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July 27, 2006 4:15:14 PM

I narrowed down my quest for a new gdu to these 2 options...but which is newer/better? They're both the same card, but different models by the same company...

(link to the items)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?SrchInDes...

Model #: 256-P2-N553-AX
or
Model #: 256-P2-N554-AX
???

also....this doesnt belong here but...
what type of memory should i buy to increase my internet cache? also, is there somethign to increase my overall computer performance?
One last thing...should i change from IE to FireFox??

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a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2006 4:46:23 PM

Quote:
I narrowed down my quest for a new gdu to these 2 options...but which is newer/better? They're both the same card, but different models by the same company...

(link to the items)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?SrchInDes...

Model #: 256-P2-N553-AX
or
Model #: 256-P2-N554-AX
???

also....this doesnt belong here but...
what type of memory should i buy to increase my internet cache? also, is there somethign to increase my overall computer performance?
One last thing...should i change from IE to FireFox??


The KO edition has a copper heatsink. Only difference. Internet Cache?
July 27, 2006 5:06:48 PM

The KO is 4 bucks less, I'd go with that. I use firefox, stops a lot of popups and isnt a target for a lot of viruses like IE is.
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July 27, 2006 6:30:25 PM

is the copper heat sink better or worse?
when i said internet cache i mean... when you go to tools>internet options>delete temporary internet files

what type of memory should i get to incrase the speed+performance of my computer, mainly web browsing?
July 27, 2006 6:46:42 PM

There is no special "Internet Cache", its just ur RAM.
July 27, 2006 6:52:04 PM

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There is no special "Internet Cache", its just ur RAM.

thx
Is there a company that has 'bad ram' (lol) that i should not get?

and can u comment on if a copper heat sink is a better thing?
July 27, 2006 7:01:51 PM

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There is no special "Internet Cache", its just ur RAM.

thx
Is there a company that has 'bad ram' (lol) that i should not get?

and can u comment on if a copper heat sink is a better thing?

No, hell i dont know what company my RAM comes from, course i bought it 2 years ago when i didnt know so much abt computers.

It makes no difference, if u must buy that card, then u decide wich one to buy. Its not enough for games, and far too much for Internet.
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2006 7:03:57 PM

Quote:
is the copper heat sink better or worse?
when i said internet cache i mean... when you go to tools>internet options>delete temporary internet files

what type of memory should i get to incrase the speed+performance of my computer, mainly web browsing?


I have two of the EVga 7600Gt Ko (copper HS) in SLI. They are great. Very fast. In SLI, beats the snot out of my ATI 1800xt..

Don't know how to answer your Internet/Ram question.
July 27, 2006 7:14:30 PM

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It makes no difference, if u must buy that card, then u decide wich one to buy. Its not enough for games, and far too much for Internet.


???? the ge force 7600gt isent enough for games??? I want to play CS:S on it .... ?
July 27, 2006 7:17:24 PM

If you just want to increase your computer speed, then more memory should usually do the trick. If your not in a hurry, I would suggest going to websites like www.outpost.com (if you don't have a Fry's store near you) and wait for cheap ram deals. Also, make sure you know exactly how much ram you can put in your computer, and what kind. Buy from brands that have been around a while, like Kingston (value ram), better brands are Patriot, OCZ, Corsair, Patriot, GEIL, whatever. You can get a 1gig (2*512) of DDR 400 for like... 50 bucks on sale or after MIR. That should help your computer quite a bit.
July 27, 2006 7:22:35 PM

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It makes no difference, if u must buy that card, then u decide wich one to buy. Its not enough for games, and far too much for Internet.


???? the ge force 7600gt isent enough for games??? I want to play CS:S on it .... ?

Its good, but its not great. It can play most games on Medium settings.
So yeh, it CAN play any game, but not with high graphic settings. For ppl like me, who want to play current games on MAX detail, a high end card is needed, such as the X1900XT.
July 27, 2006 7:28:27 PM

sigh
the 7600gt is a few hundred cheaper :? and i can deal with medium settings. Right now i have integrated graphics, even low settings are too laggy for me.

Is the copper heat sink better than the other one ?? does the other one even have a heat sink on it?
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Also, make sure you know exactly how much ram you can put in your computer, and what kind.

How do i tell how much ram i can put in my computer, and what kind?
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2006 7:38:40 PM

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sigh
the 7600gt is a few hundred cheaper :? and i can deal with medium settings. Right now i have integrated graphics, even low settings are too laggy for me.

Is the copper heat sink better than the other one ?? does the other one even have a heat sink on it?
Also, make sure you know exactly how much ram you can put in your computer, and what kind.

How do i tell how much ram i can put in my computer, and what kind?

I used Zalman GPU coolers on my two 7600GTs. The fans on the factory copper heatsinks are small in comparison to the Zalman coolers I'm using. Reduced my idle tems 3 to 4 C with Zalman. The cards are overclocked factory 580/1500. Running two the tmps get a little warm. One should run cool enough out of the box.
July 27, 2006 7:44:59 PM

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It makes no difference, if u must buy that card, then u decide wich one to buy. Its not enough for games, and far too much for Internet.


???? the ge force 7600gt isent enough for games??? I want to play CS:S on it .... ?

Yes it is, and it can handle higher than medium settings on a lot of games.
July 27, 2006 8:02:29 PM

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It makes no difference, if u must buy that card, then u decide wich one to buy. Its not enough for games, and far too much for Internet.


???? the ge force 7600gt isent enough for games??? I want to play CS:S on it .... ?

Yes it is, and it can handle higher than medium settings on a lot of games.

Not a lot. It cant run F.E.A.R on high, oblivion, Prey etc. Old games, yeh.

To know wich kind/how much RAM u can get u need to look at ur Motherboard.. wich do u have?
July 27, 2006 8:05:51 PM

You should check out the benchmarks before making statements like that. It may not keep up with the big boys at resolutions like 2560x1600, but it most certainly is enough for gaming.
July 27, 2006 8:14:17 PM

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It makes no difference, if u must buy that card, then u decide wich one to buy. Its not enough for games, and far too much for Internet.


???? the ge force 7600gt isent enough for games??? I want to play CS:S on it .... ?

Yes it is, and it can handle higher than medium settings on a lot of games.

Not a lot. It cant run F.E.A.R on high, oblivion, Prey etc. Old games, yeh.

To know wich kind/how much RAM u can get u need to look at ur Motherboard.. wich do u have?
There are only a few video cards that DON'T have trouble with F.E.A.R. and Oblivion. Mainly Oblivion.
July 27, 2006 8:47:34 PM

hey if you dont know what type of ram you are putting in your computer then how do you know if you have a pci express slot or agp slot? Or do you know? You need to find out before you buy this stuff. If your computer is too old for upgrading then you cant use any of these parts that you want to buy.
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2006 9:42:56 PM

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hey if you dont know what type of ram you are putting in your computer then how do you know if you have a pci express slot or agp slot? Or do you know? You need to find out before you buy this stuff. If your computer is too old for upgrading then you cant use any of these parts that you want to buy.


Go easy on him He's spanish.
July 27, 2006 9:54:34 PM

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hey if you dont know what type of ram you are putting in your computer then how do you know if you have a pci express slot or agp slot? Or do you know? You need to find out before you buy this stuff. If your computer is too old for upgrading then you cant use any of these parts that you want to buy.

Wow your the ONLY person who noticed the title!
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im computer illiterate, please help me!

Thank you! and yes i have a pci-e slot, about a month ago i started looking into this stuff, and the people here helped me out and told me everything i didnt know about my computer.

my question is, ignoring the price difference, which is the better card...somebody said something about a copper heat sink...but i dont know what he ment by it :?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?SrchInDes...

Also.... i need a new psu, all of the combo deals have 500w+ psu's, and i dont think i need that much. my current psu is 300w. The minimum requirment is 350w for the 7600gt, and i also want to get a gig of ram, so i imagine that would take more power..so i was thinking a 400w psu would be great incase i ever decide to add something else to my computer. What do u guys recemend....

And that leads my to my Last question ( sorry for having them all in here, i know they dont belong in the graphics thread ) how do i tell which RAM memory my computer can use...the sticker on the front of my computer says:
250 GB SATA HDD 7200 RPM with 8 MB cache
1024 MB DDR dual channel memory

Intel Pentium 4 Processor 540
supporting hyper-threading technology
processor speed 3.20 GHz, 800 MHz FSB, 1 MB L2 cache

...my harddrive failed and i got a new one from gateway, so i dont have any of the stuff i had before. Before i had a text file that had all of my computer info on it...some guy from here told me to go to a sight and download something and it listed all my specs...but i dont have that anymore.

If you need it i can find my computer model on gateway.com and it should list anything u need to know there...

Thank you for putting up with me!!! You guys have been a great help!
July 27, 2006 11:07:36 PM

450W should be fine. As far as RAM goes, you could always go to your computer manufacturers website and search using your computer's model number to see what kind of RAM you have.
July 28, 2006 12:00:51 AM

You have DDR Ram, and judging by your processor, it is probably DDR 400 (unless gateway went cheap).

According to the sticker on the front of your computer, you already have a gig of ram, so I don't know what is up with that.

Also, concerning the copper heatsink, don't worry about it. All you need to know is that copper conducts heat better than aluminum, and will cool your video card better. So I say go for the KO edition of the video card, as it has a copper cooler.

If you are looking for a psu, here is a link to a good Antec 550 watt:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Do not just buy any old psu, you will regret doing so. The one I have chosen for you is a quality psu at a good price. I highly recommend you get that one if you are going to buy a psu. It will also give you enough power for future upgrades and/or new systems.

However, I am not sure whether or not your computer uses proprietary components or not. If it does, you cannot use that power supply.

On a side note, don't worry about the 7600GT. It is a good card, and can handle most games at medium/high settings. If you play games like Battlefield 2, your ram is more of a limitation.

If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
July 28, 2006 9:27:28 AM

Illeterate dude, we need to know ur motherboard before we can help u.
July 28, 2006 10:44:56 AM

Hi, if you need to know more about your setup, download PCWizard, it will tell you most of what you need to know i.e. motherboard and RAM etc.

PCWizard

Good luck
July 28, 2006 12:21:14 PM

Will my ram be a problem for playing games?
Is there ANY thing u guys notice about my computer that will limit me some how ? im not going to play oblivian and fear, and i dont care if i cant play on max settings, just as long as i have smooth game play.
Is there a way to increase the amount of RAM my internet uses to store files? or is it using it all now 8O
How do i tell if my computer uses "proprietary components" ??

If you need any more info tell me
Info:
-main board
General Information :
Manufacturer : Intel Corporation
Product : D915GSE
Version : AAC77848-103
Serial Number : BTSE43704254
Support MP : No

Chassis Information :
Manufacturer : Gateway
Type : Desktop
Version : Unspecified
Serial Number : XSL4B 210 04008
Asset : Unspecified

Sensor Information :
Monitoring Chip : SMSC EMC6D103

On-Board Device Information :
Device : Intel(R) Extreme Graphics 3 Controller (Video)
Device : Marvell Ethernet Device (Ethernet)
Device : Intel(R) Azalia Audio Device (Sound)

Slots Information :
Slot PCI-Express : Available () 3.3v
Slot PCI : Available (32-bit) 3.3v
Slot PCI : Available (32-bit) 3.3v
Slot PCI : In Use (32-bit) 3.3v

External Connectors :

Internal Connectors :
PRIMARY : On Board IDE
SECONDARY : On Board IDE
ATX_PWR :

-physical memory
General Information :
CHAN A DIMM 0 (J6H1) : 512 MB - DIMM
CHAN A DIMM 1 (J6H2) : 32768 MB - DIMM
CHAN B DIMM 0 (J6J1) : 512 MB - DIMM
CHAN B DIMM 1 (J6J2) : 32768 MB - DIMM

Information SPD EEPROM () :
Manufacturer : Nanya Technology
Part Number : NT512D64S8HC0G-5T
Serial Number : Unspecified
Type : DDR-SDRAM PC3200 (200 MHz) - [DDR-400]
Size : 512 MB (2 rows, 4 banks)
Module Buffered : No
Module Registered : No
Module EPP : No
Width : 64-bit
Error Correction Capability : No
Max. Burst Length : 8
Refresh : Reduced (.5x)7.8 µs, Self Refresh
Voltage : SSTL 2.5v
Manufacture : Week 39 of 2004
Supported Frequencies : 166 MHz, 200 MHz
CAS Latency (tCL) : 2.5 clocks @166 MHz, 3 clocks @200 MHz
RAS to CAS (tRCD) : 3 clocks @166 MHz, 3 clocks @200 MHz
RAS Precharge (tRP) : 3 clocks @166 MHz, 3 clocks @200 MHz
Cycle Time (tRAS) : 7 clocks @166 MHz, 8 clocks @200 MHz

Information SPD EEPROM () :
Manufacturer : Nanya Technology
Part Number : NT512D64S8HC0G-5T
Serial Number : Unspecified
Type : DDR-SDRAM PC3200 (200 MHz) - [DDR-400]
Size : 512 MB (2 rows, 4 banks)
Module Buffered : No
Module Registered : No
Module EPP : No
Width : 64-bit
Error Correction Capability : No
Max. Burst Length : 8
Refresh : Reduced (.5x)7.8 µs, Self Refresh
Voltage : SSTL 2.5v
Manufacture : Week 39 of 2004
Supported Frequencies : 166 MHz, 200 MHz
CAS Latency (tCL) : 2.5 clocks @166 MHz, 3 clocks @200 MHz
RAS to CAS (tRCD) : 3 clocks @166 MHz, 3 clocks @200 MHz
RAS Precharge (tRP) : 3 clocks @166 MHz, 3 clocks @200 MHz
Cycle Time (tRAS) : 7 clocks @166 MHz, 8 clocks @200 MHz

Memory Controller Information :
Memory Controller : System Memory
Location : Mainboard
Error Correction Capability : No
Number of connectors : 4
Max. Module Size : 4096 KB
July 28, 2006 1:18:58 PM

Well your processor is plenty fast enough and if you have a 1024MB RAM that should be enough for now as well (though there are one or two games that can make use of a little more).

I would concentrate just on upgrading your graphics card, considering you are using Intel integrated graphics the difference should be like night and day!

Don't think it's necessary to go mad on the power supply. The only other thing I'd look at when you have the case open is cooling. I'f there aren't any cooling fans in there at the moment and your case has room for them, I'd stick one on the back pulling hot air out and if there is room, one on the front to pull fresh air in. Hey, if you are in Spain and without air conditioning, things can get quite toasty there!

Generally your system should be fairly speedy in general use, if it feels slow it may be worth looking to see if uneeded things are running in the background etc. I trust you are using an antivirus and that you scan once in a while for any spyware, there are free tools for those e.g. AVG and Adaware.

Hope this helps a little. Sure you'll be enjoying some decent gaming as soon as you get a proper graphics card in there.

Karl
July 28, 2006 2:00:09 PM

I just got done speaking to the gateway update/sales support ...he wasent much help though :roll: it was pretty funny because i ignored him every time he said
Bruce_GWPS028 says: Are you going to use mastercard or visa?"
and i just asked another question....heh, also im 16 and dont have a credit card 8O

my choices for memory are:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?DEPA=0&ty...

which do you recemend? Im almost positive those are compatable with my computer....i asked the gate way guy what the "timing" was and he could only explain the 1st 2 numbers.

Is heat spreader a good thing, or a bad thing??
Is there a way to increase the amount of RAM my internet uses to store temp files, or is it using it all now..?
How do i tell if my computer uses "proprietary components" ??

My problem with memory is i play Gaia online, its a free web game, and i have to keep deleting my temporary internet files or else parts of the game will not load. Imput on this ?
July 28, 2006 2:03:17 PM

Copper is better than aluminum. The KO cooler also cools the memory and runs a little quieter. It's the same cooler as on the eVGA 7900GT I have in my machine.
July 28, 2006 2:27:04 PM

Temporary internet files have nothing to do with RAM. RAM is working memory for instructions being executed. Temporary internet files are stored on your HDD. If your HDD is not full (I'm guessing not since it was recently wiped), you can increase the size of your IE cache by going to Tools/Internet Options clicking Settings button under the Temporary Internet files heading, and increasing the amount of HD space you want to use for temp file cache.

Don't worry about a new power supply. That card should pose no problem to your current stock unit. If you get lockups on entering 3d mode, ie a game, or visual artifacts (snow, weird colors), or your computer reboots itself, that could be an underpowered PS, but that is unlikely with what you're talking about. Also, Gateway most likely uses a custom PS connector, meaning swapping PSUs will require cutting wires and splicing them into different wires, not fun.

Finally, copper vs plain heat sink on the video card won't have a huge impact. It is partly style and partly efficiency. A copper heat sink might keep the chip 1-2 degrees cooler, but that will not have much impact. Might increase the life of the card a few %, but it would be like 6.5 years instead of 6. A more important factor is the quality of the silicon in the GPU, and the metal in your heatsink won't change that.
July 28, 2006 2:51:11 PM

Illiterate dude, u have 4 memory slots. This means u can have a max of 4GB of memory, using 4, 1GB sticks.
You have 512MB of memory now, if ur using 1 stick then u have 3 more spaces, and if ur using 2 sticks of 256MB then u have 2 more spaces. In any case, to speed up ur PC u can buy another 512MB of ram, prefferably in 1 stick of 512MB, but i dont think ull see a big difference in performance. If u want faster Internet browsing, get a higher connection.

Remmember to buy DDR 400 memory!
July 28, 2006 3:14:02 PM

The gateway guy told me you have to use memory sticks in pairs?
I have 1024 dual channel memory (x2 512 sticks i think)

Im concidering not getting a new psu, and not getting more memory, and just getting the 7600gt KO

Is 1024 enough memory to play most games on steam ?
Will it affect my computer performance if i keep my 300w psu and just get the gdu card? Will it be obvious if its under powered ?

I just changed my internet cache from 1192 mb to 31001 mb 8O

I have comcast cable btw. There is a fan sucking in air on the front of my computer, and a fan blowing out on the back, the PC wizzard says my cpu temp is 51c.
July 28, 2006 3:36:13 PM

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The gateway guy told me you have to use memory sticks in pairs?
I have 1024 dual channel memory (x2 512 sticks i think)


Only if you want to use dual channel mode. If you don't care about doubling your theoretical memory bandwidth, then don't bother. And RAM itself isn't dual channel, the motherboard runs the RAM in that mode.

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Im concidering not getting a new psu, and not getting more memory, and just getting the 7600gt KO


Fine. That should work pretty well. The 7600GT is decent, and a GB is plenty for most games.

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Is 1024 enough memory to play most games on steam ?


Yes.

Quote:
Will it affect my computer performance if i keep my 300w psu and just get the gdu card? Will it be obvious if its under powered ?


Not sure. OEM power supplies are tough to figure, because it's almost impossible to tell what brand they are, and thus how well you can predict its ability. If your PSU isn't enough, you'll be able to tell. If performance is way below where it should be, it could be throttling itself back to conserve power. Or, it just won't work. But, 7600GTs tend to be pretty efficient, so I'm 80% sure you won't have any problems.

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I just changed my internet cache from 1192 mb to 31001 mb 8O


I hope that's in disk space, not memory. If it is, you're in trouble. Turn it back to 512MB and save some disk capacity. You won't lose any performance, or gain any by increasing it, for that matter.

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I have comcast cable btw. There is a fan sucking in air on the front of my computer, and a fan blowing out on the back, the PC wizzard says my cpu temp is 51c.


Well, you do have a Pentium...probably Prescott, but it could be Northwood. Both run pretty warm. It's well within spec, so don't worry.
July 28, 2006 3:40:49 PM

Yes, 1Gb of RAM is enough for any of the games on Steam.

Although I don't know why you would want to increase your IE cache. In my personal experience, with dialup the IE cache can help speed up access to already visited sites a bit, but with broadband it doesn't matter as much. I personally don't like any temporary files at all. I don't even like cookies though I have to let the browser store them for access to some things.
July 28, 2006 3:45:30 PM

An underpowered PS will generally lock up or reboot your computer. It might be intermittent or it might be every time you start a game, but you should be able to tell.

1 GB of RAM should be enough for most games. 2GB might see improvements in load times, and a few games will run better with 2 GB, but 1 is fine for a low-mid game machine. Also, when you disable your onboard video you'll get a little more RAM for general use.
July 28, 2006 4:02:55 PM

im low-mid ? what would mid be?
If i do get x2 512 mb memory, will it be hard to install?

my choices for memory are:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?DEPA=0&ty...
which do you recemend?
Is heat spreader a good thing, or a bad thing??
Would i still be able to keep my 300w psu if i get one of those sticks, and the 7600gt ???
July 28, 2006 4:27:53 PM

Heat spreader or not doesn't matter much from what most people say. However I believe that it will help in the long run, helps soak up heat from high performance ram.
July 28, 2006 4:35:15 PM

Internet cache doesn't need to be any higher that 80-100 mb. Anything beyond that is overkill.
July 28, 2006 6:12:25 PM

don't know if they told u this but i didn't feel like reading all the post


here cones the business: cooper heatsinks are the best heatsinks!!! as cooper is the best & cheap heat conductor from all metals.

when choosing between cooper and aluminium heatsinks go for cooper

ps. search this info in a physics book :p  lol


regards to internet cache if ur willing to do a format u can create a small extar partition and set ur paging files and internet temp files to this partition

peace
July 28, 2006 6:28:43 PM

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If i do get x2 512 mb memory, will it be hard to install?


No, it is very simple, just slot it in the empty slots. Have you opened your case yet to have a look at the motherboard?

Good luck.
July 28, 2006 11:24:10 PM

Well, im ordering just the 7600gt KO when my dad gets back in about 20 mins 8) Along with CS:S and War Hammer 40k gold edition, all from newegg.com

Any last words :?

say...because its overclocked...would it actaully use the 50 extra watts it says it requires?
a b U Graphics card
July 29, 2006 12:09:07 AM

it looks like you have 1 gig of ram <2 512s> which is fine
2 would be better but it should work fine
you wont even be thinking about ram<memory>
after you get the 76gt working as it will be the biggest
improvement over onboard memory.

the factory psu,s that come with dells or gateways
are pretty decent. the reason being is

to provide enough power for the computer
reliable <if they sold a cheap one> they
meaning dell or gateway would have to warranty
the whole computer <if the psu crapped out>
and fired the mobo or whatever

the 76gt does not require a 6 pin molex power connect
as it gets its power from the pcix slot

although a better psu is always a good idea
a b U Graphics card
July 29, 2006 12:17:37 AM

a thermaltake tr2 430 power supply is around 30 $
at new egg <mybrother has one> and they have good
reviews. and they will power the 79gt and x18 or1900 ati cards
because they have a power out for 6 pin molex
though running one of the before mentioned cards with
multiple cooling fans might be a problem.
July 29, 2006 9:33:25 PM

ERRRRRRR!!! out of stock! and it says the 30$ rebate expires in a few days!!!

Also, the 7600gt says it has Memory Type GDDR3 . My RAM is DDR ....does that matter? will the 7600gt fri my mobo because of this??
Anyone have any ideas on what i should buy now? How long would it take newegg to get it back in stock?
a b U Graphics card
July 29, 2006 10:04:51 PM

the video card will work fine dont worry about it.

as for the power supply
any one from antec,thermaltake,enermax.
or the aspire brand is popular. will do fine.

if you were talking about the 430watt psu from
thermaltake and it is out of stock, well that sucks
but it tells you it is a good cheap psu.

i would imagine that new egg will restock asap.
a b U Graphics card
July 29, 2006 10:15:24 PM

i just checked new egg <ben havin trouble getting on their site>
they have a thermaltake 430watt psu for 39.99 instock

it will work fine in your set up.
July 29, 2006 10:30:46 PM

no their out of stock with the 7600gt made by eGVA

Should i wait it out *grinds his theeth*
What is vivo? i noticed the MSI version supports "vivo"??? the PNY version's reviews said it was really loud...is it possible that the eGVA version is quieter?

Newegg said the eGVA main in rebate expires 7/31 ... do you think they might stop stocking it? or do you think eGVA might make a new rebate for it??? ....i wish i ordered it sooner!!!

somebody said that a new psu would be a hassle because gateways notorious for making their things slightly different...and that i might have trouble installing it....they said i might have to split wires!?!?!? 8O
(please keep the title of this thread in mind)

i just got done talking to the gateway sales representative and he said they carry the PNY 7600gt but it costs 189$ 8O he said installing one would be simple.
a b U Graphics card
July 29, 2006 10:40:52 PM

you can pick another 76gt card if you want just about any brand will
do.

vivo is video in and video out

they will make the 76gt for a while

and installing the psu should not be a problem
just take your time and pay attention where
all the little plugs go to the mobo
July 29, 2006 10:45:29 PM

whats the difference between if it supports vivo or not ?
im thinking about just ordering the PNY version, its just as cheap as the eVGA one, Does anybody have any experience with PNY ?
a b U Graphics card
July 29, 2006 10:53:31 PM

vivo lets you connect say <a dvd or sattlelight tv reciever>
so you can watch movies or satllelight tv
i have a 6800gt it doesnt have vivo i kind of wish it did
all it does is video out

pny are pretty good

i still have a gforce 4 and fx 5200 pny video card
July 29, 2006 10:57:07 PM

ok im ordering it now with my dads credit card.
if im not back here in a week i hate you all :evil: 
if i do come back then everything worked out fine!

You guys are really helpful, some other forums i post in dont respond as quick as you guys do! Thank you!
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