Ok, what is AMD's next move ?

[cooperaaaron]

What will AMD do after seeing what Conroe is capable of ?

Since AMD has hired some people from Intel for the last past few years, does anyone think that AMD did not know what was coming ?

Today, Intel has the better chips. I would like to know about tommorrow.

 

[gOJDO]

What will AMD do after seeing what Conroe is capable of ?

They will put a finger in their @$$H0L3 and will panic.

 

[sweetpants]

What will AMD do after seeing what Conroe is capable of ?

Since AMD has hired some people from Intel for the last past few years, does anyone think that AMD did not know what was coming ?

Today, Intel has the better chips. I would like to know about tommorrow.

I believe I read on anandtech that AMD has no plans for 2006 on their roadmaps? But in 2007 I guess they are working on their 4x4, dual socket + dual core processors from what I understand, not really sure didn't read the roadmap myself

 

[Pain]

Today, Intel has the better chips. I would like to know about tommorrow.

My magic 8-ball says:

It's possible.

I don't k now exactly what that means in relation to your question, but it's actually about as good an answer one might be able to get. If that's not good enough I can get out my ouiga board.

 

[RichPLS]

What will AMD do after seeing what Conroe is capable of ?

Since AMD has hired some people from Intel for the last past few years, does anyone think that AMD did not know what was coming ?

Today, Intel has the better chips. I would like to know about tommorrow.

I believe I read on anandtech that AMD has no plans for 2006 on their roadmaps? But in 2007 I guess they are working on their 4x4, dual socket + dual core processors from what I understand, not really sure didn't read the roadmap myself

Hey, will that 4x4 be standard or Automatic? :roll:

 

[sweetpants]

automatic

42 inch wheels, 3ft lift, 440 cubic inch engine that runs off alcohol...

 

[clue69less]

Hey, will that 4x4 be standard or Automatic? :roll:

More importantly, will it have overdrive?

 

[sweetpants]

Hey, will that 4x4 be standard or Automatic? :roll:

More importantly, will it have overdrive?

Oh you betcha, it's also called Hard Drive... ba dum bum tshhh lol

 

[xcetera]

Watch AMD press its anti-trust lawsuit against Intel, with or without merit. Desperate times take desperate measures.

It worked for NTP against RIM. SCO only activity is bringing lawsuits claiming violations to their patents they purchased. Rambus has lived off its various lawsuits.

 

[Bringinheat]

Does anyone know any details about the 4x4 in regards to what processors will be compatible, when the supposed release date and at what price point they are looking to sell this at??
Amd has been kinda ambigious about their whole explaination of the thing and some people say that only FX based processors will be compatible to it.......anyone know anything about this?

 

[K8MAN]

Kay ate El'

 

[qurious69ss]

Lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit. Has anyone noticed that AMD's legal news has picked up in the last several weeks. I expect to see several new legal anouncements coming from AMD from now till the end of the year. I hope they have enough money left over to pay for the new fabs after they pay the lawyers.

 

[ZOldDude]

What will AMD do after seeing what Conroe is capable of ?

Since AMD has hired some people from Intel for the last past few years, does anyone think that AMD did not know what was coming ?

Today, Intel has the better chips. I would like to know about tommorrow.

I don't think that Conroe has anything to do with AMD's plans.

AMD has been working for almost two years on 4 core cpu's and they should be on the market early in 2007.
The 4 core units will use the same power as the todays dual core units and will have a new type of cashe ram called ZRAM that AMD bought the rights to a few months ago.

For the server market AMD will use the new desigen in a 16 core cpu.

Google is your friend.

 

[clue69less]

I don't think that Conroe has anything to do with AMD's plans.

Maybe not, but wouldn't it have been fun to be a fly on the wall in high-level AMD meetings when Conroe benchmarks were reported?

The 4 core units will use the same porwer as the todays dual core units and will have a new type of cashe ram called ZRAM that AMD bought the rights to a few months ago.

I look forward to seeing this tech become available.

Does "cashe" mean expensive memory?

 

[RichPLS]

Does anyone know any details about the 4x4 in regards to what processors will be compatible, when the supposed release date and at what price point they are looking to sell this at??
Amd has been kinda ambigious about their whole explaination of the thing and some people say that only FX based processors will be compatible to it.......anyone know anything about this?

I believe they are supposed to be launched sometime in the 3rd quarter of this year, and in limited supplies... Cost is probably going to be very expensive, I expect about $1,000 x 2 for the CPU's alone.
And AMD has only indicated it is for FX chips only, which I believe is hardware related, and the X2 are not capable.
But it seems Intel will also release a quad core CPU sometime this year too, probably first I suspect.

 

[ZOldDude]

I don't think that Conroe has anything to do with AMD's plans.

Maybe not, but wouldn't it have been fun to be a fly on the wall in high-level AMD meetings when Conroe benchmarks were reported?

The 4 core units will use the same porwer as the todays dual core units and will have a new type of cashe ram called ZRAM that AMD bought the rights to a few months ago.

I look forward to seeing this tech become available.

Does "cashe" mean expensive memory?

Does "cashe" mean expensive memory?

The memory on the cpu itself.
The new ZRAM was developed by a company here in California and AMD jumped on it for the rights as fast as they could.

It is alot faster than normal cpu memory and it takes almost no power at all compaired to what is used today as well as useing less core space and heat reduction.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1913489,00.asp

Z

 

[ZOldDude]

I don't think that Conroe has anything to do with AMD's plans.

Maybe not, but wouldn't it have been fun to be a fly on the wall in high-level AMD meetings when Conroe benchmarks were reported?

The 4 core units will use the same porwer as the todays dual core units and will have a new type of cashe ram called ZRAM that AMD bought the rights to a few months ago.

I look forward to seeing this tech become available.

Does "cashe" mean expensive memory?

Does "cashe" mean expensive memory?

The memory on the cpu itself.
The new ZRAM was developed by a company here in California and AMD jumped on it for the rights as fast as they could.

It is alot faster than normal cpu memory and it takes almost no power at all compaired to what is used today as well as useing less core space and heat reduction.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1913489,00.asp

Z

If you read you will find that this is part of how AMD will be able to make four cores use the same power as the dual core they make now...but it is just one of many patents they bought rights to that will let them build cpu's with as many as 32 cores for servers that they plan to have out in late 2008.

Whatever makes the best server chips will benifet the small office/destop users as all of your A64 chips today are really only server chips that did not cut the grade and have been marked according to what they still can do (ie: cashe,speed,voltage).

Another example is given the fact that the cores (the parts on them) are mesured in nano-meters ,a waffer has some DOA cores and many do not preform as intended in some form. Even the same prodution durring the same day does not ever give the same ratio of fully intended parts per waffer.

This is a reason that after two years of production both companys will start to offer "budget" cpu's...all stockpiled from the low end cores that did not cut the grade...or a EXTREEM/FX that did better than the rest.

Z

 

[badge]

So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?

 

[xsandman]

So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?

Correct, it is called binning. They test the parts, and the parts that dont run as fast are the cheaper parts. Everything at this level is statistically based.

 

[ZOldDude]

So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?

Well more like your 4800 was off the same waffer as a 4200 and an FX.
All the cores on that waffer were ment to be one product and just bin'ed after testing befor they print the mod number on it.
Intel runs into the same issues.

Both Intel and AMD have rights to patents that I wish I owned. :!:
It would be a sweet thing to see the best of both in one product.

Z

EDIT: That is why I spend the small extra amount to buy a 2Ghz Optron rather than a 2Ghz A64. All my Optron 146 builds (with real psu's...PC Cooling) run a 50% over clock on stock voltage and never get warm (Thermalright SI-120 coolers and Coolermaster cases with exit fan guard(s) removed). Idle 2C above room temps.

 

[badge]

So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?

Correct, it is called binning. They test the parts, and the parts that dont run as fast are the cheaper parts. Everything at this level is statistically based.

Cheaper parts! I'll have you know the lady who bought this for me worked non stop for two solid days.

 

[ZOldDude]

So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?

Well more like your 4800 was off the same waffer as a 4200 and an FX.
All the cores on that waffer were ment to be one product and just bin'ed after testing befor they print the mod number on it.
Intel runs into the same issues.

Both Intel and AMD have rights to patents that I wish I owned. :!:
It would be a sweet thing to see the best of both in one product.

Z

EDIT: That is why I spend the small extra amount to buy a 2Ghz Optron rather than a 2Ghz A64. All my Optron 146 builds (with real psu's...PC Cooling) run a 50% over clock on stock voltage and never get warm (Thermalright SI-120 coolers and Coolermaster cases with exit fan guard(s) removed). Idle 2C above room temps.

 

[xsandman]

So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?

Correct, it is called binning. They test the parts, and the parts that dont run as fast are the cheaper parts. Everything at this level is statistically based.

Cheaper parts! I'll have you know the lady who bought this for me worked non stop for two solid days.

Haha, well, since they dont clock as high, they sell them as a slower part for less money. Sometimes they will disable the cache too to catch rejects that due to the cache. Thats one reason they may offer a 2M and a 4M version. So if a part can not pass for either the speed or the cache, it will be sold as one of the slower 2M parts for less money.

This allows the companies to make a profit on any part that works correctly, no matter what speed it runs at. If they only sold parts at 1 performance level, they would either have to sell them at the slowest speed in order to have the maximum yield, or sell them at the highest speed and have very low yield. Make sense?

 

[npilier]

So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?

Correct, it is called binning. They test the parts, and the parts that dont run as fast are the cheaper parts. Everything at this level is statistically based.

lol!

 

[xsandman]

So your saying my 4800 X2 is the result of trial and error and in it's finality revels the best a second rate escort service has to offer? So who is the reveloutinary in all this, AMD or Intel? Is Z-RAM the beginning to something like Athlon64? Now that all seems so logical, the 64 thing? Where was Intel on that one?

Correct, it is called binning. They test the parts, and the parts that dont run as fast are the cheaper parts. Everything at this level is statistically based.

lol!

haha, i realized afterwards that i probably didn't put enough thought into this post.