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7800GS AGP series ????

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July 20, 2006 5:23:38 PM

Ok guys, i got a problem thats been bugging me for what seems forever. Bu september, i'll have £180-£230 to spend on a grapics update. Before i start, here's my current system spec:

AMD 64 3400 (2.31Ghz OC) Socket 754
Nvidia Geforce FX 5900
1.75GB PC3200 DDR400 RAM
90GB Harddrive (2x HD)
400W PSU

I will say i've looked at every option available, but i still just cannot make my mind up. I'm pretty sure i want to stay AGP as PCI-e mobos are not so easy to find for 754, i think only Asus make them at the moment. If i stay AGP, where to go? I looked at the 6800 which is solid, and decided to go next step up. The x850 PE XT looked nice but lacking SM3.0 support, the only other option is the 7800GS. XFX, BFG, EVGA, all have the 7800GS at similar speed clocks and specs (16 pixel pipelines, 6 shader modes, 1.2Ggz mem ish & 420Mhz Core roughtly) although the Gainward did something special. They released the 7800GS Gainward Bliss and 7800GS+ Gainward Bliss. The big difference from the other 7800GS cards is the pixel pipelines. While the 7800GS Gainward has 20 pixel pipelines, at stock, which is same as the 7800 GT, the 7800GS+ uses 24 pixel pipelines and the g71 7900GTX chip. Why this is 7800GS+ and not 7900GS+ i don't know. The 7900GS+ at the moment is knocking £270 which is a little rich.

I saw a good deal for the XFX 7800GS Xtreme Edition at clock speeds of 1300/400. Pretty good, still the same old spec as the others. If i got the XFX 7800GS i hear it's highly overclockable, (upto 1500/460) but doesn't have much impact on FPS rate, 5-10 fps increase. I'd happily overclock but i'd rather spend my money on a card that won't need me to overclock. 16 Pixel Pipelines, SM3.0, 6 Shader modes. Not bad really for £195. With that said, i don't know what to do. I'm left with the following choices:

- XFX 7800GS Extreme Edition
- Gainward 7800GS
- Gainward 7800GS+
- PCI-E (Avoidable if possible!!!!)

I've pretty much out-ruled ATI almost all their AGP cards rule out SM3.0, which is the future of gaming and already has an impact on current games. The fastest ATI have to offer is the X850 XT PE, which is extremely pricey, around £270, and will quickly outdate as it's now old technology. Although i'm always up for suggestions on ATI. The X1600 is the only card SM3.0 series for AGP (I think....) but doesn't give much performance, not what i'm looking for.

I would be willing to get my self a 7800 from Gainward, which looks the likely pick, but i'm not very sure about it as they're quickly running out of stock and i don't know if the extra 4 pixel pipelines make much of a difference. The other series 7 PCI-E seem to beat the AGP 7800GS. The 7800 GT does get the win on your standard 7800GS AGP card, not sure if it does the same for a Gainward 7800GS+ though!

I would appreciate any suggestion you guys have, as i'm only 15 years old and not the experienced graphical hardware upgrader. It's something i've not done much of. Gone through a MX400, FX 5200, 9600 Pro, and now FX 5900. All very much out dated now i'm afraid.

As a hardcore online gamer, i like to have high FPS, but i like to play my single player games looking glorious as ever. I wouldn't let my fps drop below 30-40 as it becomes rather annoying and defeats the whole object of a mid-top end card.

Thanks a bundle for any posts.

Monkey5900

P.S. My fingers ache....

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a b U Graphics card
July 20, 2006 6:51:16 PM

The 24-pipe Gainward 7800GS is the king of AGP. Then the 20-pipe Gainward. Next down is the 7800GS and X850XTpe with the feature advantage and similar pricing making the 7800GS the better buy. Beyond that, you'd be crazy to think that SM3.0 on a slower card is better and more futureproof than a X850XTpe. I'll gladly trade my top of the line GF6 (BFG 6800U OC AGP) for a faster X850XT platinum edition.

My gut feeling is you may find a PCI-e mobo + 7900GT priced close to the Gainward Bliss and not much over a regular 7800GS. We can't buy the Gaiward over here (without ordering from outside North America), but I can get a PCI-e mobo and 7900GT or X1800Xt for barely more than a much slower reference 7800GS AGP.
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July 20, 2006 7:10:28 PM

Choose the 7600GS AGP, came out today!
July 20, 2006 8:23:41 PM

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Choose the 7600GS AGP, came out today!

Do not get a 7600GS. You would be a fool to buy a 7600GS over an X850XT PE.


If money isn't a problem, go for the Gainward 7800GS but I wouldn't focus so heavily on the SM 3.0 factor. I think "the future of gaming" is a little exagerrated.
a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2006 8:13:41 AM

The X1800XT is as good or maybe a tad better than a 7900GT so it would be about equal with the 24-pipe Gainward 7800GS.

Enjoy your new setup.
July 21, 2006 10:26:13 AM

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The X1800XT is as good or maybe a tad better than a 7900GT so it would be about equal with the 24-pipe Gainward 7800GS.

Enjoy your new setup.
Hey Pauldh, could you please give me some benchmark results on your system? You have the X1800XT. Could you please send me some results? If so, msn me:

omguhack@hotmail.co.uk
July 21, 2006 11:07:57 AM

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Choose the 7600GS AGP, came out today!


Where, how much, any details?
a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2006 12:59:50 PM

What benchmarks are you looking for?

Only thing I can offer you from this location is a 3dmark05 score. X1800XT is overclcoked , cpu was left stock.
3DMark05 - 9,766
July 21, 2006 1:36:20 PM

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What benchmarks are you looking for?

Only thing I can offer you from this location is a 3dmark05 score. X1800XT is overclcoked , cpu was left stock.
3DMark05 - 9,766
sweet! that's very fast!
a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2006 1:42:01 PM

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I've decided to upgrade to PCI-E, and i can meet my budget for £200


That wou;d've been my suggestion.

The GF7800GS is just to hard to find fully enabled and at a good price, and with the ridiculously low pricing on the X1800 series and GF7900 series (or even full GF7600GT, GS is crap like GB said) then buying a crippled GF7800GS doesn't make sense if you have the option to upgrade just your mobo and keep your CPU/RAM.

Good luck, good choice. 8)
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