The most essential skills in the game?

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We all have different opinions, and I'd like to hear some different ones.

These are the skills I can absolutely not do without. In fact, if I started
a new character, I would be sure to spend some money early on to get a good
head start:

1. Alteration. One can never underestimate the importance of water walking
and levitation.
2. Sneak. It isn't used often, but it is a difficult skill to master.
Plus, it is the only way to accomplish certain objectives.
3. Restoration. I find it much easier to use a spell than to carry a pouch
full of potions.
4. Speachcraft. fairly easy to obtain, but it's going to cost money any
way one looks at it.
5. Acrobatics. A very easy skill to obtain, and very valuable as well.

Thoughts?

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bryan K wrote:
>
> We all have different opinions, and I'd like to hear some different ones.
>
> These are the skills I can absolutely not do without. In fact, if I started
> a new character, I would be sure to spend some money early on to get a good
> head start:
>
> 1. Alteration. One can never underestimate the importance of water walking
> and levitation.
> 2. Sneak. It isn't used often, but it is a difficult skill to master.
> Plus, it is the only way to accomplish certain objectives.
> 3. Restoration. I find it much easier to use a spell than to carry a pouch
> full of potions.
> 4. Speachcraft. fairly easy to obtain, but it's going to cost money any
> way one looks at it.
> 5. Acrobatics. A very easy skill to obtain, and very valuable as well.

I agree about Alteration, Sneak, Speechcraft. It's easier to take the
peaceful path if you have high speechcraft, and it's easier to incite a
fight, too.

I always like to be able to mark/recall reliably as soon as possible.
High Security skill is useful. I like to get my Enchant up as soon as I
can. I also depend a lot on Long Sword. It seems like the best swords
in the game are all long swords, starting with the iron sparksword you
take off of the dead fallen mage (outside Seyda Neen). I never get past
level one before I grab that sword!

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Personally the single most useful skill for me to date has been
Google

;-)

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Making my current char I was torn between Alteration. Eventually ended
against it and took Alchemy yet again. I love to explore and so I had a
huge stash of most ingridients hidden away for those higher lvl's. When
I indeed had over 200 of all basic restore fatigue ingredients and some
other common ones I blasted away and shot my way up several levels. At
30 or so I made levitates, water walkings and water breathings from 100
ingredients. and after that healings from over 150 igredients. Now I'm a
few lvl's away from 50 and my potion stash wont run out anytime soon. I
have a pile of 20 of each of the kind of potions with me all the time
(weight 0.0-0.3) and lots more at a stash where I can refill. Also
constatly making new ones.

In my view Alchemy is a great way around Alteration and can be a nice
support on alot of other too. For instance I dont like having to switch
to casting healing spells in the middle of a fight but would rather just
quaff potions.

about making potions: I never make a single potion. Single potions fill
up too much of the inventory screen. Collect a pile of atleast 20 when
making potions I say.

-M

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John Henders wrote:
> In <c9rk7k$j74$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi> Miika Turtiainen <miika.turtiainen@kymp.net> writes:
>
>
>>about making potions: I never make a single potion. Single potions fill
>>up too much of the inventory screen. Collect a pile of atleast 20 when
>>making potions I say.
>
>
> The only problem is you usually level up alchemy half way through a run
> of 20 and end up with 2 stacks.
>

well I dont know... I usually have stacks of 15-20. They last nicely
through the time it takes for me to build up enough stuff to come back
to my manor. So no probs there.but it is a pain in the arse when you get
tons of small piles. It's just leveling hight enough to get enough right
at a time...

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Lets not forget about the wonderful skill of unarmored! What better way to
save money or time? If you don't have armor to buy you can spend your cash
on much better things..such as the wonderful amulet of recall (granted, it
only costs about 100 gold) or a new restore health enchantment for you
exquisite shirt. Has anyone found a real use for the conjuration line of
spells? Summoning pets that can't atack unless attacked seems kinda useless,
y'know? and the mobs never aggro your pet either, just you. And if you're an
unarmored caster like me, you need that extra tankage!

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"AJ" <wanink@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> Has anyone found a real use for the conjuration line of
> spells? Summoning pets that can't atack unless attacked seems kinda useless,
> y'know?

Once a creature is summoned, , attacking the enemy with a really weak
spell is all you need to do in order to get your creature to fight
them.

Alternatively, you could toss a cheap knife at them... or whatever.

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ToolPackinMama wrote:

> I prefer conjuration to alchemy, when it comes to making easy
> money.

I'd hesitate to leave out either of these two. Which means I simply
must make a character next without them. and security. and marksman. and
enchant. hmmmm...

-M

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ToolPackinMama wrote:

> Miika Turtiainen wrote:
>
>>ToolPackinMama wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I prefer conjuration to alchemy, when it comes to making easy
>>>money.
>>
>>I'd hesitate to leave out either of these two. Which means I simply
>>must make a character next without them.
>
>
> Masochist.

I like playing the underdog

If you've ever stumbled on Diablo 2 and it's expansion you'd propably
repeat your estimate of me when I tell you my favourite character is an
all poison-skill Necromancer

-M

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* "AJ" <wanink@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
|
| Has anyone found a real use for the conjuration line of spells?

Yes. I'm playing a mage-type character born under The Atronach birthsign,
which means I can't regenerate magicka while resting. Whenever my magicka
is running low, I cast Summon Ancestral Ghost, then punch him a couple of
times in his immaterial face. He then starts attacking me with spells,
and a few seconds later my magicka is fully restored. :-)

Summoning tougher creatures is also helpful when fighting several tough
enemies at once, for example when you have to fight Gothren to become
Telvanni Hortator. He has two Dremora bodyguards, so I thought it only
fair to summon two Dremora bodyguards of my own.

--
Lars Haugseth

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Dennis Curtis wrote:
>
> You got that right! Also: None of the sneak skills are that essential(IMO)
> , because you can easily obtain master lockpicks and probes which help a
> lot. Soultrap, levitation, waterbreathing, and camoflage are my picks.

I like to enchant something with constant effect waterbreathing and
night-eye as soon as I can. I'm weird.

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"bryan K" <webmaster13nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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> We all have different opinions, and I'd like to hear some different ones.
>
> These are the skills I can absolutely not do without. In fact, if I
started
> a new character, I would be sure to spend some money early on to get a
good
> head start:
>
> 1. Alteration. One can never underestimate the importance of water
walking
> and levitation.
> 2. Sneak. It isn't used often, but it is a difficult skill to master.
> Plus, it is the only way to accomplish certain objectives.
> 3. Restoration. I find it much easier to use a spell than to carry a
pouch
> full of potions.
> 4. Speachcraft. fairly easy to obtain, but it's going to cost money any
> way one looks at it.
> 5. Acrobatics. A very easy skill to obtain, and very valuable as well.
>
> Thoughts?

1) Mercantile
2) Athletics
3) Alchemy
4) Illusion
5) Mysticism (or alteration, hard to say)

1) The cheesiest skill in the game, once you know that the price they offer
isn't all they will except. My character currently has a mercantile of 23,
and a personality of 38, and can buy/sell ALL of a vendors money. This
allows you to get anything you want, become very rich, and get free training
(essentially. you just have to check barter first). I usually start off at
skill 5 selling at 65-70% item value and buying at 80%. By about 15 skill
that should be selling at 80% and buying at 75% or thereabouts. Did I
mention its good for getting huge stacks of expensive alchemy ingredients?
I remember making feather potions by the hundreds out of rubies...

2) I get so sick and tired of CRAWLING everywhere. You also can't climb
anything without this skill. Being able to outrun guards is a nice plus.
Just a great timesaver. Aim for 40 starting skill in this.

3) Mana, Money, and Magic. I once ran from Sadrith Mora to the port in
Dagon Fel in about 30 seconds thanks to 2 well-made fortify speed potions
(Kagouti Hide+Moonsugar). With easily stolen gear and decent skill feather
potions weigh about 0.01 and the same goes for levitation. I personally
like making combo potions with 2 or 3 effects, but its not necessary.

4) Sneak is miserable to raise without starting at a high level, and
personally, I'd rather just use chameleon to accomplish my dirty deeds
anyway. Sanctuary is a nice plus. Of course, if you don't want to enchant
constant effect 100% chameleon or santuary, I suppose you could just use
sneak... Sneak is for barbarians. Cultivated folk use Illusion.

5) Souldtrap, Absorb Health, Mark and Recall are all quite handy. I like to
use a large radius Absorb health spell on those little Daedra wheenies
running around in the ruins. Alteration lets you open locks when you are
out of scrolls and can't pick it, and lets you improvise when you run out of
potions (potions are ALWAYS better than alteration, as they are instant,
dont require a switch to casting mode, and dont drain you mana pool.)

Of course this list dosn't mention marksmentship, security, shortblade,
lightarmor, and destruction - my _other_ favorite skills.

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"bryan K" <webmaster13nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message news:<gG9wc.5953393$iA2.686716@news.easynews.com>...
> We all have different opinions, and I'd like to hear some different ones.
>
> These are the skills I can absolutely not do without. In fact, if I started
> a new character, I would be sure to spend some money early on to get a good
> head start:
>
> 1. Alteration. One can never underestimate the importance of water walking
> and levitation.
> 2. Sneak. It isn't used often, but it is a difficult skill to master.
> Plus, it is the only way to accomplish certain objectives.
> 3. Restoration. I find it much easier to use a spell than to carry a pouch
> full of potions.
> 4. Speachcraft. fairly easy to obtain, but it's going to cost money any
> way one looks at it.
> 5. Acrobatics. A very easy skill to obtain, and very valuable as well.
>
> Thoughts?
........

The ones I always use a lot are
1. Speechcraft (always a major skill)
2. Merchant (always misc; it grows fast anyway)
3. Alchemy (usually miscellanous, but major for mages)
4. Some weapon (have had success with all, and don't have a preference)
5. Light armor (misc, as it goes up to fast)
6 Mysticism (or is it alternation....the one for fast transport)

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Heya! -- Marry me!
"ToolPackinMama" <laura@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
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> Dennis Curtis wrote:
> >
> > You got that right! Also: None of the sneak skills are that
essential(IMO)
> > , because you can easily obtain master lockpicks and probes which help
a
> > lot. Soultrap, levitation, waterbreathing, and camoflage are my picks.
>
> I like to enchant something with constant effect waterbreathing and
> night-eye as soon as I can. I'm weird.

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"Greg Johnson" <gsj@labyrinth.net.au> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 01:51:08 GMT, "bryan K"
> <webmaster13nospam@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> >We all have different opinions, and I'd like to hear some different ones.
> >
> >These are the skills I can absolutely not do without. In fact, if I
started
> >a new character, I would be sure to spend some money early on to get a
good
> >head start:
> >
> >1. Alteration. One can never underestimate the importance of water
walking
> >and levitation.
> I always make constant effect items with the Alteration effects I want,
> so my actual skill isn't very important.
>
> >2. Sneak. It isn't used often, but it is a difficult skill to master.
> >Plus, it is the only way to accomplish certain objectives.
> Sneak is very easy to master, once you realise that it stacks with
> Chameleon. Just get ~30% chameleon, then sneak. Your skill will rise
> very fast, no matter how low it was to start with, since you'll be
> succeeding most of the time.
>
> >3. Restoration. I find it much easier to use a spell than to carry a
pouch
> >full of potions.
> This is a very important skill, as use of the attribute boosting spells
> can make it much easier to raise your other skills.
>
> >4. Speachcraft. fairly easy to obtain, but it's going to cost money any
> >way one looks at it.
> Speechcraft is easy to get for free, but quite slow. Just find one of
> the people you'll have to kill eventually anyway (like the Camonna Tong
> Members in Balmora) and arrange your windows so that Admire shows up
> directly below the button on the box that pops up. Now you just need to
> keep clicking, and your speechcraft will rise. Don't waste money on
> bribes, Admire can still succeed even when they hate you.

interesting......is there a macro for this?

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"Greg Johnson" <gsj@labyrinth.net.au> skrev i en meddelelse
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> On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 01:51:08 GMT, "bryan K"
> <webmaster13nospam@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> >We all have different opinions, and I'd like to hear some different
ones.
> >
> >These are the skills I can absolutely not do without. In fact, if I
started
> >a new character, I would be sure to spend some money early on to get a
good
> >head start:
> >
> >1. Alteration. One can never underestimate the importance of water
walking
> >and levitation.
> I always make constant effect items with the Alteration effects I want,
> so my actual skill isn't very important.
>
> >2. Sneak. It isn't used often, but it is a difficult skill to master.
> >Plus, it is the only way to accomplish certain objectives.
> Sneak is very easy to master, once you realise that it stacks with
> Chameleon. Just get ~30% chameleon, then sneak. Your skill will rise
> very fast, no matter how low it was to start with, since you'll be
> succeeding most of the time.
>
> >3. Restoration. I find it much easier to use a spell than to carry a
pouch
> >full of potions.
> This is a very important skill, as use of the attribute boosting spells
> can make it much easier to raise your other skills.
>
> >4. Speachcraft. fairly easy to obtain, but it's going to cost money
any
> >way one looks at it.
> Speechcraft is easy to get for free, but quite slow. Just find one of
> the people you'll have to kill eventually anyway (like the Camonna Tong
> Members in Balmora) and arrange your windows so that Admire shows up
> directly below the button on the box that pops up. Now you just need to
> keep clicking, and your speechcraft will rise. Don't waste money on
> bribes, Admire can still succeed even when they hate you.
>
> --
> Greg Johnson
> "So tell me, just how long have you had this feeling that no one
> is watching you?" (Christopher Locke: Entropy Gradient Reversals)

My chars are mages. My major and minor skills are
normally the magical ones. Only weapon skill is
marksman. Easy to raise skills and skills that count
towards the skill multipliers are kept as misc.
Only armor skill is unarmored.


merlin

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Greg Johnson wrote:

> >3. Restoration. I find it much easier to use a spell than to carry a pouch
> >full of potions.

Potions are better in the heat of battle, though. What good is a heal
paralyze spell, ever? Seriously? If your magic is depleted you can't
use a restore health spell, but a potion?

> Speechcraft is easy to get for free, but quite slow. Just find one of
> the people you'll have to kill eventually anyway (like the Camonna Tong
> Members in Balmora) and arrange your windows so that Admire shows up
> directly below the button on the box that pops up. Now you just need to
> keep clicking, and your speechcraft will rise. Don't waste money on
> bribes, Admire can still succeed even when they hate you.

Very true.

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Dennis Curtis wrote:

> There is some
> helmet that raises charisma 30 points.

The beast races can't wear that one.

I usually chose to make my Beast folk born under the sign of the Lady,
for the extra charm it gives them from the start. They need it. That,
or the Steed, cos I have a lust for speed.

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"ToolPackinMama" <laura@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
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> Greg Johnson wrote:
>
> > >3. Restoration. I find it much easier to use a spell than to carry a
pouch
> > >full of potions.
>
> Potions are better in the heat of battle, though. What good is a heal
> paralyze spell, ever? Seriously? If your magic is depleted you can't
> use a restore health spell, but a potion?

Good point. Looks like I'll have to stock up on cure paralyzation potions
(sigh).

Truth is, I had never even thought of this. I guess I figured that if I was
paralyzed, I wouldn't be able to use any potions either. But, then again,
potions are drunk while the game is paused........

Not very realistic, but perhaps a valuable asset.....

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"ToolPackinMama" <laura@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
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> Dennis Curtis wrote:
>
> > There is some
> > helmet that raises charisma 30 points.
>
> The beast races can't wear that one.
>
> I usually chose to make my Beast folk born under the sign of the Lady,
> for the extra charm it gives them from the start. They need it. That,
> or the Steed, cos I have a lust for speed.

Well now, as you well know, speed is not good for EVERYTHING!
Besides, I don't look good in fur.

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Dennis Curtis wrote:
>
> "ToolPackinMama" <laura@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
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> > Dennis Curtis wrote:
> > >
> > > Heya! -- Marry me!
> >
> > I'm already married. Would you consider bigamy?

> I am married too. 32 happy years. That was big of you. Not so bigamy.
> Just kidding around good girl!

LOL {{{hugs}}}

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:17:50 GMT, "bryan K"
<webmaster13nospam@cableone.net> wrote:

>
>"Merlin" <pbech@danprofit.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> > > and levitation.
>>
>> start on your acrobatic skill early on. It can simulate
>> levitation when it is good enough, and this does
>> not necessarily means 100%.
>
>My acrobat skill on my current character is at 100, and I still find it much
>easier to use levitation to traverse rocky terrain.

I only use levitation occasionally, finding it much easier (and quicker)
to use an item with constant effect Slowfall 2 and Jump 10. This can get
you anywhere levitation can (except inside some twisty passages) _much_
faster. It also works 'outdoors' where levitation does not (not that
this is a great advantage).

>Thanks for the advice. I rarely pay to improve my speachcraft directly. I
>usually bribe people by the 100's until I have enough speachcraft skill to
>do the trick by admring them. And I make sure that every NPC I run into has
>an attitude of 100 towards me before I will leave him alone.

For merchants, bear in mind that while adjustments from selling are
temporary, those from admire are permanent, and your admire will succeed
more often if they have a good disposition from trading. Therefore I
always sell them some cheap stuff first, then use admire to preserve
their mood at a good level.
--
Greg Johnson
"So tell me, just how long have you had this feeling that no one
is watching you?" (Christopher Locke: Entropy Gradient Reversals)

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LOL!
"Miika Turtiainen" <miika.turtiainen@kymp.net> wrote in message
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> ToolPackinMama wrote:
>
> > Dennis Curtis wrote:
> >
> >>"ToolPackinMama" <laura@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> >>news:40CB3D9A.2367398A@lauragoodwin.org...
> >>
> >>>Dennis Curtis wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>There is some
> >>>>helmet that raises charisma 30 points.
> >>>
> >>>The beast races can't wear that one.
> >>>
> >>>I usually chose to make my Beast folk born under the sign of the Lady,
> >>>for the extra charm it gives them from the start. They need it. That,
> >>>or the Steed, cos I have a lust for speed.
> >>
> >> Well now, as you well know, speed is not good for EVERYTHING!
> >>Besides, I don't look good in fur.
> >
> >
> > No comment!
>
> you two... the second thread already
>
> -M
LOL!

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:44:24 GMT, "Dennis Curtis"
<curtisd1@verizon.net> wrote:

>> >>>I usually chose to make my Beast folk born under the sign of the Lady,
>> >>>for the extra charm it gives them from the start. They need it. That,
>> >>>or the Steed, cos I have a lust for speed.
>> >>
>> >> Well now, as you well know, speed is not good for EVERYTHING!
>> >>Besides, I don't look good in fur.

Speed 600+ (which is actually pretty easy to get via potions) or
Levitation 600+ tend to be too fast for the graphics processor without
spending most of your time waiting for the new area to load.

Been there done that did NOT have fun doing so....Night Eye and
Restore Health (not to mention Restore Magicka) are pretty cool when
you make the potion with Intelligence 200,000+. It makes dark things
REALLY visible and the potion lasts nearly forever.

Swift Swimming and Water Walk are both pretty entertaining when 200 or
so - Water Walk looks a LOT like water skiing when it's that high! I
once water walked from Gnisis to Stronheim that way and had a great
time. (I don't remember the details but had gone back to the mainland
to buy booze and more alchemical reagents)