Roaming partner in San Bernardino County, California?

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Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the Los Angeles
market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a sneaking suspicion that
it's Cingular, but am not 100% sure. (It could be Verizon too, though. But
given that Verizon has stopped building out analog and given that they have
almost no analog capacity in this part of SBD County, I'm pretty sure it's
*not* Verizon.)

Also, I was curious if there are any Cingular customers posting to the Cingular
newsgroup from the Apple Valley or Victorville, CA. Specifically, I'm curious
about Cingular coverage between National Trails Highway (old US 66) and US 395
on Air Expressway.

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Steve Sobol wrote:
> Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the
> Los Angeles market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a
> sneaking suspicion that it's Cingular, but am not 100% sure. (It
> could be Verizon too, though. But given that Verizon has stopped
> building out analog and given that they have almost no analog
> capacity in this part of SBD County, I'm pretty sure it's *not*
> Verizon.)
>
> Also, I was curious if there are any Cingular customers posting to
> the Cingular newsgroup from the Apple Valley or Victorville, CA.
> Specifically, I'm curious about Cingular coverage between National
> Trails Highway (old US 66) and US 395 on Air Expressway.

Probably Verizon as Cingular has always been GSM in California.

 

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Rod wrote:

> Steve Sobol wrote:
>
>>Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the
>>Los Angeles market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a
>>sneaking suspicion that it's Cingular, but am not 100% sure. (It
>>could be Verizon too, though. But given that Verizon has stopped
>>building out analog and given that they have almost no analog
>>capacity in this part of SBD County, I'm pretty sure it's *not*
>>Verizon.)
>>
>>Also, I was curious if there are any Cingular customers posting to
>>the Cingular newsgroup from the Apple Valley or Victorville, CA.
>>Specifically, I'm curious about Cingular coverage between National
>>Trails Highway (old US 66) and US 395 on Air Expressway.
>
>
> Probably Verizon as Cingular has always been GSM in California.
>

I agree with Rod. What's now Cingular in California began in 1997 as Pac
Bell Mobile. It's an all-GSM1900 system.
According to Andrew Shepherd's maps, ATTWS is the A-side carrier in San
Bernardino County and Verizon is the B-side carrier.
Have you received an analog signal (or a digital roam 800CDMA signal) in
the places you mention? Can you put your phone in field debug mode to
reveal a SID number? Or call 611 and see who answers?

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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:20:05 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:

>Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the Los Angeles
>market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a sneaking suspicion that
>it's Cingular, but am not 100% sure.

San Bernardino? Absolutely not possible that it's cingular
considering that cingular in California was the successor to Pacific
Bell PCS a *GSM* operator.

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Frank Harris wrote:

>> Probably Verizon as Cingular has always been GSM in California.
>
> I agree with Rod. What's now Cingular in California began in 1997 as Pac
> Bell Mobile. It's an all-GSM1900 system.

Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting up
analog towers too, for roamers.

> According to Andrew Shepherd's maps, ATTWS is the A-side carrier in San
> Bernardino County and Verizon is the B-side carrier.

That'd be correct.

> Have you received an analog signal (or a digital roam 800CDMA signal) in
> the places you mention? Can you put your phone in field debug mode to
> reveal a SID number? Or call 611 and see who answers?

Well, in the area I referred to I have basically no digital signal, from Air
Expressway just east of Village Drive down to old Route 66 (National Trails
Highway) down into Victorville's Old Town neighborhood, D Street just past
I-15. I don't have problems elsewhere, and can use my Sprint phone at my house
out on the edge of town where my Verizon phone was basically unusable. Out on
the eastern part of Air Expressway, there's nothing... no houses, no
businesses, nothing except a junkyard, so I suspect that Sprint has little
incentive to put a tower there. But my father-in-law's T-Mobile phone works,
and he'd be using Cingular towers if he's using his phone here in California.
(Of course, he's not using the phone in analog.)

I have Fair & Flexible, but I'd need to pay the additional five bucks per month
for F&F America in order to not pay roaming charges; right now if I try to make
an analog call I get charged 50c/minute, so I'm not real keen on experimentation

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Steve,
It isn't Cingular. They aren't analog in CA.

If you have the latest PRL, 10025, your phone will search for Verizon
digital first, then Verizon analog. Previous PRL's would have either found
AT&T analog eventually, or may have searched for AT&T analog first. AT&T is
not in 10025.

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> Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the Los
Angeles
> market, specifically in San Bernardino County?

 

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Bill Radio wrote:
> Steve,
> It isn't Cingular. They aren't analog in CA.
>
> If you have the latest PRL, 10025, your phone will search for Verizon
> digital first, then Verizon analog.

Well, Verizon digital works on that side of Middle Of Nowheresville... just not
real well (ok, not at all) in my corner of town. Maybe I should pay the extra
money and have usable service heading out towards Adelanto...

**SJS (making a mental note to call and have my phone flagged for a PRL update)

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Steve,

First of all like others have said it is not Cingular. They have no
licenses to put up any analog coverage and have never used analog here
in CA or NV.

Sprint's one and only roaming partner for San Bernardino County is the
same as it is for all of So. California. It's Verizon. AT&T has never
been useable (without a credit card) as there have never been any
roaming agreements between them & Sprint here in So. Cal.

 

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:42:09 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:

>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting up
>analog towers too, for roamers.

I don't think there's much of a business case for putting up towers
just to serve roaming customers. Roaming business only makes sense
when the towers first serve your own customers and then *also* serve
roaming customers for an additional fee.

jc

 

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JC Dill wrote:

>>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting up
>>analog towers too, for roamers.
>
> I don't think there's much of a business case for putting up towers
> just to serve roaming customers.

Used to be big business; may or may not be as much of an issue now.



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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:42:09 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:

>> I agree with Rod. What's now Cingular in California began in 1997 as Pac
>> Bell Mobile. It's an all-GSM1900 system.
>
>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting up
>analog towers too, for roamers.

Uh, Steve it sure does if they don't have that spectrum assigned to
them. Perhaps when they become one with AT&T Wireless that will be a
different story. However, we are dealing with the here and now not
what may be a year or two from now.
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Joseph wrote:

> Uh, Steve it sure does if they don't have that spectrum assigned to
> them.

*blink*

Yeah, that would be a problem, wouldn't it.

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In <cle1nh$5tk$1@ratbert.glorb.com> on Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:42:09 -0700, Steve
Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

>Frank Harris wrote:
>
>>> Probably Verizon as Cingular has always been GSM in California.
>>
>> I agree with Rod. What's now Cingular in California began in 1997 as Pac
>> Bell Mobile. It's an all-GSM1900 system.
>
>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from putting up
>analog towers too, for roamers.

Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.

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John Navas wrote:

> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.

Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it is 850,
isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...


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Steve Sobol wrote:
> John Navas wrote:
>
>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
>
>
> Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it
> is 850, isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...

And actually, I'm not sure that having a license for 850MHz means anything. How
exactly does this work, legally speaking? Did the FCC specifically start
handing out 850MHz licenses or does an "800MHz" license actually cover a range
of frequencies instead of just 800?

**SJS

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In <clf4bh$d05$1@ratbert.glorb.com> on Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:33:10 -0700, Steve
Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:
>
>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
>
>Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it is 850,
>isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...

And does not exist with Cingular in California, where it has only 1900 MHz
spectrum.

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"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
news:clcm8e$u0b$1@ratbert.glorb.com...
> Anyone know who provides analog roaming to Sprint customers in the Los
Angeles
> market, specifically in San Bernardino County? I have a sneaking suspicion
that
> it's Cingular, but am not 100% sure. (It could be Verizon too, though. But
> given that Verizon has stopped building out analog and given that they
have
> almost no analog capacity in this part of SBD County, I'm pretty sure it's
> *not* Verizon.)
>
> Also, I was curious if there are any Cingular customers posting to the
Cingular
> newsgroup from the Apple Valley or Victorville, CA. Specifically, I'm
curious
> about Cingular coverage between National Trails Highway (old US 66) and US
395
> on Air Expressway.

Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.

..

 

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In article <tv4ln0lj1j5jpiu3hdkondvqk3hcmdldc2@4ax.com>,
JC Dill <jcdill04@sonic.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:42:09 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from
>putting up
>>analog towers too, for roamers.
>
>I don't think there's much of a business case for putting up towers
>just to serve roaming customers. Roaming business only makes sense
>when the towers first serve your own customers and then *also* serve
>roaming customers for an additional fee.

If Cingular in CA is only 1900MHz, then they cannot provide analog, since
there is no analog on the PCS band. Only digital of one flavor or another.
When they merge with AT&T Wireless, then the combined company will have
850MHz (cellular band) service.

 

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In <clf4ir$d05$2@ratbert.glorb.com> on Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:37:04 -0700, Steve
Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

>Steve Sobol wrote:
>> John Navas wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
>>
>> Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it
>> is 850, isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...
>
>And actually, I'm not sure that having a license for 850MHz means anything. How
>exactly does this work, legally speaking? Did the FCC specifically start
>handing out 850MHz licenses or does an "800MHz" license actually cover a range
>of frequencies instead of just 800?

It's a range of frequencies, the same frequencies for TDMA/AMPS 800 as for GSM
850. See <http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/spectrum/frequencies.shtml>

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In <o3Ied.34047$QJ3.11064@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> on Sun, 24 Oct 2004
06:36:05 GMT, "Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik" <DRFafoofnik@rumpledanus.com> wrote:

>Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
>Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
>It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
>beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.

From the Onstar FAQ on Technology & Hardware:

In November 2002, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
ruled that wireless carriers will no longer be required to support
the analog wireless network as of early 2008. Additionally, wireless
carriers in Canada have elected to follow suit and have also begun
the shift from analog to digital technology. As a result, beginning
January 1, 2008, OnStar service will only be available through
dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment.

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Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik wrote:

> Steve.....Don't forget that Verizon has two MAJOR customers it serves on
> Analog......The state of California Highway Call-Boxes and "On-Star"
> It's no wonder why their analog system is still serving all those "off the
> beaten path" areas....and probably will for sometime.

But it's not. Pissed me off big time, too - my house was a little too far from
the tower to reliably get a digital signal but analog worked fine... but a
majority of analog calls wouldn't go through anyhow, I assume due to lack of
capacity - I constantly got fast busy signals. The phone could acquire the
analog carrier with no problems, I just couldn't make a call.

I hope no one tries to make an On-Star call from my neighborhood. I only got
through in analog maybe on time out of every three or four.

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:33:10 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:

>John Navas wrote:
>
>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
>
>Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it is 850,
>isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...

GSM 850 is what is referred to as 800 for other technologies such as
TDMA, CDMA and analog AMPS. For whatever reason when they use the
same frequencies with GSM they call it 850. Go figure.

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:37:04 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:

>Steve Sobol wrote:
>> John Navas wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it does, since Cingular doesn't have the correct spectrum.
>>
>>
>> Yes... you and Joe are both right, I was being stupid. GSM at 850... it
>> is 850, isn't it?... GSM at 850 is a relatively new occurrence...
>
>And actually, I'm not sure that having a license for 850MHz means anything. How
>exactly does this work, legally speaking? Did the FCC specifically start
>handing out 850MHz licenses or does an "800MHz" license actually cover a range
>of frequencies instead of just 800?

It's not 800 or 850 in reality. It is frequencies *around* 800 Mhz
for sending and receiving. It isn't exactly 800 Mhz nor is it exactly
850 either.
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If the cellular a and the cellular b licenses are already held by
someone else, how would cingular be able to put up an analogue system?


Steve Sobol wrote:
> Frank Harris wrote:
>
>>> Probably Verizon as Cingular has always been GSM in California.
>>
>>
>> I agree with Rod. What's now Cingular in California began in 1997 as
>> Pac Bell Mobile. It's an all-GSM1900 system.
>
>
> Duh, I forgot about that. Of course, that doesn't preclude them from
> putting up analog towers too, for roamers.
>
>> According to Andrew Shepherd's maps, ATTWS is the A-side carrier in
>> San Bernardino County and Verizon is the B-side carrier.
>
>
> That'd be correct.
>
>> Have you received an analog signal (or a digital roam 800CDMA signal)
>> in the places you mention? Can you put your phone in field debug mode
>> to reveal a SID number? Or call 611 and see who answers?
>
>
> Well, in the area I referred to I have basically no digital signal, from
> Air Expressway just east of Village Drive down to old Route 66 (National
> Trails Highway) down into Victorville's Old Town neighborhood, D Street
> just past I-15. I don't have problems elsewhere, and can use my Sprint
> phone at my house out on the edge of town where my Verizon phone was
> basically unusable. Out on the eastern part of Air Expressway, there's
> nothing... no houses, no businesses, nothing except a junkyard, so I
> suspect that Sprint has little incentive to put a tower there. But my
> father-in-law's T-Mobile phone works, and he'd be using Cingular towers
> if he's using his phone here in California. (Of course, he's not using
> the phone in analog.)
>
> I have Fair & Flexible, but I'd need to pay the additional five bucks
> per month for F&F America in order to not pay roaming charges; right now
> if I try to make an analog call I get charged 50c/minute, so I'm not
> real keen on experimentation
>

 

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Jerome Zelinske wrote:
> If the cellular a and the cellular b licenses are already held by
> someone else, how would cingular be able to put up an analogue system?

Cingular is buying the A-side carrier (ATTWS)

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