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I bought the Antec p180b case for my conroe build, and it has three 120mm fans. I will be getting the e6600 CPU and will o/c it a bit. With air cooling what is the upper limit I can OC it too? Will the 3 stock fans be enough? I don't want to sacrafice noise for performance right now as it is a new and fast CPU so there is no REAL need to OC too much.

BTW, I'll be back for OC instructions soon. :wink:
 

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The dealer has give me the Processor E6600. With air colling, you can easily go to 1600MHz FSB (400 in external clock) without adding the voltage. If you add voltage, the result can be much more than 3600MHz. Intel Conroe's OC ability is very good. I can use the intel heatsink fan and OC E6600 to 3.6GHz. Antec's case fans are not very noisy and the ventilation is high.You just need to let the ventilation good. Three Fans are enough and the fans can switch to a fast or slow speed.
 

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I bought the Antec p180b case for my conroe build, and it has three 120mm fans. I will be getting the e6600 CPU and will o/c it a bit. With air cooling what is the upper limit I can OC it too? Will the 3 stock fans be enough? I don't want to sacrafice noise for performance right now as it is a new and fast CPU so there is no REAL need to OC too much.

BTW, I'll be back for OC instructions soon. :wink:
A lot will depend on what motherboard you have, and it's ability to handle high FSB's.
 

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I bought the Antec p180b case for my conroe build, and it has three 120mm fans. I will be getting the e6600 CPU and will o/c it a bit. With air cooling what is the upper limit I can OC it too? Will the 3 stock fans be enough? I don't want to sacrafice noise for performance right now as it is a new and fast CPU so there is no REAL need to OC too much.

BTW, I'll be back for OC instructions soon. :wink:
A lot will depend on what motherboard you have, and it's ability to handle high FSB's.

Right now it looks like I'll be getting either of these p965 boards: the Abit AB9 PRO or the Gigabyte DQ6 (depending on how much the DQ6 is). Of course this may change depending on what other p965 boards come out in the next month or 2.
 

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I bought the Antec p180b case for my conroe build, and it has three 120mm fans. I will be getting the e6600 CPU and will o/c it a bit. With air cooling what is the upper limit I can OC it too? Will the 3 stock fans be enough? I don't want to sacrafice noise for performance right now as it is a new and fast CPU so there is no REAL need to OC too much.

BTW, I'll be back for OC instructions soon. :wink:

I dont understand why ppl are asking these questions, the chip isnt even out yet so no1 really knows the answers. Wait till they come out. Give the mobo manufacturers a month or 2 to pop out a few dozen different boards, then ask this question again.
 

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I bought the Antec p180b case for my conroe build, and it has three 120mm fans. I will be getting the e6600 CPU and will o/c it a bit. With air cooling what is the upper limit I can OC it too? Will the 3 stock fans be enough? I don't want to sacrafice noise for performance right now as it is a new and fast CPU so there is no REAL need to OC too much.

BTW, I'll be back for OC instructions soon. :wink:

I dont understand why ppl are asking these questions, the chip isnt even out yet so no1 really knows the answers. Wait till they come out. Give the mobo manufacturers a month or 2 to pop out a few dozen different boards, then ask this question again.

A lot of the people here know quite a bit of information on these products so I thought I could ask now. I figure this information is available for those who know which resources to turn to. Since I do not know those resources I am turning to this forum. But I'll be sure to ask you again in a few months. :wink:
 

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I bought the Antec p180b case for my conroe build, and it has three 120mm fans. I will be getting the e6600 CPU and will o/c it a bit. With air cooling what is the upper limit I can OC it too? Will the 3 stock fans be enough? I don't want to sacrafice noise for performance right now as it is a new and fast CPU so there is no REAL need to OC too much.

BTW, I'll be back for OC instructions soon. :wink:

I dont understand why ppl are asking these questions, the chip isnt even out yet so no1 really knows the answers. Wait till they come out. Give the mobo manufacturers a month or 2 to pop out a few dozen different boards, then ask this question again.

Exactly!
Nobody hear can answer your question from experience. People who give you advice to your question will be giving you advice strictly from what they have heard or read. Give it a couple months before the bugs get worked out and compatability issues are resolved.
 

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Exactly!
Nobody hear can answer your question from experience. People who give you advice to your question will be giving you advice strictly from what they have heard or read. Give it a couple months before the bugs get worked out and compatability issues are resolved.
Don't take the advice of one of the most loathed posters on these forums. You say it's black, she'll say it's white.
 
With the stock cooler, you should be able to get the 6600 to at the very least, 2.8, but 3.0 would definitly be within it's range. If you get an aftermarket heatsink like the Zalman CNPS9500 you could probably take it up to 3.4 or higher. Of course, as other people have said... this all depends on the motherboard you have, as well as the ram.
 

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I have read that 3.6GHz under stock cooling is easily achievable. I hope this is true, as the Gigabyte Q6 board I want has a big backplate (crazy cooler thing) in the way of aftermarket coolers which is likely to rule out the Zalman S9500 I wanted as well!

All early indications are, Conro overclocks like an absalute beast. Don't skimp on the motherboard and I'd guess (from what I have read) you will have lots of joy. Oh yeah, to the OP, that's the case I am getting as well! Where we seperated at birth? :wink: :D
 

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I have read that 3.6GHz under stock cooling is easily achievable. I hope this is true, as the Gigabyte Q6 board I want has a big backplate (crazy cooler thing) in the way of aftermarket coolers which is likely to rule out the Zalman S9500 I wanted as well!

All early indications are, Conro overclocks like an absalute beast. Don't skimp on the motherboard and I'd guess (from what I have read) you will have lots of joy. Oh yeah, to the OP, that's the case I am getting as well! Where we seperated at birth? :wink: :D
lcandy...Don't know if you seen any reviews on that Gigabyte mobo. Anandtech reviewed some boards, and could only get 376 FSB with a E6700(with an E6600...376x9 would be 3384). They think a BIOS update will clear that up, and overall, were very impressed with the board. Just thought i'd mention the article, not to disuade you from getting the board. :wink:


http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797&p=8
 

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Since Core 2 can run much cooler than previous Intel chips you don't have much worry about overheating. I sure with E6600 stock cooler it can be overclock to 20% at stock voltage without endangering that cpu.

I have seen a Core 2 running with just the heat sink on and the fan turned off and then there's one overclock to 4Ghz on just passive heatsink cooler, but still manage to run below it's threshold.

Im not suggesting you do this extreme stuff, you need to show some love for your future Core 2 E6600 cpu and get the best air cooler out there.

I can suggest the Thermaltake Big Typhoon and Zalman 9500 heatsink fans. There among the best HSF you can buy, bit expensive compare to other but high performance coolers aren't cheap. All and all it's a great value.

Or you can water cool your future E6600 if you don't mind. Since it's a cool running CPU you won't be needing to spend over $300 for water cooling and instead get the entry-level liquid cooling kits from Kingwin and or CoolerMaster. You can even overclock the cpu with a low-end water cooler since it's has low-heat output.

And also don't forget to get some aftermarket thermal paste like Artic Silver 5 or OCZ to reduce temps a bit more which helps a lot in overall cooling performance.
 

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I have read that 3.6GHz under stock cooling is easily achievable. I hope this is true, as the Gigabyte Q6 board I want has a big backplate (crazy cooler thing) in the way of aftermarket coolers which is likely to rule out the Zalman S9500 I wanted as well!

All early indications are, Conro overclocks like an absalute beast. Don't skimp on the motherboard and I'd guess (from what I have read) you will have lots of joy. Oh yeah, to the OP, that's the case I am getting as well! Where we seperated at birth? :wink: :D
lcandy...Don't know if you seen any reviews on that Gigabyte mobo. Anandtech reviewed some boards, and could only get 376 FSB with a E6700(with an E6600...376x9 would be 3384). They think a BIOS update will clear that up, and overall, were very impressed with the board. Just thought i'd mention the article, not to disuade you from getting the board. :wink:


http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797&p=8

Unless you could recomend a better board, I'll still be going for that one, as I like the feature list, and Q6 just sounds cool hehe. I did read the review, but am assuming most Conro motherboards are in their infancy and BIOS updates will improve things massively. I just dont want to wait to get my hands on one is all! And if I am stuck at a pathetic 3.4GHz Conro, I will just about be able to live with it :wink:

Many thanks for the advice :) 8) :)
 

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The board we would choose for our own Conroe system is the ASUS P5W-DH Deluxe. Performance is rock solid and the feature set is superb. It is the best overclocker of the eight boards here and it is based on the 975X chipset, which allows the X6800 to be set to both higher and lower multipliers. You cannot set higher multipliers on the P965 and 965 overclocking is poorer on every board we tested than 975X overclocking. We could recommend the 965 if it were cheaper, but the ASUS P5W-DH costs $269 on-line, the ASUS P5B is the SAME price, and the Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6 is $269. If you don't plan to aggressively overclock the Intel 975XBX is fast at stock and solid at about $250 to $260. The DFI Infinity 975X/G is also a stable and solid 975X, but it has a hard overclocking wall at 385 FSB - a problem other major 975 board makers have worked around. At the current $249, the DFI price looks high for the features and performance it brings to the table.

With the slightly slower performance, multiplier problems, and poorer overclocking 965 has to be a good deal cheaper than 975X for us to recommend the current 965 boards, The Biostar TForce P965 Deluxe meets our requirements and provides excellent value with an online price of around $135. The Biostar is not quite as good an overclocker as the ASUS at 372 or the Gigabyte at 376, but at just 12 FSB lower (364 MHz) we can definitely justify paying half the price for the Biostar. Overall the Biostar P965 was stable with average to above average performance among the 7 boards. As the cheapest 965 in the roundup the Biostar performed very well. There will be cheaper 965 boards from Gigabyte and others that will likely be good options to compete with the Biostar. Until we see much more from the P965 chipset than we now see, the P965 needs to be a good deal cheaper to be recommended.

The ASUS P5N32-SLI SE is the only board currently available that brings NVIDIA SLI to Conroe. That will be an important consideration for many. However, it is based on the older nForce4 Intel Edition chipset and suffers from very poor FSB overclocking when compared to the Intel chipsets for Conroe. On the other hand, if you plan to use an X6800 the ASUS P5N32-SLI SE does support higher multipliers and can likely take your X6800 wherever it can go on overclocking by adjusting multipliers instead of FSB. If you plan to use one of the locked Conroes (E6700 and below), you will not be happy with the limited FSB overclocking performance of the P5N32-SLI SE. nForce 500 Conroe boards will be out in August and September, and overclockability on Conroe should improve up to 10% over the P5N32-SLI SE according to NVIDIA. That's still a far cry from the 400+ overclocks some of the 975X boards are reaching, however. Overall, the board turned in some excellent performance scores and swept the 1600x1200 game benchmark results.

Last is the ASRock 775Dual-VSTA. What can you expect for $55? Actually the performance is pretty decent considering the board supports AGP 8X and PCIe only up to 4X. This should not be a real issue with a value system which would use a cheaper video card. It is also a real option for any remaining AGP video card owners. With this $55 board and an E6300, you can put together a value system with remarkable performance. Throw in 2GB of Value DDR2 for $120 to $147, run the system at DDR2-667 at the fast memory timings this board supports, include a good midrange GPU like the 7600GT, and you will have a value rocket. The ASRock is not the system to grow to top video with, but if screaming value is what you want the ASRock can deliver.

All six of the brands tested in High- Performance DDR2 were based on the latest Micron memory chips. All six reached DDR2-1067 and most also hit DDR2-1100 or higher. The real key here is the memory that can do 4-4-4 or near 4-4-4 timings at DDR2-1067. Those timings at DDR2-1067 can actually improve performance and make it worth running 1067 instead of running the DDR2-800 3-3-3 all of these DIMMs could run. Three of the memories stood out for slightly better timings, a bit more headroom, or slightly lower voltages required than the others. These are the Mushkin PC-8000 Redline, Corsair PC2-8500C5, and OCZ PC2-8000 Platinum EL. Any of the six memories will satisfy a high-end DDR2 buyer, but these three are the best of the best. At $400 to $450 for a 2GB kit the price is steep, but if you want the best DDR2 you can buy these should be your choice.

The Value DDR2 tests comparing seven 2GB DDR2 kits at less than $200 provided quite a few surprises. ALL of the seven brands reached DDR2-800 with a voltage increase to around 2.2V. This performance was a complete surprise for DDR2 memory kits rated at DDR-533 or DDR2-667. Most of the value kits also reached DDR2-800 memory timings of 4-3-3. This is only slightly slower than our High-Performance DDR2 group at DDR2-800 3-3-3. This means performance of this group is almost exactly the same at DDR2-800 or DDR2-667 as the High-Performance DDR2 - at less than half the price! We will have additional Conroe performance test results from this group in a future article.

If you want the absolute top performance in DDR2 you should still choose from the High-Performance group, but Value DDR2 on Conroe is shaping up to be remarkable in performance. Unless you have to have the absolute best, you can save $200 to $300 by buying one of these value DDR2 2GB kits instead. The Wintec AMPX 3AXD2675-1G2S-R and AData Vitesta ELJKD1A16K both stood out in this group by providing slightly better timings and/or slightly lower voltages than the others. They also cost $147 and $144 for a 2GB kit. ANY of the seven memories in this value roundup that are based on Elpida chips should perform similarly. We were not as impressed with Infineon chip value memory. The Infineon did mange lower voltages than the Elpida DIMMs, but at the price of slower memory timings. There is also the PQI PQI25400-2GDB memory, which at $117 with rebate is the cheapest we tested. It required a bit more voltage to reach the timings of the other Elpida value DIMMs, but if price is your guiding light $117 for 2GB of DDR2 that will do DDR2-800 is a steal.
AnandTech 7/19/2006
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797&p=19
 

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I have read that 3.6GHz under stock cooling is easily achievable. I hope this is true, as the Gigabyte Q6 board I want has a big backplate (crazy cooler thing) in the way of aftermarket coolers which is likely to rule out the Zalman S9500 I wanted as well!

All early indications are, Conro overclocks like an absalute beast. Don't skimp on the motherboard and I'd guess (from what I have read) you will have lots of joy. Oh yeah, to the OP, that's the case I am getting as well! Where we seperated at birth? :wink: :D
lcandy...Don't know if you seen any reviews on that Gigabyte mobo. Anandtech reviewed some boards, and could only get 376 FSB with a E6700(with an E6600...376x9 would be 3384). They think a BIOS update will clear that up, and overall, were very impressed with the board. Just thought i'd mention the article, not to disuade you from getting the board. :wink:


http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797&p=8

Unless you could recomend a better board, I'll still be going for that one, as I like the feature list, and Q6 just sounds cool hehe. I did read the review, but am assuming most Conro motherboards are in their infancy and BIOS updates will improve things massively. I just dont want to wait to get my hands on one is all! And if I am stuck at a pathetic 3.4GHz Conro, I will just about be able to live with it :wink:

Many thanks for the advice :) 8) :)No, like i said, i'm not trying to change your mind about the Gigabyte...it sounds like a great board once they get the BIOS straightened out. I just thought i'd point out that review, and if 376 really is the mobo limit, then you won't be hitting 3.6.
 

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Fantastic response RichPLS, probably more than my small brain can take in. So this is kind of in response to both you and Chuckshissle for the CPU cooler recomendations.

I do plan to aggressively overclock the Conro E6600 by using higher FSB and possibly higher voltage settings. My eventual goal will probably be 3.6GHz but I might push for more if the motherboard will eventually allows it. Although 3.4GHz will be fine for now until they get their BIOS's in gear.

My first choice would have been the ASUS P5W-DH Deluxe, however, I have been warned that they can not guarantee it will ship with a BIOS that supports Conro, and may need an older chip to get it up and running. This isn't an option for me sadly. Even so, I won't be considering the amazing X6800 as it is too far outside my price range. Additionaly, I will only be running one single HIS X-1800 GTO (hopefully overclocked and unlocked!) - so SLi is not an issue for me either.

I could be looking at 4, slow moving, 12cm case fans, and wanted a motherboard which included lots of passive cooling - I really want cool and quiet (also going for a Seasonic 500W ATX 2 for more quietness). That's why I went for the gigabyte board, as all that shiney copper made my eyes sparkle. In your fantastic review and post here, I have seen nothing to indicate to me that it won't be a good choice - I just have one massive issue with it, that so far hasn't been resolved:

Will that copper backplate, huge amount of copper around the northbridge and big solid state capacitors accomodate a Big Tyhoon or Zalman 9500?

Because I'm not a big spender and this is going to make me nearly broke, It's only going to have probably 2GB of Patriot Signature 667, but your review made me consider Corsair 2GB DDR2 Value Select PC5300 LC:3 as surprisingly good value.

And lastly, I am expecting better motherboards to come racing around the corner come August and September, but August is my only time totaly free. So I want to get all this within the next week and finish in time to enjoy a month of toying around and having fun with the system. I know, logic says wait, heart says now now now!

P.S. can you be my personal system builder advisor or do you charge? :lol: Many thanks all the same for any additional help.

P.P.S 1Tanker, I hope that isn't the case, but I'll just have to speculate a little that Gigabyte will provide good support for their product, which they seem to have in the past. If not, then I went into it with my eyes open and wont be that dissapointed in the end anyway.
 

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Some online shops like monarch computers, iirc, will upgrade the BIOS for you when buying a board from them... PC Nut used to also but changed name ??...

maybe someone could post others that do this too.
 

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Hmmm could really do with finding out if either of those two CPU coolers fit onto that Gigabyte board. I can't find anywhere in the UK, with or without reasonable prices that can supply your recommended board with the new bios. Looks like I’m out of options and my impatience is annoying everyone around me.

Please save my family and friends from causing me serious harm.