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July 25, 2006 2:35:27 AM

I got $100 for my birthday. I have an nvidia 6600gt 128mb. It chokes on SPELLFORCE 2. It is a year old. I have an ASUS ks8-mx motherboard and amd 64 2800 cpu.
I bought the ks8-mx because it has a pci slot and a agp slot. What sucks is the pci slot. It is small and does not fit video cards. It really ticks me off that they sold me a mb with PCI Express X1 slot. What video card fits that? Is there a pci video card that fits that slot and is faster than 6600gt AGP for $100? I doubt it.
Anyway, I am ready for advise.

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a b U Graphics card
July 25, 2006 2:39:08 AM

$100 AGP > 6600GT. Sorry, no such thing really unless you buy used. $119 could get you a X800XL from ATI's website. It's a good step up, equal in performance to a 6800GT. Then sell the 6600GT and recoup $80 of the cost.
July 25, 2006 2:02:58 PM

you better hurry though, it seems like those x800xl's and x850's on ATI's website are selling like effin pancakes
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July 25, 2006 2:04:59 PM

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you better hurry though, it seems like those x800xl's and x850's on ATI's website are selling like effin pancakes

How'd you come to this conclusion?
July 25, 2006 2:09:09 PM

look through the forums. count how many advice-seeking blokes are being recommended to go to ATI's website for them videocards. in fact...theres an exact post for the people who ordered the x850. i dont see any other videocards mentioned in here thats gettin as much attention purchase-recommendation-wise
July 25, 2006 2:11:15 PM

Yeah, I ordered one. I doubt they're selling like 'pancakes' though.
July 25, 2006 2:20:25 PM

100$ is too cheap.
Your best shot with an AGP card is the 7800 GS, wich has a more powerfull version from Gainward that almost matches the 7900 GT.
That would cost over 300$ however. You can make at least 50$ selling ur card, but ur going to have to raise the rest, and ur CPU is dated as well. I say u should buy a new PC, but if all u get for ur Birthday is 100$ then i wouldnt count on it, not that im trying to say anything.. :oops: 
July 25, 2006 2:23:11 PM

relative to the other ones mentioned here? yeah, id say they are lookin like "pancakes"
July 25, 2006 5:03:47 PM

I agree with Track, you're better off saving up to purchase a new PC. Your processor is outdated and you won't find a better card than the 6600 with only $100. I saw at tigerdirect.com a 6800 w/256 on sale for $99 but this was on a PCIE platform.
July 25, 2006 9:09:19 PM

You say "pancakes" I say "hotcakes." I bought one earlier this month and I'm efin lovin' it.
July 25, 2006 9:36:25 PM

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I got $100 for my birthday. I have an nvidia 6600gt 128mb. It chokes on SPELLFORCE 2. It is a year old. I have an ASUS ks8-mx motherboard and amd 64 2800 cpu.
I bought the ks8-mx because it has a pci slot and a agp slot. What sucks is the pci slot. It is small and does not fit video cards. It really ticks me off that they sold me a mb with PCI Express X1 slot. What video card fits that? Is there a pci video card that fits that slot and is faster than 6600gt AGP for $100? I doubt it.
Anyway, I am ready for advise.


I would suggest you try and get hold of another $20 and get one of those pancakes everyone is talking about. An X800XL will let you get some more life out of your system. Theres still another years worth of life in that system. SO grab a X800XLand then sell your 6600 and your sorted! :D 
July 25, 2006 9:37:59 PM

Be a good lad and take Pauldh's advice. X800XL. Tell your parents you'll pay them back the additional money once you sell the 6600GT which you could sell for at least $40.00.

If you don't sell it...well it is summer and there are a lot of lawns to mow.
July 25, 2006 9:49:29 PM

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100$ is too cheap.
Your best shot with an AGP card is the 7800 GS, wich has a more powerfull version from Gainward that almost matches the 7900 GT.
That would cost over 300$ however.


More idiot advice from Track. The 7800GS is the best AGP card available, but it's 2x the cost of the X800XL, which gives 90% of the performance. The 7800GS is a fast card, but a terrible value.

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not that im trying to say anything.. :oops: 


He's not trying to say anything; he just can't help making these stupid comments.
July 25, 2006 10:07:20 PM

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Be a good lad and take Pauldh's advice. X800XL. Tell your parents you'll pay them back the additional money once you sell the 6600GT which you could sell for at least $40.00.

If you don't sell it...well it is summer and there are a lot of lawns to mow.


exactly.
July 25, 2006 10:15:21 PM

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I got $100 for my birthday. I have an nvidia 6600gt 128mb. It chokes on SPELLFORCE 2. It is a year old. I have an ASUS ks8-mx motherboard and amd 64 2800 cpu.
I bought the ks8-mx because it has a pci slot and a agp slot. What sucks is the pci slot. It is small and does not fit video cards. It really ticks me off that they sold me a mb with PCI Express X1 slot. What video card fits that? Is there a pci video card that fits that slot and is faster than 6600gt AGP for $100? I doubt it.
Anyway, I am ready for advise.

PauldH's advice is the best. There really is no viable alternative to the X800XL, if you want a good upgrade from your current card; it's about twice as powerful.

Ignore the suggestions that you should go for the 7800GS. The Gainward "bliss" model mentioned is sold in the UK only, and they don't ship to North America. That, and a standard 7800GS isn't quite as great as everyone says; in most tests, it does appear that a Radeon X850XT beats it; the X800XL will come quite close, and at a third of the cost.

And yes, you should easily be able to recoup more than the difference by selling your old card once you have the new one. A used 6600GT AGP should probably fetch at least $50US, if not more.

Oh, and to help you out, here's the actual link to the X800XL:

http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2984012

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100$ is too cheap.
Your best shot with an AGP card is the 7800 GS, wich has a more powerfull version from Gainward that almost matches the 7900 GT.
That would cost over 300$ however. You can make at least 50$ selling ur card, but ur going to have to raise the rest, and ur CPU is dated as well. I say u should buy a new PC, but if all u get for ur Birthday is 100$ then i wouldnt count on it, not that im trying to say anything.. :oops: 

Yes, but that card is also availible only in the UK, and they won't ship it out of Europe. And it more of matches the 7800GT, not the 7900GT, which is superior to the 7800GTX.

As for the CPU? Give me a break; I have that very same kind of CPU in my system, and it's far from dead. Just because Conroes and dual-core AM2s are raining from the sky, doesn't mean that one should immediately toss whatever chip one has at the moment. And yes, if you want to know, my PC has an AGP card. (an X800XT) It can blaze through any game on the market quite well, including Oblivion and F.E.A.R..

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I agree with Track, you're better off saving up to purchase a new PC. Your processor is outdated and you won't find a better card than the 6600 with only $100. I saw at tigerdirect.com a 6800 w/256 on sale for $99 but this was on a PCIE platform.

Well, PCI-e is significantly cheaper than AGP. And no, they don't need a new PC.
July 26, 2006 7:27:35 PM

NEVER buy 7800gs it is a rip off instead get 6800gs which is far cheaper and only a few fps behind
July 26, 2006 7:29:41 PM

if i was u i would look on ebay

i found 6800gt agp high end msi mobo and a high end watercooling kit 4 $110 inc postage
July 26, 2006 7:52:23 PM

All this and a high end water cooling kit? For 110$ you probably got a picture of all the stuff and some play-doh. Anyways, save up the 20 bucks my friend and get the pancake selling x800xl.
a b U Graphics card
July 26, 2006 7:55:55 PM

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NEVER buy 7800gs it is a rip off instead get 6800gs which is far cheaper and only a few fps behind

I don't at all agree with you. A 6800GS AGP is far from a good buy. With their slow clock speeds they are no where near a 7800GS, nor even a 6800GT for that matter. And priced $190 and up in the USA, they represent a perfect example of how AGP buyers get screwed by pricing/availability. A 7600GS would offer more for the money.
July 26, 2006 10:22:31 PM

i like the x850 sounds like the best bet.
July 26, 2006 11:10:32 PM

Not quite in his price range, especially the AGP version of the X850, which is what interface he is using.
July 27, 2006 12:27:21 AM

mmmmmmm hotcakes.....free shipping...mmmmmmm
July 27, 2006 1:24:08 AM

You guys have been a lot of help. I have narrowed it down to a used x800xl for $119 or a new 7800gs for $134. Which would you recommend?
July 27, 2006 2:41:14 AM

I went with the new 7600gs 256mb. I like new. Thanks for all the info. Hopefully it will be a good upgrade from 6600gt. Shipping and all is $145.
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2006 3:13:41 AM

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I went with the new 7600gs 256mb. I like new. Thanks for all the info. Hopefully it will be a good upgrade from 6600gt. Shipping and all is $145.

8O Did anyone recommend that card? A 7600GS is NOT a 7800GS. Sorry to say, but if that is a 400/800 clocked 7600GS, it's not much of an upgrade. Some games it should show a difference, others I would think not. The $119 X800XL or the new X850 pro for $139(if it ever comes in stock) would be so much better.

Just one example where the 7600GS didn't manage to pull ahead of the 6600GT, while the X800XL had double the performance:
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0606/itogi...
July 27, 2006 3:30:14 AM

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I went with the new 7600gs 256mb. I like new. Thanks for all the info. Hopefully it will be a good upgrade from 6600gt. Shipping and all is $145.


8O What were you thinking? The X800XL kills the 7600GS, and then pisses on the body. The 7600GS isn't really an upgrade from your 6600GT. You might get a couple more FPS in some games, but it's not going to make a slideshow playable. Just look at the benchmarks that Paul's linked to.
July 27, 2006 3:33:58 AM

well, the way I read that chart says that the 7600 did beat the 6600... but you are dead-right that the x800xl totally KILLED them both.

granted, that is on FarCry... an old but good game, but still... I agree that the x800 was the better choice, but what is done is done now. ;) 
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2006 11:43:11 AM

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well, the way I read that chart says that the 7600 did beat the 6600...

Yeah it's a victory, but 18.9 fps over 17.2 fps is hardly a victory worth pointing out. :roll:

We could look at Fear where the 7600GS manages 29 fps and the 6600GT 24.7 fps, but even still it that a worthy upgrade? The X800XL score 45 fps in comparison. SPCT is back to a 1 fps victory. So is COD2, but in that one the X800XL is only 7-9 fps ahead of both of them.

It's not that a 7600GS is a terrible card, it's just that the OP didn't have a terrible card to start with either. Rather than juming straight ahead, he kinda sidestepped into a new gen card with only a slight forward gain in performance.
July 27, 2006 2:13:25 PM

oh ya, was not arguing against you at all. totally agree.

and when you look at that x800/850 it becomes moot anyway. I would definitely get one of those if possible.
July 28, 2006 1:08:23 AM

Maybe I did make a mistake. It has shipped already. Someone did say something good about the card in an earlier reply on this same topic. Also the first subject on video cards in the forums says it is the best card for $150.
The Short List: the Best Gaming Videocards for the money


http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/Short-List-Gami...

"BEST AGP CARD FOR ~$150:
Geforce 7600 GS
Codename: G73, 90 nanometer technology
12 PixelShaders, 5 VertexShaders, 12 TextureUnits, 8 RasterOpsProcessors
128-bit memory bus
400 Mhz core, 400 Mhz DDR (800 Mhz Effective) Memory

With identical features compared to it's faster 7600 GT brethren, the 7600 GS lacks only the core and memory clockspeeds - however, the GT's clockspeeds are so much higher that the GS pales in comparison. Nevertheless, the 7600 GS is a great AGP card as it trumps the X1600 and 6600 GT for just a little more money, and is a good overclocker's choice due to the underclocked 7600 core - although it's unlikely it's memory will ever clock anywhere near the 700 Mhz (1400 Mhz DDR) of the 7600 GT."

I have also noticed Far Cry and Half Life2 are relative easy on video cards. My 6600gt runs great on both. The main game for the upgrade is SPELLFORCE 2 where you can have 100+ characters on the screen. I hope the 2x jump in MB's will make a difference.

I have been cursed with used purchases all my life. The last 5 auto's I have purchased have been brand new. I was very tempted when I saw it was the official ATI web selling the used card.

Thanks again for your posts. I will let you know how the card works out with SPELLFORCE 2. I understand the AGP 7600gs is a new card that has just come out.
July 28, 2006 3:03:55 AM

hey, I dont think you will be dissapointed in the 7600 at all... just that the x800 would be better.

and If you look at the bottom of the agp section of that short list thread you would see this:

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If you MUST upgrade your AGP videocard, your best bet for the dollar is to find a used X800 XL or 6800 GT, which you should be able to find on ebay for under $200, both of which perform relatively closely to the 7800 GS.


So while yes it is a good card and you will do well w/ it, now that the x800xl is dropping in price (which that short list does not show) it is truly the darling of the agp market right now.
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2006 3:19:40 AM

Problem is, while very useful for sure, the best cards for the money sticky can't possibly keep up with rare great deals like the X800XL and X850 pro. So it's best to check as many of us here always have our eyes out for the extra-ordinary deals. It would be useful to include in that sticky a list of cards ranked/grouped with performance so people can see that while not on the recommended list(because usually higher priced), a certain card is a better performing card than currently similar priced cards, so a better buy. IMO, right now, the X800XL and X850 pro should be tops on that recommended AGP list for North Americans. But, These ATI deals are for USA and Canada only, which i'd suspect half of the people visiting here are from outside those areas.

The 7600GS isn't bad by any means, it's just not a big upgrade from what you had, and the new $139 X850 pro is so much faster offering doublt the framerates at times. Sorry to say, it seems you ignored our advice and missed getting alot more for your money. If you had said, "I am thinking of ordering this" before ordering, you would have been steered clear and toward another card. You are going to have to OC that thing to see a real noticeable difference from your 6600GT. Sorry. :( 



A list something like this......

AGP performance rankings starting at the best:
Gaiward Bliss 7800GS (24 & 20 pipes)
7800GS / X850Xtpe
X800Xtpe/X850XT/6800U
X800XT
6800GT/X800XL/X850 pro
X800pro/X800GTO/6800GS
7600GS/6800
6600GT/X1600pro/9800XT/X700 pro/9800 pro
Etc……..
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2006 3:44:15 AM

if you want to keep your agp. listen to the big guys
they are right the x800xl is a good buy
July 28, 2006 4:00:07 AM

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It would be useful to include in that sticky a list of cards ranked/grouped with performance so people can see that while not on the recommended list(because usually higher priced), a certain card is a better performing card than currently similar priced cards, so a better buy.

A list something like this......

AGP performance rankings starting at the best:
Gaiward Bliss 7800GS (24 & 20 pipes)
7800GS / X850Xtpe
X800Xtpe/X850XT/6800U
X800XT
6800GT/X800XL/X850 pro
X800pro/X800GTO/6800GS
7600GS/6800
6600GT/X1600pro/9800XT/X700 pro/9800 pro
Etc……..


isn't that what Tom's interactive vga charts are for? Given different games/apps it shows where a card stands. I believe that the x800xl is on there and ranked rather well on most games in relation to much more expensive cards.
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2006 4:06:45 AM

i have looked at the interactive gpu charts
and seen the 68gt which i have,

run fear at 50 somthing fps.
and the 68gt in sli run
fear at 24 fps.

i just ordered another 68gt for sli <120$ plus 25$ shipping>
i know i can get a 79gt for about 100$ more.
but i want sli

so i hope and dont think that 68gts in sli
will slow overall gaming.
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2006 4:10:26 AM

The 6800GT in SLi will offer a nice boost in most games. Have fun with them. :) 
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2006 4:15:00 AM

Yeah, the interactive charts would have come in handy for him. Tell you the truth, I forget about those charts quite often and consider Digit-lifes charts to be the place to see how cards rank. Lots of games and various resolutions with and without eye candy.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/index.html
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2006 4:17:23 AM

thanx for the support man.

i bought it used from another member of thg.
or just bought it.
he ordered an x1600.
he doesnt game too much but wanted vivo.
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2006 4:21:27 AM

just looked at the digi life link
have never seen that before.

looks cool thanks
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2006 4:26:59 AM

They update those charts monthly and have also had some huge comparisons in the past. Here is one that compared 101 AGP cards: http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/over2k4/index.html

I must have been to that link 101 times; very handy in it's day.
July 28, 2006 2:57:45 PM

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Problem is, while very useful for sure, the best cards for the money sticky can't possibly keep up with rare great deals like the X800XL and X850 pro.


Exactly. The list deals in generalizations for new cards, and Ati is the only place that offers those sweet AGP deals - and some are refurbs, to boot. So if I start adding refurbs to the list it becomes unmanagable.

But I should probably add a note about the Ati discounts on this list at this point, they've certainly been around for a while now.
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2006 9:27:28 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't expect the rare/short lived deals to be there as They come and go and are different for each country. And I don't blame the sticky at all for his purchase. Reading it should be a prerequisite for starting a "which card should I buy" thread. I just think in this case he clearly was told about the ATI deals, but 1) didn't want a refurb, and 2) probably never saw that the X850 pro came into stock. I just hpe 6600GT to 7600GS will impress him enough to be happy with the purchase.

Those shop ATI's probably would be good to add in somewhere, as well as the X800GTO's being cheaper recently (at least for us at newegg), but really the 7600GS is a pretty much worldwide available card at it's list price anyway, so it probably is the best deal for many people looking for AGP.
July 28, 2006 9:31:40 PM

I agree man, it is a good card and hopefully he will be pleased.
July 29, 2006 3:10:07 PM

I wanted a new card. The 6600gt on pricewatch was $55. The 7600gs was a little under 3x that much. I had a ATI card before but did not like it. New 850's were $200 or more. Seems like for nvidia the *600's are the most for the money. I wanted a 7600gt but none are out now. I heard the 7800gs was a great agp card but a bad value.
I am kinda out of sync with pc tech for the last year. I used to be a Gateway pc phone tech for an outsource callcenter. That was 4 years ago. I went on to be a Sup for Dell customer care. For the last year I have been a phone rep for Walgreens. Not a lot of geeks there.
I watched TechTV a lot but they sold out to G4. Instead of lots of pc hardware reviews you get a lot of console games and whores and young boys who think they are way too cool.
I remember Techtv recommending Tomshardware.com and this is where I got the idea for 6600gt. Tomshardware.com has taken the place of Techtv. I may build my own system next time. I have Ubuntu linux discs for a new system but I am not sure they would run games.
I should be up for a promotion and pay raise at the callcenter soon. All of my tech stuff needs to be upgraded. New pc, new hd projector (the 10 year old big screen is dead), New 20 inch monitor.
I know I didn't follow everyone's advise but here is a sincere thank you for you guys who stay on these boards and help guys out. I will let you know how the 7600gs turns out. It should be here by 8/3/06.
I will be interested in overclocking the card and the amd64 2800. Maybe watercool them. I am already checking out sites.
July 29, 2006 5:16:34 PM

no worries man, rock on. :) 
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