AMD PWNS with a takeover of ATI.. Nvidia triumphs!

Welcome to your worst nightmare ATI fans. This has been years coming after all your gloating and insolence.
http://www.ati.com/

Think ATI is going to continue the high end in the long term? Probably not, as that R&D will now be spent competing with Intel.
Think again my red loving friends from Canada.
Then watch, learn.. and cry.

Now that an American firm owns ATI, profits will come back to the USA.
This was done to benefit AMDs goals, not ATIs. We will probably see R600 still, but resources are going to be shifted to concentrate the meat grinder on Intel. The ATI mobile tech, and control of Crossfire will benefit AMD greatly. Now just convince Nvidia to cut off Intels SLI boards.. and you have yourself a mighty horrid situation for Intel.
Conroe can be as fast as it wants, it wont matter if AMD/NV tweak out SLI/Xfire to be the only way to go.
I dont really care as I like Intel and AMD, but theres a ton of new options open now for AMD.

The GPU market was bound to slow down eventually, soon isnt a bad time with DX10 being a good slowing down point.
I support the new AMD in their efforts against Intel. Nvidia and AMD have much to profit here.
God Bless America, and this takeover.
Everything, has changed.

To my enemies here throughout the years and all ATI devotees, you have lost. To Nvidia fans around the globe, victory is ours.
Long prosper the New AMD, and Nvidia. Lets see how the Intel vs AMD war sizes up now..


http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/co [...] _Sheet.pdf

Your damn right I am! And you KNOW I had to return for this.

I'm not sure whats going to happen to the high end GPU market scene.. but I think things will evolve.
What if AMD can now create a "Cell" style (multipurpose) processor that actually works right?? Theres just so many possiblities opening up for AMD and NV that its really exciting.

I'm laughing maniacally actually occasionally when I think about it.
Good to see/hear from you Paul, for sure.

LOL, yup would have been shocked if you hadn't.



You caugth me editing in my razz up above.

So far no one is quite sure how the G80 and R600 will perform.

I am well aware of that. Just needed to take a shot at an old time forum member and NV supporter.

Actually, its not dumb of AMD (there is no more ATI, its a subsidiary of AMD now.. dont forget it) to spend R&D money on the rather petty, and low income high end GPU race.

They took over ATI for a strategic move, and to solidfy their platform.

Not to fight a two front war with Intel AND Nvidia. They'd lose. Sorry to say.
ATI already did lose, with this buyout. Finto, done! Just like that.

There will be no high end R700, and to speak of one is treason. AMD and NV are still partners, AMD needs NV for many reasons to face Intel. They cant take it on alone, they know that.

With AMD having some control over SLI now (being partners with NV), and assuming control over Crossfire.. they have themselves a VERY interesting position.. and tons of options.
Nvidia cant lose, Intel would pay dearly to keep SLI capability now. And AMD would love to deprive Intel of that selling point.

What can Intel do if this happens? Create their own high end GPU. They are capable.. but have fun doing that for the next few years.

Huge advantage for AMD. ATI is nothing now.
Their core addition to the corporation, according to AMD themselves consists of: Commercial Clients, Mobile Computing, Consumer Digital Media, High-Growth Markets.

Doesnt sound like the high end GPU market to me!
Trust me, AMD didnt buy ATI to fight TWO incredibly difficult wars that they'd end up losing BOTH.
Dont think Intel alone is more than enough to chew on? Well it is.

The high end market is not NEARLY as profitable as the market Intel holds. Not even close.
Think I'm wrong, well Intel could have created Intel Extreme Discrete eons ago, but didnt. For a reason.
Its not their core competency. Its not AMDs either.

Dell said many times AMD didnt have the production to satisfy their needs. Well, they arent going to start battling Nvidia hardcore and make the situation even worse.

AMD is going to create better, more attractive AMD product. Fulfill AMDs goals, not ATIs former goals.

So kiss ATI goodbye, as they were gone this morning at 8AM eastern standard time. I hear Canadians crying all over the continent about losing their precious ATI. Time to find a new hobby like ice fishing my friends. Canadas OUT of this one.

I'm sitting back laughing this grand victory off in my easy chair.
People need to realize there really is no more ATI at all. Your putting motives into a company that no longer exists. Its a shell of its former self and it does AMDs bidding now. AMD can barely compete against Intel, they sure as hell arent going to get further distracted selling crappy high end R700 GPUs.

They are going to turn the meat grinder directly on Intel and keep going full steam ahead as they have been. Just with their own platform now with decent integrated graphics, mobile solutions (a big one), ect.

Thats more than enough for the ATI subsidiary to work on and refine to the standards necessary for AMD to present to the corporate world that they are now world class like Intel. They arent going to sandbag AMD by fighting NV + Intel.
Just watch.

For now, I'm merely estatic that ATI is dead. Its been a great 6 years or so debating on the forums about ATI vs NV. I was right all along.

ATI fanboys are screaming in terror all across the world.

But now NV will continue to profit from and work with AMD.. with ATI is virtually gone.
I salute Nvidia in this major advancement.

Or a clue....either or...

HAHAHAHA!!!

Rampage you're such a tard.

You REALLY want to know what this will do? Who does AMD cater too? Enthusiasts. That's right.. gamers, tweaker and performance junkies. This will allow them to cater to that crowd with even greater penetration as well as entering the platform crowd (ala Intel Centrino style).

What does this mean? It mean that AMD will work hard on the Multi core solutions which will include a graphics core on the CPU. That's right. AMD will more then likely present us with a single chip that contains a highend CPU with a GPU on a single core.

This means a wider adoptions, smaller system sizes and a deeper penetration into the mobile sector (dominated by Centrino).

I'm no AMD fan.. but let me tell you this.. This will make ATi stronger.. not weaker. Just you wait and see.

BTW.. I can give you BFG's phone number so that you can RMA that 7900 card you own. They tend to die intermitently for no reason.

i hate ATi ad AMD but if ATi stops producing high end graphics cards then nvidia will loose their competitor. this means nvidia will start manufacturing lower grade cards and wont try to make them as fast as possible and will raise the price of their cards significantly more than they would if they had a competitor.
expect to get crapper and more expensive cards if ati brand cards are no longer made.
this could be devastating for the PC gamer community.

also take note that the news is talking about AMD and ATi as a 'combined company'.
ATi i think will still produce grapghics cards... they are their own company they're not going to invest all resources over to AMD and its petty little schemes to conquer intel and nvidia in the mobile computing market.
I believe you all have read this article wrongly and hwatever the author was trying to say has been strongly misinterpreted.
'As a combined company' AMD and ATi will do this and t his. Yes they will but AMD will still keep making x86 CPUs and ATi will still keep making VGA gpu's for the PC

How could you hate something like a computer parts maker??

....for heavens sakes man...get a life...

I hate Nvidia!

You must not really know anything about Canada. If AMD even has any thought about that the Canadian Government and Courts wouldn't allow the merger at all to happen. Maybe you should start reading up on how this stuff happens before even thinking about making a post about it. There is a lot of red tap to go through first. And AMD is no where near being in control of ATI right now. The Canadian is most likely going to put some major holds on AMD from even thinking about taking anything out of the Country. Since ATI is Canadian made. Canada wants to keep it that way. Believe me most American company's have tried and have failed trying to get over the boarded. It's a whole new ball park over here and most Americans seem to not understand that. We will know around the end of the year what is going to happen. All that has happened as of right now is AMD and ATI saying they want to join together. It hasn't happened yet and won't happen until Shareholders and the courts of Canada allow it to happen.

Sorry, cuz you replied to me, misunderstanding, oops.

big buisness= money=the oil company=computers
lol.

big buisness is out to take your money

mister

i own and work at a small buisness snapperhead

i am comparing <intel,amd,ati,nvidia> to someone like the oil buisness
they are all out for one thing the money.

now <ati,nvidia,intel,amd> offer products of diff price/performance

the oil buisness offers one product, fuel at high prices and braggs about
thier record breaking profits.

LOL!

Long time no see. 8)

Why am I not surprised by this thread / your post.

I agree that AMD buying them is better for AMD than vice versa, I think it's also bad for the consumer though, because I think an Intel/ATi combination would've worked better and promoted their technical advancements.

I do wonder what happens to the new company, but really AMD's far more global than Intel, so ATi will fit in there, and heck considering the places where AMD & Intel call home most, they act more Canadian than Canadians.

Anywhoo, I'll let you gloat and laugh (like I did with the return of nV with the launch of the GF7800 ), I'm not surprised you would either, but regardless of the ATi vs nV thing, I think this is bad for the end user. Hopefully this will spark Intel to enter the discrete market and bring another strong multi-media player into the market, because I agree, likely the focus will not be on ATI's products, but in making AMD's CPUs competitive again.

Actually, Yes, AMD will go after the high end graphics sector with the ATI aquirement. If they didn't plan on this then the merger would not have occured. The first reason is that there is a small amount of money to be made in high end graphics yes, but their inovation and development makes the mid to low range sector alot more profitable and helps with the development of intregrated graphics. If you remove the high end, alot more goes with it. Second, a company makes alot more money by having a diverser development strategy. AMD does not have to go after and beat Intel yet, the are going to try and gain ground by having an inhouse chipset that will expand themselves to be intel competable. If they are to grow they need profits in ever place possible, intel is loosing out big becasue they are not diverse enough in the industry. Lastly, AMD will want to compete with NVidia to actually help NVidia, if there is no competition then there will be alot less development, less innovation, and less people willing to upgrade and spend money on a product that is not changing.

Intel could have made an enterance into the graphics market, but by the time they realized it was proffitable, they were already way too far behind to get started. AMD decided to jump in with a company that is already in the mix. Give it a few years and see what happens. If your right, then you can say im wrong.

No ATI? Guess there is no Chevy or Buick then. So what's your favorite car The General Motors Camaro or is it the GM Z06? I used to like the GM Grand Nationals, you too right?

Actually, you raise a good point. Really, Chevy is simply a nameplate. So is Buick.

There is no "Chevy" or "Buick". Its a sticker, they made that clear when they gave all those brands the same motors,drivetrains ect

Its all GMs stuff. Period.
Just like this is now just the New AMD.

What consisted of ATI previously, works entirely for AMD now. Doing their bidding, working for THEIR motives and ambitions.
Not the company 'formerly known as ATI'

Overall I think this is a good move for ATI to make as a company. Back in the day, they were the largest gpu maker by far, concentrating on OEM and IGP.
To me, this represents a move back to those days, we shall see.

Intel is as will stop interacting with "ATI" (which no longer exists as its former self), I think they meant AMD... but theres no reason NV will stop working with either AMD or Intel.

Intel has more reasons than ever to buddy up with SLI-technology-holding Nvidia.
And AMD has a ton at stake if they could somehow convince Nvidia to stop providing SLI chipsets for Intel.

Nvidia and AMD are the biggest winners here.

Very nicely??? LOL
How about "very desperately and very pricey"?


Nvidia must still play it's cards carefully to survive.

AMD+NV has been a very good partnership, but AMD doesn't desperately need them anymore. AMD still likes them very much, but has its own chipset resources now.

Intel wants a high-end GPU maker to play with to keep the benchmarkers and gamers happy while they woo the big money in the corporate market. If ATI says FU and AMD convinces NV to say FU, Intel may just decide to invest some $ and become a real player in the GPU market. Two years down the road and Intel has a first rate GPU fully optimized with Intel chipsets and Intel processors. Intel yanks NVidia's processor bus license and guess what, Intel says "no, FU!" Now Nvidia makes AMD chipsets and AMD graphics cards.... oh wait... AMD already has that capabilty in ATI... NVidia is completely redundant.

Intel doesn't want to do that because high-end GPUs are not a big money maker on Intel's scale (tons of R&D for a product with a short market window). But if you piss Intel off, it will make sure the war is fought on your turf.

Another bad aspect is that even if NV plays nice with Intel, Intel may still decide to grow in the GPU market to avoid a single-source situation where only NV provides it with high-end cards. If NV drops the ball and doesn't keep up with ATI, Intel has only integrated graphics to fall back on... not pretty. AMD will have two graphics sources so it is unlikely that both fail at the same time. Intel will not like having to rely of a single company for GPUs. It went through that with Serverworks in the server chipset arena and got bit hard. Intel will have to invest in NV to make sure they succeed, or make their own to guarantee multiple sources. Again, NV gets into a redundant position where both CPU makers have in-house chipset and graphics.

Both Intel and AMD like Nvidia for their own reasons. But at the end of the day, they both want to keep the profits in house.

Hey, I thought I was Kinney

Anywho, I really am interested to see how the ATI fanATIcs are taking this; as good news or bad.

Any comments, GreatApe?

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