voip quetion

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i had at one time vonage, but i was on cable,now i switch yo verizon DSL
and they are teling me that i cant have DSL stand alone,i have to get at
least local service in order to use voip on there DSL,my question, is it
true?or do i have to goback to cable? and what about people that whant
to use cell insted of a land line?any comments please? thank's Raphy

 

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Evil Raphy wrote:
> i had at one time vonage, but i was on cable,now i switch yo verizon DSL
> and they are teling me that i cant have DSL stand alone,i have to get at
> least local service in order to use voip on there DSL,my question, is it
> true?or do i have to goback to cable? and what about people that whant
> to use cell insted of a land line?any comments please? thank's Raphy

you have to see if in your erea there is anyone who offers "naked DSL",
that is DSL on the wire without an active dialtone from your telco.

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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 03:42:16 GMT, Evil Raphy <EvilRaphy@verizon.net>
wrote:

>and what about people that whant
>to use cell insted of a land line?any comments please?

in many countries you can't get a landline without a basic telephone
service included. So having DSL necessitates having a landline
service.

You don't need to plug a telephone in or use it, but the cost may be
uncompetitive compared to cable.

A similar situation might arise if you didn't want a CableTV service
but wanted their high speed internet servcie.

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"Evil Raphy" <EvilRaphy@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>i had at one time vonage, but i was on cable,now i switch yo verizon DSL
>and they are teling me that i cant have DSL stand alone,i have to get at
>least local service in order to use voip on there DSL,my question, is it
>true?or do i have to goback to cable? and what about people that whant to
>use cell insted of a land line?any comments please? thank's Raphy

Here in the states, I don't know about other countries, DSL is a tarrifed
ADD ON to local phone service. So, yes you do have to have a local line in
addition to the DSL. No local line, nothing to ADD to.

 

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John S. <john@mocha-n-micro-chips.com> wrote:
> Here in the states, I don't know about other countries, DSL is a tarrifed
> ADD ON to local phone service. So, yes you do have to have a local line in
> addition to the DSL. No local line, nothing to ADD to.

You can get DSL without dialtone in plenty of places in the USA.

miguel
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I think this is an issue where you are going to get people arguing both
sides becuase there may not be full understanding of the technology or
abbreviations. I believe with DSL, you need a landline, but with
cable, you do not. I too though am not 100% sure about that.

 

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Miguel Cruz wrote:
>
> Nope. POTS and DSL are both services that work across a pair of copper wires
> (such as, but by no means restricted to, a "phone line"). You can have one
> service or the other or both.
>
> miguel
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People confused about tech, regulations and company policy.

> but by no means restricted to, a "phone line"

Yes. But what else there that connects to your home with a telecom
equipment? Are you going to put another pair of copper wires to most
homes?

In reality, DSL runs over phone line. The phone company owns the phone
to your home. Any one wants to use it has to pay. Either you pay your
phone company directly or anohter service provider pays the phone
company to use the phone line.

It seems the originator's phone company has a policy to bundle DSL and
POTS.

 

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So what?

As I said in my first message: are you going to install another pair of
wires to every single home in the land?

You can reinvent wheel if you like. Nobody cares.

 

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<sinsrus@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>> but by no means restricted to, a "phone line"
>
> In reality, DSL runs over phone line. The phone company owns the phone
> to your home. Any one wants to use it has to pay. Either you pay your
> phone company directly or anohter service provider pays the phone
> company to use the phone line.

As one counterexample, I've been involved in several installations that
involved connecting buildings using pairs of DSL modems over copper wire
purchased from electrical supply shops.

miguel
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> > Here in the states, I don't know about other countries, DSL is a
tarrifed
> > ADD ON to local phone service. So, yes you do have to have a local line
in
> > addition to the DSL. No local line, nothing to ADD to.
>
> You can get DSL without dialtone in plenty of places in the USA.

And usually at a higher price.

 

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>>As one counterexample,

I think the confusion started from this "counterexample," You better
explain the point of counterexample.

 

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<sinsrus@hotmail.com> wrote:
> As I said in my first message: are you going to install another pair of
> wires to every single home in the land?

There is already a pair of wires to almost every single home in the land.
What's your point? (it might help if you didn't trim out all context)

miguel
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ukcats4218016@yahoo.com wrote:

> I think this is an issue where you are going to get people arguing both
> sides becuase there may not be full understanding of the technology or
> abbreviations. I believe with DSL, you need a landline, but with
> cable, you do not. I too though am not 100% sure about that.
>

Well, to demystify you here it is: with DSL you don't need a
dialtone/landline account IF your area allows it. It is called "naked
DSL" in some areas but depends on the state/province/city you're in
(yeah, I covered US & Canada on that one).

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