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July 19, 2006 12:33:23 PM

dont know if this has already been posted.


AMD Price list.

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July 19, 2006 12:36:01 PM

Yes it has, but who no's theres a lot of forumz :?
July 19, 2006 12:45:28 PM

I think everyone on this board pretty much has these memorized by now.
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July 19, 2006 4:28:52 PM

Does NA (not applicable) mean no more production of AMD's on July 24, 2006? Or does it just mean no price cut scheduled for those chips?

Listing of NA CPU's July 24, 2006
FX-60 ~ no AM2 or 939
X2-4800 ~ no AM2 or 939
X2-4800 65W EE ~ no AM2 or 939

X2-4400 ~ no AM2 or 939
X2-4400 65W EE ~ no AM2 or 939
X2-4000 ~ no AM2 or 939
X2-4000 65W EE ~ no AM2 or 939

Athlon64 3700 ~ no AM2 or 939
Athlon64 3200 ~ no 939
Athlon64 3000 ~ no AM2 or 939
July 19, 2006 4:32:46 PM

Quote:
Does NA (not applicable) mean no more production of AMD's on July 24, 2006? Or does it just mean no price cut scheduled for those chips?

Listing of NA CPU's July 24, 2006
FX-60 ~ no AM2 or 939
X2-4800 ~ no AM2 or 939
X2-4800 65W EE ~ no AM2 or 939

X2-4400 ~ no AM2 or 939
X2-4400 65W EE ~ no AM2 or 939
X2-4000 ~ no AM2 or 939
X2-4000 65W EE ~ no AM2 or 939

Athlon64 3700 ~ no AM2 or 939
Athlon64 3200 ~ no 939
Athlon64 3000 ~ no AM2 or 939
I would say those are the 1MB cache parts, so N/A would mean discontinued.
July 19, 2006 4:50:21 PM

It could also stand for not available, meaning that they haven't made a decision yet.
I don't know where all this information comes from or how reliable it is (no offense to anyone intended), but I would think that actual pricing would be the most jealously guarded information any company has outside of technological/trade secrets. We could all be surprised either way when the numbers actually hit.

I have a question that you may be able to help me with...How soon after AMD releases their price cuts can we expect to take advantage of them?
And while I'm at it, how do they handle the fact that distributors have stock bought at the old prices?

I'm a non-gamer newbie to the hardware thing, so pardon my ignorance, and thanks for any feedback.
July 19, 2006 5:26:36 PM

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I have a question that you may be able to help me with...How soon after AMD releases their price cuts can we expect to take advantage of them?
And while I'm at it, how do they handle the fact that distributors have stock bought at the old prices?

I'm a non-gamer newbie to the hardware thing, so pardon my ignorance, and thanks for any feedback.


That's not ignorance at all, I'm a gamer and an old hand with hardware and I came to ask that very question.
July 19, 2006 5:51:15 PM

Thanks!
On another thread accessible from the hardware page, someone has said that AMD has stopped producing those n/a processors which is why they can't offer a price cut. I have trouble understanding why they would stop making the superior product (full meg L2 cache memory), but there's a lot about this that mystifies me.
Happily, I'm running such an old machine that I can buy the single core offerings and improve myself by a factor of about 8-10. I just can't decide whether to go with the AM2 platform or the 939. Economics after the actual price drops occur may help me decide.
July 19, 2006 7:00:06 PM

AMD stopped making them because they were lower margin chips. You've got a chip that is bigger (less chips per wafer) and more complex, so yields will be lower as well. That drives up your cost per chip and reduces the margin. Making 1MB chips opteron only where the margins are higher to start with keeps your profits from dropping off.

That and apparently there weren't notable performance gains for identical chips with more cache. I believe more cache for AMD chips really only counts in the database space, which are opterons anyway.

After the price drops the chips are going to be VERY affordable, and the motherboards already are. And since AM3 chips are reported to be pin-compatible with the AM2 socket (and rumors that DDR3 will be also) AM2 makes a very good upgrade case.
July 19, 2006 8:22:52 PM

Since I'll be a new build to replace an antique, I'm just looking to build a machine that offers as much performance as I can reasonably afford as well as the best foreseeable upgrade capacity. Sounds like the AM2 fits the bill for us "dolphins."

(Dolphins like to ride the bow wave of ships much the way surfers ride surf. I like to think of myself as trying to find that sweet spot created by the larger markets-gamers, the military, business- that isn't the bleeding edge of technology, but where a guy can build a great machine for 1/3 to 1/2 of what he'd have to pay for Dell to put it together for him, taking advantage of the 'cresting' technology. And I apologize for the mixed metaphors in advance.)
July 19, 2006 9:14:24 PM

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Since I'll be a new build to replace an antique, I'm just looking to build a machine that offers as much performance as I can reasonably afford as well as the best foreseeable upgrade capacity. Sounds like the AM2 fits the bill for us "dolphins."

(Dolphins like to ride the bow wave of ships much the way surfers ride surf. I like to think of myself as trying to find that sweet spot created by the larger markets-gamers, the military, business- that isn't the bleeding edge of technology, but where a guy can build a great machine for 1/3 to 1/2 of what he'd have to pay for Dell to put it together for him, taking advantage of the 'cresting' technology. And I apologize for the mixed metaphors in advance.)


I believe your mistaken about about building a machine that offers as much performance as I can reasonably afford as well as the best foreseeable upgrade capacity.

With these boards to choose from...
Intel P965/G965/Q965/Q963 Chipset

Abit:
AB9 Pro - P965 - ATX - Available in June
AB9 - P965 - ATX - Available in June

Albatron
PXP965 - P965 - ATX - Available in June
PXQ965 - Q965 - ATX - Available in June
PXG965 - G965 - ATX - Available in June

Asus:
P5B - P965 - ATX - Available
P5B Deluxe - P965 - ATX - Available
P5B-V DH Deluxe - G965 - ATX - Not available
P5B BM - G965 - micro-BTX - Not available
P5B VM - G965 - micro-ATX - Not available
P5BQ-V - Q965 - ATX - Not available

Biostar
TForce P965 - P965 - ATX - Available in June
IG965 Micro - G965 - micro-ATX - Not available

ECS
P965-A - P965 - ATX - Available in June
P965T-A - P965 - ATX - Available in June
PX1 - P965 - ATX - Available in June

EPoX
EP-5P965 GLI - P965 - ATX - Available in June
EP-5P965+ GLI - P965 - ATX - Available in June
EP-5P965-J - P965 - ATX - Available in June

Foxconn
Q965????? - Q965 - micro ATX - Not available
G9657MA-8EKRS2 - G965 - micro-ATX - Not available
P9657AA-8EKRS2H - P965 - ATX - Available in June
P9657AA-8KS2H - P965 - ATX - Available in June

GigaByte
GA-8I965G(-Pro-RH) - G965 - ??? - Not available
GA-8IBGNBX-RH -G965 - pico BTX - Not available
GA-965G-DS4 - G965 - ATX - Not available
GA-965G-DS3 -G965 - ATX - Not available
GA-965GM-S3 -G965 - micro-ATX - Not available
GA-965GM-S2 -G965 - micro-ATX - Not available
GA-965QM-S2 -Q965 - micro-ATX - Not available
GA-965P-DS3 - P965 - ATX - Available in June
GA-965P-DS4 -P965 - ATX - Available
GA-965P-DQ6 - P965 - ATX - Available

Intel
DP965LT - P965 - ATX - Not available
DG965OT - G965 - µATX - Not available
DG965?? - G965 - ATX - Not available
DG965RY - G965 - ??? - Not available
DG965MQ - G965 - µBTX - Not available
DG965SS - G965 - micro-ATX - Not available
DG965PZ - G965 - ATX - Not available
DQ965GF - Q965 - µATX - Not available
DQ965CO - Q965 - µBTX - Not available
DQ963FX - Q963 - ATX - Not available
DQ963?? - Q963 - µATX - Not available

MSI
P965 Neo - P965 - ATX - Available in June
P965 Platinum - P965 - ATX - Available
G965MB-DH - G965 - BTX - Not available
Q965M - Q965 - micro ATX - Not available
Q965M-DO - Q965 - micro ATX - Not available

Other Intel Chipsets

Abit
IL9 - 946PL - ATX - Not available

AsRock
775XFire-eSATA2+ - 945PL - ATX - Available, but it don't know it it's the right revision
775i65G Revision 2.0 - 865G - micro-ATX - Available, but it don't know it it's the right revision
775i65PE Revision ? - 865PE - ATX - Available, but it don't know it it's the right revision
775i945GZ - 945GZ - ATX - Not available
ConRoe865PE - 865PE - ATX - Not available
ConRoeXFire-eSATA2 Revision 2.0 - 945P - ATX - Not available
AsRock motherboards that do support Conroe have 'Conroe' printed on their PCB

Asus
P5LD2-VM SE - 945G - mATX - Not available
P5BPL - 946PL - ATX - Not available
P5B-MX - 946GZ - mATX - Not available

Biostar
946PL - 946PL - ATX - Not available

DFI
946PL/G - 946PL - ATX - Not available

ECS
946GZT-M - 946GZ - mATX - Not available
946PLT-A - 946PL - ATX - Not available

Foxconn
946PL7MA-8KRS2H - 946PL - mATX - Not available

EPoX
EP-5GZ946-M - 946GZ - mATX - Not available
EP-5GZ946-MJ - 946GZ - mATX - Not available
EP-5P945 GLI - 945P - mATX - Not available

Foxconn
946GZMA-RS2 - 946GZ - mirco-ATX - Not available

GigaByte
GA-946PL-S3 - 946PL - ATX - Not available
GA-946GZ-S3 - 946GZ - ATX - Not available
GA-946ZM-S2 - 946GZ - micro-ATX - Not available
GA-8I945PLGE-RH - 945PL - micro-ATX - Not available
GA-8I945GZME-RE - 945GZ - micro-ATX - Not available

ATi Chipsets

AsRock
775Twins-HDTV R2.0 - ATi Xpress 200 - micro-ATX - Available

DFI
Infinity CFX1150/G - ATi RD600+SB600 - ATX - Not available
LP UT RD600-T2R/G - ATi RD600+SB650 - ATX - Not available

ECS
RS600T-M - RS600+SB600 - ATX - Not available

EPoX
EP-5RC410-MJ3 - Xpress 200 -mATX - Not available
EP-5RC410-M3 - Xpress 200 - mATX - Not available

nVidia Chipsets
nForce 5 intel edition info

Asus
ASUS P5N32-SLi SE - nForce 590 SLi - ATX - Not available

DFI
LP UT NF590 SLI-T2R/G - nForce 590 SLi - ATX - Not available

ECS
ECS C19-A SLI V3 - nForce 570 SLi - ATX - Not available

MSI
P4N SLI V2.0 - nForce 4 SLI Intel Edition - ATX - Not available

add a good motherboard price of $150 to a E6300 costing $200 and you have just $350 for a cool running powerhouse of a CPU which will run about the same as an X2-4400 stock, but if you overclock it just mildly, you can with ease surpass the perfromance of AMD's FX-62.
That is what I call futureproofing... Buying something today for cheap that will beat the competions best CPU... not to mention that in just a few months Intel will bump up clock speeds further, meaning later in a year or so you could swap CPU's and possibly have better performance than AND's K8L when released...

plus with Intel you do not have to use expensive DDR2 RAM to get good performance... so that makes Intel even more of a bargain... :wink: :wink:
July 19, 2006 9:56:19 PM

I just do see what would be in it for Intel if they upped their clockspeeds so quickly. For a EE, I EXPECT a new cpu at least every 6 months, so upping just it and maybe SERVER/Workstation stuff makes some sense, but that's it. As far as the confusion about the 1mb l2 parts goes, go check out some benchmarks. The 4600 actually can outperform the 4800 in certain situations, and OVERALL, the difference between the two is not much, especially when lots of little stuff (like databases use) is not flying around.
July 19, 2006 10:19:09 PM

I suppose if rich is going to play his typical Intel Parrot role, I can fill in the bits for AMD. A lot of his posts are conjecture anyway, so take it with a grain of salt.

It really depends on when you want to build. If you're fine waiting a month or so before intel's new stuff really starts showing up on the market, then do that. I use newegg and pricewatch as metrics for when things are actually available, and core 2 resides in neither place. AM2, however, is there in both.

If you want to build right NOW, or, within 5 days anyway, then you can get an X2 4600 and a motherboard for the same price or less that rich quoted for an intel setup that offers similar performance. (a good motherboard can be had for less than 100 and the processors are slated for 224). It does not REQUIRE high speed ram to perform well either, but that is an option you can take also, or upgrade in the future.

So it is really a matter of personal preference at this point, as well as time frame. In either case, you're kind of on the bleeding edge since they are both essentially new setups, so you are likely to encounter similar problems (compatability, needed BIOS updates, etc.).
July 19, 2006 10:28:01 PM

I appreciate your logic and information on the Intels, but the huge amount of mobo info is a little harder to interpret. Available, I understand. Not available, I understand. But available in June...? Was that June 2006 or do I have to wait 11 months? I'm also unfamiliar with the Intel chipset designators. What does that refer to?

I appreciate the input.......
July 20, 2006 6:35:00 AM

Quote:
It could also stand for not available, meaning that they haven't made a decision yet.
I don't know where all this information comes from or how reliable it is (no offense to anyone intended), but I would think that actual pricing would be the most jealously guarded information any company has outside of technological/trade secrets. We could all be surprised either way when the numbers actually hit.

I have a question that you may be able to help me with...How soon after AMD releases their price cuts can we expect to take advantage of them?
And while I'm at it, how do they handle the fact that distributors have stock bought at the old prices?

I'm a non-gamer newbie to the hardware thing, so pardon my ignorance, and thanks for any feedback.
AMD can't afford to "hide" these prices, as they need to throw them out there to slow their customers from deciding on Conroe.
July 21, 2006 12:01:02 AM

Good point!
And with the $189 Conroe being nearly as good as an FX-62 before overclocking, and better after, I feel myself being swayed.....
AMD will have to get very generous to win out at this point, especially since I'm not a gamer interested in mobos that cater to SLI, etc.
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