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My computer restarts when I encounter an extremely demanding situation in quake 4 with all settings maxed out.

I have:
x1800x 512
p551 3.4ghz
1gb ddr400
450wOkia PSU
IDE HD
5 Fans
1 DvdRw drive

So I have a couple of concerns. First and foremost, my system is stable during alot of other games, and there are no problems. When I set everything to max in quake 4, during high stress situations, the machine restarts. It only happens during quake 4. Temps get hot, but read 70C after a crash.

Can anyone let me know if it's just that I have an insufficient power supply, and if so, is running the x1800xt bad for the card as such?

Thanks!

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Could be heat related. You can have twenty fans, but how they push, and draw air, is what counts. Also, a lousy case can have an effect

But, having said that..................

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applica [...] =TC3J-1048

That powwer supply is a cheap piece of junk. Don't want to insult you in any way. The amperage isn't up to par either.

It would be okay for an older machine with components that have less demand.

Make sure you have all the updates for the game. updating all your drivers might not be a bad place to start either. but I still think it's the psu.

Reply to swifty_morgan
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Quote :

My computer restarts when I encounter an extremely demanding situation in quake 4 with all settings maxed out.

I have:
x1800x 512
p551 3.4ghz
1gb ddr400
450wOkia PSU
IDE HD
5 Fans
1 DvdRw drive

So I have a couple of concerns. First and foremost, my system is stable during alot of other games, and there are no problems. When I set everything to max in quake 4, during high stress situations, the machine restarts. It only happens during quake 4. Temps get hot, but read 70C after a crash.

Can anyone let me know if it's just that I have an insufficient power supply, and if so, is running the x1800xt bad for the card as such?

Thanks!



Update to latest vid drivers, or different driver. Hope this helps.

Reply to badge

Like badge said, update all drivers.

But it's your power supply, you can get a goof FSP Fortran Source power supply for about $50, which would be a great improvement over your current one.

Reply to prozac26

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450wOkia PSU


There's the problem. Thats brand is one of those cheapgumball machine power supplies that come free with your case.

Talk about an unsteady, unclean current :roll:

Reply to GeneticWeapon

There are a couple of reasons that you could be rebooting. Of course, as the others have suggested, heat is often a frequent concern and may very be the cause.

In scanning various forums about your PSU I've noticed alot of complaints concerning rebooting and shutting down with respect to the Okia 450. At first glance it is ok as far as specs - dual 12v rail at 15 & 18 amps. It may be that your GPU is overwhelming a rail when setting quake to max settings. I do know that quake 4 is used in gaming benchnmarking so it is an intense game. Have you tried playing quake 4 on alightly lesser settings and see how your system handles it?

Reply to phreejak

I have tried reducing the settings, however it hasn't had much of an effect. Even when I try running it with an open case + box fan and AC it's rebooting, and the temps are really not that bad, from what I've read. I guess when it gets hardcore the load is just too much for the PSU. Thanks everyone, Much appreciate.

Reply to Aaron60060
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70°C after restart is too hot, because it's already dropped down by at least 4-5°C.
Provide better cooling, first of all with a better case.

Reply to maury73

Quote :

There are a couple of reasons that you could be rebooting. Of course, as the others have suggested, heat is often a frequent concern and may very be the cause.

In scanning various forums about your PSU I've noticed alot of complaints concerning rebooting and shutting down with respect to the Okia 450. At first glance it is ok as far as specs - dual 12v rail at 15 & 18 amps. It may be that your GPU is overwhelming a rail when setting quake to max settings. I do know that quake 4 is used in gaming benchnmarking so it is an intense game. Have you tried playing quake 4 on alightly lesser settings and see how your system handles it?



My PSU is now dead. It shot some flames and sparks around for a few seconds before I could shut it down while maxed out in quake again. Unfortunately, I now get to buy a power supply to see if my entire rig is dust. Hopefully, nothing got damaged, but I'm going to keep temps monitored. Does coolermaster make good PSUs?

Reply to Aaron60060

Their PSUs are alright. What kind of budget are you looking at as far as purchasing a PSU?

Here are two reviews, of midrange and highend PSUs, that you might find helpful

http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/psus/index.x?pg=1

http://www.bytesizedreviews.com/?rev_id=302

Reply to phreejak

70 degrees for a GPU is fine. AFAIK this is not a cpu he's talking about.

Reply to strangestranger

I went out and got an antec 550 HE, and it's running my machine pretty well, though I'm nervous to run quake 4 because I don't want flames to shoot out of my power supply again!

Wish me luck!

Reply to Aaron60060
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I've been running Quake 4 on my TP2 550W and it's fine 90% of the time. Had some problems with the game always crashing at the same spot when I loaded from a particular save game but when I load to an earlier save game and replay to the same spot, it tends to be ok.

Reply to octop8

Quote :

Wish me luck!


Good luck, I hope all goes well.

Reply to KlaasVaak

Your overclocking your system... scale it back, get a better PSU, get your self a real case, do away with all those damn fans. If your case is large and well designed you will need no more than 2-3 fans.

Reply to NeonDeon

Just out of curiosity, what other games do you run that work fine?

And the Neo HE is a pretty nice unit, albeit a little expensive for 550W. How much did you pay for it?

Reply to yourmothersanastronaut
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My PSU is now dead.



:lol: Dude, you should have listened. When the PC works fine 95% of the time but shuts down and reboots when under severe stress it is almost always the PSU not delivering enough power.

Your video card requires a PSU of certain output. Not sure what it is for your video card but ATI recommends, for example, a 450Wt PSU (check what exactly is recommended for your card).

Then, when buying a new PSU, check the box for detailed specifications. Make sure that the PSU Continuous Output (also called Sustained Output) is at least equal to what is recommended by ATI. Maximum (or Peak) output may be greater than recommended but this number is irrelevant for your purposes.

Reply to Slava

It was my GPU at 70C. Btw, I had my computer restart randomly again. I'm not sure why, because it wasn't under any particular strain. I thought for sure the antec would be fine. Any ideas?

Reply to Aaron60060

It restarted again?

Odd. I'd check in Event Viewer (Start, Programs, Admin. Tools, Event Viewer or Ctrl+Alt+Delete, File, New Task, Eventvwr.exe.). Also want to turn off automatic restart. Start, Settings, Control Panel, System, Advanced, Settings under Startup and Recovery, uncheck automatically restart.

I'd also check your PSU rails, though they should be stellar. Go into your BIOS, something about Power or voltages? Note what it says next to 12V.

~Ibrahim~

Reply to ikjadoon

I have everest professional edition, and it says all of the voltages are fine, but is there a way to guarantee accuracy without an external voltmeter/ameter?

Reply to Aaron60060

The BIOS is usually the best you can get without an external device. So the rails seem to be OK...What did it say in Event Viewer?

~Ibrahim~

Reply to ikjadoon

I'm actually working right now, so I haven't yet had an opportunity to examine what is says in the event viewer yet. I've done alot with PC's, but never messed with the power supply. Could the problem be I've only got 20 of 24 pins for my motherboard plugged into the main power? My last supply had only 20 pins total plugged into my 24 pin slot, and I read that the extra 4 wires will double the 12v capacity. Is that true? Is this why it restarts at times?

Reply to Aaron60060
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My PSU is now dead. It shot some flames and sparks around for a few seconds

8O

Plug in the extra 4-pin connector.

And just as a precaution, inspect your motherboard's capacitors with the help of a flashlight. Make sure none of them are leaking or corroded.

Reply to Anoobis
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Download SiSoftware Sandra. (They have free versions. I know that some older free versions have a lot of powerful features. Not sure about newer versions. You will have to read up on this.) Then do the following:

First, run the Performance Tune-Up Wizard. It will tell you which parts of your system (both software - including Windows services - and hardware) are not configured optimally. Correct the problems as per Sandra's recommendations;

Second, run Sandra's Brun-In Wizard. If any of the components in your machine fail the Burn-In test you will get usable info re: the rasons why they failed. Take it from there.

Be advised that Burn-In Wizard takes a long time - up to two hours, maybe longer. Be patient.

Third, your new PSU seems fine. Antec makes very good products. It it is highly unlikely that the reboots are caused by the PSU.

Checking the event log and your voltages via BIOS and all that other stuff people suggested, including examination of capacitors is okay. But somehow it seems to me that it is a RAM problem.

Download and run MemTest (I think they have it in the download section at www.guru3D.com ). You will have to create a bootable floppy and start your PC with it. Leave MemTest running overnight. If any of your sticks are bad you will get a report in the morning.

If MemTest is still running after 8 hours or so and displays no errors - your RAM is fine.

Reply to Slava

Field Value
Sensor Properties
Sensor Type SMSC EMC6D103 (SMBus 2Eh)
GPU Sensor Type National LM64 (ATI-I2C 18h)
Motherboard Name Intel D915GLVG / D915PLWD / D915PSY

Temperatures
Motherboard 49 °C (120 °F)
CPU 59 °C (138 °F)
Aux 49 °C (120 °F)
GPU 63 °C (145 °F)
GPU Ambient 58 °C (136 °F)
GPU VRM 64 °C (147 °F)
Seagate ST3120026A 35 °C (95 °F)

Cooling Fans
CPU 1643 RPM
Chassis 964 RPM

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.18 V
+1.5 V 1.50 V
+3.3 V 3.32 V
+5 V 4.95 V
+12 V 12.00 V

Does this seem hot for an idle system?

Reply to Aaron60060
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Your CPU is too hot (about 10 degrees C - or 20% hotter than it should be). Moreover, those are idle temps.

If your CPU is not overclocked then there may be a problem with your CPU fan. See if your motherboard has a readout for your CPU fan speed and monitor it for 10-15 minutes. If the fan speed fluctuates widely you must replace it.

If your CPU fan is spinning at slower RPM than it is rated for – you must replace it.

Keep in mind that most motherboards have a CPU shutdown threshold temp and WILL shut down/reboot the machine (unless the option is disabled in the BIOS) if the CPU temp exceeds the threshold temp (about 85C). Since you are idling at 60C I can see your CPU going over 85C under stress.

If none of the above applies, do run Sandra and MemTest apps.

EDIT: Your CPU fan seems way too slow. I am not sure what you have there. If it is a stock fan it may be rated for that. My CPU fan, for example, blows hard at 5000 RPM and I have a HUGE copper 360 heat sink.

Reply to Slava

damn those are hot. depending on how hot my room is my cpu can idle at 30-35C and that is with a fan speed of 2700RPM or there about.

my gpu idle at anything from 45-55 depeding on how hot the room is. 55 would be the extreme though.

have you got any fan control functions in your bios. my mobo has something called Qfan which slows down my fans when temps are low. i have that off but if you do check at what temps it is activated and perhaps lower them.

i didn't think this applied to cpu ones but perhaps you should try and find if your fans draw 12volts or 5 as that can affect speed as well.

Reply to strangestranger
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Temperatures
CPU 59 °C (138 °F)

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.18 V


Those idle temps do seem warm even for a Prescott, but how hot is it in your room? I remember reading on the forums that a lot of people didn't have their LGA775 heatsinks installed properly causing the CPU to get too hot. I would review the instructions on how to install the heatsink/fan unit and re-install it. Follow the instructions to the letter. And make sure to clean off any old thermal material and replace it with new thermal material. Most people recommend Arctic Silver 5, but they all work sufficiently. Make sure to follow the directions to the letter on installing that as well.

I also noticed that your voltage seems a bit low. According to Intel the voltage should be between 1.25-1.4V. However, adding voltage will create more heat at this point.

Reply to Anoobis

I think the fan is either stuck on low or it isn't functioning properly. 1.6k doesn't seem fast enough...

I was wondering to the voltage as well, seems a lot lower, but, as mentioned, will increase temperature if we set it at default.

Wow, 60C idle at reduced voltage. Can not be good.

~Ibrahim~

Reply to ikjadoon

Alright, I'm beginning to think the problem is that the room where my PC is is just too hot right now in the midst of quad tripple digit temps with humidity indices @120. It's air conditioned, but it's still pretty damn warm. I'm going to take the computer somewhere where it is definitely not too hot.

Reply to Aaron60060

Ah yes, we have forgotten about the ambient temperature. It might be because of that. Kind of mean, though, don't you think? The computer works only in the winter, a sign that computers are getting too hot.

~Ibrahim~

Reply to ikjadoon

Well... Quake sucks memory like.... ehmm
I think that you should increase the RAM, 1GB is not enought for quake4.

Also make sure that the DVD door is open so that it refresh the content.

If your computer restart might be because of the heat and the high temperature of those summer days.

My advice is to go to the pool, or whatever... and enjoy life, because Quake4 is not that great.

If you really want to play... then play FEAR.

That's all about it.

Reply to netspiderz-net

Hehe, pool! I live a block from a lake, in LAKE county! Hehe. But yeah, I gotcha. Quake 4 was the reason I decided to buy the x1800xt; I couldnt' run it with my PCI radeon 9200 SE 128mb :P. Didn't work out too well. Fear is on my short list, but I'm going to get my system stable before I begin it.

Reply to Aaron60060

I think that FEAR runs much better than QUAKE4.

With my PC quake4 is almost impossible to play, the memory is always close to ZERO MB available. But FEAR goes well, no much problems and I still have 100 or 200 MB of free memory.

Quake4 needs only 2GB minimum to run without problems. FEAR runs great with 1GB of RAM.

You are lucky that you have the lake. I got a small pool that does not fit more than 3 people!

Reply to netspiderz-net

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Quake4 needs only 2GB minimum to run without problems.


I don't believe that's true. I ran it with only 768MB at one point, and didn't have any problems as far as stability is concerned. If you can't run Quake 4 on a 7900GT with 1GB ram, something's wrong and it's not the amount of RAM you have.

Reply to Gary_Busey

Ok, I can't run Quake4 at 1024x768 properly, the RAM goes down to ZERO.

If I play Quake4 at 800x600 is fine, but I can't play 1024x768 with only 1GB of RAM.

That's not about CPU or GPU speed is about the game that need memory and memory. I think that Quake4 sucks lot of memory. That's the only issue that I have with it.

Reply to netspiderz-net

I'm sorry, but I think you have another problem. I have a GeForce 4 Ti 4600, a card that is back 3 generations, and I can run the Quake 4 Demo at 1024x768 with ease. Yes, many details are turned down, but it is playable. And I have 1GB of RAM. Just saying...

~Ibrahim~

Reply to ikjadoon

When I play 1024x768 quake4 is not smooth. It goes to load from the hard disk because it sucks all the memory. I don't know why. I might have the texturing and other details too high.

But I hope to upgrade from 1GB (2x500MB) to 3GB (2x500MB plus 2x1GB)

I am tired to have memory problem. And with my system the memory is becoming a bottleneck that is strangle my neck!

Reply to netspiderz-net

Fair point, but I've had people with PSUs from quality manufacturers that melted their computers, and people with el cheapo PSUs that have lasted fine for years. Luck comes into it a lot, but I'd guess you don't have to be as lucky with a good brand.

Reply to labortius

Again, I do NOT think it is the memory. Are you running too many processes?

Here is a review which got stellar results with a 7900GT w/ 1GB of RAM. They had the 512MB 7900GT, though.

CPU3D

Then there is another guy at nVidia forums who is running a 256MB 7900GT and having issues. If you read along, there is another person who mentions that he has the practically the same setup also with 1GB and is running fine.

NVIDIA Forums

I'd try another stick of 1GB, it might be it, but I don't think so.

~Ibrahim~

Reply to ikjadoon

I found this, too. But with 1.1 patch of course, and softshadows off, it still looked damn good on my x800pro. Quake never seems quite as smooth, yet it's FEAR that everyone seems to complain is the resource hog.

Reply to labortius

I can't really comment...I went from 512MB to 2GB and I haven't played Quake 4. But I've played FEAR and Prey (Prey is based on the Doom 3 engine, so it has graphics similar to Quake but better...).

I agree with the general consensus, I think your RAM is not the problem, a GB is plenty good. And Quake is getting older. You must have other problems.

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