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July 16, 2006 12:26:22 AM

What will AMD do after seeing what Conroe is capable of ?

Since AMD has hired some people from Intel for the last past few years, does anyone think that AMD did not know what was coming ?

Today, Intel has the better chips. I would like to know about tommorrow.

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July 16, 2006 12:30:07 AM

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What will AMD do after seeing what Conroe is capable of ?

They will put a finger in their @$$H0L3 and will panic.
July 16, 2006 12:44:10 AM

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What will AMD do after seeing what Conroe is capable of ?

Since AMD has hired some people from Intel for the last past few years, does anyone think that AMD did not know what was coming ?

Today, Intel has the better chips. I would like to know about tommorrow.



I believe I read on anandtech that AMD has no plans for 2006 on their roadmaps? But in 2007 I guess they are working on their 4x4, dual socket + dual core processors from what I understand, not really sure didn't read the roadmap myself
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July 16, 2006 1:13:42 AM

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Today, Intel has the better chips. I would like to know about tommorrow.


My magic 8-ball says:

It's possible.

I don't k now exactly what that means in relation to your question, but it's actually about as good an answer one might be able to get. If that's not good enough I can get out my ouiga board.
July 16, 2006 1:22:38 AM

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What will AMD do after seeing what Conroe is capable of ?

Since AMD has hired some people from Intel for the last past few years, does anyone think that AMD did not know what was coming ?

Today, Intel has the better chips. I would like to know about tommorrow.



I believe I read on anandtech that AMD has no plans for 2006 on their roadmaps? But in 2007 I guess they are working on their 4x4, dual socket + dual core processors from what I understand, not really sure didn't read the roadmap myself

Hey, will that 4x4 be standard or Automatic? :roll:
July 16, 2006 1:25:05 AM

automatic

42 inch wheels, 3ft lift, 440 cubic inch engine that runs off alcohol...
July 16, 2006 1:28:39 AM

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Hey, will that 4x4 be standard or Automatic? :roll:


More importantly, will it have overdrive?
July 16, 2006 1:32:06 AM

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Hey, will that 4x4 be standard or Automatic? :roll:


More importantly, will it have overdrive?

Oh you betcha, it's also called Hard Drive... ba dum bum tshhh lol
July 16, 2006 1:54:28 AM

Watch AMD press its anti-trust lawsuit against Intel, with or without merit. Desperate times take desperate measures.

It worked for NTP against RIM. SCO only activity is bringing lawsuits claiming violations to their patents they purchased. Rambus has lived off its various lawsuits.
July 16, 2006 2:23:50 AM

Does anyone know any details about the 4x4 in regards to what processors will be compatible, when the supposed release date and at what price point they are looking to sell this at??
Amd has been kinda ambigious about their whole explaination of the thing and some people say that only FX based processors will be compatible to it.......anyone know anything about this?
July 16, 2006 2:37:00 AM

Kay ate El'
July 16, 2006 2:39:24 AM

Lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit. Has anyone noticed that AMD's legal news has picked up in the last several weeks. I expect to see several new legal anouncements coming from AMD from now till the end of the year. I hope they have enough money left over to pay for the new fabs after they pay the lawyers.
July 16, 2006 3:28:01 AM

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What will AMD do after seeing what Conroe is capable of ?

Since AMD has hired some people from Intel for the last past few years, does anyone think that AMD did not know what was coming ?

Today, Intel has the better chips. I would like to know about tommorrow.


I don't think that Conroe has anything to do with AMD's plans.

AMD has been working for almost two years on 4 core cpu's and they should be on the market early in 2007.
The 4 core units will use the same power as the todays dual core units and will have a new type of cashe ram called ZRAM that AMD bought the rights to a few months ago.

For the server market AMD will use the new desigen in a 16 core cpu.

Google is your friend.
July 16, 2006 3:48:41 AM

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I don't think that Conroe has anything to do with AMD's plans.


Maybe not, but wouldn't it have been fun to be a fly on the wall in high-level AMD meetings when Conroe benchmarks were reported?

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The 4 core units will use the same porwer as the todays dual core units and will have a new type of cashe ram called ZRAM that AMD bought the rights to a few months ago.


I look forward to seeing this tech become available.

Does "cashe" mean expensive memory?
July 16, 2006 4:26:08 AM

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Does anyone know any details about the 4x4 in regards to what processors will be compatible, when the supposed release date and at what price point they are looking to sell this at??
Amd has been kinda ambigious about their whole explaination of the thing and some people say that only FX based processors will be compatible to it.......anyone know anything about this?


I believe they are supposed to be launched sometime in the 3rd quarter of this year, and in limited supplies... Cost is probably going to be very expensive, I expect about $1,000 x 2 for the CPU's alone.
And AMD has only indicated it is for FX chips only, which I believe is hardware related, and the X2 are not capable.
But it seems Intel will also release a quad core CPU sometime this year too, probably first I suspect.
July 16, 2006 4:37:27 AM

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I don't think that Conroe has anything to do with AMD's plans.


Maybe not, but wouldn't it have been fun to be a fly on the wall in high-level AMD meetings when Conroe benchmarks were reported?

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The 4 core units will use the same porwer as the todays dual core units and will have a new type of cashe ram called ZRAM that AMD bought the rights to a few months ago.


I look forward to seeing this tech become available.

Does "cashe" mean expensive memory?

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Does "cashe" mean expensive memory?


The memory on the cpu itself.
The new ZRAM was developed by a company here in California and AMD jumped on it for the rights as fast as they could.

It is alot faster than normal cpu memory and it takes almost no power at all compaired to what is used today as well as useing less core space and heat reduction.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1913489,00.asp

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July 16, 2006 5:11:18 AM

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I don't think that Conroe has anything to do with AMD's plans.


Maybe not, but wouldn't it have been fun to be a fly on the wall in high-level AMD meetings when Conroe benchmarks were reported?

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The 4 core units will use the same porwer as the todays dual core units and will have a new type of cashe ram called ZRAM that AMD bought the rights to a few months ago.


I look forward to seeing this tech become available.

Does "cashe" mean expensive memory?

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Does "cashe" mean expensive memory?


The memory on the cpu itself.
The new ZRAM was developed by a company here in California and AMD jumped on it for the rights as fast as they could.

It is alot faster than normal cpu memory and it takes almost no power at all compaired to what is used today as well as useing less core space and heat reduction.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1913489,00.asp

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If you read you will find that this is part of how AMD will be able to make four cores use the same power as the dual core they make now...but it is just one of many patents they bought rights to that will let them build cpu's with as many as 32 cores for servers that they plan to have out in late 2008.

Whatever makes the best server chips will benifet the small office/destop users as all of your A64 chips today are really only server chips that did not cut the grade and have been marked according to what they still can do (ie: cashe,speed,voltage).

Another example is given the fact that the cores (the parts on them) are mesured in nano-meters ,a waffer has some DOA cores and many do not preform as intended in some form. Even the same prodution durring the same day does not ever give the same ratio of fully intended parts per waffer.

This is a reason that after two years of production both companys will start to offer "budget" cpu's...all stockpiled from the low end cores that did not cut the grade...or a EXTREEM/FX that did better than the rest.

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July 16, 2006 5:20:21 AM

So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?
July 16, 2006 5:24:43 AM

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So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?


Correct, it is called binning. They test the parts, and the parts that dont run as fast are the cheaper parts. Everything at this level is statistically based.
July 16, 2006 5:31:38 AM

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So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?


Well more like your 4800 was off the same waffer as a 4200 and an FX.
All the cores on that waffer were ment to be one product and just bin'ed after testing befor they print the mod number on it.
Intel runs into the same issues.

Both Intel and AMD have rights to patents that I wish I owned. :!:
It would be a sweet thing to see the best of both in one product.

Z

EDIT: That is why I spend the small extra amount to buy a 2Ghz Optron rather than a 2Ghz A64. All my Optron 146 builds (with real psu's...PC Cooling) run a 50% over clock on stock voltage and never get warm (Thermalright SI-120 coolers and Coolermaster cases with exit fan guard(s) removed). Idle 2C above room temps.
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July 16, 2006 5:39:01 AM

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So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?


Correct, it is called binning. They test the parts, and the parts that dont run as fast are the cheaper parts. Everything at this level is statistically based.

Cheaper parts! I'll have you know the lady who bought this for me worked non stop for two solid days.
July 16, 2006 5:46:12 AM

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So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?


Well more like your 4800 was off the same waffer as a 4200 and an FX.
All the cores on that waffer were ment to be one product and just bin'ed after testing befor they print the mod number on it.
Intel runs into the same issues.

Both Intel and AMD have rights to patents that I wish I owned. :!:
It would be a sweet thing to see the best of both in one product.

Z

EDIT: That is why I spend the small extra amount to buy a 2Ghz Optron rather than a 2Ghz A64. All my Optron 146 builds (with real psu's...PC Cooling) run a 50% over clock on stock voltage and never get warm (Thermalright SI-120 coolers and Coolermaster cases with exit fan guard(s) removed). Idle 2C above room temps.
July 16, 2006 5:46:21 AM

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So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?


Correct, it is called binning. They test the parts, and the parts that dont run as fast are the cheaper parts. Everything at this level is statistically based.

Cheaper parts! I'll have you know the lady who bought this for me worked non stop for two solid days.

Haha, well, since they dont clock as high, they sell them as a slower part for less money. Sometimes they will disable the cache too to catch rejects that due to the cache. Thats one reason they may offer a 2M and a 4M version. So if a part can not pass for either the speed or the cache, it will be sold as one of the slower 2M parts for less money.

This allows the companies to make a profit on any part that works correctly, no matter what speed it runs at. If they only sold parts at 1 performance level, they would either have to sell them at the slowest speed in order to have the maximum yield, or sell them at the highest speed and have very low yield. Make sense?
July 16, 2006 6:24:41 AM

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So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?


Correct, it is called binning. They test the parts, and the parts that dont run as fast are the cheaper parts. Everything at this level is statistically based.

lol!
July 16, 2006 6:32:09 AM

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So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?


Correct, it is called binning. They test the parts, and the parts that dont run as fast are the cheaper parts. Everything at this level is statistically based.

lol!

haha, i realized afterwards that i probably didn't put enough thought into this post.
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July 16, 2006 6:34:20 AM

This one? I have never used a passive CPU heatsink.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...

You mention your Opteron overclock 50%. Yow! I keep screwin around with my 4800X2. I'm going to lower the CAS Latency to 2 (at 2.5) and see where I get.

I'm setting here overclocking this rig I built two nights ago. I'll crash, then I'll back down. I finally got it to a sweet spot for now. I have it 2.4 with the RAM at 2-3-3-7. Runs nice there. I haven't messed with the voltages. Last time I did that I destroyed a new Gigabyte/AMD 3400. Melted right through the MB and singed the case behind it brown. I want my son to play WoW on it afterwhile. If I don't melt it first. Here the rig I built:

AMD 64 Socket 754 Clawhammer 2.2 (@2.4
EPOX Nforce 4 SLI
EVGA 7600GT x 2 580/1500
Corsair XMS PC3200 2-3-3-7
Maxtor 300 SATA 16 meg.
Zalman 9500s full speed mounted sideways (like the movie)
Antec 550w SLI dual 12v 19/19
Coolermaster case

idle 39/42c load (got my finfers crossed)
July 16, 2006 8:03:38 AM

Why waiting about Conroe.Amd slashing up their prices.Buy it up. :wink: HEY DO NOT BLAME ME WHEN CONROE IS RELEASED
July 16, 2006 9:36:16 AM

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What will AMD do after seeing what Conroe is capable of ?

Since AMD has hired some people from Intel for the last past few years, does anyone think that AMD did not know what was coming ?

Today, Intel has the better chips. I would like to know about tommorrow.


Chapter 11 -- no not really, in all seriousness -- they will slip back into old form, bouncing between black and red until K8L arrives. Their very first priority though is get 65 nm going asap.
JackThis is a good perspective of what needs to be done, and what could happen until it does. Not using fact-based numbers, but drives the point home nonetheless. :wink:

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00996/
July 16, 2006 4:00:36 PM

I am hearing that the 4 X 4 platform will include other processors than the FX series. If that is true, you could use some of AMD's other processors.
July 16, 2006 5:16:18 PM

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I am hearing that the 4 X 4 platform will include other processors than the FX series. If that is true, you could use some of AMD's other processors.


You should not believe everything you hear.

Even if it is physically possible to have non-FX processors in a 4x4, AMD might not support them, because such a move might diminish their Opteron sales by a long way.

But if is true, if the 4x4 accepts non-FX processors, it could be interesting...

But then, Intel might just release a cheap desktop chipset for their Woodcrests.
July 16, 2006 5:45:06 PM

AMD always has and currently states that 4x4 is only for FX processors...
Now they did not call out that it would not work for X2's, but the word only speaks for itself...
July 16, 2006 11:35:57 PM

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That is why I spend the small extra amount to buy a 2Ghz Optron rather than a 2Ghz A64. All my Optron 146 builds (with real psu's...PC Cooling) run a 50% over clock on stock voltage and never get warm (Thermalright SI-120 coolers and Coolermaster cases with exit fan guard(s) removed). Idle 2C above room temps.


I know it's not necessary for CPUs to idle that cool, but the 2 Optys we have here do and it's very comforting.
July 17, 2006 12:16:38 AM

There next more will be to try and keep there head above water and pray for help. They don't have a answer to conroe for at least a year. Conroe scalls very well and Intel can clock it higher without much trouble. I'd guess they choice not to go any higher then they did at the begining cause they just don't need to.

And regarding 4x4. It wont help at all. We've already proven that dual core from anyone is junk for gaming. Never had beat a single core. So to think that qaud core would help is pointless. Fact is if intel made conroe single core if would blast a hole in the universe. Intel is back on top and it should be that way for at least a few years. The technology is just to good.
July 17, 2006 12:18:58 AM

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Today, Intel has the better chips. I would like to know about tommorrow.


My magic 8-ball says:

It's possible.

I don't k now exactly what that means in relation to your question, but it's actually about as good an answer one might be able to get. If that's not good enough I can get out my ouiga board. Chanting helps speed the process.
July 17, 2006 12:59:58 AM

I wonder how long my brand new socket AM2 MOBO will last. I was blown away with Intels benchmarks.... the slowest conroe was going faster than the FX-62.
July 17, 2006 1:06:33 AM

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I wonder how long my brand new socket AM2 MOBO will last. I was blown away with Intels benchmarks.... the slowest conroe was going faster than the FX-62.


I wouldn't worry. Your FX-62 will work fine. All this means is that you would have been able to get a better computer for the same price if you have waited (which is always true). How long it lasts depends on what you are using it for. But it should be good for atleast 2 years.
July 17, 2006 1:09:52 AM

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I wonder how long my brand new socket AM2 MOBO will last. I was blown away with Intels benchmarks.... the slowest conroe was going faster than the FX-62.


Your AM2 based PC, or whatever you have, will last for as long as you are happy with it.

If you have to always have the latest technology, then you can never really be happy for longer than it takes you to unwrap it.

If you want a certain level of performance from your PC, then you can be happy whilst it lasts. And when it doesn't, change to the latest and greatest that fits your budget at the time, no matter who makes it.
July 17, 2006 1:34:15 AM

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Fact is if intel made conroe single core if would blast a hole in the universe.
Intel would be stupid to make a single core Conroe their flagship; single core processors are no longer and will never be the performance kings again.
July 17, 2006 1:41:44 AM

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Why waiting about Conroe.Amd slashing up their prices.Buy it up. :wink: HEY DO NOT BLAME ME WHEN CONROE IS RELEASED


lol...nice disclaimer!
July 17, 2006 1:55:07 AM

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I wonder how long my brand new socket AM2 MOBO will last. I was blown away with Intels benchmarks.... the slowest conroe was going faster than the FX-62.


Dude, im gonna use intel to make ya feel better :) 
remember good ol socket 775? yep, its what conroes use. But man, you remember those pentium Ds? oh right they were also 775. hmm, how did they do that?
yeah, dont worry, i think AM2 is here to stay, at least untill 65nm comes out. and even then itll prolly still be widely used :) 

Conroe is faser but oh well. You dont need to run Doom at 800x600 at 300 fps ;)  you just need something that runs.

if you were always waiting for the next best thing (liek not buying cause something better is coming out later) you would prolly nea buy anything :) 
July 17, 2006 2:05:11 AM

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Conroe is faser but oh well. You dont need to run Doom at 800x600 at 300 fps ;) 


Wait!. What do you mean! Why not? Whats wrong with 300FPS :wink:

Just playing,

Peace
July 17, 2006 2:26:59 AM

My prediction is AMD will save money by buying cases of Pepto and Mylanta.... You know being a market dude there right now would keep me awake at night (I would be whipping the engineers around the clock....) All jokes not with standing I think AMD will come up with something to compete but it will not be tomaro. Intel will enjoy the price/performance lead for at least 12 months (I dont realy count 4X4 as thats more of a band aid fix for performance envy)

Edit: Perhaps they could switch out the water cooler with a 5 gallon Pepto cooler... hehehehe
July 17, 2006 2:47:38 AM

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There next more will be to try and keep there head above water and pray for help. They don't have a answer to conroe for at least a year. Conroe scalls very well and Intel can clock it higher without much trouble. I'd guess they choice not to go any higher then they did at the begining cause they just don't need to.

And regarding 4x4. It wont help at all. We've already proven that dual core from anyone is junk for gaming. Never had beat a single core. So to think that qaud core would help is pointless. Fact is if intel made conroe single core if would blast a hole in the universe. Intel is back on top and it should be that way for at least a few years. The technology is just to good.



Well as far as 4x4 everyone who expected that it would only work on FX is in for a surprise. FX only has one HT link not 3 as previously thought. AMDs own site says that only Opteron has more than one link.

There is no difference in FX and X2 in that way.
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July 17, 2006 2:52:49 AM

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I wonder how long my brand new socket AM2 MOBO will last. I was blown away with Intels benchmarks.... the slowest conroe was going faster than the FX-62.


If gaming is your top priority, then I wouldn't worry too much since most games are limited by the GPU.

But there are games like Oblivion and Prey that will also benefit from a fast CPU as well. Whatever AM2 CPU you have should keep you happy for at least another year. By that time more info may come out for K8L. Will AMD pull a rabbit out of it's hat? Who knows.

Me? I'll be upgrading to Conroe cause my CPU is the "old" Athlon XP-M.
July 17, 2006 3:59:53 AM

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So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?


Correct, it is called binning. They test the parts, and the parts that dont run as fast are the cheaper parts. Everything at this level is statistically based.

Binning is also a process that lets us mere humans get a tiny glimple of what AMD and Intel's yields are actually like.

The release of the various speed grades is, of course, linked to available performance, but it's also linked to demand as well.

In a perfect world, for example, let's pretend every single wafer at FAB 30 producted 100% workable FX-62s at full speed... not everybody can afford a $1000 CPU so AMD would mark down a bunch of fully functional FX-62s to say 4200+ chips just to even up supply and demand. -ie make as many FX62s as they can sell, then make as many AM5000+ as they can sell, then 4600+, etc, etc...

Historically you can tell how well a company's yields are by how well their chips overclock. - To use Intel as an example, when the Coppermine PIIIs were in the 650 to 1 ghz range Intel's yields were lousy - there were very few 800 mhz +parts, and those there were barely made it - if you got an 800+ you might OC to 850 or 900, but not much beyond.... AMD had a similar situation with their first 130 nano parts, they barely overclocked also.

Botton line?

If the 2.4 ghz parts all OC to 3.2+, chances are yields are pretty darn good, if you buy a 2.4 ghz part and it barely makes it to 2.6, chances are yields suck...

Not perfect by any means, but right more than it's wrong...
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July 17, 2006 4:06:39 AM

Naw, give me a heavy-duty 6-speed manual, electrohydraulically-activated transfer case and front and rear locking diffs powered by a ~6L 32-valve turbocharged and intercooled diesel with a boatload of boost. A 440 on alcohol will get something like 5 mpg...
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July 17, 2006 4:07:32 AM

I think Intel stopped making OverDrive a long time ago :D 
July 17, 2006 4:24:36 AM

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So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?


Correct, it is called binning. They test the parts, and the parts that dont run as fast are the cheaper parts. Everything at this level is statistically based.

Binning is also a process that lets us mere humans get a tiny glimple of what AMD and Intel's yields are actually like.

The release of the various speed grades is, of course, linked to available performance, but it's also linked to demand as well.

In a perfect world, for example, let's pretend every single wafer at FAB 30 producted 100% workable FX-62s at full speed... not everybody can afford a $1000 CPU so AMD would mark down a bunch of fully functional FX-62s to say 4200+ chips just to even up supply and demand. -ie make as many FX62s as they can sell, then make as many AM5000+ as they can sell, then 4600+, etc, etc...

Historically you can tell how well a company's yields are by how well their chips overclock. - To use Intel as an example, when the Coppermine PIIIs were in the 650 to 1 ghz range Intel's yields were lousy - there were very few 800 mhz +parts, and those there were barely made it - if you got an 800+ you might OC to 850 or 900, but not much beyond.... AMD had a similar situation with their first 130 nano parts, they barely overclocked also.

Botton line?

If the 2.4 ghz parts all OC to 3.2+, chances are yields are pretty darn good, if you buy a 2.4 ghz part and it barely makes it to 2.6, chances are yields suck...

Not perfect by any means, but right more than it's wrong...
Good observations. Except there are a lot of other factors that go into binning. The 2 biggest are probably downbinning based on market demand and downbinning due to power, even though the part runs faster, it can't be sold as a higher bin part becaue it uses too much power at the speed. Both of these can be reasons you can get a part that works at higher speeds than it is sold at while still using the stock voltage and heatsink.
July 17, 2006 5:39:28 AM

I dont think AMD have a clue. They obviously new about this.

Also AMD plan to release ddr3 in 2008. By then Intel would have released higher performing Core 2 processors or something else.

If AMD's next release is just enough to compete and not an actual improvement on Intel's Core 2, they will be screwwed.
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