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July 3, 2006 6:37:48 PM

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Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s plan to site a multibillion-dollar computer-chip plant in Saratoga County puts the region squarely in the middle of a global competition.

Albany now plays a supporting role in a script that pits the second-largest chip maker, AMD, against industry leader Intel Corp...

..."AMD doesn't worry about copy exact, but copy smart--and produce equivalent results," said Bob Johnson, research vice president with Gartner Dataquest, a high-tech market research firm in San Jose, Calif. "The general consensus of the equipment guys out there is that in terms of process control, AMD is the most advanced in the world."

The two approaches come down to money and brains.

"The point is, we have two different philosophies. If you have a ton of money and can afford it, you can do what Intel does," Johnson said. "If money is tight and you have a bunch of smart people, you do the AMD approach."


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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13679691/
July 3, 2006 6:42:07 PM

Quote:
Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s plan to site a multibillion-dollar computer-chip plant in Saratoga County puts the region squarely in the middle of a global competition.

Albany now plays a supporting role in a script that pits the second-largest chip maker, AMD, against industry leader Intel Corp...

..."AMD doesn't worry about copy exact, but copy smart--and produce equivalent results," said Bob Johnson, research vice president with Gartner Dataquest, a high-tech market research firm in San Jose, Calif. "The general consensus of the equipment guys out there is that in terms of process control, AMD is the most advanced in the world."

The two approaches come down to money and brains.

"The point is, we have two different philosophies. If you have a ton of money and can afford it, you can do what Intel does," Johnson said. "If money is tight and you have a bunch of smart people, you do the AMD approach."


8)

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13679691/

All right more propganda good work 9cm.
July 3, 2006 6:43:30 PM

Quote:
Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s plan to site a multibillion-dollar computer-chip plant in Saratoga County puts the region squarely in the middle of a global competition.

Albany now plays a supporting role in a script that pits the second-largest chip maker, AMD, against industry leader Intel Corp...

..."AMD doesn't worry about copy exact, but copy smart--and produce equivalent results," said Bob Johnson, research vice president with Gartner Dataquest, a high-tech market research firm in San Jose, Calif. "The general consensus of the equipment guys out there is that in terms of process control, AMD is the most advanced in the world."

The two approaches come down to money and brains.

"The point is, we have two different philosophies. If you have a ton of money and can afford it, you can do what Intel does," Johnson said. "If money is tight and you have a bunch of smart people, you do the AMD approach."


8)

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13679691/Sounds like an admission that they're financially strapped. :wink:
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July 3, 2006 6:47:41 PM

Sorry, but how in the world is AMDs process the best in the world?

They clearly fail to get working silicon @ new processes in time and they clearly cant live up to their promises, only after several months, their process meets their expectations (you do know that it has happened over and over again).

Not to mention its actually IBMs process since they do all the work for AMD :lol: 
July 3, 2006 7:01:35 PM

I just realized that all 9-inch's post (567) are all against Intel, I haven't seen anything from him that saying Intel is better than AMD, ALWAYS article bout AMD better than Intel. But ya good job I guess, I hope you won't scream "AMD" with your last breathe...
July 3, 2006 7:03:24 PM

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Sorry, but how in the world is AMDs process the best in the world?

They clearly fail to get working silicon @ new processes in time and they clearly cant live up to their promises, only after several months, their process meets their expectations (you do know that it has happened over and over again).

Not to mention its actually IBMs process since they do all the work for AMD :lol: 
Hey Ycon there giving out 965EE's on the street corner go get em boy!

*Watches Ycon jump out of his seat*


That should keep him busy for a while.
July 3, 2006 7:08:28 PM

9-inch needs his own forum, I think. The 9-inch forum - and it needs a hefty disclaimer...

"All posts not regarding to non anti intel claims being made for or against, but not withholding claims regarded to the preatory of AMD's superior market position, shall have thier oversight dismissed under which the conditions above are met, not excluding all material related to (or not withheld from) AMD, shall be purged."

In short, all posts that don't say AMD is better will be ignored or deleted :) 

3 cheers for 13ga1 sp34k lol.
July 3, 2006 7:12:53 PM

Imagine this guys...

If an AMD chip dropped down the river and at the same time HIS mom dropped... I bet he's gonna save the AMD chip instead of his mom!!

9-inch = AMD for Life
Intel for Losers
July 3, 2006 7:29:02 PM

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9-inch needs his own forum, I think. The 9-inch forum - and it needs a hefty disclaimer...

"All posts not regarding to non anti intel claims being made for or against, but not withholding claims regarded to the preatory of AMD's superior market position, shall have thier oversight dismissed under which the conditions above are met, not excluding all material related to (or not withheld from) AMD, shall be purged."

In short, all posts that don't say AMD is better will be ignored or deleted :) 

3 cheers for 13ga1 sp34k lol.


Or more like, Welcome to the 3-inch forum
July 3, 2006 7:54:36 PM

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"The point is, we have two different philosophies. If you have a ton of money and can afford it, you can do what Intel does," Johnson said. "If money is tight and you have a bunch of smart people, you do the AMD approach."


It's very interesting, that passage.

I'm not sure if the guy is saying that AMD is far superior to Intel (which they aren't) and much cheaper than Intel (which they aren't), or if he's pointing out that all the smart people he knows aren't so smart, because anyone who is actually smart will use Intel for some systems and AMD for others.
July 3, 2006 8:04:46 PM

I think Intel abused 9-inch when he was younger.

How can you hate a company so much? And to the other extreme, I think that if Hector Ruise asked you to lick the back of his balls you would happily oblige


Serious question, why do you hate Intel so much??????????


Its obsessive, I think you need to get away from computers for a while; you remind me of Gollum from lord of the rings, that is what you are like. Clutching a K8 and wank1ng yourself into a coma muttering “my precious my precious”

For your own sanity forget about being a keyboard warrior defending AMD against the evil entity that is Intel and get out of the house and do a bit of riding or get high (or both)
July 3, 2006 8:23:55 PM

Wrong! They Didnt Fail, Unlike Intel They Are Smart Enuff To Make Sure Stuff Is Working Right Before They Release A Product. Simply Put

FPDB (Floating Point Division Bug) Anyone?
July 3, 2006 9:19:35 PM

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Wrong! They Didnt Fail, Unlike Intel They Are Smart Enuff To Make Sure Stuff Is Working Right Before They Release A Product. Simply Put

FPDB (Floating Point Division Bug) Anyone?


Why bring that up thats like a decade old news.
July 3, 2006 9:48:46 PM

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Serious question, why do you hate Intel so much??????????


Its obsessive, I think you need to get away from computers for a while; you remind me of Gollum from lord of the rings, that is what you are like. Clutching a K8 and wank1ng yourself into a coma muttering “my precious my precious”


Funny, that sounds like Intel fanboys for the past oooh 3 years or so. Shouldn't really be surprising at this point.

I think the defenition of a fanboy is not that someone will keep buying a product even though it isn't the best, but someone who refuses to believe that what they have isn't the best.

Some people just don't like how certain companies do business, and if they don't want to take their business there, they don't have to.
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July 3, 2006 10:15:00 PM

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*cough* sorry im alergic to BS

the information above is 45345345354 times more inteligent then 9 inch himself *shrugs*

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Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s plan to site a multibillion-dollar computer-chip plant in Saratoga County puts the region squarely in the middle of a global competition.

Albany now plays a supporting role in a script that pits the second-largest chip maker, AMD, against industry leader Intel Corp...

..."AMD doesn't worry about copy exact, but copy smart--and produce equivalent results," said Bob Johnson, research vice president with Gartner Dataquest, a high-tech market research firm in San Jose, Calif. "The general consensus of the equipment guys out there is that in terms of process control, AMD is the most advanced in the world."

The two approaches come down to money and brains.

"The point is, we have two different philosophies. If you have a ton of money and can afford it, you can do what Intel does," Johnson said. "If money is tight and you have a bunch of smart people, you do the AMD approach."


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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13679691/
July 3, 2006 10:34:04 PM

I'm purchasing a Conroe as soon as it hits the stores, i guess Intel subverted me big time lol
July 4, 2006 4:44:19 AM

Why?, Thats Just An Example Of One Of The Famous Intel Fuck-Ups. There Have Also Been A Few In The Recent Past. AMD Hasnt Had Nearly As Many, If Any At All Thus I Trust Them More.
July 4, 2006 5:14:10 AM

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Why?, Thats Just An Example Of One Of The Famous Intel ****-Ups. There Have Also Been A Few In The Recent Past. AMD Hasnt Had Nearly As Many, If Any At All Thus I Trust Them More.
How easily the fanboys forget.

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After AMD confirmed the problem, it determined the chips had fallen through a "test escape"--a situation in which a flawed chip passes all tests. In other words, the company says the problem lies in testing, not in manufacturing or design.


http://news.com.com/AMD+replacing+faulty+Opteron+chips/...
July 4, 2006 5:55:21 AM

Quote:
Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s plan to site a multibillion-dollar computer-chip plant in Saratoga County puts the region squarely in the middle of a global competition.

Albany now plays a supporting role in a script that pits the second-largest chip maker, AMD, against industry leader Intel Corp...

..."AMD doesn't worry about copy exact, but copy smart--and produce equivalent results," said Bob Johnson, research vice president with Gartner Dataquest, a high-tech market research firm in San Jose, Calif. "The general consensus of the equipment guys out there is that in terms of process control, AMD is the most advanced in the world."

The two approaches come down to money and brains.

"The point is, we have two different philosophies. If you have a ton of money and can afford it, you can do what Intel does," Johnson said. "If money is tight and you have a bunch of smart people, you do the AMD approach."


8)

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13679691/

NEWSFLASH!!!

AMD might... someday.... build a new fab in NY. How many times does one person have to post the same article? Or was this just so you could bold some new one liners from the media?

Oh and I guess this shows that 9-inch has not been banned as was suspected earlier.

It seems the FUD force is on full alert today.
July 4, 2006 6:03:30 AM

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Sorry, but how in the world is AMDs process the best in the world?


when they say "process control", I don't think they're talking about actual manufacturing process, but more about how the manufacturing is dealt with. sort of like management. that's what I got from it at least.

either way, it's one opinion, and not worthy of a whole thread. but then again, it is 9-inch.
July 4, 2006 7:20:16 AM

Well, while 9cm IS a fanboy, the article he quoted does reflect one thing: AMD is able to squeeze more out of older manufacturing processes thatn Intel bothers with.

After all, AMD does manage to fit a dual core, 35W 2 GHz chip on a 90nm-processed wafer (using the same fab they had built 2-3 years ago). Intel didn't bother and switched to 65nm - on brand new fabs - for an equivalent result: a dual core chip at low wattage and 2GHzclock speed.

Core design is another matter: AMD designed a winner 7 years ago (my goodness! That much time has elapsed since the original Thunderbird!), and kept it current until now with tweaks and fine-tuning. Not bad for an antiquity... while Intel got lost with Netburst, and pulled out the heavily redesigned P3.

AMD doesn't have as much cash as Intel does; so,
- they can't afford to build new fabs as a shortcut for process mastery,
- they can't afford to develop 2 core designs for the same architecture concurrently.

Intel can pull it off almost as an afterthought, and they still needed 4 years to get back the crown of the most efficient chip design.

Conroe is a fantastic chip that exists now due to the loads of cash Intel can throw around; K8 is an honorable chip that keeps existing due to the ingenuity AMD displayed.
July 4, 2006 7:45:57 AM

Quote:
Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s plan to site a multibillion-dollar computer-chip plant in Saratoga County puts the region squarely in the middle of a global competition.

Albany now plays a supporting role in a script that pits the second-largest chip maker, AMD, against industry leader Intel Corp...

..."AMD doesn't worry about copy exact, but copy smart--and produce equivalent results," said Bob Johnson, research vice president with Gartner Dataquest, a high-tech market research firm in San Jose, Calif. "The general consensus of the equipment guys out there is that in terms of process control, AMD is the most advanced in the world."

The two approaches come down to money and brains.

"The point is, we have two different philosophies. If you have a ton of money and can afford it, you can do what Intel does," Johnson said. "If money is tight and you have a bunch of smart people, you do the AMD approach."


8)

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13679691/
so he is also an AMD fanboy, and you guys share the same passion. big deal.

its just like another thread you posted. you quoted an AMD tech representatives that said, "AMD is the most technologcal advanced company in the world. AMD pwns all."

wow.. since the statement was made by an AMD representative, claiming that AMD pwns all, so that must be true huh!!
July 4, 2006 8:25:35 AM

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Has anyone benched one of these energy efficient CPUs? Actually, I am interested in see the benchmarks and the OCabilitytogether. They actually built the fab over 6 years ago, the fab opened in 2001, they did a good job in the last 1/2 of 2005 managing the output.

From personal experience, if a chip runs undervolted and doesn't make execution errors, it performs as well as a full voltage version.
For example: my bro' and I both had a Celeron 300A (yes, the Intel legend); we both ran them at 450, and while mine operaed well at 1.9V (instead of nominal 2V), my brother's operated at 1.7V - meaning 50% faster, with 15% less volts than nominal.
Both benched equally well; we had the same motherboards (Abit BH6 rev 1.01). So it's not too far fetched to think that 35W X2 should run as well as 65W ones.

Thanks for pointing out the actual start of the 90nm production; I wasn't sure, so I played it safe. If I remember well, Thunderbird was first manufactured using 130nm... Then a switch to 90nm (integrating L2 cache on chip) that lasted until today.


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Thunderbird was not exactly a winner for AMD, they lost the most money in the year Thunderbird peaked (over 1 billion to be exact), granted this was during the steepest part of the downturn, as well as a albatrose of a buisness called flash, but still -- it wasn't the star performer that K8 has been and continues to be.

AMD had troubles the first year mainly because they could push out the CPU, but no-one wanted to develop a chipset, or develop a mobo: remember, amongst the first K7 mobos were unbranded Asus ones. Only when Via (which had won a case against Intel) developed the KT133/A and some mobo makers started using it, did K7 flood the market. And then, all benchies were won by AMD, with a 20% performance lead clock for clock (over P3). AMD's core design was a winner; their initial push to market was truly a burst, though.
K8 added 64-bit, 2 stages to the pipelines, and an integrated memory controller; but the overall core design, including the crossbar system, was already part of the K7.

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They get plenty of help from IBM, over 1/3 their fab is funded by german taxpayers and 1/4 will ultimately be funded by New York taxpayers. Though I understand your point, AMD has done a lot with fewer resources.

Stop me if I'm wrong, but Intel does have a few fabs in tax-free areas, like in Mexico - I don't think the German government would finance AMD directly, but exonerate them from taxes and lend them interest-free money, that is highly possible. But I think Intel manages to get a slice of the cake too - it just looks like a drop in a barrel compared with a drop in a small glass...

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Recall, K8 was late -- late by means of it was not delivered when AMD said it would be delivered.

True - Intel has a bad habit of botching its top-notch products.
- the 286 memory addressing bug
- the Pentium 60 and its FPU error
- the Pentium 200 and its sub-par performance
- the Pentium Pro and its lack of availability and lackluster 16-bit performance
- Itanium
- the original Celeron 300 (no L2 cache)
- the 430TX and its inability to cache more than 64 Mb of RAM
- the Memory Translation Hub, when they didn't want to deliver a native SDRAM chipset to replace the venerable 440BX
- the 1.13GHz P-3
- Netburst.
AMD had... well...
- K5, which was merely a tweaked 486 (it cost much less, though)
- K6 and its fantastic 16/32-bit integer performance but lackluster FPU/MMX (it sucked, but was still better than Cyrix's abysmal performance)
- reluctance to provide chipsets: 750 and 760, while performing well, were hard to come by
- the integrated memory controller in K8 requires you to change your CPU if you change your RAM type (okay, I'm pushing it)

Still, it is true that AMD is usually late to deliver, but they do deliver - little to no product recall. From what I could get, there only was one case of AMD product recall: a K8 revision could, under high stress caused by an artificial infinite loop, lead to execution failure - meaning it wouldn't ever happen if you backed up your entire DVD collection using insane encoding parameters in DivX.
Compared to Intel's 1.13GHz P3 unable to compile a Linux kernel, that's not much.
July 4, 2006 10:03:39 AM

Dear 9-inch aka Hella-D,
Having two accounts doesn't make your posts any better!
How do you decide which one to use?
And if you were trying to hide this, you shouldn't post the topic title in the same style that you use when writing Hella-D posts

"AMD, UAlbany Chip Away At Intel's Lead"

Quote:
Wrong! They Didnt Fail, Unlike Intel They Are Smart Enuff To Make Sure Stuff Is Working Right Before They Release A Product. Simply Put

FPDB (Floating Point Division Bug) Anyone?


First Letter Of Every Word In Capitals
July 4, 2006 12:42:01 PM

Picking from higher bins: actually, that's what they said they did (I can't remember where I saw the interview). It doesn't make said hand-picked product less reliable, far from it - I suspect that if you get one, you'll be able to overclock it quite a lot, since you can increase voltage without exceeding design specs. I might try my hand at building one such rig if I need to build a second rig anytime soon...

3rd party support: I spent 6 months looking into getting an AMD system those days; when I saw the trouble one had to go through to obtain a mobo, I decided to spend some cash on better cooling for my Celeron - and keep it @450 24/7. My neighbour managed to grab one of the first KT133A boards, with a Socket A Celeron 600. With some lead and a very good cooler, he clocked it almost instantly past the GHz.

AMD securing capital from gov's: true, AMD would qualify because they couldn't afford to get the funding, then move out six months later. Intel wouldn't qualify.

Adjusting roadmaps: right. Still, Intel did have quite a few more paper launches than AMD had. I also read through an AMD specs sheets from www.amd.com with the problems solved by each revisions in the K8. It was long yet enlightening.
It would be hypocritical, yes - however, it is also quite entertaining to see the marketing department at Intel vaunting their chips and stepping on their own feet when a product fails spectacularly, when on the other side AMD advertises much less and barely has to recall some revisions due to some hypothetical problem taking place in a non real-world scenario... While Intel for example advertised the first 'more than 1 GHz chip' for weeks, delivered it - and had to call it back because all units were faulty, and tried to sweep it all under the rug.
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July 4, 2006 10:24:57 PM

Athlon XP's heat issues anyone?
Original AMD Athlon64's 940 and 939 and 754 sockets
AMD and its bad "incompatible" reputation (thankyou VIA)
No thermal protection through the whole Athlon range (till the 64)
AM2 - the change for what? DDR2 = no gain, twice the ram bandwidth
Cool and Quiet - BIOS must support it
3Dnow!
First K7's were slow

Heh as for intels issues - the bigger the company, the easier it is to find mistakes perhaps?

I dont mean to defend Intel or anythin but

440TX chipset was low powered and intended for laptops, and its not as if 64mb was insufficent back then.

The P3's were always colder then the K7's, and performed so close the only diffrences between both were heat and cost really, and the P3 had an advantage in gaming, AMD in video.

Tualatin anyone? 1.26 vs 1400 AMD

Bah




Quote:
Has anyone benched one of these energy efficient CPUs? Actually, I am interested in see the benchmarks and the OCabilitytogether. They actually built the fab over 6 years ago, the fab opened in 2001, they did a good job in the last 1/2 of 2005 managing the output.

From personal experience, if a chip runs undervolted and doesn't make execution errors, it performs as well as a full voltage version.
For example: my bro' and I both had a Celeron 300A (yes, the Intel legend); we both ran them at 450, and while mine operaed well at 1.9V (instead of nominal 2V), my brother's operated at 1.7V - meaning 50% faster, with 15% less volts than nominal.
Both benched equally well; we had the same motherboards (Abit BH6 rev 1.01). So it's not too far fetched to think that 35W X2 should run as well as 65W ones.

Thanks for pointing out the actual start of the 90nm production; I wasn't sure, so I played it safe. If I remember well, Thunderbird was first manufactured using 130nm... Then a switch to 90nm (integrating L2 cache on chip) that lasted until today.


Quote:
Thunderbird was not exactly a winner for AMD, they lost the most money in the year Thunderbird peaked (over 1 billion to be exact), granted this was during the steepest part of the downturn, as well as a albatrose of a buisness called flash, but still -- it wasn't the star performer that K8 has been and continues to be.

AMD had troubles the first year mainly because they could push out the CPU, but no-one wanted to develop a chipset, or develop a mobo: remember, amongst the first K7 mobos were unbranded Asus ones. Only when Via (which had won a case against Intel) developed the KT133/A and some mobo makers started using it, did K7 flood the market. And then, all benchies were won by AMD, with a 20% performance lead clock for clock (over P3). AMD's core design was a winner; their initial push to market was truly a burst, though.
K8 added 64-bit, 2 stages to the pipelines, and an integrated memory controller; but the overall core design, including the crossbar system, was already part of the K7.

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They get plenty of help from IBM, over 1/3 their fab is funded by german taxpayers and 1/4 will ultimately be funded by New York taxpayers. Though I understand your point, AMD has done a lot with fewer resources.

Stop me if I'm wrong, but Intel does have a few fabs in tax-free areas, like in Mexico - I don't think the German government would finance AMD directly, but exonerate them from taxes and lend them interest-free money, that is highly possible. But I think Intel manages to get a slice of the cake too - it just looks like a drop in a barrel compared with a drop in a small glass...

Quote:
Recall, K8 was late -- late by means of it was not delivered when AMD said it would be delivered.

True - Intel has a bad habit of botching its top-notch products.
- the 286 memory addressing bug
- the Pentium 60 and its FPU error
- the Pentium 200 and its sub-par performance
- the Pentium Pro and its lack of availability and lackluster 16-bit performance
- Itanium
- the original Celeron 300 (no L2 cache)
- the 430TX and its inability to cache more than 64 Mb of RAM
- the Memory Translation Hub, when they didn't want to deliver a native SDRAM chipset to replace the venerable 440BX
- the 1.13GHz P-3
- Netburst.
AMD had... well...
- K5, which was merely a tweaked 486 (it cost much less, though)
- K6 and its fantastic 16/32-bit integer performance but lackluster FPU/MMX (it sucked, but was still better than Cyrix's abysmal performance)
- reluctance to provide chipsets: 750 and 760, while performing well, were hard to come by
- the integrated memory controller in K8 requires you to change your CPU if you change your RAM type (okay, I'm pushing it)

Still, it is true that AMD is usually late to deliver, but they do deliver - little to no product recall. From what I could get, there only was one case of AMD product recall: a K8 revision could, under high stress caused by an artificial infinite loop, lead to execution failure - meaning it wouldn't ever happen if you backed up your entire DVD collection using insane encoding parameters in DivX.
Compared to Intel's 1.13GHz P3 unable to compile a Linux kernel, that's not much.
July 5, 2006 8:56:21 AM

Heat issues: true - heat management was integrated quite late in the game by AMD, and K7's was lackluster.

Various sockets: 940 was server-only, 754 was cheapo replacement for socket A, 939 is still running and included in roadmaps until end 2007. Well, they could have tried keeping Socket 7 alive, then... :p 

First K7's were slow: due to external L2 cache, same problem as with P-II. Add initial no good chipsets, you've got a good core with big bottlenecks.

3Dnow! was a good idea for the K6, merely kept for compatibility in K7 -actually, several were recycled in SSE support.

AM2 and K8, no gain from DDR2: true; K8 being geared for low latency, average throughput RAM, DDR2 doesn't fit it as well as DDR did.
K8L may change that - it's no worse than Netburst's RAMBUS only policy.

CnQ: support in BIOS is required for almost all CPU specs - see Hyperthreading.
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July 5, 2006 12:01:06 PM

I dont mean to pick on AMD like that but yeah - both companies have there problems, just that everyone picks em out with Intel and makes AMD look perfect - BS!

In reality - AMD's heat issue (AthlonXP's) doesnt exist if care is taken.

In all non fanboy honnesty AMD's designs have NEVER leaped, but have always kept moving strongly - Intels designs leap, and get behind, then leap again.

On the other hand Intel has made a bigger leap then usual and the P4 wasnt a leap 8O



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Heat issues: true - heat management was integrated quite late in the game by AMD, and K7's was lackluster.

Various sockets: 940 was server-only, 754 was cheapo replacement for socket A, 939 is still running and included in roadmaps until end 2007. Well, they could have tried keeping Socket 7 alive, then... :p 

First K7's were slow: due to external L2 cache, same problem as with P-II. Add initial no good chipsets, you've got a good core with big bottlenecks.

3Dnow! was a good idea for the K6, merely kept for compatibility in K7 -actually, several were recycled in SSE support.

AM2 and K8, no gain from DDR2: true; K8 being geared for low latency, average throughput RAM, DDR2 doesn't fit it as well as DDR did.
K8L may change that - it's no worse than Netburst's RAMBUS only policy.

CnQ: support in BIOS is required for almost all CPU specs - see Hyperthreading.
July 5, 2006 12:42:57 PM

hey guys ... come on stop bashing 9-inch. This is the first time he has posted from a more credible source other than theinquirer!! We should be proud of him! =P

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