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July 6, 2006 4:14:47 AM

budget: <$3000
uses: gaming/school projects
will OC
want to purchase in next few days so please do not suggest to wait for Conroe

Case: Thermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS $135
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

MOBO: ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe $147
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

CPU: AMD X2 4400+ socket AM2 $503 http://www.cybersprinter.com/item_description.asp?prodi...

CPU cooler: Thermaltake Mini Typhoon CL-P0268 92mm $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1683...

TIM: Arctic Silver 5 $6
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...

RAM: CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 800 4-4-4-12 $250
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

GPU: MSI NX7900GTX-T2D512E Geforce 7900GTX $420
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

GPU cooler: ZALMAN VF900 - CU LED 80mm $49
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1683...

HDD: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB $78
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic $117
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

DVD-ROM: ASUS Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM ATAPI/E-IDE $22
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

DVD burner: SAMSUNG Black 2M Cache ATA/ATAPI $41
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Card reader: Atech Flash Xm-4U 11-in-1 USB 2.0 $25
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

PSU: FSP Group FX700-GLN ATX12V/ EPS12V 700W $166
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Monitor: LG L203WTX 1:1400 300nits 20.1" $500
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Speakers: Klipsch Audio ProMedia GMX A 2.1 $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...

Keyboard: Microsoft Natural 4000 B2M-00012 $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Mouse: Logitech G5 Laser 931376-0403 $43
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

OS: WinXP Pro OEM $138

Total: $2870


Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help.
July 6, 2006 6:56:53 AM

Quote:
budget: <$3000
uses: gaming/school projects
will OC
want to purchase in next few days so please do not suggest to wait for Conroe

Case: Thermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS $135
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

MOBO: ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe $147
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

CPU: AMD X2 4400+ socket AM2 $503 http://www.cybersprinter.com/item_description.asp?prodi...

CPU cooler: Thermaltake Mini Typhoon CL-P0268 92mm $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1683...

TIM: Arctic Silver 5 $6
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...

RAM: CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 800 4-4-4-12 $250
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

GPU: MSI NX7900GTX-T2D512E Geforce 7900GTX $420
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

GPU cooler: ZALMAN VF900 - CU LED 80mm $49
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1683...

HDD: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB $78
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic $117
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

DVD-ROM: ASUS Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM ATAPI/E-IDE $22
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

DVD burner: SAMSUNG Black 2M Cache ATA/ATAPI $41
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Card reader: Atech Flash Xm-4U 11-in-1 USB 2.0 $25
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

PSU: FSP Group FX700-GLN ATX12V/ EPS12V 700W $166
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Monitor: LG L203WTX 1:1400 300nits 20.1" $500
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Speakers: Klipsch Audio ProMedia GMX A 2.1 $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...

Keyboard: Microsoft Natural 4000 B2M-00012 $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Mouse: Logitech G5 Laser 931376-0403 $43
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

OS: WinXP Pro OEM $138

Total: $2870


Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help.
Looks like a top-notch setup. I won't advise you to wait for Conroe, as you already gave your thoughts on that, but i would suggest, if possible that you wait until July 27 or a few days later, as AMD will be lowering prices in response to Conroes debut. You can save a few bucks if you show some patience, unless time constraints won't allow for you to wait. Looks like it should be a great machine. GL :) 


PS. AMD is rapidly dropping the 1MB cache Desktop processors, so if you wait, you'll have to get a 512k cache CPU.
July 6, 2006 7:45:40 AM

Dude Conroe comes out in 8 DAYS. You can't wait a week to pay less for a better chip?
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July 6, 2006 1:33:56 PM

Conroe comes out 27th supposidly, but I am more inclined to think the preorders will receive theirs the first of august or later.

I think its a bad move not to wait for conroe, but even if you dont wait... with some smart shopping you could probably buy an fx-60 with your budget.
July 6, 2006 2:05:45 PM

Only one 250GB HD?

For a system of that scale 250GB of room is going to be far too little I think 320GB with a RAID setup with another HD Backing up is the best for the money.

2 * 320GB SeaGate HD's is about $210.

You'll enjoy the extra space and the protection of two HD's.
July 6, 2006 2:50:38 PM

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Thermaltake toughpower W0105RU ATX12V/ EPS12V 700W $165.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

everything else looks good i would go with xp 64 but i've read there are issues with the x-fi. good luck with the build


I'd stay with the FSP. It's bomber. I like TT cases and have two. But I am unconvinced as of yet about their PS's. The FSP has a great track record.
July 6, 2006 3:03:39 PM

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CPU cooler: Thermaltake Mini Typhoon CL-P0268 92mm


I'd either do the AC or the Zalman.

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TIM: Arctic Silver 5


Since you're going deluxe, get the Ceramique if you get a well-polished HSF.
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RAM: CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 800 4-4-4-12


I'd do OCZ or better yet, mushkin.

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GPU: MSI NX7900GTX-T2D512E Geforce 7900GTX


X1900XT or XTX...

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GPU cooler: ZALMAN VF900 - CU LED 80mm


Why would you pull a 7900GTX HSF for the Zalman? Noise?

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Monitor: LG L203WTX 1:1400 300nits 20.1"


Nice, but I'd save bucks and get the Samsung 1600x1200.

Regardless, you'll have an excellent rig. Too bad you can't hold off a few weeks and cache in on Conroe.
July 6, 2006 3:06:48 PM

I agree. If you can't afford a PCP & P, get a Fortron Source.

And this system will not look like crap when Core 2 comes out. So he won't have the fastest CPU, big effing whoop. I'd like to see some nice, convincing high-res gaming benchmarks before jumping to the "OMG Conroe is out so I must buy a new CPU and motherboard" judgement. At high resolutions, the video card and it's memory will determine performance, not nearly as much the CPU, as everyone is making it out to be.

The difference between a Celeron 1200 and an X2 3800+ will be night and day, but not so between Core 2 and the same chip.

Quit FUDing.
July 6, 2006 3:22:47 PM

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And this system will not look like crap when Core 2 comes out.


Absolutely right. This will be a sweet box. But from my perspective, making such a large investment at this point in time should certainly involve strong consideration for the Conroe. Having sat in front of an OCed Conroe, I can tell you for certain it's the fastest desktop I've ever played with. I look forward to replacing our home office PC with a Conroe and picking up another moderate-to-high performance game box in the process.

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The difference between a Celeron 1200 and an X2 3800+ will be night and day, but not so between Core 2 and the same chip.


Yep. But Core 2 does fly, no doubt about it.

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Quit FUDing.


I'd never FUD with you, mang.
July 6, 2006 3:54:45 PM

Looks good, I'm not sure I would go with the sound card. Most MB have one built in and at your price range you will get a 6.1, but I'm not sure.

And why not go with water cooling while your at it?

Don't forget to add lights!
July 6, 2006 4:28:13 PM

since the performance boost from a Conroe will not be a significant boost the overall performance of most pc uses, i would like to order now in case i have to rma something (i would like to have the system up and running before the end of august...aka...the beginning of school).

when are the dx10 chips scheduled to come out?

thanks for the advice.
July 6, 2006 4:29:09 PM

I wouldn't recommend a WC setup for a college PC. It requires quite a bit of maintenance, and it can be dangerous carting fluid back and forth to college.

Lighting is good, however. I might buy some cathodes this weekend if I feel up to it.
July 6, 2006 4:35:13 PM

i am in high school, but good thought anyway for i will be going i a year or two

should i leave the gpu cooling stock unless i go WC?
July 6, 2006 4:42:37 PM

Yes, the stock cooler really is fine. Much better than Intel's. And using any cooler but the stock one will void your warranty, it says so when you read the documentation.

If you want to use a different cooler that badly, wait until different Zalman coolers come out for AM2. The current ones are too tall, and are the latch on kind, not the kind that get screwed into your backplate. They're secure if you don't move the computer much, but in a bumpy car ride to school it could snap off, breaking the retention clip and damaging everything in the case.

The stock cooler is much lower profile and better if you go to college or lots of LAN parties.

Just use UV reactive cables and UV lights and cathodes. First time people look inside your case they'll think you have tubing running through it. Even more impressive will be the hardware residing in the case. It doesn't matter.
July 6, 2006 4:49:22 PM

for overclocking i have been told that i need upgraded cooling for the am2 and gpu. i am not worried about moving the computer because i am still in high school. i just want the best cooling for my cpu and gpu. i am also not worried about noise, just performance. will my motherboard support dx10?

thanks
July 6, 2006 4:58:36 PM

Well...the best cooling would be phase change, which would cost around $900 for a CPU-only unit. And it's pretty complicated to set up and to make sure you don't get any condensation on your critical parts (like everything in your case).

H20 with peltiers would be second best, but it's even more complicated than phase change and dangerous should you spring a leak.

If you've never built before, stay away from anything but air cooling - 'twill minimize errors.

Air will be more than enough for moderate overclocking. AMD's stock HSFs are actually very effective. And since your work will live on this machine, you aren't going to want to overclock to extreme heights anyway. Not to mention the fact that you won't have any warranty whatsoever after replacing the stock coolers OR overclocking.

I don't think you're aware of what you're getting into if you use anything but air cooling. You could "flush" your hard-earned money down the drain if you're not careful.

If you absolutely have to have extreme cooling, use the stock coolers for a week or two and see how everything works at your preferred overclocks. If temperatures aren't satisfactory, then consider non-stock cooling.
July 6, 2006 5:03:06 PM

what temperatures should i be looking for? i plan to oc cpu to 2800, but do not know the volts, i also plan to oc the gpu as far as i can (i have not heard many results). we have family members and friends who build computers, so i am willing to have a more "complicated" system.

i like the idea of waiting to see the temps. that way if they are way too high i can do wc instead of wasting $100+ on fans.

thanks
July 6, 2006 5:16:47 PM

Something else to consider - how long do you plan on keeping these original parts? If you plan to keep them for a while, do not overclock them as high as they can go! You will loose stability and the lifespan will surely be decreased significantly. And to be perfectly honest, you don't need parts that fast. If you're spending this much on a complete computer, you don't need to overclock at all, really.

I spent about $2200 before rebates on my current computer, and I feel absolutely no need to overclock. I experimented briefly on my video card with a slight overclock in Coolbits, but it was only by a few MHz on core and mem and I had the settings erased on restart. I play FEAR at 1280 x 960 (highest out-of-the-box widescreen resolution it supports) with high/medium details.

The guys with 4.9 GHz overclocks on their CPUs and superclocked SLI/X-Fire setups don't run their computers 24/7 with their schoolwork on them like you and I do. They do it in short bursts to run a benchmark and then they back the overclocks down. To put it bluntly, with a machine like yours, there is absolutely no need to overclock. Unless you're trying to break benchmark records, in which case I suggest you spend about $2,000 more than you intend to now in order to get the kind of parts those guys do.
July 6, 2006 5:24:20 PM

i would like to computer to last 2-3 yrs since i do not usually feel like taking the time to be constanly reviewing new parts, but if some new ground-breaking technology comes out in the next two years, i will be upgrading, but only if my current system will prohibit the use of the software i want.

on over-clocking...i was told that it would decrease life expectancy by a few years and since most chips are designed to last about 10 that i did not need to worry about it unless i was keeping the system for longer that 5 years. though i do plan to still have this system that far down the road, it will have been replaced and only be a secondary system. i would not overclock to the brink of system failure. if that is true, why not overclock. please tell me if i am mistaken.

thanks
July 6, 2006 6:24:47 PM

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i would like to computer to last 2-3 yrs since i do not usually feel like taking the time to be constanly reviewing new parts...

on over-clocking...i was told that it would decrease life expectancy by a few years and since most chips are designed to last about 10 that i did not need to worry about it unless i was keeping the system for longer that 5 years.

i would not overclock to the brink of system failure. if that is true, why not overclock. please tell me if i am mistaken.


You are indeed mistaken. I don't know who told you that parts are supposed to last 10 years, but I'd like to know where the person got his "intel" (no pun intended). Sure, some parts could last 10 years, and you probably won't be using it as your pimary machine that long, but still...

Have some common sense. There is no guarantee that your overclocked chip will last that long, or be stable at that speed, or even reach that speed for that matter. Think about it - you're going to try for 600MHz over stock. That's a lot higher than the chip is meant to go, and you're going to be running it like that for 2-3 years?

Before you overclock, run your favorite games for a week or two at all stock settings - no overclocking. Experiment with settings, find your favorites. Take your time - for $3000, you can afford to wait a while before OCing. After you find your settings, then overclock to your heart's content. By all means, go as high as you can while remaining gaming stable. See how much better it is - without running framerate counters. Go by your perception only, that's important.

If you can't see a noticable difference (I guarantee you won't notice), then take it back down to stock and use those settings. If you do notice (not going by a measured framerate, I remind you), then by all means overclock and leave it there. But I also guarantee that the parts won't last as long as you think they will.

And parts that have been overclocked won't resell as well as non-overclocked parts. Think about it - would you pay the same amount of money for a used CPU that has been overclocked from 2.2GHz to 2.8 as a chip that has been left at stock its entire life?

I'm not saying not to overclock, but I don't think you should go for 600MHz over stock right off the bat - see if you actually, perceptibly need the extra speed before ramping up your speed and voiding your warranty - which I might add will not come back if you return to stock settings.
July 6, 2006 6:38:29 PM

thanks for all of the advice so far. are there any other product related suggestions so i can order? i will worry about oc'ing after i have my system built and runnning smoothly. will my mobo support dx10?

thanks

i got my info from ocforums.com which is where my cousin suggested i go first
July 6, 2006 6:48:29 PM

Change the processor to a 4600+ X2 from newegg. The video card to a X1900XT 512MB, the motherboard to an Asus M2N-E to save you a few bucks, the PSU to the OCZ 700W Power supply they sell at newegg for about $135 with mail-in rebates and instant savings included. The parts I recommend are kinda better than the ones you're planning on buying although cheaper to make up for the money lost by getting a 4600+ X2 Processor.
July 6, 2006 7:09:04 PM

i think that i will wait on the fans and go with the evga 7900gt KO for $235 and then upgrade when the dx10 cards come out. any other suggestions?
July 6, 2006 9:27:57 PM

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since the performance boost from a Conroe will not be a significant boost the overall performance of most pc uses

Make up your mind you also post
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what temperatures should i be looking for? i plan to oc cpu to 2800
If the AMD is fast enough, then why overclock?There will be a significant boost in performance,especially if you overclock the Conroe. Who's been giving you your advice, family members? :roll:
July 6, 2006 9:45:29 PM

family members, family friends who build computers for a living, and advice from different forums
thanks
July 6, 2006 9:51:28 PM

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family members, family friends who build computers for a living, and advice from different forums
thanks
Yet, with all that great advice, you still felt it necessary to start a thread here. Maybe, you like being in the spotlight. "Hey, look at me, i'm gonna get so and so". I don't think you want/need advise, you just want to ramble.
July 6, 2006 10:00:34 PM

but i keep getting conflicting information from all of these sources. i do not want to start building my pc only to find that part x does not work with part y. when you have the reasources to compare several sources untill you find a majority that believes in the same thing (other than wait for Conroe) only then have you exhausted your reasources and are fully prepared to make an educated purchase. this is especially important when you do not have any backround yourself and would like to confirm what people have said. it is just like asking someone what is the best car for snow/ice. some will say the quattro while others will suggest a subaru. i would like to find what the majority think, not what a few (possibly misguided) peole believe. (i may be in this category.)

but thanks for your concern

anyway, can i use AS5 with stock heatsink/fans?

thanks
July 6, 2006 10:51:40 PM

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i would like to find what the majority think, not what a few (possibly misguided) peole believe.


Maybe you should recommend to the mods that the misguided people here have a big "MGP" as their avatar. That would make your job easier. But what happens if only MGPs reply to your questions?
July 6, 2006 10:53:25 PM

case= excellent
mobo= waste of money don't get ASUS many have too many problems concerning with stability. I would recommend Abit (stable and reliable).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
cpu= excellent
cpu cooler= okay
tim= excellent
ram= excellent
hd= okay (look at the page again it's an OEM package I wouldn't recommend that because you might recieve it and it might come defective)
sound card= excellent
dvd-rom= okay
dvd+/-rw= okay (I would recommend either Benq or LightOn because they both make high performing and highly reliable drivers) (they're OEM so be careful
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
card reader= bad (for $25 you can get a 40+ reader)
power supply= bad (unknown company, I would recommend Enermax, highly reliable with over 80% efficiency. You don't need 700W)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
monitor, mouse, keyboard, and speaker= okay
video card= bad (I would recommend the X1900XTX over the 7900GTX it because it out-performs the 7900GTX in almost every category)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Overall your system is okay, but it's not exactly high end, especially today. :D 
July 6, 2006 11:21:38 PM

thank you for your indepth review. does anyone have a fsp psu who is unhappy with it? i have heard great reviews. do i need AS5 when using stock heatsink/fans?

thanks
July 7, 2006 1:09:11 AM

You are fine with your stock cooler, but I would recommend an aftermarket cpu cooler because they provide faster rpm's and better cooling, and if you use your thermal grease with any cooler you'll get excellent temperatures good enough for oc'ing if you like. I really don't think you need a 700W psu, 600+ but < 700 is excellent. Here use this site to help you figure out what's best for your configuration:
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp

What you want from a psu is stability and power. For a system like your's I would recommend enermax (the model I listed above) because it's reliability is above 85% which is better than any other power supply.

Send me some photos of the finished product! :D 
July 7, 2006 1:19:10 AM

Is there any better AM2 system for the price...I have been talking to some other people who say that I should be able to more out of a system in this price range. Can I can save a little money so I can upgrade to a DX10 and water cooling without sacrificing too much performance up front?
July 7, 2006 1:30:54 AM

Don't save your money. First of all watercooling is very unreliable because it requires maintanence and what if you install it wrong and it starts to leak, then you'll ruin all of your components (think about it). Trust me don't wait for DX10 because in order to have DX10 you need to have Windows Vista if I'm not mistaking. :D 
July 7, 2006 1:34:20 AM

by the time Vista comes out, there will hopefully have been enough time for some of the bugs to be worked out of DX10. am i correct that dx10 is scheduled to come out around Q3'06 and Vista around Q1'07?

thanks
July 7, 2006 1:47:56 AM

It doesn't matter when Vista comes out because I'm not planning to purchase it until they workout all the major bugs. So what are you planning to buy?! :D 

Trust me stick with the Enermax psu. :D 
July 7, 2006 1:50:16 AM

My two cents:

- New case, I'd make sure mine had a CPU duct though... personal preference.

- The motherboard isn't bad by any means, I recently used one in a clients computer. The only problem I found with it is that it could only put out 1.95v for the memory. Warning: the memory you chose wants 2.1v! It'll leave you with no overclocking headroom anyways. Be sure to pick a different motherboard!

- Nice processor, I'd save and go 4200+ as most of my clients run them at 4400+ speeds with no voltage increase. Some are unlucky and need to bump it up just a hair, but that's it.

Other than that, you have a insane rig.

DX10 cards are rumored to come out between Q3'06-Q1'07. I'd wait for Vista to be released before you buy the card though: that way you'll be sure the major bugs are worked out and everything.
July 7, 2006 1:55:49 AM

Here is my 3K unit:

LINK

Now to explain why:

Case: Your choice. Good one.

Motherboard: Same as the ASUS, overclocks just as well, is cheaper.

GPU: Second best, and just OC the thing to XTX and beyond.

PSU: FSP, and loaded with watts; quad 12V

CPU: Why go with the 4600+ if you are overclocking?!?!

Memory: Cheap, 2GB of DDR800, XMS, tho the name means sh!t

Memory Card Reader: Picked a black one that had everything

HDD: Put 'em in RAID 0; BOOM: You got Raptor speeds with 320GB of storage

Keyboard: Lights up. Ooooh/Ahhhhh

Monitor: I have this monitor, kicks some major as$

Mouse: Supposedly the best, and I like the color blue.

DVD Burners: Got you two, just in case. Got Lightscribe and'll burn damn near everything pretty fast.

Sound Card: Hey, if you are going X-Fi, why not get 64MB of ram with it?

OS: Media Center for that extra "glitz". Can be changed.

Thermal Compound: Beats the living he!! out of Arctic Silver

CPU Fan: Cheap, good, compatible with AM2. ( I think, if not get the Zalman CNPS9500 AM2 Edition w/ green LEDs)

Speakers: I like 'em.

$2,785.34 BEFORE REBATES.

TOTAL PRICE:

$2,680.34

And upgrade what you don't like, or spend the extra moolah on some text books and tution so you don't fail. Everything is in stock, unless they ran out in the last 5 minutes, so you can buy now.

~Ibrahim~
July 7, 2006 1:58:15 AM

would the 1mb cache per core be helpful for gaming/photo editing/school projects?

thanks
July 7, 2006 2:32:27 AM

Yes 1mb per core is perfect for video editing as well as gaming. Why? What are you planning to get already?! :D 
July 7, 2006 2:34:05 AM

What are you trying to say or prove here, ikjadoon?

Wait. That's not your system you liar that's your wish list on newegg! HAHAHAHA! What a n00b! :D 
July 7, 2006 3:02:44 AM

are all of those pieces compatible? if so that is an excellent configuration :) 
i think i will change the 160gb for 250 since they are the same price, get a 7900gt gpu since they are about $100 cheaper and it will only have to last a few months, upgraded ram, get different mouse/keyboard (personal preference), and get a 1mb cache cpu. but you really get performance for the price...much better than i could have come up with by myself

thanks
July 7, 2006 3:05:33 AM

That configuration is terrible. He has no idea what he's talking about. He just chose anything he saw. Besides that's his wish list he didn't actually purchase all of that. LOL! :D 
July 7, 2006 3:17:11 AM

what is wrong with it, besides what i changed? parts got good reviews, great bang for buck :?:
July 7, 2006 3:28:44 AM

Why? The system you configured is way better than that piece of sh*t he chose. Like I said that's not his system it's his Newegg wishlist! LOL! :D 
July 7, 2006 3:35:47 AM

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Monitor: I have this monitor, kicks some major as$


Wow, must be a personal preference thing. I looked at that and wondered why it cost almost double the price of my Samsung 1600x1200 20". I liked the grey through black and general color rendition better on the Samsung. The NEC does have loads of detail but I was worried it might cause fatigue.
July 7, 2006 3:39:11 AM

could you please explain why that configuration is so bad? i changed some parts that i disagreed with and i believe that the configuration seems really good for the money. (please do not tell me that he does not have the system, i would like to know about the hardware, not your personal problems.)

thanks
July 7, 2006 5:06:16 AM

Ok $3000 is alot of money and can buy a awsome computer that will not be needed to upgrade for years to come as long as you shop right

If your gonna drop 3k you really really really should wait for conroe or the amd prices to drop to save some serious cash people will just not get that they can save hundreds by waiting weeks

Case Coolmaster Stacker 830 $239 $209 after MIR
Motherboard Gigabyte GQ6 Conroe Mobo
Asus M2N-E You can upgrade to their sli mobo $50 More
Gigabytes board is probly gonna be around 250 i think there will be a lower model not quad but it will still be kick ass and about $ 70 cheaper
The asus is $90
Processer
Conroe E6600 $300 possibly
Amd X2 3800+ $297 Atleast $200 when conroe is released
Hardrive
Seagate 160 Gig Get 2 and put in raid 0 $130 320 gig
Ram
Corsair 2GB 2 x 1
$250 High Performance Ram
Video Card
1800XT 256 Mb $259 $230 after 30 mir great card if you want to wait for dx10 cards although dx10 wont be put to use in games for years

Mouse
Logitech G5 $45
#http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...]
Keyboard
Microsoft Natural 4000 $50
Cd/Dvd Burner
Nec 16X $35
Thats $1552 for the conroe setup and $1298 that leaves more then 1.5k for everything else and your system will run all the newest games for atleast 2 years after you get the dx10 card :lol: 
July 7, 2006 5:07:50 AM

DONT THROW AWAY YOUR MONEY!

Buy 3800x2 and 7900GT or X1800XT and OC them... you'll be fine.
In a year or two a 7900GT or GTX will be the same shit.
Like the X800XT and PE, or the 6800GT and Ultra.
Remember the GF4Ti4200 -> 4600. Can you see any difference now?
It's a good idea to wait for conroe because AMD will drop their prices about 50%. So go for conroe or amd whichever you like.
Small Typhoon is not good I have seen some reviews. Get the Big Typhoon it's great.
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