the new prices for AMD

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  1. Yes it has, but who no's theres a lot of forumz :?
  2. I think everyone on this board pretty much has these memorized by now.
  3. Does NA (not applicable) mean no more production of AMD's on July 24, 2006? Or does it just mean no price cut scheduled for those chips?

    Listing of NA CPU's July 24, 2006
    FX-60 ~ no AM2 or 939
    X2-4800 ~ no AM2 or 939
    X2-4800 65W EE ~ no AM2 or 939

    X2-4400 ~ no AM2 or 939
    X2-4400 65W EE ~ no AM2 or 939
    X2-4000 ~ no AM2 or 939
    X2-4000 65W EE ~ no AM2 or 939

    Athlon64 3700 ~ no AM2 or 939
    Athlon64 3200 ~ no 939
    Athlon64 3000 ~ no AM2 or 939
  4. Quote:
    Does NA (not applicable) mean no more production of AMD's on July 24, 2006? Or does it just mean no price cut scheduled for those chips?

    Listing of NA CPU's July 24, 2006
    FX-60 ~ no AM2 or 939
    X2-4800 ~ no AM2 or 939
    X2-4800 65W EE ~ no AM2 or 939

    X2-4400 ~ no AM2 or 939
    X2-4400 65W EE ~ no AM2 or 939
    X2-4000 ~ no AM2 or 939
    X2-4000 65W EE ~ no AM2 or 939

    Athlon64 3700 ~ no AM2 or 939
    Athlon64 3200 ~ no 939
    Athlon64 3000 ~ no AM2 or 939
    I would say those are the 1MB cache parts, so N/A would mean discontinued.
  5. It could also stand for not available, meaning that they haven't made a decision yet.
    I don't know where all this information comes from or how reliable it is (no offense to anyone intended), but I would think that actual pricing would be the most jealously guarded information any company has outside of technological/trade secrets. We could all be surprised either way when the numbers actually hit.

    I have a question that you may be able to help me with...How soon after AMD releases their price cuts can we expect to take advantage of them?
    And while I'm at it, how do they handle the fact that distributors have stock bought at the old prices?

    I'm a non-gamer newbie to the hardware thing, so pardon my ignorance, and thanks for any feedback.
  6. Quote:
    I have a question that you may be able to help me with...How soon after AMD releases their price cuts can we expect to take advantage of them?
    And while I'm at it, how do they handle the fact that distributors have stock bought at the old prices?

    I'm a non-gamer newbie to the hardware thing, so pardon my ignorance, and thanks for any feedback.


    That's not ignorance at all, I'm a gamer and an old hand with hardware and I came to ask that very question.
  7. Thanks!
    On another thread accessible from the hardware page, someone has said that AMD has stopped producing those n/a processors which is why they can't offer a price cut. I have trouble understanding why they would stop making the superior product (full meg L2 cache memory), but there's a lot about this that mystifies me.
    Happily, I'm running such an old machine that I can buy the single core offerings and improve myself by a factor of about 8-10. I just can't decide whether to go with the AM2 platform or the 939. Economics after the actual price drops occur may help me decide.
  8. AMD stopped making them because they were lower margin chips. You've got a chip that is bigger (less chips per wafer) and more complex, so yields will be lower as well. That drives up your cost per chip and reduces the margin. Making 1MB chips opteron only where the margins are higher to start with keeps your profits from dropping off.

    That and apparently there weren't notable performance gains for identical chips with more cache. I believe more cache for AMD chips really only counts in the database space, which are opterons anyway.

    After the price drops the chips are going to be VERY affordable, and the motherboards already are. And since AM3 chips are reported to be pin-compatible with the AM2 socket (and rumors that DDR3 will be also) AM2 makes a very good upgrade case.
  9. Since I'll be a new build to replace an antique, I'm just looking to build a machine that offers as much performance as I can reasonably afford as well as the best foreseeable upgrade capacity. Sounds like the AM2 fits the bill for us "dolphins."

    (Dolphins like to ride the bow wave of ships much the way surfers ride surf. I like to think of myself as trying to find that sweet spot created by the larger markets-gamers, the military, business- that isn't the bleeding edge of technology, but where a guy can build a great machine for 1/3 to 1/2 of what he'd have to pay for Dell to put it together for him, taking advantage of the 'cresting' technology. And I apologize for the mixed metaphors in advance.)
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    Since I'll be a new build to replace an antique, I'm just looking to build a machine that offers as much performance as I can reasonably afford as well as the best foreseeable upgrade capacity. Sounds like the AM2 fits the bill for us "dolphins."

    (Dolphins like to ride the bow wave of ships much the way surfers ride surf. I like to think of myself as trying to find that sweet spot created by the larger markets-gamers, the military, business- that isn't the bleeding edge of technology, but where a guy can build a great machine for 1/3 to 1/2 of what he'd have to pay for Dell to put it together for him, taking advantage of the 'cresting' technology. And I apologize for the mixed metaphors in advance.)


    I believe your mistaken about about building a machine that offers as much performance as I can reasonably afford as well as the best foreseeable upgrade capacity.

    With these boards to choose from...
    Intel P965/G965/Q965/Q963 Chipset

    Abit:
    AB9 Pro - P965 - ATX - Available in June
    AB9 - P965 - ATX - Available in June

    Albatron
    PXP965 - P965 - ATX - Available in June
    PXQ965 - Q965 - ATX - Available in June
    PXG965 - G965 - ATX - Available in June

    Asus:
    P5B - P965 - ATX - Available
    P5B Deluxe - P965 - ATX - Available
    P5B-V DH Deluxe - G965 - ATX - Not available
    P5B BM - G965 - micro-BTX - Not available
    P5B VM - G965 - micro-ATX - Not available
    P5BQ-V - Q965 - ATX - Not available

    Biostar
    TForce P965 - P965 - ATX - Available in June
    IG965 Micro - G965 - micro-ATX - Not available

    ECS
    P965-A - P965 - ATX - Available in June
    P965T-A - P965 - ATX - Available in June
    PX1 - P965 - ATX - Available in June

    EPoX
    EP-5P965 GLI - P965 - ATX - Available in June
    EP-5P965+ GLI - P965 - ATX - Available in June
    EP-5P965-J - P965 - ATX - Available in June

    Foxconn
    Q965????? - Q965 - micro ATX - Not available
    G9657MA-8EKRS2 - G965 - micro-ATX - Not available
    P9657AA-8EKRS2H - P965 - ATX - Available in June
    P9657AA-8KS2H - P965 - ATX - Available in June

    GigaByte
    GA-8I965G(-Pro-RH) - G965 - ??? - Not available
    GA-8IBGNBX-RH -G965 - pico BTX - Not available
    GA-965G-DS4 - G965 - ATX - Not available
    GA-965G-DS3 -G965 - ATX - Not available
    GA-965GM-S3 -G965 - micro-ATX - Not available
    GA-965GM-S2 -G965 - micro-ATX - Not available
    GA-965QM-S2 -Q965 - micro-ATX - Not available
    GA-965P-DS3 - P965 - ATX - Available in June
    GA-965P-DS4 -P965 - ATX - Available
    GA-965P-DQ6 - P965 - ATX - Available

    Intel
    DP965LT - P965 - ATX - Not available
    DG965OT - G965 - µATX - Not available
    DG965?? - G965 - ATX - Not available
    DG965RY - G965 - ??? - Not available
    DG965MQ - G965 - µBTX - Not available
    DG965SS - G965 - micro-ATX - Not available
    DG965PZ - G965 - ATX - Not available
    DQ965GF - Q965 - µATX - Not available
    DQ965CO - Q965 - µBTX - Not available
    DQ963FX - Q963 - ATX - Not available
    DQ963?? - Q963 - µATX - Not available

    MSI
    P965 Neo - P965 - ATX - Available in June
    P965 Platinum - P965 - ATX - Available
    G965MB-DH - G965 - BTX - Not available
    Q965M - Q965 - micro ATX - Not available
    Q965M-DO - Q965 - micro ATX - Not available

    Other Intel Chipsets

    Abit
    IL9 - 946PL - ATX - Not available

    AsRock
    775XFire-eSATA2+ - 945PL - ATX - Available, but it don't know it it's the right revision
    775i65G Revision 2.0 - 865G - micro-ATX - Available, but it don't know it it's the right revision
    775i65PE Revision ? - 865PE - ATX - Available, but it don't know it it's the right revision
    775i945GZ - 945GZ - ATX - Not available
    ConRoe865PE - 865PE - ATX - Not available
    ConRoeXFire-eSATA2 Revision 2.0 - 945P - ATX - Not available
    AsRock motherboards that do support Conroe have 'Conroe' printed on their PCB

    Asus
    P5LD2-VM SE - 945G - mATX - Not available
    P5BPL - 946PL - ATX - Not available
    P5B-MX - 946GZ - mATX - Not available

    Biostar
    946PL - 946PL - ATX - Not available

    DFI
    946PL/G - 946PL - ATX - Not available

    ECS
    946GZT-M - 946GZ - mATX - Not available
    946PLT-A - 946PL - ATX - Not available

    Foxconn
    946PL7MA-8KRS2H - 946PL - mATX - Not available

    EPoX
    EP-5GZ946-M - 946GZ - mATX - Not available
    EP-5GZ946-MJ - 946GZ - mATX - Not available
    EP-5P945 GLI - 945P - mATX - Not available

    Foxconn
    946GZMA-RS2 - 946GZ - mirco-ATX - Not available

    GigaByte
    GA-946PL-S3 - 946PL - ATX - Not available
    GA-946GZ-S3 - 946GZ - ATX - Not available
    GA-946ZM-S2 - 946GZ - micro-ATX - Not available
    GA-8I945PLGE-RH - 945PL - micro-ATX - Not available
    GA-8I945GZME-RE - 945GZ - micro-ATX - Not available

    ATi Chipsets

    AsRock
    775Twins-HDTV R2.0 - ATi Xpress 200 - micro-ATX - Available

    DFI
    Infinity CFX1150/G - ATi RD600+SB600 - ATX - Not available
    LP UT RD600-T2R/G - ATi RD600+SB650 - ATX - Not available

    ECS
    RS600T-M - RS600+SB600 - ATX - Not available

    EPoX
    EP-5RC410-MJ3 - Xpress 200 -mATX - Not available
    EP-5RC410-M3 - Xpress 200 - mATX - Not available

    nVidia Chipsets
    nForce 5 intel edition info

    Asus
    ASUS P5N32-SLi SE - nForce 590 SLi - ATX - Not available

    DFI
    LP UT NF590 SLI-T2R/G - nForce 590 SLi - ATX - Not available

    ECS
    ECS C19-A SLI V3 - nForce 570 SLi - ATX - Not available

    MSI
    P4N SLI V2.0 - nForce 4 SLI Intel Edition - ATX - Not available

    add a good motherboard price of $150 to a E6300 costing $200 and you have just $350 for a cool running powerhouse of a CPU which will run about the same as an X2-4400 stock, but if you overclock it just mildly, you can with ease surpass the perfromance of AMD's FX-62.
    That is what I call futureproofing... Buying something today for cheap that will beat the competions best CPU... not to mention that in just a few months Intel will bump up clock speeds further, meaning later in a year or so you could swap CPU's and possibly have better performance than AND's K8L when released...

    plus with Intel you do not have to use expensive DDR2 RAM to get good performance... so that makes Intel even more of a bargain... :wink: :wink:
  11. I just do see what would be in it for Intel if they upped their clockspeeds so quickly. For a EE, I EXPECT a new cpu at least every 6 months, so upping just it and maybe SERVER/Workstation stuff makes some sense, but that's it. As far as the confusion about the 1mb l2 parts goes, go check out some benchmarks. The 4600 actually can outperform the 4800 in certain situations, and OVERALL, the difference between the two is not much, especially when lots of little stuff (like databases use) is not flying around.
  12. I suppose if rich is going to play his typical Intel Parrot role, I can fill in the bits for AMD. A lot of his posts are conjecture anyway, so take it with a grain of salt.

    It really depends on when you want to build. If you're fine waiting a month or so before intel's new stuff really starts showing up on the market, then do that. I use newegg and pricewatch as metrics for when things are actually available, and core 2 resides in neither place. AM2, however, is there in both.

    If you want to build right NOW, or, within 5 days anyway, then you can get an X2 4600 and a motherboard for the same price or less that rich quoted for an intel setup that offers similar performance. (a good motherboard can be had for less than 100 and the processors are slated for 224). It does not REQUIRE high speed ram to perform well either, but that is an option you can take also, or upgrade in the future.

    So it is really a matter of personal preference at this point, as well as time frame. In either case, you're kind of on the bleeding edge since they are both essentially new setups, so you are likely to encounter similar problems (compatability, needed BIOS updates, etc.).
  13. I appreciate your logic and information on the Intels, but the huge amount of mobo info is a little harder to interpret. Available, I understand. Not available, I understand. But available in June...? Was that June 2006 or do I have to wait 11 months? I'm also unfamiliar with the Intel chipset designators. What does that refer to?

    I appreciate the input.......
  14. Quote:
    It could also stand for not available, meaning that they haven't made a decision yet.
    I don't know where all this information comes from or how reliable it is (no offense to anyone intended), but I would think that actual pricing would be the most jealously guarded information any company has outside of technological/trade secrets. We could all be surprised either way when the numbers actually hit.

    I have a question that you may be able to help me with...How soon after AMD releases their price cuts can we expect to take advantage of them?
    And while I'm at it, how do they handle the fact that distributors have stock bought at the old prices?

    I'm a non-gamer newbie to the hardware thing, so pardon my ignorance, and thanks for any feedback.
    AMD can't afford to "hide" these prices, as they need to throw them out there to slow their customers from deciding on Conroe.
  15. Good point!
    And with the $189 Conroe being nearly as good as an FX-62 before overclocking, and better after, I feel myself being swayed.....
    AMD will have to get very generous to win out at this point, especially since I'm not a gamer interested in mobos that cater to SLI, etc.
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