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How Much do Motherboards Rely on Grounding ?

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Metal Case vs. Acrylic Case for serious OC'ing

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one of my jobs i was working with a guy on a really sensitive amplifier for a network analyzer and i remember he kept saying, "put in another grounding point". we had a little circuit board a little smaller than a credit card, grounded in about 11 places.

i think the conventional ATX board is mounted in 9 ?

anyway all my engineering play life (career) i worked on a lot of microwave and RF stuff and a big #1 design rule was, everything had to be well grounded, isolated, worry about EMI, etc.

well, the circuit boards that we run a 3.6 P4 or a 2.2 GHz Opteron on, is technically running at microwave frequencies ... not exempt from the laws of physics ... so all the rules about transmission lines and grounding apply.

so, since my 3.6 P4 works pretty good in an acrylic case (would it OC better you think if i put it in a metal case, all else equal ?), i can only conclude that all of the grounding requirements of the high frequency circuitry are met within the geometry of the board itself.

do serious OC'ers always do their work in metal cases or with the motherboard mounted on a metal surface ?

thanks for the info.

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Your M/B will be grounded through its connection points to the power supply, and the P/S metal casing is also normally grounded, so when the grounded P/S casing is screwed to the metal computer case it effectively grounds the case, and probably does the same thing secured to an acrylic case.

You can fire up your components outside of any case, so what precautions need to be taken with an acrylic case that can produce static electricity by a cat rubbing up against it, or dragging it on a carpeted floor.

Grounding for static electricity which tends to screw up parts may be the most concern, some plastics and acrylics will produce static electricity just from air flowing through it, pretty bad actually if not grounded properly.

Heres a static electricity extreme example; My friend has a dust collection system for his shop he decided to use 4" PVC pipe as a fixed collection system using a high speed vacuum collection pump, and to keep from a high built up static electrical charge building on the pipes from the air and wood chip particles flowing through the pipes he had to ground the entire system, which ungrounded can produce enough of a static charge to stop your heart if you touched the ungrounded pipes.

Just food for thought, you'd never build that much static cooling a computer!

Well if it hasn't become a big enough of a problem for acrylic case manufacturers to supply extra grounding for their cases then I don't think I'd worry about it, unless I had planned on using an acrylic power supply, which should be grounded at at least one of the screw mounting connections on the P/S itself.

Or run individual grounding wires to the mounting studs of the M/B and ground them to the P/S ground if you think thats necessary, any way its not going to hurt anything one way or the other.



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do serious OC'ers always do their work in metal cases or with the motherboard mounted on a metal surface ?




Most OCers don't buy expensive acrylic cases and use metal cases, they're OCers because they want to get as much as they possibly can from the least invested. :D

Reply to 4ryan6

I have a old Dell L600R for close to 7 years. And it has been ungrounded for almost all those years becouse the grounding on the power cord below the + - thongs fell off one day when we unpluged it. It runs 24/7 and never has a problem and it does not touch anything that is able to ground it. When u touch it, it does give u a pretty good shock though.

Reply to derek2006

http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/0 [...] index.html

Liquid XS from All American Computers

long URL. anyway, the Liquid XS was among the best in the bunch, OC wise, and it was in an acrylic case.

Reply to Raviolissimo

In computers, most things like motherboard, harddrive, optical drives, are grounded from their powersource so as long as the powersupply is grounded, hten you shouldn't have a problem.

Reply to deweycd

Don't care about the ground points. They help very little in heat dissipation. No problems with EMI, the test states that any circuit should stay within the limit with only one ground point.
5 points, 4 at the corners and one in the middle will suffice, anyway it's better do lock the mobo with all screws than plastic stand-offs for mechanical reasons.

Reply to maury73

A few things to keep in mind regarding ground:
1. The A/C source must be properly grounded.
2. The power supply provides ground to the case and/or MB tray, MB and I/O devices.
3. MB is grounded to the case (or MB tray).
4. The 0 volt reference is common to ground.
Finally, and most importantly as it relates to EMI, multi-layer MB's have an entire layer devoted to ground.

If EMI is a problem with any combination of case, power supply and MB then one or more of the components have failed or they do not meet FCC certification standards and should not be sold in the USA (the EU, and most of the world have a similar standard).

Reply to jimw428

Interesting I built my case from wood, I used number 2 copper wire grounding to the psu, mb mount, cdrom mount. I had mentioned this once a long time ago when someone made their own. Be sure to use ground wires to the mounts, symptions inproper grounds was randoms shut downs, reset of bios for no reason and memory errors.

Reply to gomerpile

When you were building those devices, was is a case ground you were adding to the circuit, or was it a negative power supply connection? I would guess the later. The motherboard probably has an entire neutral layer and there are probably thousands of neutral points tied to that layer throughout the MB, which are not tied to chassis ground.

With that said, I would never personally build a machine in anything other than a metal case, but it's not because of overclocking ability or anything like that, but static, like 4ryan6 said too. I got in a discussion on the forums a while back and said that vacuum cleaners created static and I was nearly run out of town on a rail by an angry mob wielding torches and pitchforks.

Reply to Pain

wood is a great insulater, running wood cases for a few years now all 3 of my systems are built in them.
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the performance is better than any case you could ever buy.

Reply to gomerpile

Wood, generally speaking, will retain moisture and help to reduce/prevent static, at least to some degree, certainly more than acrylic. Wood will offer little protection for EMI though, same as acrylic.

Reply to Pain

That is the reason for the fans, moisture was in mind when developing such a thing and me working as a builder all my life I really know about moisture in wood and how wood absorbs it. good air flow is the key

Reply to gomerpile

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wood is a great insulater, running wood cases for a few years now all 3 of my systems are built in them....
the performance is better than any case you could ever buy.



cool cases. i made one case out of plywood when i was in vancouver. then put it on my balcony. it twisted into a potato chip - the humidity, i suppose. i took it inside & it un-twisted. had an MSI 845G with ultra-wide-SCSI 15 pound 47 GB seagate on it it.

i always wondered how the companies like the one that makes the Liquid XS in an acrylic case, get by the FCC.

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