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July 19, 2006 3:10:36 AM

I have a Compaq SR1151NX with a PTGD1-LA motherboard.

I bought a new Pentium D 805 dual-core processor to upgrade my old processor that came with the computer. Also, to try to overclock it eventually...I am sure that will be a different post :D 

I have updated my BIOS (AMI v3.28) to accept the newer dual-core processors, and everthing was working fine with the new BIOS and old processor.

I took the motherboard out of the case and fitted my new cpu and HSF. Put the MB back into the case and then it wouldn't even POST. No beeping...just the case fans and HSF powered on. The monitor read "NO SIGNAL". To test that it was a cpu problem I replaced my new cpu and put back in my old stock cpu w/HSF and turned on the computer. The HSF came on full force and the comp will eventually shut itself down, I assume because of the high temp of the cpu. It will boot to Windows (XP Home SP2) with the old cpu...but not for very long. My temps read 102degC 215degF.

Two part problem - Why didn't my new processor work and what is wrong with my old processor? Is this a MB issue?

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July 19, 2006 3:38:01 AM

I'll assume you mean your CPU reads 102C/215F. If this is the case you probably haven't installed your heat sink properly and your CPU is fried. Also did you properly switch thermal paste by removing all of the old paste/pad off the heat sink and CPU then reapplying a fresh coat? When applying new paste use a very small amount as too much can hinder heat transfer. That 805 chip should not be any hotter than 70C under full load.
July 19, 2006 3:59:31 AM

Use thermal paste like Artic Sivler 5 and secure the HSF cooler properly making sure it has flat even contact. 102c degrees is bad thing for the cpu and that cpu might be fried or damage.
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July 19, 2006 4:15:22 AM

By saying it is damaged...are you saying that my temps will not improve even if the HSF is seated properly.

Any ideas why the new cpu wont work at all?
July 19, 2006 4:18:54 AM

As far as i remeber intel cpus throttle down when they heat up to make sure the chip isn't damaged... so hopefully nothing happened to your old chip.

the heatsink usually comes with a pre applied thermal paste, (i'm guessing you put on the NEW heatsink?)
so my bet would be on a DOA cpu.

Although HP, as great as they are :roll: don't mention anything about what kind of newer cpus this bios now supports. So it could be that too.

Why don't you give them a call first, and ask if your processor is supported by the new bios.

In the meantime get yourself some thermal paste ASAP!
July 19, 2006 4:50:02 AM

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By saying it is damaged...are you saying that my temps will not improve even if the HSF is seated properly.

Any ideas why the new cpu wont work at all?


By damaged, I mean non-operational or unstable. I suggest RMAing it if you can because there is a good chance that it was damaged if it reached the temps you say it did. If this is the first time you've installed/replaced a heat sink, I suggest searching the forums for good installation practices. Google also offers some good sites that shows some good methods. As others have recommended Arctic Silver 5 is the best thermal paste out. Also you temps may improve if the heatsink is installed properly, but if your CPU is damaged/destroyed then it will serve no purpose. That's why you should try to RMA that CPU if you can. Just do your homework and be sure to do it properly next time as you may only have one chance to get it right.
July 19, 2006 4:51:44 AM

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I have a Compaq SR1151NX with a PTGD1-LA motherboard.

I bought a new Pentium D 805 dual-core processor to upgrade my old processor that came with the computer. Also, to try to overclock it eventually...I am sure that will be a different post :D 

I have updated my BIOS (AMI v3.28) to accept the newer dual-core processors, and everthing was working fine with the new BIOS and old processor.

I took the motherboard out of the case and fitted my new cpu and HSF. Put the MB back into the case and then it wouldn't even POST. No beeping...just the case fans and HSF powered on. The monitor read "NO SIGNAL". To test that it was a cpu problem I replaced my new cpu and put back in my old stock cpu w/HSF and turned on the computer. The HSF came on full force and the comp will eventually shut itself down, I assume because of the high temp of the cpu. It will boot to Windows (XP Home SP2) with the old cpu...but not for very long. My temps read 102degC 215degF.

Two part problem - Why didn't my new processor work and what is wrong with my old processor? Is this a MB issue?


I could be wrong, but as far as I was aware, the 915 chipset doesn't support the D805's.

Northbridge Intel i915P graphics controller hub (GMCH) this is from the link about your PC.

None of the ASUS seem to. Asrock, normally know for the very wide range of cpu support, none of it's 915 chipset board support the D805 either.
July 19, 2006 5:01:30 AM

If nothing else you could boil A LOT of water.
Maybe.

Sorry I was practicing my stand up routine.
July 19, 2006 5:12:53 AM

Yea, I suppose he could. Literally! I was thinking the same thing when I saw this post. :lol: 
July 19, 2006 5:16:24 AM

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I have updated my BIOS (AMI v3.28) to accept the newer dual-core processors, and everthing was working fine with the new BIOS and old processor.



Where in the bios update description does it say Dual Core support. All it says is newer cpu's
July 19, 2006 5:53:45 AM

RMA it for replacement damage or not just to be on the safe side. Like I said it might be damage by heat and not running at all.
July 19, 2006 5:56:27 AM

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RMA it for replacement damage or not just to be on the safe side. Like I said it might be damage by heat and not running at all.


It's not damaged, it just doesn't run in a 915 motherboard
July 19, 2006 6:49:18 AM

Okay so then either get another mobo or return the cpu while still can. :) 
July 19, 2006 6:56:52 AM

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I have a Compaq SR1151NX with a PTGD1-LA motherboard.

I bought a new Pentium D 805 dual-core processor to upgrade my old processor that came with the computer. Also, to try to overclock it eventually...I am sure that will be a different post :D 

I have updated my BIOS (AMI v3.28) to accept the newer dual-core processors, and everthing was working fine with the new BIOS and old processor.

I took the motherboard out of the case and fitted my new cpu and HSF. Put the MB back into the case and then it wouldn't even POST. No beeping...just the case fans and HSF powered on. The monitor read "NO SIGNAL". To test that it was a cpu problem I replaced my new cpu and put back in my old stock cpu w/HSF and turned on the computer. The HSF came on full force and the comp will eventually shut itself down, I assume because of the high temp of the cpu. It will boot to Windows (XP Home SP2) with the old cpu...but not for very long. My temps read 102degC 215degF.

Two part problem - Why didn't my new processor work and what is wrong with my old processor? Is this a MB issue?


What software are you using to monitor CPU temp?
July 19, 2006 7:39:57 AM

Ok mate have the same board.

NEWS FLASH!! IT DOESNT TAKE DUAL CORE 800/900 CPUS

IT DOES NOT ACCEPT PENTIUM 6xx CPUS

ALL IT ACCEPTS IS THE 5xx SERIES

I also suggest if you dont know how to change thermal paste and install a heat sink you dont try it because it aint gonna be good for you

Oh yeah and another thing. Do you think Compaq are going to allow you to have an overclocking option in the bios?? If you do your wrong. Their ASUS board is very limited. You cant even change the time its so limited. My recommendation is to get a new board. If you do this though your presario recovery wont work as it isnt a compaq board and erm you may have problems with your fans due to their custom connectors
July 19, 2006 7:41:41 AM

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I have a Compaq SR1151NX with a PTGD1-LA motherboard.

I bought a new Pentium D 805 dual-core processor to upgrade my old processor that came with the computer. Also, to try to overclock it eventually...I am sure that will be a different post :D 

I have updated my BIOS (AMI v3.28) to accept the newer dual-core processors, and everthing was working fine with the new BIOS and old processor.

I took the motherboard out of the case and fitted my new cpu and HSF. Put the MB back into the case and then it wouldn't even POST. No beeping...just the case fans and HSF powered on. The monitor read "NO SIGNAL". To test that it was a cpu problem I replaced my new cpu and put back in my old stock cpu w/HSF and turned on the computer. The HSF came on full force and the comp will eventually shut itself down, I assume because of the high temp of the cpu. It will boot to Windows (XP Home SP2) with the old cpu...but not for very long. My temps read 102degC 215degF.

Two part problem - Why didn't my new processor work and what is wrong with my old processor? Is this a MB issue?


What software are you using to monitor CPU temp?

You could put a bigger quote you know!! How about finding all his old posts and pasting them in to. You could ask if he has any friends on THG and quote them too!

What is wrong with you did your mama not teach you how to quote! Get a hold of yourself man!
July 19, 2006 8:51:19 AM

Well your first problem is that the 915 doesn't support dual-core. Probably ASRock figured a way around it and someone will post a shitty-chipset board with Conroe support or something, but that's beside the point. Your mobo doesn't support the CPU in the first place, which is your main problem. Get a 945P or G mobo.
July 19, 2006 9:29:58 AM

I recommend a ECS Elite Group R4110L/800-M2

This fits in that case as i have seen it in one lol

It allows up to 1066fsb

Allows up to 800mhz memory bus

Has sata II

And many other features

Costs less than 80$
July 19, 2006 9:34:31 AM

I think youre lucky its turned on with that chip in!
July 19, 2006 9:35:16 AM

Motherboard specifications table
Part / Feature Specification / Support
Motherboard description Motherboard: ASUS PTGD1-LA

HP/Compaq name: Puffer-UL8E
CPU/Processor Socket LGA775

Supports Intel Pentium 4 processor up to 3.6 GHz

Supports Intel Pentium 4 HT processors
Front-side bus (FSB) 800 MHz
Chipset Northbridge Intel i915P graphics controller hub (GMCH

Southbridge Intel ICH6
BIOS features 4Mb FWH EEPROM

HP BIOS with enhanced ACPI, PnP, DMI, Green features
Form factor Micro-ATX form factor

9.6 x 9.6 inches (24.5 x 24.5 cm)
Memory Four 184-pin DDR DIMM sockets

Supports PC3200 (400 MHz) /PC2700 (333 MHz) / PC2100 (266 MHz) DDR DIMM type

Maximum HP/Compaq approved memory module is 1 GB

Maximum HP/Compaq approved memory is 4 GB
Expansion slots One PCI Express x16 graphics PEG slot

Three PCI slots

One PCI expansion slot (select models only)

No AGP slot
Video graphics Integrated
Serial ATA Two serial ATA (SATA) connectors, each supporting two ports

Hot swap function
Onboard audio Realtek ALC880 8-channel High Definition Audio CODEC
Onboard LAN Realtek RTL8101L LAN PHY (Physical Layer Protocol)

10/100 Mbps Fast Ethernet controller
Back panel I/O One parallel port (ECP, EPP)

One video (VGA) port

One PS/2 keyboard

One PS/2 mouse port

One RJ-45 Fast Ethernet LAN port

One IEEE 1394 port

Two USB connectors supporting up to four USB 2.0 ports with hot-plug function

Six audio ports support up to 8 audio channels:
Side speaker out
Rear speaker out
Center/subwoofer
Line in
Line out
Microphone

Front panel I/0 Two USB connectors supporting four additional USB 2.0 ports on the front panel

Front panel microphone input connector

Front panel headphone output connector

Front panel IEEE 1394 connector supporting one 1394 port
Other onboard connectors Front panel power and LED connectors

ATX +12 volt power connector

CPU fan connector

System fan connector

Jumper to clear CMOS

Optical drive audio connector

Auxiliary audio connectors
July 19, 2006 9:36:01 AM

That is your current board and as you can see it only takes a P4 HT 560 Max
July 19, 2006 2:18:57 PM

I wrongly assumed that my MB could handle the dual-core and I had forgotten about the overclocking abilities of store bought comps...

Thanks for helping out...looks like I'm getting a new MB.


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I recommend a ECS Elite Group R4110L/800-M2

BTW, I can't find this MB

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What software are you using to monitor CPU temp?

BIOS
July 19, 2006 4:17:41 PM

sorry typo it is a r410l/800-m2
July 19, 2006 4:18:45 PM

bios can sometimes be wrong try using everest home edition if you can get into windows
July 19, 2006 6:02:55 PM

Thats the one! Fits like a glove.
July 19, 2006 6:25:57 PM

Awesome...you guys are great. Thanks a lot to all of you..

I am sure I will see you all again :lol: 
July 19, 2006 6:38:31 PM

NO DONT!!!

Come on guys ECS....umm...the guys gone through enough trouble, he doesn't need a meh motherboard too :p !

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131590

^ Well worth a few bucks more!

EDIT: Note, that particular ECS Motherboard seems to have decent ratings, but I wouldn't hedge my bets on an ECS motherboard over an ASUS!
July 19, 2006 7:50:56 PM

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bios can sometimes be wrong try using everest home edition if you can get into windows

What makes Everest any better?
July 19, 2006 9:01:28 PM

nothing it just uses different sensors such as the sm800 or the asus chipset bus.
July 19, 2006 9:12:13 PM

Quote:
Awesome...you guys are great. Thanks a lot to all of you..

I am sure I will see you all again :lol: 



Not so great mate.....You will need new RAM also. You have DDR according to the link you gave and both these boards need DDR2.
July 19, 2006 9:13:46 PM

My last ECS board was really great, after just 1 year the system was totally unstable. Checked the motherboard and guess what. Yep every single capacitor on the board was burst. Because it was just over a year old they wouldnt replace it, even though the caps were cheap ones with bad fluids.

Never had an Asus or Abit board do that on me, so I wont use ECS again, even if their 'newer' boards are better. If you ask me the board was supplied with faulty componants, so even though the actual failure happend just after the warrenty expired, they should have sorted it anyway.
July 19, 2006 10:18:40 PM

Rocket,

I will probably get slammed for suggesting this, but so you can use the new D805 and still reuse all the rest of your current gear, this ASROCK will suit the best.

I am not suggesting that this is a great board, nor am I recommending it for overclocking your processor, just a board that will work with what you have.

As for overclocking, your current power supply in the Compaq is not up to the job either. A 300watt Max PSU is just too small.

The other thing you need to consider is that with most "Brand" PC's you probably didn't get an actual XP CD...so I think you will have trouble reinstalling.
July 20, 2006 1:40:35 PM

It was a heatsink/thermal paste problem...running at 52deg now. Too late on the MB, it is already on its way. I will consider the ASRock board as it seems that will be the only thing that I really need to change and can still do the dual-core (not giving up on that)...
July 20, 2006 4:57:20 PM

Did you see this post?

Quote:

Awesome...you guys are great. Thanks a lot to all of you..

I am sure I will see you all again Laughing

Not so great mate.....You will need new RAM also. You have DDR according to the link you gave and both these boards need DDR2.
Your RAM will not work with that ECS board.

I wouldn't even bother with the 805D (curses THG for that article, now and forever!!!! :evil:  ) right now. Return it and the new ECS board you just bought. Save your money. Your current system will hold you over. AMD is going to drop their prices drastically once Conroe is out and well...Conroe is just around the corner. :wink:

The pricing on either AMD/Intel will be very attractive.
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