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July 6, 2006 6:32:36 AM

O.k. Hello guys first time to the forums, so I don't know where to put this post.
So let me tell you my short story. I'm a high school student soon to graduate but I'm taking graphic design classes. I use Maya and some 3DsMax to do most of my projects. But I run a Dell 8300 @ 3 Ghz with 512 Mb and a Nvidia FX5200 128 Mb AGP graphics card with 120 Gb HDD at home. For some reason the programs run slowly and/or give the blue screen. Also the computer runs slow period and would crash periodically when im not doing anything. :(  So I told to buy an Apple to do the design work and also told to wait for the Intel versions to come out but I seriously don't have that kind of money to spend on those computers. So should I buy spring in and buy an Apple or build one or what do you guys think? I would be thankful if you guys could help me.

Thanks in advance.
-Chris

P.S. I'm also gamer but not extreme like SLI if that helps at all.

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July 6, 2006 6:39:57 AM

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O.k. Hello guys first time to the forums, so I don't know where to put this post.
So let me tell you my short story. I'm a high school student soon to graduate but I'm taking graphic design classes. I use Maya and some 3DsMax to do most of my projects. But I run a Dell 8300 @ 3 Ghz with 512 Mb and a Nvidia FX5200 128 Mb AGP graphics card with 120 Gb HDD at home. For some reason the programs run slowly and/or give the blue screen. Also the computer runs slow period and would crash periodically when im not doing anything. :(  So I told to buy an Apple to do the design work and also told to wait for the Intel versions to come out but I seriously don't have that kind of money to spend on those computers. So should I buy spring in and buy an Apple or build one or what do you guys think? I would be thankful if you guys could help me.

Thanks in advance.
-Chris

P.S. I'm also gamer but not extreme like SLI if that helps at all.
Well, this is a bad time for you to update, as Intel and AMD are in the midst of revamping their lineups. But running 512MB of RAM is a joke, and i would suggest that , using the apps you do, you get 2GB of RAM. 2x1GB sticks would be the best configuration. The problem is, whether you want to spend the money on memory, or just upgrade to a more powerful machine instead. Your best bet, performance-wise would be to wait for a month or so, and get a Conroe setup.
July 6, 2006 7:29:59 AM

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O.k. Hello guys first time to the forums, so I don't know where to put this post.
So let me tell you my short story. I'm a high school student soon to graduate but I'm taking graphic design classes. I use Maya and some 3DsMax to do most of my projects. But I run a Dell 8300 @ 3 Ghz with 512 Mb and a Nvidia FX5200 128 Mb AGP graphics card with 120 Gb HDD at home. For some reason the programs run slowly and/or give the blue screen. Also the computer runs slow period and would crash periodically when im not doing anything. :(  So I told to buy an Apple to do the design work and also told to wait for the Intel versions to come out but I seriously don't have that kind of money to spend on those computers. So should I buy spring in and buy an Apple or build one or what do you guys think? I would be thankful if you guys could help me.

Thanks in advance.
-Chris

P.S. I'm also gamer but not extreme like SLI if that helps at all.


Well you can do two things:
1. upgrade your video card and add at least another 512mb of ram. Get a mid-range or old highend video card.
2. build a new one. Grab like a Pentium D, mid-range video card, 1gig of ram(min) and other components.

Yes true new processors coming out but often times of hardware the recently "old hardware" is still good and the new ones coming out are a tad "overkill". It would make sense to wait but if you don't play with high res on your games then it won't matter.

BTW i am in the same position(graphic designer) and mine runs fine. I have a xp 2500+, 1 gig ram, radeon 9600 for the moment. No problems. Really your problem was not enough ram and a very weak(crappy) video card.
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July 6, 2006 8:26:25 AM

You might be best served as others have said getting a lower end Core 2 Duo system, or an AM2 X2 system both of which will help enormously with your 3D design work, and won't be too bad for games as well.

Look to run 2gb of RAM and get a nice fast HDD.
July 6, 2006 8:54:26 AM

The HDD is probably 7200rpm right? Because his system isnt that old. Get some more ram and as a video card (don't know for sure on AGP) get something like a x850pro they arent that expensive anymore.
July 6, 2006 9:26:25 AM

Two things we need to know to be able to help is your budget and when exactly do you want this setup. If you can wait a while, i suggest getting a conroe, haven't seen anything bad about them. If you can't at least upgrade your ram and video card.
July 6, 2006 11:02:11 AM

Well Thank you all for helping. And my budget is a little over $1000 to be more exact like no more than $1500. And i would like this setup as soon as possible. Because i tired of the crashes and what knot and laggish performance. But is waiting for the Core 2 worth it as the other guy mention?
Thanks
July 10, 2006 4:52:47 AM

Personally I'm an AMD guy but i don't act like a fanboy like alot of people on this forum. I for one can accept that the Core 2 Duo is WAY better than anything that AMD has to offer in any price range. Until AMD comes up with a new solution I'll suggest to anyone to get Core 2.
July 10, 2006 6:03:34 PM

$1,000 is more than enough man:

E6400
2GB DDR2-800 Corsair XMS or OCZ Gold RAM
X1900XT 512MB
Mobo that will support Kentsfield processors
Case you want
AT least 550W Power supply

It's a very nice system and will do very well for gaming and the designing you do.
July 10, 2006 6:31:26 PM

If your computer crashes, the chances are its faulty. I dont care how much people whine about Windows being bad, on a 100% working system, XP rarely if ever crashes.

I've got a 3.2Ghz Pentium IV system that I build myself, its starting to get quite old now, (role on conroe so I can get a nice upgrade), and I can count the number of bluescreens I've had on 1 hand.

My brothers Dell on the other hand often bluescreens. I have some doubt about the quality of dells quality control sometimes.

I'd wait a few more weeks, and then build your own system based on Core 2 Duo. If you want maximum stability and are not interested in overclocking, then Intel's own branded motherboards are normally extremely stable, and reliable.
July 10, 2006 7:09:18 PM

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what can you spend? an apple mac mini is 700 - 800 dollars.
also your dell is probably fine do a disk defrag and get more memory and see what happens
He does want to upgrade.
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July 10, 2006 7:24:10 PM

If you don't have alot of money to spend, get a gig of ram and a better video card. One with 512 memory if you can afford it.
July 10, 2006 7:58:02 PM

Hello Chris, like Computerburglar before, I think it's not so mich your cpu that's the problem here.

Get more memory, at least 1GB total or even better, 2GB total memory. These applications use as much memory as you can give them.

I also think getting a more powerful GPU would help. When you look at the system requirement for 3dsMax, it says: "OpenGL and Direct3D hardware acceleration supported: 3D graphic accelerator 1280*1024*32-bit color with 256MB recommended.". So it become quite obvious that your VPU is most probably slowing you down also. You can easily get a Radeon 9600Pro for less than 80$ these day if money is hard coming for you. Or a Radeon X1600 for less than 150$m which should be better at both 3dsMax and gaming.

Here's the link, go check page 4: http://images.autodesk.com/adsk/files/3dsMax8_techspec_...

Start with this, and then think about a new cpu.
July 10, 2006 8:27:07 PM

Before you buy anymore new components, strip all the Dell installed bloatware off the machine. Anything that is not critical to the functioning of the pc, use add/remove programs from system properties. After that look, up date your drivers through Dell only. Finally do a virus scan and a spyware scan (you may need to download either ad-aware or spybot). Afterwards, you should see a noticeable difference in the performance of your computer. If not, upgrading the amount of memory all ways helps. You only need to upgrade the graphics card if your gonna play games. Otherwise what you have is fine. Also, find out if your motherboard accepts SATA hard drives. If it does, replace your current ones and add two need drives and put them in a RAID 0 configuration. I guarantee with a RAID 0 configuration you will notice the difference.

To sum up: remove bloatware, do virus/spyware scan, upgrade memory to 1GB (always helps), and upgrade hard drives to SATA RAID 0 (highly recommended).
July 10, 2006 8:36:25 PM

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You only need to upgrade the graphics card if your gonna play games.


False, go check my post above to see that at least 3dsMax use hardware 3D acceleration. I have to admit tough that I don't know the performance gain of it, or between different VPU model.

Anybody knows?
July 10, 2006 9:05:03 PM

Because he was suggested it does anyone know alot about Macs here that could suggest him one?

But, what I would like to know is, will there be an Imac or newly announced Emac that runs Conroe? With Apple's fairly recent switch to Intel Processors I see it as a possibility.
July 11, 2006 12:07:37 AM

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If your computer crashes, the chances are its faulty. I dont care how much people whine about Windows being bad, on a 100% working system, XP rarely if ever crashes.

I've got a 3.2Ghz Pentium IV system that I build myself, its starting to get quite old now, (role on conroe so I can get a nice upgrade), and I can count the number of bluescreens I've had on 1 hand.

My brothers Dell on the other hand often bluescreens. I have some doubt about the quality of dells quality control sometimes.

I'd wait a few more weeks, and then build your own system based on Core 2 Duo. If you want maximum stability and are not interested in overclocking, then Intel's own branded motherboards are normally extremely stable, and reliable.


On my Dell, I have had 7 and counting...:lol: 
July 11, 2006 12:08:50 AM

Boy. Macs? :? Have you seen what kind of Intel processors are in there right now and how much they cost?
July 11, 2006 10:02:59 AM

I'll start by saying that I am an AMD fan, so here is my current build at Newegg (if you cant wait) -

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=3571927&WishListTitle=Gamers+Rig+%2D+Socket+AM2

I have some things in there you could obviously lose (UV lighting, etc), but the basic components are there and 2GB of RAM with a high end video card (not highest). The AMD chip is very cheap, but the socket will allow future upgrades when your budget allows. Im sure the guys here will let you know where you can trim the fat off of my rig.

The key point of my rig is this - Socket and SLI are upgradeable in the future, as well as two more banks of RAM. Well within the budget you quoted. Mine was built for gaming with future upgrades in mind. Suggest the single core chip over duals atm. Duals will only come down in pricing and not many apps can fully tax the chips properly (until Vista arrives).

hope this helps.
July 11, 2006 11:41:22 AM

Two floppie drives? :o  Renaissance man.....
a b B Homebuilt system
July 11, 2006 12:40:28 PM

Man, if you plan on doing anything other than running your 3D apps, don't buy a Mac. Even our die hard Mac fanboys at the office that just had to have new G5's a few years back are now using PC's and the freakin $7000 Macs are sitting around collecting dust. The only reason we even still have them is occasionally, and I mean very occasionally, we get sent a file in Mac format from a client.
July 11, 2006 12:51:56 PM

I can't speak much about Max as I don't use it day to day, but Maya wise your specs are definitely going to struggle.

Some good news is that what version of Maya you are using can assist with specs. If you plan on using all the features of Unlimited (hair, fur, advanced animation features) and to render that out you need a higher basic spec than if you are just working in PLE etc and are not planning on rendering / doing a lot of animation.

Whichever you are working on, your current memory is simply inadequate and will account, almost by itself, for the errors and crashes you are getting.

If you are working seriously a regular 3d card won't cut it and is not supported, you need a workstation level card for advanced work. The main benefit in something like a Quadro card however is in viewport work; they let you work on far more complex scenes. Still, most people are not doing that at home.

Given also that those are some serious cards (and cost some serious cash) and (as they are not designed for it) actually run most games on a multiple use PC like a pile of 4 year old undies, a lot of people run on a hobbyist/learning basis with 'regular' hardware. You can run learning standard Maya perfectly decently on a 7900GT.

Your biggest decision needs to be whether you want to build what is in effect a workstation or build a regular 'all things to all men' PC and compromise on some features in 3d apps. If you are thinking workstation for the purpose of 3D you need to think about multiple core Mobos etc and specialist cards and you can easily burn 6-10k without a second thought (which is a bit pointless for home use). If you go dual dual core on a current Opteron chip I'd recommend Mobos along the lines of the Tyan Tiger K8WE or the Tyan Thunder K8WE (but down that road lies EEC registered RAM and lord knows what else).

As you are currently pre grad (and unless you are loaded with cash in which case send us all some) I'd recommend a multi use spec that satisfies all you want from a PC, with emphasis on memory and CPU grunt and a decent graphics card. You can consider a 64bit O/S as the memory can use it, but it may not suit your home use in other apps. Talking only 939 (which is now being superceded) you can get pretty decent home performance (and some people make some cash from) Maya with a X24800 chip.

Definitely go dual core (dual on a single core) though, whether that be AMD or Intel as, although viewport speed isn't so much subject to it, rendering certainly is.

Whether to get a Mac or not depends on whether you want to live day to day with Macs..I use both at work but I have PC's at home. A Maya level Mac will cost you a lot more than building a PC yourself.

I'd recommend a specialist 3d forum for more advice on 3d apps and specs. You might find CG talk helpful, a lot of industry pros hang out on (and recruit on, speaks the living proof) on those boards.

http://www.cgsociety.org/

I'd also recommend waiting for Conroe / AMD2 price drops before investing in new stuff for 3d...home users already have to stretch to run these apps, may as well see if the cash stretches further than you hoped. Speaking from experience you will end up with a number of machines, and that's after staring at them for 12 hours at work, so bang for buck is always best :) 

Good luck with the 3d.
July 11, 2006 1:40:08 PM

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I'll start by saying that I am an AMD fan, so here is my current build at Newegg (if you cant wait) -

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=3571927&WishListTitle=Gamers+Rig+%2D+Socket+AM2

I have some things in there you could obviously lose (UV lighting, etc), but the basic components are there and 2GB of RAM with a high end video card (not highest). The AMD chip is very cheap, but the socket will allow future upgrades when your budget allows. Im sure the guys here will let you know where you can trim the fat off of my rig.

The key point of my rig is this - Socket and SLI are upgradeable in the future, as well as two more banks of RAM. Well within the budget you quoted. Mine was built for gaming with future upgrades in mind. Suggest the single core chip over duals atm. Duals will only come down in pricing and not many apps can fully tax the chips properly (until Vista arrives).

hope this helps.


I totally disagree.

First, wait 1 more month before upgrading and get a Core2Duo over AMD if it's performances and good price you want. The E6600 (300-350$) will generally outperform the A64FX-62 (1000$) in most application (I'd say around 60% of them, mostly encoding and gaming).

Second, make sure to get a dual-core cpu, if again you want to go that route, because 3dsMax can make good use of it. I guess Maya also can, otherwise it would lag the technology curve in that area. You'll get performances advantage that'll be more than worth the extra cash spent.

My 2 cents! :wink:
July 11, 2006 2:18:49 PM

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Two floppie drives? :o  Renaissance man.....


Right, one is only for setup (old school) to flash the bios. The other is a multicomponent so hooks up to a USB2.0 inside, that is better installed after the OS is up and running.
July 11, 2006 3:05:53 PM

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what can you spend? an apple mac mini is 700 - 800 dollars.


Uh yeah and you think those can handle programs like Maya? Macs in the 3D design area are no longer on the level they used to be except for the G5 towers that still use PowerPCs. Most of what made Macs so good at that stuff was the 32 MMX registers they have compared to Intel/AMDs 8. Granted dual core gives 16 total plus an extra core to work on. Now when Conroe comes out and they start replacing the G5s in the towers, it'll probably make up for it. But even a $700-800 dollar Mac mini with a PowerPC processor is gonna suck at that stuff since it'd probably have maybe 512MB of RAM and shitty integrated graphics.
July 11, 2006 3:54:29 PM

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I totally disagree.


Like I said in mine though - I built it for gaming and I prefer AMD as a rule. As I happened to have a rig built atm, I figured that might help him, if he chose to go the AMD route.

Since I dont delve into the other stuff, im sure you guys have much better advice. If going the Intel route, I hear the Conroe is incredible, but have yet to see much real benchmarking competition yet.
July 11, 2006 4:21:37 PM

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I totally disagree.


Like I said in mine though - I built it for gaming and I prefer AMD as a rule. As I happened to have a rig built atm, I figured that might help him, if he chose to go the AMD route.

Since I dont delve into the other stuff, im sure you guys have much better advice. If going the Intel route, I hear the Conroe is incredible, but have yet to see much real benchmarking competition yet.

I totally respect your opinion. Aren't we here to talk about it, otherwise I wouldn't be here. Do not take it personal, it isn't and I might also be wrong. We're just arguing, and that's what I like, to exchange ideas.

My point is, you should prefer the company that has the best cpu for the right price. In your case, AMD is gonna get killed by Core2Duo when it'll come out at the end of the month. Actually, that'll be where it'll have the best advantage over AMD when not limited by the VPU. If I was gonna buy today or I'd die, I'd go for AMD all the way, but 10 day isn't htat long.

Go check this thread for more informations: http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/Collection-Conr...

Even the 300$ E6600 will kill A64FX-62 in most benchmark.
July 11, 2006 4:37:31 PM

Im not 100% against intel. Where are these benchmark tests you refer to tho?

I dont take it personal, but I doubt AMD will be "killed" by the new chip. At most, they will take a stock hit along with some sales hits.

And his article did state: I cant wait anymore ...

I read that as "I need to buy now". If waiting was an option, then I suggest giving the Conroe a month on the market to see what happens as well.
July 11, 2006 6:55:58 PM

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Im not 100% against intel. Where are these benchmark tests you refer to tho?

I dont take it personal, but I doubt AMD will be "killed" by the new chip. At most, they will take a stock hit along with some sales hits.

And his article did state: I cant wait anymore ...

I read that as "I need to buy now". If waiting was an option, then I suggest giving the Conroe a month on the market to see what happens as well.


I tought you didn't take it personnal, I was trying to make sure you didn't.

Like I said, 10 days really isn't much. Unless you change your computer every 60 day or so.

For the benchmark, go see the thread I added, there is a whole bunch of them at the beginning of it. Pretty recent for some of them to add. There is one picture that enlarge when yoy click it. That'll be a good start.

Plus, I wasn't saying that AMD will loose in all benchmark. But honestly, from what we've seen up to now, it's gonna be even worst than when Intel released the PentiumD against A64X2, just the opposite way. You'll see that, surprisingly if you ask me, where Intel seems to dominate the most is in gaming benchmark. Even some of AMD's favorites, like UnrealTournament2004, are now owned by Intel Core2Duo. Encoding of different kind are also back on Intel side by anywhere from 0 to 40% better speed, 15-20 average.

But, true, if you consider the 30 or so day it usually takes to get enough compatible mobo and cpu everywhere, it might make sense to go AMD way. But just for what you'll save to get the same performances, I'd say it'll be better to wait. Take the extra cash in your pocket to get a better VPU, or even SLI or Crossfire set-up.
July 11, 2006 7:25:14 PM

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BTW i am in the same position(graphic designer) and mine runs fine. I have a xp 2500+, 1 gig ram, radeon 9600 for the moment. No problems. Really your problem was not enough ram and a very weak(crappy) video card.


Pot calling kettle black....


I have my gf running 3dsmax 9 is it? and the adobe suite and all the other artsy frtsy stuff on a p4ht 3.0e 478, 512 corsair, and raid0. His main thing is the dell PSu, and a raid0 helps rendering alot. Like time reduced by at least 35%. So snag up a dual core anything, a cheap board, any 2Gb ram setup, and a good PSu and better case. I'd go with firegl, or if you can afford it, a quadro on the vid card.
July 11, 2006 7:54:53 PM

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are you saying your current rig is better than a mac mini core 2?
i think its a hefty upgrade from his dell for 700 or 800 dollars

1) It’s a Core Duo not Core 2
2) only has 512MB of RAM
3) 80GB hard drive
4) integrated graphics and sound

So yes, I am saying my rig is better than a Mac Mini.
July 11, 2006 8:43:31 PM

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are you saying your current rig is better than a mac mini core 2?
i think its a hefty upgrade from his dell for 700 or 800 dollars

1) It’s a Core Duo not Core 2
2) only has 512MB of RAM
3) 80GB hard drive
4) integrated graphics and sound

So yes, I am saying my rig is better than a Mac Mini.

It's like 6 mac mini's set up on a render farm. You win the award for iFanboy of the day!
July 11, 2006 11:31:10 PM

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BTW i am in the same position(graphic designer) and mine runs fine. I have a xp 2500+, 1 gig ram, radeon 9600 for the moment. No problems. Really your problem was not enough ram and a very weak(crappy) video card.


Pot calling kettle black....


I have my gf running 3dsmax 9 is it? and the adobe suite and all the other artsy frtsy stuff on a p4ht 3.0e 478, 512 corsair, and raid0. His main thing is the dell PSu, and a raid0 helps rendering alot. Like time reduced by at least 35%. So snag up a dual core anything, a cheap board, any 2Gb ram setup, and a good PSu and better case. I'd go with firegl, or if you can afford it, a quadro on the vid card.

512mb memory is simply not enough to do serious 3d work in Max or Maya in any iteration since version 3. People can always say 'this is minimum spec and mine works fine' but it really depends what your definition of 'fine' is. A PSU really has nothing to do with it either (if it correctly powers your setup). The issues the OP is having are more likely to be related to memory and graphics, not PSUs and RAID arrays.

A workstation card is not that necessary, it really depends what you want to use your PC for (see comments above). One really has to weigh up 'bang for buck' and 'grab yourself a Quadro' really doesn't assist with that.

I am not sure how a thread asking about PC parts degenerates into Intel/Mac/AMD fan abuse but that's the way of the world I suppose.
July 12, 2006 12:37:51 AM

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BTW i am in the same position(graphic designer) and mine runs fine. I have a xp 2500+, 1 gig ram, radeon 9600 for the moment. No problems. Really your problem was not enough ram and a very weak(crappy) video card.


Pot calling kettle black....


I have my gf running 3dsmax 9 is it? and the adobe suite and all the other artsy frtsy stuff on a p4ht 3.0e 478, 512 corsair, and raid0. His main thing is the dell PSu, and a raid0 helps rendering alot. Like time reduced by at least 35%. So snag up a dual core anything, a cheap board, any 2Gb ram setup, and a good PSu and better case. I'd go with firegl, or if you can afford it, a quadro on the vid card.

512mb memory is simply not enough to do serious 3d work in Max or Maya in any iteration since version 3. People can always say 'this is minimum spec and mine works fine' but it really depends what your definition of 'fine' is. A PSU really has nothing to do with it either (if it correctly powers your setup). The issues the OP is having are more likely to be related to memory and graphics, not PSUs and RAID arrays.

A workstation card is not that necessary, it really depends what you want to use your PC for (see comments above). One really has to weigh up 'bang for buck' and 'grab yourself a Quadro' really doesn't assist with that.

I am not sure how a thread asking about PC parts degenerates into Intel/Mac/AMD fan abuse but that's the way of the world I suppose.

Issues he's having? I'm not trying to fix his current setup. He wants to build a rig, so I recommend something I know work for sure.

512 is enough if you raid0 and run a nice size page file. don't down raid. It is recommended for all people who do heavy encoding cause your hdd is the slowest part of pc, period. And yes, more ram never hurts, but I recommended 2 Gb. Learn to read before you flame.

Well, I guess that you didn't understand 'if you can aford it'..., I was letting him know of a high end option he may have not heard of before. Again, he's asking for lot's of different recomendations. The more options someone has, the more likely they are to end up with something they like than not.

Where did I go Bad on Intel? I was comparing his 9800 to the other card and saying it's just as bad. So, again, where did I go to fanboy abuse?

Try not to abuse drugs anymore, they don't help a lost cause. J/K
July 12, 2006 1:45:14 AM

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BTW i am in the same position(graphic designer) and mine runs fine. I have a xp 2500+, 1 gig ram, radeon 9600 for the moment. No problems. Really your problem was not enough ram and a very weak(crappy) video card.


Pot calling kettle black....


I have my gf running 3dsmax 9 is it? and the adobe suite and all the other artsy frtsy stuff on a p4ht 3.0e 478, 512 corsair, and raid0. His main thing is the dell PSu, and a raid0 helps rendering alot. Like time reduced by at least 35%. So snag up a dual core anything, a cheap board, any 2Gb ram setup, and a good PSu and better case. I'd go with firegl, or if you can afford it, a quadro on the vid card.

512mb memory is simply not enough to do serious 3d work in Max or Maya in any iteration since version 3. People can always say 'this is minimum spec and mine works fine' but it really depends what your definition of 'fine' is. A PSU really has nothing to do with it either (if it correctly powers your setup). The issues the OP is having are more likely to be related to memory and graphics, not PSUs and RAID arrays.

A workstation card is not that necessary, it really depends what you want to use your PC for (see comments above). One really has to weigh up 'bang for buck' and 'grab yourself a Quadro' really doesn't assist with that.

I am not sure how a thread asking about PC parts degenerates into Intel/Mac/AMD fan abuse but that's the way of the world I suppose.

Issues he's having? I'm not trying to fix his current setup. He wants to build a rig, so I recommend something I know work for sure.

512 is enough if you raid0 and run a nice size page file. don't down raid. It is recommended for all people who do heavy encoding cause your hdd is the slowest part of pc, period. And yes, more ram never hurts, but I recommended 2 Gb. Learn to read before you flame.

Well, I guess that you didn't understand 'if you can aford it'..., I was letting him know of a high end option he may have not heard of before. Again, he's asking for lot's of different recomendations. The more options someone has, the more likely they are to end up with something they like than not.

Where did I go Bad on Intel? I was comparing his 9800 to the other card and saying it's just as bad. So, again, where did I go to fanboy abuse?

Try not to abuse drugs anymore, they don't help a lost cause. J/K

The high end options were noted above. I understand if you had no interest in reading anyones posts except the ones you wanted to fight with, but they were.

I did not flame you at all.

512mb of RAM is simply not enough to seriously pursue 3d apps like Max and Maya, whether you RAID or not.

I don't really mind if you think it is (whether you think it or not is naturally of no matter to me, I work in the industry and can say with certainty it isn't in my experience, not that that should matter to you in return) but its a shame to 'advise' other posters of things that are not factually accurate as you have.

As for the drugs 'joke' well..whatever.
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