complaining about "conroe being hot", "motherboards frying", "no good bios available", "Can not overclock and be stable",
"Motherboards and chipset FSB overclocking limitations" and plenty other complaints.
These are the same "privileged" fanboys who where cheerleading conroe for the past 2.5 months.
Best to wait for retail version and non "super cooked" ES’s hit the market and average un-bias users report their findings here and in the other forums.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=465961
July 3, 2006 5:44:08 PM

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Nothing is required; you act as if he expects the best performance possible on a budget, well that is not going to happen no matter what memory he buys. Even with the more expensive memory, the $250 price on the Conroe motherboard vs. $100 on an AM2 board still doesn’t make up the difference. I’m not saying that the Conroe isn’t a good chip, because that’s far from the truth, it’s just the savings are not as great when you are actually buying a complete system.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
Not every Conroe-compatable mobo is going to be $250+ either. Just realize that it isn't just black or white here, and if price were his only criteria, he wouldn't have only asked if the 3800+ is faster. He would have asked which is cheaper.
July 3, 2006 5:51:23 PM

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I believe Yes. 3800 can overclock to 3ghz stock HSF and prime stable, plus. AMD’s are SLI ready. The E6300 is 2mb cache and will be slow in games. check the link below. I am seeing a lot of privileged Intel's front runner fanboys who advertised for conroe w/ their cherry picked ES, beginning to show their dissatisfactions and complaining about "conroe being hot", "motherboards frying", "no good bios available", "Can not overclock and be stable",
"Motherboards and chipset FSB overclocking limitations" and plenty other complaints.
These are the same "privileged" fanboys who where cheerleading conroe for the past 2.5 months.
Best to wait for retail version and non "super cooked" ES’s hit the market and average un-bias users report their findings here and in the other forums.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=465961


Well, I guess the best way to get attention in a room full of intelligent people is to act like an idiot.
July 3, 2006 6:01:55 PM

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Not every Conroe-compatable mobo is going to be $250+ either. Just realize that it isn't just black or white here, and if price were his only criteria, he wouldn't have only asked if the 3800+ is faster. He would have asked which is cheaper.
That is true, but seeing as he's choosing between a budget Conroe and an X2 3800+, I'd say price is a factor. If price had no bearing, I'd say get the E6700.
July 3, 2006 6:04:42 PM

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mjp1618
Well, I guess the best way to get attention in a room full of intelligent people is to act like an idiot.

You fail to be objective and loose your sense/head when someone doubts your master. a sign of weakness and clear pattern from Intel's side of things.
I linked to an Intel forum BTW, and those are direct quotes from Intel's privileged conroe ES owners. are you in denial?
July 3, 2006 6:10:35 PM

Hey, Heyyou,

I think you will find that the release of "additional Mobos, from additional companies" rumored to begin tomorrow the 4th, will level those price points ALOT!

You grab the price of "ONE OF" the few currently Conroe compliant mobos and assume that they all are that price?

Please allow for the release of additional boards, and if they all are in that same dollar amount I will gladly come back and agree with you. Until then your pricing info is just conjecture based upon too small of a sample.

The arguement that the Intel boards are too expensive "more than making up the differential of CPU cost" is still yet to be seen. Especially since the true market has not yet been established for conroe pricing either "unless you want to go by pre-order from buy.com" again a small sample.
July 3, 2006 6:15:36 PM

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Hello,

I want to know if 939 X2 3800+ be faster than CONROE 1.86 GHz.

I am considering it after the price drop.

Rgds,



you wish
July 3, 2006 6:17:25 PM

Gota,

Nice magic trick....

Pulling non-useful, non-relevant, non-factual "ie.. fictional" information right out of thin air.

Please provide links to these ES folks that are not happy.

Also, Given these are ES and they are running pre-release boards, of which many did not specifically recognize the Conroe, you would have to expect this to happen. Although I have not heard reports of this. Also, given the extreme overclocking being done on these pre-release everything, would you not expect a certain level of failure? A 50% overclock is a stretch by most standards and is cause for concern for long term usage.

Please try to understand where this information is coming from and also please try to understand its usage!

PS.. Please continue to reah for the stars " the air is thiner up there too".
July 3, 2006 6:21:53 PM

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Not every Conroe-compatable mobo is going to be $250+ either. Just realize that it isn't just black or white here, and if price were his only criteria, he wouldn't have only asked if the 3800+ is faster. He would have asked which is cheaper.
That is true, but seeing as he's choosing between a budget Conroe and an X2 3800+, I'd say price is a factor. If price had no bearing, I'd say get the E6700.
The x975 supports crossfire (if you are lucky and find the bios or the proper board mods) never the less a lot of headaches to make them work properly. The only motherboard that is officially supporting conroe is the new p965 chipset. But Unfortunately the board is not SLI or crossfire ready.
Read the disappointing review by Anandtech on one of these mobo.
The AM2 mobo is SLI ready (for gamers) and upgradable to K8L, which is due by Nov./Dec 06(4 rev G 65nm CPU's this year ) 1stQ 07 K8L will be released in full and as promised will be much better performer than K8.
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2789
July 3, 2006 6:25:19 PM

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Gota,

Nice magic trick....

Pulling non-useful, non-relevant, non-factual "ie.. fictional" information right out of thin air.

Please provide links to these ES folks that are not happy.

Also, Given these are ES and they are running pre-release boards, of which many did not specifically recognize the Conroe, you would have to expect this to happen. Although I have not heard reports of this. Also, given the extreme overclocking being done on these pre-release everything, would you not expect a certain level of failure? A 50% overclock is a stretch by most standards and is cause for concern for long term usage.

Please try to understand where this information is coming from and also please try to understand its usage!

PS.. Please continue to reah for the stars " the air is thiner up there too".

It's not magic. Link below:
Read the entire thread if you like, but the last a few pages tell the story.
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=464023
July 3, 2006 6:29:44 PM

Can't we just quit the arguments......

At least until THE FRIGGIN CHIP IS RELEASED!


(Nothing personal to whom I replied to, just happened to be the last entry)
July 3, 2006 6:37:23 PM

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I believe Yes.


Of course you do.

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3800 can overclock to 3ghz stock HSF and prime stable, plus.


And the E6300 can't overclock?

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AMD’s are SLI ready.


The E6300 is not? All it needs is a motherboard.

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The E6300 is 2mb cache and will be slow in games. check the link below.


Of course, slower than other Conroes. Not the X2 3800+.

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I am seeing a lot of privileged Intel's front runner fanboys who advertised for conroe w/ their cherry picked ES, beginning to show their dissatisfactions and complaining about "conroe being hot", "motherboards frying", "no good bios available", "Can not overclock and be stable",
"Motherboards and chipset FSB overclocking limitations" and plenty other complaints. These are the same "privileged" fanboys who where cheerleading conroe for the past 2.5 months.


No, that was probably Shakiraboob.

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Best to wait for retail version and non "super cooked" ES’s hit the market and average un-bias users report their findings here and in the other forums.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=465961


And you think the retail versions will be worse than 6-month old Engineering Samples???

Anyway, you got what you wanted. Attention.
July 3, 2006 6:43:40 PM

Hello all,

Thanks a lot for ur opinion.
Here are my requirements which I should have explained in the first place. I am sorry I did not do that.

1. My primary aim is that I want a dual core CPU.

2. My primary requirements are lots of Office kind of applications, heavy multitasking, should not slow down VISTA(it will be resource hungry), occasional gaming, mp3 encoding/decoding.

3. The expected price of 3800 is abt $169 and for CONROE 1.86 about $183, which is a little difference.
4. I would not prefer to consider Pentium D 805 cos it has only 533 MHZ FSB, heats up a lot, will be slower than both of the above CPUs. I am not an overclocker.
5. About the price factor, yes I do not want to go very high end (E6700, fx-62) and do not want to go low end(Pentium D 805)
6. I also would like not to upgrade my system for next 2-3 years.

Please let me know your opinions.
July 3, 2006 6:47:21 PM

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Hello all,

Thanks a lot for ur opinion.
Here are my requirements which I should have explained in the first place. I am sorry I did not do that.

1. My primary aim is that I want a dual core CPU.

2. My primary requirements are lots of Office kind of applications, heavy multitasking, should not slow down VISTA(it will be resource hungry), occasional gaming, mp3 encoding/decoding.

3. The expected price of 3800 is abt $169 and for CONROE 1.86 about $183, which is a little difference.
4. I would not prefer to consider Pentium D 805 cos it has only 533 MHZ FSB, heats up a lot, will be slower than both of the above CPUs. I am not an overclocker.
5. About the price factor, yes I do not want to go very high end (E6700, fx-62) and do not want to go low end(Pentium D 805)
6. I also would like not to upgrade my system for next 2-3 years.

Please let me know your opinions.
Then it's painfully obvious...E6300.
July 3, 2006 6:59:22 PM

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check this out on RHT release. It's happening. looks like AMD is pulling rabbit out of the hat :) 
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32790
Are you and 9-Inch Siamese Twins?

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A SLOVAKIAN FRIEND sent us a link to an AMD web site where a new utility can be found and downloaded.
Yeah, a friend of a friend of a friend told us.

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AMD Dual-Core Optimizer is a piece of software that allegedly improves gaming performance by bypassing Windows' API in some specific situations.
Allegedly? Keep praying, and maybe something will come to the rescue. :roll:
July 3, 2006 7:20:42 PM

That is true, but I still won't expect the Intel's 965 chipset boards to be that cheap either. Over all I think the 1.86GHz Core 2 will be his best bet, but the AMD system is also competitve with the price difference.
July 3, 2006 8:19:16 PM

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I believe Yes. 3800 can overclock to 3ghz stock HSF and prime stable, plus. AMD’s are SLI ready. The E6300 is 2mb cache and will be slow in games. check the link below. I am seeing a lot of privileged Intel's front runner fanboys who advertised for conroe w/ their cherry picked ES, beginning to show their dissatisfactions and complaining about "conroe being hot", "motherboards frying", "no good bios available", "Can not overclock and be stable",
"Motherboards and chipset FSB overclocking limitations" and plenty other complaints.
These are the same "privileged" fanboys who where cheerleading conroe for the past 2.5 months.
Best to wait for retail version and non "super cooked" ES’s hit the market and average un-bias users report their findings here and in the other forums.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=465961


I don't say it can't be done! I'm saying it's gonna be easier overall to overclock with 1,86ghz Conroe. This because of smaller heat dissipation. I might be wrong tough, but I'd be surpirsed. I think we might be having a new Celeron 300 here :lol: 

OK!!! You're talking ES chip which are known for not being up to task compare to real product. Just like a prototype car can't compare (usually) to real production model.

NOW, go check different review floating around the web and you'll find none saying bad thing about the chips. Even better, some of these site were previously known to be pro-AMD, which proove that maybe they were saying the reality, PentiumD sucked for most task. But they are now saying the opposite, which should prove my point.

Don't get me wrong! I know/strongly hope AMD we'll get back with something even better. But I think we'll say in 6 months from now that Intel won these round. That's for the fair judge of course!

Now, what would anybody loose, if not their pride for being to much of a big mouth, for AMD loosing the performances and price-performances crown to Intel for the next 6-12 months? AMD selling their cpu for more than Intel should in itself be enough for them to consider Intel.

The simple fact that all sites agree about Core2Duo performances should be enough to give it enough credibility that all AMD-FANBOY stop shooting "LIE!" and take the wait and see way!

I'll myself apologize if they were all wrong, but Intel confidence tells me I won't have to. :wink:
July 3, 2006 8:21:40 PM

Mabey Not, But It Will Be Cheaper And Plenty Fast
July 3, 2006 8:34:05 PM

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Hello all,

Thanks a lot for ur opinion.
Here are my requirements which I should have explained in the first place. I am sorry I did not do that.

1. My primary aim is that I want a dual core CPU.

2. My primary requirements are lots of Office kind of applications, heavy multitasking, should not slow down VISTA(it will be resource hungry), occasional gaming, mp3 encoding/decoding.

3. The expected price of 3800 is abt $169 and for CONROE 1.86 about $183, which is a little difference.
4. I would not prefer to consider Pentium D 805 cos it has only 533 MHZ FSB, heats up a lot, will be slower than both of the above CPUs. I am not an overclocker.
5. About the price factor, yes I do not want to go very high end (E6700, fx-62) and do not want to go low end(Pentium D 805)
6. I also would like not to upgrade my system for next 2-3 years.

Please let me know your opinions.


We'll know for sure in end of july. But everything points out to a complete domination of the 1,86ghz Core2Duo over the A64X2 3800+.

I think that you would be better with the E6400 if you don't plan to overclock tough. The performances difference should be enough to make it worthwhile. The price difference in retail should be less than 50$. These is nothing when included in the total price of your system.

You could even get higher latency memory for the difference and still get way better performances. This because Core2Duo cpu have better memory prefetch that kind-of-hide the latency difference of memory module. The A64X2 cpu don't have that system because they relay more on their faster memory controler to make the difference. So in these case, lower latency module make more of a difference.
July 3, 2006 8:36:32 PM

I think the general concensus is that the Conroe E6300's performance is somewhere around an AMD X2 4200+ or a 4400+. Your best bet would be to wait until a couple weeks after the Conroe launch, then start pricing processors and motherboards together. I think by then there will be some competitively priced Conroe compatible boards. I'm going with the X2 3800+ though, as it'll be cheaper and have more than enough power for my budget gaming rig.
July 3, 2006 9:00:13 PM

Wazzzzzup LMM?
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I believe Yes.

Yes, you belive in every crap that speaks good about AMD and bad about Intel.

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3800 can overclock to 3ghz stock HSF and prime stable, plus.

Lair. Can you provide some proves about this lie. I can prove that my Venice(it is single core and produces less heat) can't work stable on more than 2.75GHz. Some of the numbers that speaks about my Venice: "0517 DPMW" if this means something about K8 and overclocking to a noob like you are.
Core2 overclocks twice in % than K8, read the sticky thread about Core2 Duo and suffer.
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AMD’s are SLI ready.
So WTF? Everybody is SLI ready, but I don't understand this in your concept of BSing around.
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The E6300 is 2mb cache and will be slow in games.

If E6300 will be slow in games, the X2-3800+ will be much more slower. Again, you have the sticky thread which actually makes fanboys like you to suffer.

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check the link below. I am seeing a lot of privileged Intel's front runner fanboys who advertised for conroe w/ their cherry picked ES, beginning to show their dissatisfactions and complaining about "conroe being hot", "motherboards frying", "no good bios available", "Can not overclock and be stable",
"Motherboards and chipset FSB overclocking limitations" and plenty other complaints

These are the same "privileged" fanboys who where cheerleading conroe for the past 2.5 months.
Best to wait for retail version and non "super cooked" ES’s hit the market and average un-bias users report their findings here and in the other forums.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=465961

you are full of $hit.
July 3, 2006 9:00:25 PM

If you read the french web site that showed the difference between the 2meg, and 4meg conroes, it also contained full benchmarks of games and other applications.

Its performance was ranged from 'better than an X2 4400, to better than X2 4800' and that was running at stock 1.86Ghz.

As for the X2 outperforming the Conroe if you overclock it to 3Ghz. Well they already clocked the 1.86Ghz @2.4, and it seriously outperformed an
X2 4400@3.1ghz, so I think it's win all round for the Conroe.

As for motherboards, there will be quite a few new boards out for Conroe very soon, including Nforce 5 Intel edition, for Nvidia SLI, and the 975X motherboards while expensive support Crossfire and Conroe already.

If the system is for a 'budget' where cost is important, lack of SLI, and Crossfire is not likely to be an issue, in which case there are already some 'Value' boards based on the 965 chipset which are half the price of the 975X boards.
July 3, 2006 9:04:14 PM

Exactly, Thanx You, For Once Someone Agrees With Me.

I Myself Plan On Keeping My Current Rig (Listed In My Sig. Wadda Ya Think? Want A Pic?) But Heres What Im Gonna Do:

1. Replacing My 3800+ (Wich Might I Add Gets A Very Nice 2600MHz Overclock, Will Even Boot Windows At 3GHz But Its Unstable And Hot!) With A Opteron 170 After The Price-Cuts.
2. Replacing My 7800GT With, http://stores.tomshardware.com/search_getprod.php?maste...
3. Upgrading My Hard Drive With A Couple Of 76GB Raptors In Raid-0 Plus A 160GB Backup IDE Drive (Western Digital!)
4. A Better SLI Approved PSU, Can Ya Reccomend One Thats In The 650Watt Range That Wont Cost Me $200.00+?
5.And A Completely Customized Case Cooled With A Huge 720mm Side-Inflow Fan
July 3, 2006 9:44:49 PM

Wouldn't you laugh your ass off if Intel and Amd started locking bus speeds?
July 3, 2006 10:04:54 PM

Locking bus speeds would be very hard to do. I suppose it is theoretically possible, but it would be a waste of engineering effort to say the least.
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July 3, 2006 10:07:22 PM

Idiots

Core Duo II's are faster clock for clock then AMD's (2.66 vs 2.8ghz anyone?) hows AMD going to match with a cpu with not even 1/2 the L2 there aswell?

That intel chip will do everything better - Cheaper, Faster, Colder, Better Overclocker.

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Hello,

I want to know if 939 X2 3800+ be faster than CONROE 1.86 GHz.

I am considering it after the price drop.

Rgds,
July 3, 2006 10:16:57 PM

Hi,
i agree that the competiton between intel and AMD is very healthy for the consumer. But I like AMD to grow over intel because intel still has the bigger share of the market.And in my opinion AMD had the best engineering designed CPUs... until now?... i think

But in this moment i think the best buy for the performance/money is the PENTIUM D 930 presler. Is faster than X2 3800 and much much cheaper
July 3, 2006 10:21:22 PM

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But in this moment i think the best buy for the performance/money is the PENTIUM D 930 presler. Is faster than X2 3800 and much much cheaper
I second that; the D 930 is an awesome chip for under $200.
July 3, 2006 11:44:52 PM

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Idiots

Core Duo II's are faster clock for clock then AMD's (2.66 vs 2.8ghz anyone?) hows AMD going to match with a cpu with not even 1/2 the L2 there aswell?

That intel chip will do everything better - Cheaper, Faster, Colder, Better Overclocker.


You don't know much about processors if you're calling everyone idiots. Not to mention it's a bit rude. Cache is used because of bandwidth limitations. Because flow to and from the processor is done better on the AMD platform, it gets far less of a boost from cache size. Look into the performance difference between 512 and 1MB isn't nearly as much as Intel's are between 1MB and 2MB or 4MB for that matter. Considering AMD processors are running similiar temps at 90nm as Intel's at 65nm are, I don't really consider the Intel or the AMD "colder." I think the overclocking issue needs much more data at this point, though.
July 4, 2006 12:03:43 AM

shabodah, i tottally agree with you. :) 
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