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July 31, 2006 6:15:09 PM

Hi guys,

I'm new to this forum and need opinions about some questions.

1. I want to buy a new mobo for my computer, but i don't know which brand (Gigabyte or ASUS) and don't know the chipset (Nforce 570 or 590)

2. I'm thinking of buying the following processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ 2.6GHz HT 1MB AM2 Box. I think this is a great processor or are there some opinions against this.

More to come, but first need opinions about these questions.

Greetz

Tom

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July 31, 2006 6:18:09 PM

Ok, so what's your current rig now? Are you building a new computer or what? , what's you budget? That would all help.
July 31, 2006 10:03:22 PM

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Ok, so what's your current rig now? Are you building a new computer or what? , what's you budget? That would all help.


My current system:

Gigabyte 7VAxp Pro
AMD 2600+
2x512 MB kingstone memory
Ati Radeon 9700 XT 256MB

Think this is the only things that are of real consern. I gone upgrade my computer, so somethings will be reused (not much because i cannot use my memory and graficscard again)

My budget is around the €800 (I'm dutch so no dollars:p ). I'm gone buy stuff from these sites www.sallandautomatisering.nl and www.4launch.nl (if someone needs to see the prices).

The things i want to buy new are:
Mobo
CPU
Memory
Grapicscard
HDD (raptor for OS if the budgets let me)

Think that was all.

Thanks for helping me.

Tom
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July 31, 2006 10:29:51 PM

i started looking at www.sallandautomatisering.nl ( couldn;t unberstand the other website)

something like

€ 192,99
core 2 duo e6600

€ 102,99
MSI Moederbord P965 Neo-F

Corsair TWIN2X2048-5400C4 2048 MB, PC5400, 675 MHz, 4
€ 165,95

but I can't load the webpage anymore, it's being stupid.....

I guess, probably a 7900gt (~270), and a 250gb 16 mb cache Western digital (~100).

that's about 831.

I;m not sure about the motherboard.
Also, wait, what is your power supply? You might have to upgrade taht too. I;m assuming your reusing your case?
August 1, 2006 4:29:57 AM

Suggested Changes:

Motherboard: Abit Ab9 Pro € 159,00

RAM: TWIN2X2048-6400C4 € 273,07
August 1, 2006 10:12:12 AM

First of all, the second website is indeed hard to use if you don't know dutch.

I don't like Intel processors, just give me a plain old AMD AM2 processor :) .

SO hope you can help me on this as well.

Greetz

Tom

PS. I've got a normal ATX Power supply, don't know the brand or anything else. It's around 350 ~ 400 W, so maybe a new supply is needed. My case will be reused.
August 1, 2006 5:57:04 PM

Ok first, yes teh benchies for the conroe own. I wish i was building now, but I already have a 3800x2 :-(.

To Prophecy, the I;m trying to keep this on budget, man, almost 300$ ram for minial perfomance increase isn;t gonnan cut it.

ok i think this video card would be good.

XFX Videokaart PCI-e GeForce 7900GT Extr. 256MB 2xDVI/HDTV

€ 292.00 (incl. BTW)
www.4launch.nl

For CPU, get this

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 1.86GHz FSB1066 4MB Box € 197.00 (incl. BTW) if possible, but I think it;s a preproduction sample...or something, e6300 should only ahve 2 mb. Does it say it;s in stock? I can;t read dutch.
www.4launch.nl

Otherwise jsut get
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 1.86GHz FSB1066 2MB Box € 188.00 (incl. BTW) www.4launch.nl

For ram get
Corsair TWIN2X2048-5400C4 2048 MB, PC5400, 675 MHz, 4
€ 165,95 from www.sallandautomatisering.nl

The motherboard prochy suggested shoudl be good, and for a harddrive get

Maxtor 250GB SATA300 16MB FDB, 6V250F0 if possiable for € 76.50 (incl. BTW) www.4launch.nl

that's about € 882


You could cut down the Motherboard and harddrive to bring it to around 800
August 1, 2006 6:22:26 PM

i'm going to buy the Conroe e6600 for sure. the mobo will become the ASUS p5w DH deluxe or the ASUS p5wd2-E.

For RAM i was thinking of 1 or 2 GB of OCZ. For graphics a Nvidia card.

So hope you can help me further.

Tom
August 1, 2006 7:26:04 PM

I still say go for the Abit AB9 Pro. The other options are The Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3, or the Asus P5B. However, if there is a certain feature you need that the P5W DH Deluxe has which the others I have listed don't have, then stick to the P5W board.

As a side note, the Asus P5WD2-E is not an option here. It does not support Conroe.
August 1, 2006 11:28:43 PM

is there a specific reason why you choice these mobo's? or is there a benchmark somewhere so i can see the test results of them?

Tom
August 2, 2006 1:02:18 AM

The GA-965P-DS3, AB9 Pro, and P5B are all about $100 cheaper than the P5W DH Deluxe.
August 2, 2006 9:18:32 AM

The mobo may be as expensive as the p5w DH deluxe. Is this a great mobo or isn't it. I've it is great i'm gone buy it.

Tom
August 2, 2006 4:30:55 PM

The P5W DH Deluxe is a good board, but the other 3 I suggested in my last post are just as good, for a lot less money. If you're looking to cut the cost of this build, go with one of the other 3 I suggested. If money is not an issue, go for the P5W DH board...
August 2, 2006 4:52:54 PM

great, can I have some advice from you about memory and graphicscards??

Tom
August 2, 2006 5:45:58 PM

Video Card: EVGA VGA GeForce 7900 GT KO Knockout 256 MB € 326,56 incl BTW

RAM: OCZ Memory Platinum XTC 2K 2048 MB, PC6400, 800 MHz, 4 € 258,00 incl. BTW
August 3, 2006 12:24:05 PM

Yes, those are good PSUs.

Also take a look at the Hiper Type-R 580W, and the Mushkin 550W unit. Both have dual rails and SLI support. Kingwin and Thermaltake also make good units.
August 3, 2006 12:29:11 PM

Really don't know which Graphicscard i must take, Nvidia or ATI. The mobo i will buy (P5W DH Deluxe) supports crossfire so maybe an ATI card is better?.

Tom
August 3, 2006 12:34:37 PM

Both ATI and nVidia's cards are great right now. I have a 7900GT, as does my friend, and both of use have 1680 x 1050 monitors - the 7900GT runs those displas beautifully.

If your motherboard supports Crossfire, and you don't really care what brand of card you're using, then by all means get a Radeon X1900XT, and buy a second later if you feel like it.
August 3, 2006 1:34:37 PM

Searching for a graphicscard around the €250. so the X1900XT is way to expensive.

Tom
August 3, 2006 7:36:33 PM

I'm gone buy a TFT to so i must make somethings cheaper, such as memory 1GB instead of 2 GB maybe other mobo and cheaper graphicscard.

Maybe some advice?

Tom
August 3, 2006 8:00:47 PM

Well the Abit AB9 Pro is € 157,00

EVGA VGA GeForce 7600 GT KO Knockout 256 MB € 198,00

Pick up 2 of these: Corsair CM2X 512A-6400 512 MB, PC6400, 800 MHz, 5 € 61,09

All of these prices are from http://www.sallandautomatisering.nl
August 4, 2006 4:10:38 PM

Hey,

are there any more "Cheaper" mobo's for e6600 or is it not wise to cut money on the mobo.

For the memory i'm planing to buy 1GB (2x512MB) OCZ pc6400 CL4 memory. that's the only thing i think i know for sure at the moment.

Tom
August 4, 2006 7:03:42 PM

The Asus P5B is € 135,51, but you will need to flash the BIOS before being able to use the E6600 on that board.
August 6, 2006 10:27:05 PM

Hey an update from me :) .

The budget will be around € 750 so a little bit less then before, these things i need to buy from that:

Mobo
CPU -->> e6300 or e6400 (overclocked)
Memory
GPU -->> 7600 GT or 800XT (depends on SLI or crossfire support mobo)
PSU -->> about 500W ( The following are very nice in my eyes
http://www.coolermaster-europe.com/index.php?LT=nederla... or http://www.coolermaster-europe.com/index.php?LT=nederla...)

I don't know how good you can OC the processor with the fan in the Box, so maybe an other CPU fan would be nice.

All help is appriciated.

Tom
August 6, 2006 11:18:24 PM

For more breathing room, go for the Antec Truepower 550W

Using the stock cooler, you can get about an extra 600 - 800 Mhz out of the Core 2 chips before they start getting too warm.

Avoid SLI and Crossfire, it's a complete waste of money unless you're gaming over 1600 x 1200, AND can purchase both cards within 2 months of each other. Crossfire/SLI supporting boards also cost extra.

For the Video, I say go for the 7600GT, then move to DX 10 once Vista arrives.
August 7, 2006 7:49:37 AM

hmm, This PSU is cheaper OCZ ModStream 520W and i think it's a great PSU.

Can you give me some concreet advices on products so I can look at them.

SLI/crossfire maybe worthless but I will not buy another one in a long time (i hope).

Hope you can still help me.

Tom
August 7, 2006 4:57:52 PM

The link you provided goes to the Antec TP 550W, but the OCZ Modstream 520W is a good supply as well. If it's cheaper, go for it.
August 7, 2006 8:36:08 PM

What would you buy if you could spent the money I have and needed the parts i need?

Tom
August 8, 2006 3:15:29 AM

I'd say go for the following:

Asus P5B
Core 2 Duo E6300
X800XT (for now until DX 10 arrives)
OCZ Modstream 520W or Antec TP 550W (whichever is cheaper)
Geforce 7600GT

I should note that my earlier comment about the P5B is no longer valid. It now appears that all P5B boards are being shipped with a BIOS supporting Conroe. You shouldn't need to do anything to it.
August 8, 2006 7:35:50 AM

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I'd say go for the following:

Asus P5B
Core 2 Duo E6300
X800XT (for now until DX 10 arrives)
OCZ Modstream 520W or Antec TP 550W (whichever is cheaper)
Geforce 7600GT


I like it but I really need memory and no 2 GPU's :p 

Tom
August 8, 2006 7:42:11 AM

You mean the normal version of the P5B, not the deluxe version? Still thinking of buying the P5w DH deluxe because I like the board so much.

Buth then i need a PSU which is crossfire certified, and an ATI GPU because of the same reason.

Tom
August 8, 2006 8:24:26 AM

Forget Crossfire dude.... ]just forget about it. It's a waste of money. If you were to get the P5W DH Deluxe, you don't need a Corssfire certified PSU (if there is such a thing.... the only multi-GPU certification i've heard of is SLI). The only way you would need a Crossfire certified PSU is if you were to actually set up a Crossfire configuration. And even then you don't NEED the Crossfire certification..... it's nothing more than a label and a price hike. Any 500W supply or higher would do fine. Even the OCZ Modstream supply would work.

And just because you have a Crossfire certified PSU does not mean you HAVE to get an ATI video card. The supply won't detect that it's giving power to an Nvidia card and shut itself off...... they don't do that.

On another note, Yes, I was refering to the regular Asus P5B. If I was refering to the P5B Deluxe, I would have said in my last post "Asus P5B Deluxe" I'm very specific and picky about things like that to avoid as much confusion as possible.

Between the X800XT and the Geforce 7600GT (which recommending both was a mistake on my part, I was slightly distracted while making that post) I would say take your pick. If you prefer ATI, go for the X800 card, if you're an Nvidia fan, go for the 7600. Also consider what fits into your budget. Both are good cards from which to make the jump to DX 10.

For the RAM, I would go for 2GB (unless it won't fit your budget) You can get away with using CAS 5 ram since this is an Intel system you're building. Either OCZ or Corsair are good brands, again find what fits within your budget. Here is my pick for your RAM.
August 8, 2006 12:45:18 PM

Think i will go for the deluxe version of the P5B. Is the same board with something extra.

Another question from my side, i've read somewhere that the 965 chipset was not as good as the 975x chipset. Is this true or is this bullsh*t.

Tom
August 8, 2006 9:41:00 PM

The biggest apparent difference between 965 and 975 is the overclocking ability. The 975 is apparently much better. There are a few exceptions though, like the Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3. If you're not planning on overclocking by more than 800Mhz, I wouldn't worry about it.
August 9, 2006 7:40:46 AM

All the 975x Chipsets have SLI/crossfire or am i wrong here? I'm planning to overclock buth it's my first time and don't know how far I gone overclock.

Tom
August 9, 2006 8:32:15 AM

If you're not going up by any more than 600Mhz, get a 965 based board. If you want to go higher, grab a 975X. I believe all of the 975X boards support Crossfire, but i'm not 100% positive about that. Crossfire is a waste of money though, unless you are going to game as resolutions over 1600 x 1200, AND you can get both cards within 2 months of each other.
August 9, 2006 8:55:15 AM

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If you're not going up by any more than 600Mhz, get a 965 based board. If you want to go higher, grab a 975X. I believe all of the 975X boards support Crossfire, but i'm not 100% positive about that. Crossfire is a waste of money though, unless you are going to game as resolutions over 1600 x 1200, AND you can get both cards within 2 months of each other.


I won't gone use crossfire now, maybe when we reach DX10. I want to overclock the CPU as mentioned in the following review: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=280...

Tom
August 9, 2006 3:27:18 PM

I now know my budget for sure, it's €800 (not more)

Tom
August 9, 2006 7:33:27 PM

i've readed on Anandtech that the i965 chipset isn't as good in OC and has lower preformances then the 975x chipset. I really don't know if this is true or if you only encounter it if you're a hardcore gamer (i'm not) or if you are an extreme OC'er (i'm not).

Please some help.

Tom
August 9, 2006 8:06:52 PM

Nevermind the last post, i will go with the 965 chipset. I would like to have the following hardware:

Asus P5B Deluxe iP965, SATA2 RAID, WLAN, GLAN €189.50
Cooler Master Powersupply Realpower 550W SLI €102.50
Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 2.13GHz FSB1066 2MB Box €227.50
OCZ 2x1GB DDR2 SDRAM PC6400 CL4.0 Plat. XTC €232.00

Total: 751.50

The hardware above is all from www.4launch.nl, this because i can get there by car. A GPU is needed, so need help to slim down this to €800.

Tom
August 9, 2006 11:11:22 PM

Like I keep saying Tom, drop to the E6300 for € 190.50 and save yourself the money. Also switch to the OCZ Modstream 450W for € 79.00. Then swap the RAM for OCZ 2x1GB DDR2 SDRAM PC6400 CL5.0 Ops XTC €217.50

After these changes, we are left with € 123.50 to work with.

For the video card, I would go for the Radeon X1600Pro OC 256MB DDR3 DVI/TV € 115.50
August 10, 2006 2:41:56 PM

I've seen that the OCZ memory operates on 2.0V is this a problem with the P5B mobo.

Tom
August 10, 2006 6:27:18 PM

I am fairly sure the P5B supports a memory voltage of 2.0. If the BIOS is set to a lower voltage by default, you should still be able to get into the BIOS and raise the voltage. It may take a few tries though.
August 10, 2006 8:24:15 PM

is the following ram good or don't you know it.
http://www.gskill.com/en/f2-6400phu2-zx.html

I'm searching for ram that's direct available and 4x 512 are to much for my budget.

Tom

EDIT: i've bought the memory so Budget = 800 - 247.95 = € 552.05
August 10, 2006 10:40:55 PM

There is no Mobo in your reply :( 

Tom
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