Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) has recently indicated that its new K8L processor for its next-generation Socket AM3 platform will not be available until 2008, according to sources at Taiwan-based motherboard makers.
But many AMD fans took this to mean that K8L will indeed be out in 2007 (even 2006, according to some people), and a K10 or some other architecture will debut in 2008.
Anyway, good find. This makes things more clearer.
There is a big difference between Netbusrt and K8 though. Just like Conroe is not a completely new architecture.... it's a revised older architecture.... it's possible for K8 to be that good also with additions.
http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20060710A1001.html Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) has recently indicated that its new K8L processor for its next-generation Socket AM3 platform will not be available until 2008, according to sources at Taiwan-based motherboard makers.
Not so unexpected but I wouldn't take those "sources" for granted.
By my logic, AMD have no chance to bring K8L before H2 07, and it is most likely they will have it at 1H 2008.
We have to see 65nm K8 first, than we have to see quadcore K8 and than we can think about K8L.
The only way AMD will sell more CPUs, is for them to crack up the GHz, so new/uninformed PC buyers will fall for the "more GHz = better performance" crap.
Lowering prices seems to work as well. I don't see why it wouldn't work here?
By my logic, AMD have no chance to bring K8L before H2 07, and it is most likely they will have it at 1H 2008.
We have to see 65nm K8 first, than we have to see quadcore K8 and than we can think about K8L.
Right, we haven't even seen a simple thing such as the benefits of it's transition from 90 to 65 nm yet. Core and K8 are much alike so the battling ahead will be with the slight respective modifications.
Cause Intel is using extremely aggressive prices.
And lowering prices would harm their profits, probably they'll have to go in the red anyway.
If they can't get K8L out in 2007, as recently announced, then they're gonna be in trouble.
Yes because thats exactly when a new intel archetecture comes out, they thought they would be competing with core, they will be competing with nahelm I think...correct me if im wrong on the core name because theres one in 2008 and 2010 (nahelm, gesher). But I think all of the AMD horde just died, im pretty sure of it, K8L was their last string of hope which just got cut.
Yeah, I kinda guess that since AMD's latest product chart thru Q3 2007 listed the FX-66 as their performance CPU. I figured K8L may come out in Q4 2007 though since that quarter was not part of the graph.
There is a big difference between Netbusrt and K8 though. Just like Conroe is not a completely new architecture.... it's a revised older architecture.... it's possible for K8 to be that good also with additions.
Unfortunately, designing processor isn't like baking cookies. You can't just "make additions" and improve a batch. It requires alot of time and effort. Changes to the architecture need to be validated and then the physical layout of the chip needs to be carefully redesigned to accommodate the changes. Once, the chip is produced, it must be extensively tested to catch any possible errors missed in the design phase.
I guess instead of pushing out a stopgap solution like the prescott, they're going to keep pace with their plans. That's a good thing, but it is really stretching the timetable. Even so, AM2 doesn't look to be lasting all that long...
There is a big difference between Netbusrt and K8 though. Just like Conroe is not a completely new architecture.... it's a revised older architecture.... it's possible for K8 to be that good also with additions.
Unfortunately, designing processor isn't like baking cookies. You can't just "make additions" and improve a batch. It requires alot of time and effort. Changes to the architecture need to be validated and then the physical layout of the chip needs to be carefully redesigned to accommodate the changes. Once, the chip is produced, it must be extensively tested to catch any possible errors missed in the design phase.
Of course I am aware of that.... all I am saying is that K8 CAN be that fast with additions. I know they won't pump them out tomorrow, just simply replying to the guy that said they should not have held on to K8 like Intel did with Prescott.... my point is, Prescott was flawed to start with..... where as K8 CAN be improved to be a much faster CPU.... but I will reiterate.... I don't think it will happen anytime soon.
remember, the AM3 cpu's can be used in an AM2 motherboard according to reports.... so, you may be correct about the CPU's only being around for 1.5 years but the socket is reported to be compatable with K8L whenever it releases.
I was hoping for a "good fight" between Intel and AMD in 2007. Now, if true, let's hope for a clash of the titans in 2008 between NEHALEM and K8L or whatever it is AMD has.
Well, yes, is designed for quad core from the ground up, and the new HT3.0 technology has also been developed with that purpose, 4 16bit HT links which can be split in 8 8bit links, etc.
