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July 18, 2006 8:15:07 AM

Those people who buy pc's on a shoe string budget.It's a good opprtunity to get heavy gaming by increasing a bit of budget by buying up the ATI's X1800GTO another gto model after x800gto and this one is unbelievable

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...


IF thinking of lowering budget to get agood gaming then try this one this might help you but the previous choice is the best x1600xt 256MB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

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July 18, 2006 12:41:14 PM

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Those people who buy pc's on a shoe string budget.It's a good opprtunity to get heavy gaming by increasing a bit of budget by buying up the ATI's X1800GTO another gto model after x800gto and this one is unbelievable

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...


IF thinking of lowering budget to get agood gaming then try this one this might help you but the previous choice is the best x1600xt 256MB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Those are two horrible suggestions for budget cards. No one listen to him.
July 18, 2006 12:54:34 PM

I agree. The X1600 is a horrible, horrible card. I think that's probably the worst card ever released, for the price ATI is asking.

For notebooks, however, it's not too bad, considering the choices available in notebook configurations.
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July 18, 2006 1:36:34 PM

What about the 7900 GT that THG recommended? They go for around $250.

How does that stack up against a similar card from ATI in the midrange? What is that card?
July 18, 2006 2:16:00 PM

The 7600 GT is almost $100 less, which is why it's nVidia's midrange god. $100 saved while getting 3/4 of the performance is big at the midrange price point.
July 18, 2006 2:33:04 PM

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Those people who buy pc's on a shoe string budget.It's a good opprtunity to get heavy gaming by increasing a bit of budget by buying up....


Your pricing is terrible.

The GTO was under $200, that's when it was a killer deal, the X1600XT was under $115 (pro was below $100).

EDIT: A quick check shows the Sapphire X1600Xt for $110, and the HIS X1800GTO for $169 (for the 500mhz core) and $189 for the 520mhz core. Heck you can get an X1800XT for less than your GTO price.

Seriously the best advice for people is to shop around. :roll:

Those are both much better deals, and considering the price that 500mhz GTO would be worth the tiny premium over your posted X1600XT. also those GTOs would be better price competition for the GF7600GTs.
July 18, 2006 2:43:05 PM

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I agree. The X1600 is a horrible, horrible card. I think that's probably the worst card ever released


Then you don't know much about video cards. :roll:

It's a dissapointment to be sure, but far from the worst, by a long LONG way.
July 18, 2006 3:03:38 PM

What are you comparing worst too... a 5800 ultra? :lol: 

the x1300 is horrible, but the x1600 comes in at a close second.
July 18, 2006 3:06:49 PM

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What are you comparing worst too... a 5800 ultra? :lol: 

the x1300 is horrible, but the x1600 comes in at a close second.


What are you comparing it to?

If you both think either of those cards are the worst then you're both pretty ignorant of what's out there. :roll:

Also the X1300 beat the GF7300 until they revamp it as a crippled GF7600 and rereleased it as a GF7300GT.

Really, there's alot worse out there, and I don't thnk there's a second or third in the bunch, I doubt even top 10.
July 18, 2006 3:15:47 PM

pfft budget card is x800xl

my x800xl came with R420 and clocks at 570/570, nuff said
July 18, 2006 4:02:24 PM

For those prices, you should be buying this or this.

It all depends on your preferences. :wink:
July 18, 2006 7:19:18 PM

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For those prices, you should be buying this


LOL! That was the XT I was refering to. 8)

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or this.

It all depends on your preferences. :wink:


Yep, both are damn fine deals. And both smoke the GTO option for less money.
July 19, 2006 7:59:53 AM

ehey the x1800GTO comes with the R520 core and you could overclock it easily.On the other has the link which I gave for the x1600Pro has an excellent HIS cooling system which would please the overclockers
July 19, 2006 11:14:15 AM

Well i am planning to buy up the ati x1600pro which is very cheap.The ati version is'nt a good one but the Sapphire one is pretty good which supports DDR3
July 19, 2006 6:58:14 PM

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ehey the x1800GTO comes with the R520 core and you could overclock it easily.


And a weaker HSF and slower memory. Either way thos other options beat the one you linked to, a cheaper GTO might be a good idea for some and we never doubted that, but compared to the ones we posted, it's not as good a deal as you claim.

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On the other has the link which I gave for the x1600Pro has an excellent HIS cooling system which would please the overclockers


However it's almost as expensive as the GF7600GTs, which are better cards. It's a solid X1600XT (it's not a PRO and a PRO couldn't OC anywhere near enough to best an XT thanks to it's poor memory), so it's not that that isn't a good example of an XT, but it's neither the cheapest for busget gamers, nor is it the best use of the $ required to buy it when other options are better bang for the buck.

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Well i am planning to buy up the ati x1600pro which is very cheap.The ati version is'nt a good one but the Sapphire one is pretty good which supports DDR3


As mentioned you're probably confusing PRO with XT.
July 20, 2006 5:40:56 AM

Well by the way i am having a problem between the two cards(which to select)Either to buy up a ATI x1800gto or an Nvidia 7600GT and a fear lies in me that Directx 10 is going to be released in VISTA :( 
July 20, 2006 6:44:28 AM

Well that 'fear' would be well founded about the timing, but not sure why you fear DX10 itself?

DX10 will likely ship either with Vista or shortly thereafter since Vista has been delayed so long I wouldn't be surprised if you see DX10 in the spring of 2007 within a few weeks of Vista if not with Vista itself.

As for the choice between cards, IMO both will do the job fine, you will undoubtedly find something that the one you don't pick does better than the one you do, but really, that's going to happen regardless of which one you pick. And while you could wait for a midrange next gen card, it's not the wise thing to do IMO. I'd say decide on your choice between the two you listed based on the apps you like and they do well in, and how you will use them. Then when the next gen does come along, sell and rebuy then if you feel the need. Worrying about a hardware pruchase that far off into the uture is a waste IMO. Game now, worry later. :wink:
July 20, 2006 12:33:34 PM

Well thinking about this GAME NOW AND THINK LATER i am totally afraid.I bought the ddr 400 ram modules(512*2) before and now they are at the verge of extinction and now i am worriied for the DX10 Would my Gpu's support the DX10,at any cost they are'nt :cry: 
July 20, 2006 8:33:12 PM

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Well thinking about this GAME NOW AND THINK LATER i am totally afraid.I bought the ddr 400 ram modules(512*2) before and now they are at the verge of extinction and now i am worriied for the DX10 Would my Gpu's support the DX10,at any cost they are'nt :cry: 


Well DDR is far from extinction, but I do agree their utility is becoming more limited for FUTURE builds, but DDR2 is the stick of the here and now.

I bought a stick of Corsair 512MB PC3200/DDR400 about 4.5 years ago, and really, it's still pretty top notch TODAY. Tommorow no, but then again it was tops at the time.

Currently RAM lasts much longer than video cards, I'd say buying sticks of DDR2-667 would last you (maybe not be top shelf) until well past Conroe. Heck I bought 2 sticks of 1GB DDR2-667 for my 533 laptop, because I know that Merom will be using that as it's max until almost 2008, so my next upgrade will make full use of it too.

Never 'think later' always THINK now, but in so doing consider your options and what's the best use of your money. Do you hate upgrading and tinkering? Then get an X1900XTX and be done with it. Do you like tinkering, then get and X1900XT/GF7900GT consider overclocking for now, maybe Crossfire/SLi later, maybe sell it and rebuy (unless you are more averse to buy/sell more than tinkering), and for a little less same scenario with the X1800GTO/GF7600GT.

There is no easy answer, but you've gotta way your comfort zone with the information people have provided you.
July 20, 2006 9:11:05 PM

i would move on past all the x1600 cards.

the x1600Pro with 512 mb DDR3 is bested by a way older 6600GT with 128mb or ram.

over 1300 point difference in 3dmark03, the 6600GT wins.
July 20, 2006 11:59:59 PM

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i would move on past all the x1600 cards.

the x1600Pro with 512 mb DDR3 is bested by a way older 6600GT with 128mb or ram.


That depends alot on the apps. In older titles sure, but in newer titles the X1600Pro outclasses the GF6600GT, especially shader heavy titles like Oblivion. It's like the GF4ti versus R9500P. In some DX7 titles the GF4ti would beat the R9700P and FX5800U, however start making things harder in DX8 titles and the R9500P would pull away, its a similar situation with the X1600, although not as dramatic, since the R9500P was such a darling of the early DX9 cards (the GF7600GT would be closer to that moniker now).

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over 1300 point difference in 3dmark03, the 6600GT wins.


Yahoo, 3Dmark03. :roll:
2 generations old bungholiomarks, and really not indicative of the top of current games and next gen games.

I'd agree that the X1600 is pointless now, but not because of the weak GF6600GT (which has no utility now [and when found usually costs more than the X1600P]) but because the GF7600 series has come along to make it's mark. The X1600XT can be useful (and it blows away the GF6600GT, just like the GF7600GT blows it away) based on it's relatively low entry cost for PCIe users. However for anyone considering hardcore gaming their should now look to the GF7600GT and X1800GTO as being their entry points.
July 21, 2006 12:21:18 AM

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However for anyone considering hardcore gaming their should now look to the GF7600GT and X1800GTO as being their entry points.


:cry:  :cry:  :cry: 
I'm still like 2 months away from the 7600GT...
And, here where I live, the 7600GT costs about U$S 250... Yeah, it sucks, but that's the price...
:cry:  :cry:  :cry: 
July 21, 2006 12:43:52 AM

I hear ya' , even here in Canada it's ridiculous how much cheaper the cards are in the US. I thought our stronger dollar would help, but it seems retailers know that it's a somewhat select sellers market here until people like NewEgg start shipping north of the border.

Think about it a city of 4-5million in Tronto, and you can get hardware much MUCH cheaper 100KM away in a 'town' of a few thousand across the border. :roll:

Oh, well such is life I guess. I guess we can't complain too much, cheap oil and beef for us Gauchos :mrgreen: (heck, I even wore during the Stampeded last week, the hat my sister picked up last fall when she was in Buenos Aires).
July 21, 2006 11:15:12 AM

Well thinking about the ati x1800gto is best coz it support the R520 core and a 256 bit memory interface compared to that of 128 bit of nvidia's 7600GT.recently nvidia is giving up the game TOMB RAIDER LEGEND with their GEFORCE 7 series but i have that game.
July 21, 2006 12:11:27 PM

No! I want to complain! I want a $150 7600GT! :lol:  :lol: 

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Well thinking about he ati x1800gto is best coz it support the R520 core and a 256 bit memory interface compared to that of 128 bit of nvidia's 7600GT.


I won't say anything about this, because it has already been discussed so much. We all know how this ends. :wink:
July 21, 2006 12:13:24 PM

What do you rather have, 256-bit interface, or a faster card. The G7600GT has really high clocked memory, so pumps allot of commands true that 128-bit :lol:  .
July 24, 2006 1:44:38 PM

Well the topic has been discussed,but while seeing the bright future of VISTA,DX10(which has the support for the latest PIXEL SHADERS v4.0),buying a GPU at this juncture might be useless,is'nt it
July 24, 2006 3:38:16 PM

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Well thinking about the ati x1800gto is best coz it support the R520 core and a 256 bit memory interface compared to that of 128 bit of nvidia's 7600GT.


While it's briefly been touched on think of it like this. Sure more memory bandwidth does help, but that's mainly at high resolution and high AA. The GT having highly clocked 128bit memory fills the gap somewhat although not completely closing it.

However here's the crux of the argument beyon FX's chuckle inducing "what would you rather have..", neither of these cards is going to pull off Oblivion @ 1920x1440 w/ 4XAA, so the impact of the memory alone is lmitied and it's influence on the future is likely somewhat limited too. For older games, sure it'll help you push 4XAA easier, but the two cards' sweet spots of performance will be moving in the direction of lower resolutions and lower AA due to the lack of the core supporting newer games at higher resolution, etc.

So really, don't look at specs alone, look at how those cards play in the games you like. It's like putting 256bit memory on an X1300 isn't going to help it beat a GF7600GT, just like our old argument about memory size alone too.

Overall they are very capable, and usually somewhat similar cards, and while I'd give the GTO the AA crown now, that crown will tarnish and diminish over time IMO.
July 24, 2006 4:05:08 PM

It's a nice card and very overclockable and not to mention 4 more pipelines can be unlock but only on certain X1800GTO series like the ones sold by HIS.
July 24, 2006 4:31:06 PM

Think your high prices in Canada might have something to do with that national sales tax?
July 24, 2006 5:04:48 PM

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Think your high prices in Canada might have something to do with that national sales tax?


actually only 1/2 of the tax is a national tax. the way taxes work mostly in canada is we have a GST tax (%6) and each provicne assigns it own tax PST unless you live in the east coast in which it uses a Harmonized tax called HST which is around %15.

But here's the catch if you buy something from out of province depending on the company they won't charge you the provincial tax since you don't live in the province.

you shuold also keep in mind that the price we get is not before tax there are lots of hidden tarrifs and whatnot that get added to the price :( . so for example 450 dollar video card in the US could be as high as 580-620 bucks for us canucks then add up to 14-15% sales tax on top of that :( .

basically we pay WAY to much tax, which is not cool. but theres nothing i can really do short of staging a coup :D  j/k.
July 24, 2006 8:47:03 PM

A coup always sounds like a good solution to me... once you're done in Canada, help us stage one in the states. Taxes and regulation ruin everything.
July 24, 2006 8:49:09 PM

I don't care, just leave NC alone. I like my low cost of living.
July 25, 2006 8:16:36 AM

I now not think of buying a 7600GT or ATI X1800GTO,now i think of buying up a GeForce 5200FX, :D  :wink: ,would'nt cost me bucks
July 25, 2006 9:19:40 AM

I think you should forget everything, including breathing.
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