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July 11, 2006 1:18:17 AM

Dabs have them out 'on display'

I went and converted the £ cost to $ so you guys can take a look.

E6300 - $280
E6400 - $335
E6600 - $465
E6700 - $758
E6800EE - $1,430

For comparison purposes:
FX60 - $1,003
FX62 - $1,251

After the price drop:
3800x2 - $190
4200x2 - $295
4600x2 - $360
5000x2 - $495




This somewhat disappointed me, as i've seen American preorder sites such as TankGuys.biz doing E6700's for nearly $200 cheaper, with the low end E6300's at almost $70 cheaper.

What do you guys make of this?
As usual, apologies if this has already been looked over.
July 11, 2006 7:16:03 AM

I'm not sure of the reason myself. But I have seen this tread with a few products. The upcoming PS3 is another example of this.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/23/sony-to-drop-low-end...

I realize the link is about something else. But it contains a supposed price of the UK version about $800 US. Where the US version will be priced about $600 for the HDMI version.

So again, I'm not sure either?

Cheers

Hardcore Canadian
July 11, 2006 7:42:37 AM

The UK has not yet seen the X2 price cut.
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July 11, 2006 8:40:08 AM

Quote:
Dabs have them out 'on display'

I went and converted the £ cost to $ so you guys can take a look.

E6300 - $280
E6400 - $335
E6600 - $465
E6700 - $758
E6800EE - $1,430

For comparison purposes:
FX60 - $1,003
FX62 - $1,251

After the price drop:
3800x2 - $190
4200x2 - $295
4600x2 - $360
5000x2 - $495




This somewhat disappointed me, as i've seen American preorder sites such as TankGuys.biz doing E6700's for nearly $200 cheaper, with the low end E6300's at almost $70 cheaper.

What do you guys make of this?
As usual, apologies if this has already been looked over.


This is an example of what prices look like for a product that has not officially been released and is highly anticipated. Very much a supply and demand. If you want to be one of the only people in the world to have them before they actually come out, you have to pay a premium.

This is not a reflection of the actual cost once the product is released to the public.
July 11, 2006 8:42:40 AM

I think this is just another case of UK pricing being way over, unfortunately this is nothing new. I dont think there is anything that is cheaper here than in the rest of the world.

Almost makes you wonder about ordering from a US site and gettin it Imported.....If it woks out cheaper, i say why not...
July 11, 2006 8:46:59 AM

The UK gets rubbish prices because we live in fool Britannia. For many goods, Britain pays way over what other countries would pay. However, the reason why you are seeing such a massive difference in price is because the UK automatically adds tax into their purchases (VAT) whereas the Americans add it in after.

An FX-62 is $1,099.00 in the US
Using currency conversion it would be £597.42
Add 17.5% VAT and you get £701.97.
An FX-62 is £679.94 in the UK which seems about right (although it actually looks like newegg is a more expensive store than dabs - haha).
July 11, 2006 8:50:45 AM

Most internet purchases in the US don't include a sales tax, unless you're in the state in which the retailer has a physical presence in. So, in the end, it is cheaper because we don't have an insane 17.5% sales tax added on to every purchase.
July 11, 2006 9:34:14 AM

Ah, I didn't know the rules of internet transactions in the US. All I remember was when I was a kid and wanted to buy those super sour sweets in South Carolina, I had to calculate the tax on the spot. I think everyone in the US must be really good at maths (or math as you would say).
July 11, 2006 9:46:56 AM

Ordering from the states wont help, you'll have to pay 17,5% vat on it at customs, and on some goods (although I believe computers are currently exempt) there are import duty's as well.

Be glad you dont live in Sweeden. 25% VAT on general goods there.

VAT is a 'European Tax', and a requirement for all memberstates. UK only started using VAT in 1973. Of course there was still 'sales tax'. Unlike the USA shops in England include vat in the sticker price. Some online stores exclude vat, as business's prefer to know the pre-vat price.
July 11, 2006 9:53:15 AM

I was referriing to overall price when bought in the states, as opposed to the UK. I know you'd have to pay VAT if you imported from the UK. :) 

Either way, a 17.5% (or 25%!) sales tax is ridiculous. Stateside, the sales tax is all but negligble. That's probably why it's not included in the price - no one really cares about a 4% increase in price from sales tax.
July 11, 2006 10:29:22 AM

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Almost makes you wonder about ordering from a US site and gettin it Imported.....If it woks out cheaper, i say why not...


Yeah i've considered that.
But last time I did that I got landed with huge customs fees.. so i'm not so sure. I've been tempted to have the cpu/gpu delivered to a friend in America, who then ships it to me marked as a 'gift' [which avoids custom fees].

Those prices do seem to favor the AMD products though. I'll see what they look like near the end of July.
July 11, 2006 10:41:46 AM

The idea of marking as gift to avoid customs fee's is actually incorrect. HM Customs can still request to see the import papers, and charge taxes accordingly.

Senders must still fill in a customs declaration, or the goods risk being impounded by Customs when they arrive. Gives cannot exceed a value of £36. And dont confuse value with price. Your friend in america cant 'sell' you the processor for £10 pounds, and then export it to you. Customs will put whatever 'value' they see fit on the item.

I believe gifts over £36 can also be subjected to an additional 3.5% import duty, as well as the standard 17.5% vat.

If it was easy, and legal to avoid import duty's everyone would be doing it.
July 11, 2006 10:46:54 AM

How lame.

Well if prices stay the same for the UK - AMD is still looking like a very viable option for many.
July 11, 2006 10:55:18 AM

Hardly.. Core 2 Duos' are all dual core processors. They are considerably cheaper, and faster than the current UK prices for Athlon X2's.

Sure single core Athlon64's are cheaper than Core 2 Duos, but intel will be releaseing Core 2 Solo, or perhaps they will call it Celeron. These chips will likely go head to head with Athlon64's in the single core market, and still have Core 2 Duo's performance advantages.

But yes, to some degree in the low end single core market, AMD will have a large price advantage. In the Dual core market intel have price, and performance.

Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz £152.69 inc vat
Athlon X2 3800 £213.78inc vat

Core2 Duo X6800 'Extreme Edition' 2.93Ghz £775.44
Athlon FX62 £728.44 inc vat

But the FX62 is outperformed by the £252.57inc var E6600 2.4Ghz
July 11, 2006 11:08:54 AM

Quote:
Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz £152.69 inc vat
Athlon X2 3800 £213.78inc vat



The x2 3800 only costs 165 inc vat now
July 11, 2006 11:40:42 AM

Corsaik, AMD dual cores are set to halve in price within the next 2 weeks.
The prices I posted on the first post reflect how the AMD and Intel cpus will go to war post 7/24.
At about £20 more than the E6600, I think it's the 5000x2 that will be squaring off against it.
July 11, 2006 12:09:57 PM

This looks like its the recommended retail price that Intel has advised the UK distrubutors, as both http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ and http://www.dabs.com/ are pretty much the same with a difference of a penny on some of models... I am just waiting to see how much they will be at ebuyer, they r usually the cheapest.
July 11, 2006 1:47:04 PM

The Queen needs her luxuries you cheap gits :p 
July 11, 2006 4:05:15 PM

The way I judge whether Conroe prices seem excessive is by comparing them with the Core Duo mobile pricing. i.e. Find a Conroe with a similar official Intel pricing in dollars to a Yonah and then compare the UK retail pricing of the two. If there’s a big discrepancy then you are likely paying a scarcity premium.
The T2500 is $294 versus $316 for the E6600, yet the UK pricing is £200 versus £252. The wholesale distributor might be the culprit here though.

Quote:
Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz £152.69 inc vat
Athlon X2 3800 £213.78inc vat

The x2 3800 only costs 165 inc vat nowEclipse have the OEM version for £141.
July 11, 2006 5:07:02 PM

I live in the uk also. Prices are always sky high, companies blame vat/taxes, government blames unions. It's a circular farce.

The fact is, even if you take into account the vat(17.5%), we still pay between 15-20% high prices on most goods. I believe this occurs because companies think they can get away with it. Hell, it's cheaper for us(uk people) to import cars from the US/Europe(and paying shipping) than it is to buy the cars produced in our own country.

We are so used to paying higher prices for goods that we are now indifferent to it. What the government doesn't realise is that this actually forces people to seek foreign goods, thereby degrading the economy.

We should follow americas example, their economy is thriving, and this is mostly due to low tax and strong consumer buying power.

Personally i would like to get my next build from newegg, unfortunately the closest newegg location is france.
July 11, 2006 5:45:27 PM

Quote:


Personally i would like to get my next build from newegg, unfortunately the closest newegg location is france.


Link? www.newegg.fr aint workin guvnor...
July 11, 2006 6:27:13 PM

Quote:
Personally i would like to get my next build from newegg, unfortunately the closest newegg location is france.


I am now investigating a quick trip to France!
My parents used to plan day trips to pick up a van full of alcohol to last them years once every now and again back in the day..
[Disclaimer - My parents were not alcoholics. :lol:  ]
July 11, 2006 6:45:54 PM

Quote:

Personally i would like to get my next build from newegg, unfortunately the closest newegg location is france.

Where?
July 11, 2006 7:33:22 PM

Its good old US capitalism, UK is to tax heavy. Also removing those blasted unions will help :twisted:.
July 12, 2006 2:04:08 PM

Free healthcare and a full benefits system is expensive and UK citizens have to pay alot in tax to fund it. America is alot leaner with tax and is much more geared to the great biologist, Darwin's "strong survive and weak die" model. Maggie Thatcher moved closer towards this ideology at the late 70's and 80's as Britain had become bloated with socialistic attitudes.

Socialism can be bad because it doesn't encourage people to strive to be better - people just tend to get by and that's ok. Unfortunately, go too far towards the competetive capitalistic route and you end up with the tight rope effect. Essentially, anyone who can't cut it falls off which can penalise the potentially successful for small mistakes.

Since Maggie Thatcher reformed and essentially fixed Britain, capitalism has been effectively tempered with some socialism to make Britain a more hospitable place. It is for the people of the country to decide whether we have passed the point of left wing policies being a help or a hinderance. For this reason, I feel the democratic system in Britain is ace as we have a choice which way to go. Either we can have our Core 2 Duos cheap or we can look after those who have fallen ill because of our economy. Never let anyone say democracy is dead, they are fools or thieves.
July 12, 2006 7:44:54 PM

Wow, people don't usually take the time to comment on such thorny issues. Thanks for the input, it was appreciated. 8)
July 13, 2006 3:33:47 AM

Well I do agree that the classic laze-fair (sp?) economic theroy isnt quite perfect, I do think that a more appropriate Economy would be very capitalistic with soicalism mixed in in the right areas. As for small mistakes causing fast Collapses, it doesnt always hold true, just look at Intel and neburst :wink: . For example, welfare is way to abused by people, the best solution to this is not to hand them money, hand them a job application. If they cant work, thats different, if they can then the government should do what it did in the 30s, give them a job. If they dont want a job, to bad, no money. People should work to support themselves, its best not to just give it, but to give them what they need to help themselves. Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach him how to fish, feed him for a life time. Its a win-win situation.
July 13, 2006 3:43:51 AM

By the way, unemployment isn’t bad, in fact its good at a certain level.

Think about the 4 different types, frictional is people changing jobs and you will never be rid of that. Cyclical unemployment is the ups and downs of a market cycle, the best way to deal with that is to find a stable job field and to have alterative jobs in mind when the market goes down. Structural unemployment is unavoidable, its when a job field becomes obsolete (aka record player makers after CDs became mainstream), the best way to deal with that is to find a temporary job and learn a field that isn’t likely to die soon.

Unemployment is good in that it means the economy is flexable and can adapt to market demands. Any economist will tell you its EXTREMLY bad for an economy to be below 5% unemploment.

Basically the universal way to deal with all these problems is just to have some foresight and decent education. Everyone has the opportunity to go to school and do well, the government shouldn’t be responsible for poor decisions on their part.
July 13, 2006 3:47:47 AM

O I forgot Very good post :wink: .
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