FEDs to approve Cingular takeover of AT&T Wireless

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"Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> =================
>
> "Potentially lucrative" they should have said. Only Nextel and Verizon
> are currently making good money. SprintPCS is still losing money, and
> had to merge its wireless division back into Sprint to hide the WLNP
> losses, and continuing $$$ losses.

Sprint PCS made money for the last three quarters- the long distance portion
of the company is what is losing money. The 10Q filings for the last couple
of quarters show this to be very clear. And I'm sorry- can you provide a
link to the article that talks about PCS being folded back into the comapny
to hide WLNP losses.

Please know the facts before you attempt to sound intelligent, troll. I
know that would be a stretch for you, Phillipe.

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In <jzwick3-1C223A.06242623102004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Sat, 23 Oct
2004 11:24:58 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

><http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1804&nc...
>hpost/20041023/tc_washpost/a55574_2004oct22>
>
>The $41 billion merger between Cingular Wireless LLC and AT&T Wireless
>Services Inc. won approval from the Federal Communications Commission
>yesterday, according to federal sources close to the agency, paving the
>way for major changes in the lucrative wireless-phone market.
>
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>
>"Potentially lucrative" they should have said. Only Nextel and Verizon
>are currently making good money. SprintPCS is still losing money, and
>had to merge its wireless division back into Sprint to hide the WLNP
>losses, and continuing $$$ losses.

Cingular has been making good money as well. Operating profit totaled $461
million in the third quarter ended Sept. 30 (albeit down from $488 million in
the same three months a year ago).

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In article <oFued.629$_3.10398@typhoon.sonic.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

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>
> In <jzwick3-1C223A.06242623102004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Sat, 23 Oct
> 2004 11:24:58 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> ><http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1804&nc...
> >hpost/20041023/tc_washpost/a55574_2004oct22>
> >
> >The $41 billion merger between Cingular Wireless LLC and AT&T Wireless
> >Services Inc. won approval from the Federal Communications Commission
> >yesterday, according to federal sources close to the agency, paving the
> >way for major changes in the lucrative wireless-phone market.
> >
> >=================
> >
> >"Potentially lucrative" they should have said. Only Nextel and Verizon
> >are currently making good money. SprintPCS is still losing money, and
> >had to merge its wireless division back into Sprint to hide the WLNP
> >losses, and continuing $$$ losses.
>
> Cingular has been making good money as well. Operating profit totaled $461
> million in the third quarter ended Sept. 30 (albeit down from $488 million in
> the same three months a year ago).

Where do you make these numbers up from? Their profit was $145 Million,
not exactly lucrative on revenue of $4.26 billion; I think U.S. Treasury
Bonds pay better.

<http://www.thestreet.com/tech/telecom/10189178.html&gt;

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In <jzwick3-4430A8.12391023102004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Sat, 23 Oct
2004 17:38:56 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>In article <oFued.629$_3.10398@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

>> Cingular has been making good money as well. Operating profit totaled $461
>> million in the third quarter ended Sept. 30 (albeit down from $488 million in
>> the same three months a year ago).
>
>Where do you make these numbers up from? ...

Taken directly from a Cingular press release dated Oct 20, 2004.

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In article <IwEed.683$_3.13956@typhoon.sonic.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

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> In <jzwick3-4430A8.12391023102004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Sat, 23 Oct
> 2004 17:38:56 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <oFued.629$_3.10398@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> > John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> >> Cingular has been making good money as well. Operating profit totaled
> >> $461
> >> million in the third quarter ended Sept. 30 (albeit down from $488 million
> >> in
> >> the same three months a year ago).
> >
> >Where do you make these numbers up from? ...

(Navas maliciously here snips the true numbers.)

>
> Taken directly from a Cingular press release dated Oct 20, 2004.

You misstated gross revenue as net profit.

Strange you snipped out the correct numbers.

Cingular's correct profit was $145 Million,
not exactly lucrative on revenue of $4.26 billion; I think U.S. Treasury
Bonds pay better.

<http://www.thestreet.com/tech/telecom/10189178.html&gt;

Anyone can read the numbers themselves why would you not give the URL??

<http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?ACCT...
UL1&STORY=/www/story/10-20-2004/0002289150&EDATE=Oct+20,+2004>

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In <jzwick3-2D8407.02094524102004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Sun, 24 Oct
2004 07:09:31 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>In article <IwEed.683$_3.13956@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> In <jzwick3-4430A8.12391023102004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Sat, 23 Oct
>> 2004 17:38:56 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <oFued.629$_3.10398@typhoon.sonic.net>,
>> > John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Cingular has been making good money as well. Operating profit totaled
>> >> $461
>> >> million in the third quarter ended Sept. 30 (albeit down from $488 million
>> >> in
>> >> the same three months a year ago).
>> >
>> >Where do you make these numbers up from? ...
>
>(Navas maliciously here snips the true numbers.)

1. No malice.

2. My numbers are just as true.

>> Taken directly from a Cingular press release dated Oct 20, 2004.
>
>You misstated gross revenue as net profit.

You misstated what I wrote, especially silly since you quoted it (above):
"Operating profit"

>Strange you snipped out the correct numbers.

My numbers are just as correct.

>Cingular's correct profit was $145 Million,

Cingular's operating profit was $461 million.

>not exactly lucrative on revenue of $4.26 billion;

Financial performance isn't that simple. Start by carefully reading the
entire story below, not just the simple parts.

>I think U.S. Treasury
>Bonds pay better.

Not a valid comparison.

>Anyone can read the numbers themselves why would you not give the URL??
>
><http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?ACCT...
>UL1&STORY=/www/story/10-20-2004/0002289150&EDATE=Oct+20,+2004>

From that link:

Operating income 461

As I wrote. Case closed.

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In article <qRIed.708$_3.14513@typhoon.sonic.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >Cingular's correct profit was $145 Million,
>
> Cingular's operating profit was $461 million.



Nope, gross revenue = operating income

Net profit was $145.

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"Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> In article <qRIed.708$_3.14513@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> > >Cingular's correct profit was $145 Million,
> >
> > Cingular's operating profit was $461 million.
>
>
>
> Nope, gross revenue = operating income
>

Nope- as usual, your wrong. They are not tht e same thng. We can argue
back and forth about it, but you always lose. John is right here.

> Net profit was $145.

John, you do recognize Jack, don't you?

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In <jzwick3-30848A.06405924102004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Sun, 24 Oct
2004 11:40:45 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>In article <qRIed.708$_3.14513@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >Cingular's correct profit was $145 Million,
>>
>> Cingular's operating profit was $461 million.
>
>Nope, gross revenue = operating income
>
>Net profit was $145.

And operating profit was $461 million.
See <http://www.bized.ac.uk/dataserv/extel/notes/oprof-ex.ht...; for the meaning
of the term.

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In <mPOdndVU6uBPI-bcRVn-ow@adelphia.com> on Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:40:30 -0600,
"Scott Stephenson" <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote:

>
>"Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:jzwick3-30848A.06405924102004@news1.west.earthlink.net...
>> In article <qRIed.708$_3.14513@typhoon.sonic.net>,
>> John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >Cingular's correct profit was $145 Million,
>> >
>> > Cingular's operating profit was $461 million.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nope, gross revenue = operating income
>>
>
>Nope- as usual, your wrong. They are not tht e same thng. We can argue
>back and forth about it, but you always lose. John is right here.
>
>> Net profit was $145.
>
>John, you do recognize Jack, don't you?

Of course.

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