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$850 AMD System - Finalized - $859.94 - $1150

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August 1, 2006 2:01:10 AM

CPU - AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor 2000MHz HT 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Dual Core Processor - Retail - $159.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

MOBO - Gigabyte GA-M55SLI-S4 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail - $96.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

RAM - G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail - $161.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

Video Card - eVGA 256-P2-N583-AR Geforce 7900GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail - $269.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Hardrive - Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM - $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

Case/PSU - ASPIRE X-Navigator ATXA9NW-AL/500 Black/Silver Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply - Retail - $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

What do you think of this setup? Is this a good system that is fairly upgradable in the future? Like if I wanted to get a X2 4800, or even a FX62 when the prices go really down. Or even SLI. Are all of these compatible? Would I be able to run modern games at fairly high settings, do some animations, 3D work, intensive multitasking... and not slow down?

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*Update*
Well, thanks for all the input guys. I finally decided on this:

CPU - AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor 2000MHz HT 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Dual Core Processor - Retail - $159.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

MOBO - MSI K9N Platinum Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail - $108.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

RAM - G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail - $161.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

Video Card - eVGA 256-P2-N583-AR Geforce 7900GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail - $269.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Hardrive - Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM - $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

Case - Xoxide X-Static 2 Case - Silver - $29.99
http://www.xoxide.com/x-static-2-silver.html

PSU - COOLMAX CP-500T EPS12V 500W Active PFC Power Supply 100 - 240V - Retail - $49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

With that, it comes down to $859.94, no tax/shipping included. Shipping will push the price to $883.2, and I dont know how much tax there will be. Im assuming the final price will be roughly less than $950. Add in a $100 monitor (CRT), a DVD RW drive ($40?) and mouse/keyboard ($20).... I believe this will cost a total of $1150. Good price for a totally new computer thats upgradable in the future? Any final words/comments before I order?
August 1, 2006 2:10:56 AM

That's the best setup for $850.
It is somewaht futureproof.. but speaking of future proof....
noone knows whats gon happen in the future.
so lets just say it'll last you a long time...
August 1, 2006 3:11:09 AM

nice setup for under 850, i find that as a bargain. Mind if my friend borrows that list? lol. Like k- said, nothings futureproof, but should last 2-3 years.
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August 1, 2006 3:52:38 AM

Thanks for the replies. I have a question though. Is it wise to SLI? Or should I just get a mobo that doesnt support SLI and hopefully save some money. Is getting a Ram with cas 4 over a cas 5 really worth it? Or will it show little difference for the things Im doing? So getting these 2 instead:

ASUS M2V Socket AM2 VIA K8T890 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$82.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail - $189.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

and in the future, just get a better single Vid Card

OR

Stick with this build, have the SLI feature to be in the safe side (and I believe the Gigabyte is overall a better board, right?) and just upgrade the Ram later to a 4 cas if I really need it. Sticking with this build is just under $860 (around 855) but will probably be more expensive later *however I think its safer if its good enough for what Im asking for. The other choice will be more expensive (nearing the $900 mark) but it *might be cheaper later on. What do you guys think? Spend a little more money and hope SLI wont be necessary and getting a 4 cas now, OR just stick with what I have setup and hope the 5 cas is good enough for what I want to use it for (and have SLI possibility).
August 1, 2006 4:56:58 AM

for the price and what you want to do you are fine. Maybe look into overclocking if you want to make it even more "futureproof." Most games are not too processor intensive anymore its all about graphics so id say you are good to go for at least 2-3 years.
August 1, 2006 5:03:34 AM

I got 2 gigs of cas 5 corsair ram for $160 and run it at cas 4 so I wouldn't spend a bunch of extra money for the lower timings. I'd stick with that set up. My friend built a system(except 939) just like that in april and spent $1150 on it. Keep the SLI board and a year from now when those 7900's are half of what they are now throw a second one in.
August 1, 2006 5:15:41 AM

Thanks for the input. Now I feel more confident about the current setup. Hopes for the best. Now all I need to do is find me a good new $150 19inch CRT (or ill stick with just a 17 inch for like $80-$100), plus a nice $50 or less DVD RW drive, Ill have this baby set at around $1,000. Anyone knows where I can get a new monitor for those prices or cheaper? (I know you can get them for so cheap, like the refurbished ones, but I prefer them to be new so I can have a geniune brand new system)
August 1, 2006 5:39:25 AM

I didn't know they still made CRT's. You can get a LCD in that size now for $200. The last DVD RW drive I got was a BenQ from newegg and I think it was about $35 with shipping. It burns every peice of media I've put in it and does a full DVD in about 6 mins.
August 1, 2006 5:58:55 AM

Quote:
CPU - AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor 2000MHz HT 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Dual Core Processor - Retail - $159.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

MOBO - Gigabyte GA-M55SLI-S4 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail - $96.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

RAM - G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail - $161.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

Video Card - eVGA 256-P2-N583-AR Geforce 7900GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail - $269.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Hardrive - Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM - $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

Case/PSU - ASPIRE X-Navigator ATXA9NW-AL/500 Black/Silver Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply - Retail - $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

What do you think of this setup? Is this a good system that is fairly upgradable in the future? Like if I wanted to get a X2 4800, or even a FX62 when the prices go really down. Or even SLI. Are all of these compatible? Would I be able to run modern games at fairly high settings, do some animations, 3D work, intensive multitasking... and not slow down?


I would go with this except for 2 changes. Get a cheaper video card now, one that can get you through until DX10 comes out. Use the money you save on the card to get a better cpu. Start saving now to get a new dx10 card down the road when they come out.
August 1, 2006 6:24:26 AM

Nice set up. Might go with that case wiith all the fans and PSU. Would I be fine with that PSU in a simiirare set up non SLI?
August 1, 2006 6:38:30 AM

might want to tack on a heatsink/fan there...
August 1, 2006 7:40:06 AM

I'd go with the original setup that you had in mind. The ASUS M2V Socket AM2 board is based on a VIA chipset, and VIA is dying so you might not be able to get much drivers or support if something goes wrong in the future.

The original setup is amazing for under $850. Congrats on that.

Peace
August 1, 2006 12:12:30 PM

If SLI isn't a must you might want to look at some the Nvidia 500 boards. Has some cool fetures for speeding up internet speed if you do a lot of online gaming. I'm thinking of going with MSI's K9N board myself.
August 1, 2006 2:43:02 PM

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I didn't know they still made CRT's. You can get a LCD in that size now for $200. The last DVD RW drive I got was a BenQ from newegg and I think it was about $35 with shipping. It burns every peice of media I've put in it and does a full DVD in about 6 mins.


I would go with LCD, seems to be the big thing nowadays. Apparently this monitor has gotten good results, and the price is phenominal.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
August 1, 2006 2:57:51 PM

Agreed. Aspire's cases are not too, but their PSU's suck. Hard.

Go with an Antec case and PSU combo for the best value.

And I also agree with an nForce5xx series chipset. The Asus M2N-E is a good nF570 board without SLI. It's the board I picked out minus SLI. Very stable.

And the 7900GT is a good card, wait until the KO edition from eVGA is back in stock. It has a quiet cooler, and eVGA's warranty lets you overclock the card without voiding the warranty. Jim dandy if you ask me.
August 1, 2006 3:10:51 PM

I have the MSI K9N motherboard and it has a few problems. First it wouldn't recognize my patriot ddr2-800 ram so it wouldn't boot. So I had to buy some cheapo 533 from Bestbuy and update the bios and then the ram would work.

I've since installed windows and when I try to make an image of my harddrive with Ghost 2003 it crashes at the beginning after making a virtual harddrive and it won't boot back into windows because of that virtual partition. So I've reinstalled windows about 20 times to try to get it to ghost but now luck.

I don't know if it is the motherboard at fault or if it is just the new chipset from Nvidia that is the culprit. I've just gotten tired of dealing with it and so I've given up trying to ghost, otherwise the motherboard works just as it should.
August 1, 2006 3:19:17 PM

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CPU - AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor 2000MHz HT 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Dual Core Processor - Retail - $159.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

MOBO - Gigabyte GA-M55SLI-S4 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail - $96.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

RAM - G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail - $161.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

Video Card - eVGA 256-P2-N583-AR Geforce 7900GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail - $269.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Hardrive - Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM - $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

Case/PSU - ASPIRE X-Navigator ATXA9NW-AL/500 Black/Silver Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply - Retail - $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

What do you think of this setup? Is this a good system that is fairly upgradable in the future? Like if I wanted to get a X2 4800, or even a FX62 when the prices go really down. Or even SLI. Are all of these compatible? Would I be able to run modern games at fairly high settings, do some animations, 3D work, intensive multitasking... and not slow down?

Your CPU is a bad choice as it seams your making a low cost gamming system. If your not making a gamming system then its a good build. For a gamming system short term you would be better off with a cheap 64 3800+ single core due to most all games are none multithreaded. The 64 3800+ will give you the gamming performance of the X2 4600+ at a $45 savings over the X2 3800+.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Later when you more likly change to a K8L CPU you'll have $45 extra for that purchase and I hope this helps in your final system build.
August 1, 2006 3:24:09 PM

I agree, I got a 3800+ single and it very fast for gaming at 2.4ghz. Although I just ordered a 3800 x2:)  because I want to multi task at video encoding and playing games. You can always OC the x2 from 2ghz to 2.4. I would not get that video card and wait for the dx10. Newegg has open box 7900gt for like 200. GL~!
August 1, 2006 3:32:46 PM

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Your CPU is a bad choice as it seams your making a low cost gamming system. If your not making a gamming system then its a good build. For a gamming system short term you would be better off with a cheap 64 3800+ single core due to most all games are none multithreaded. The 64 3800+ will give you the gamming performance of the X2 4600+ at a $45 savings over the X2 3800+.


I agree.
August 1, 2006 3:51:18 PM

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I agree, I got a 3800+ single and it very fast for gaming at 2.4ghz. Although I just ordered a 3800 x2:)  because I want to multi task at video encoding and playing games. You can always OC the x2 from 2ghz to 2.4. I would not get that video card and wait for the dx10. Newegg has open box 7900gt for like 200. GL~!

The 7900gt has a good price so unless you could find a good 7600gt for under $170 I would stick with the 7900gt. Nvidia's load balancing isn't as CPU intensive as ATI's so mostly the 7900gt will limit the performance in games. Upgrading to a DX10 card would be better than upgrading the CPU from the X2 3800+ to the X2 4600+.

The OC'ers would be better off going with a 64 3000+ as in gamming you could only come even with the performance of cheaper 64 3800+.

Your DX10 suggestion is important as emulation for DX9 cards will die under the new DX10 API design as its not simply a few addon but a complete reprogramming. The DX10 upgrade is more needed than the CPU's as tekzor is totally correct but if that upgrade is the summer of next year then stick to the 7900gt and toss the CPU upgrade.
August 1, 2006 3:54:48 PM

Right. DirectX 9 was built on the previous version, so there really wasn't too much difference. It was noticeable, but nothing all that earth-shattering. Since DirectX 10 is a completely new writeup, it's going to incorporate a lot more, so make sure you get one if you want to play DirectX 10 games.

I'll be buying one next year, wallet conceding.
August 1, 2006 3:56:23 PM

I have the 7900gt and the single core 3800+ and it runs all of my games good, accept oblivion.... would I see a performance difference if I switched from ddr2 533 to ddr2 667?
August 1, 2006 3:58:40 PM

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I have the 7900gt and the single core 3800+ and it runs all of my games good, accept oblivion.... would I see a performance difference if I switched from ddr2 533 to ddr2 667?


Being on AM2 DDR2-800 CAS 4 is a MUST (I know single cores can only use 667 memory, but its good to have the proper memory for that 65nm CPU upgrade in December).

You need 2GB of RAM too. Speed of RAM probably won't cause that problem, but you are not getting the best experience you can with 533 RAM.
August 1, 2006 3:58:40 PM

Maybe. If you went to low-latency DDR2-800, you'd see the biggest improvement. AMD is very sensitive to Cas latency, the lower the better.
August 1, 2006 4:03:29 PM

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I have the 7900gt and the single core 3800+ and it runs all of my games good, accept oblivion.... would I see a performance difference if I switched from ddr2 533 to ddr2 667?

No, you would see a difference if you OC'ed a FX-57 to 3.8Ghz, the CPU is the limiting factor in this case but no X2 upgrade or memory will change your performance. I did see a single core OC'ed opty getting like 80FPS but once games do come out multithreaded this will end the cheap single core CPU's life.
August 1, 2006 4:48:14 PM

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Thanks for the replies. I have a question though. Is it wise to SLI? Or should I just get a mobo that doesnt support SLI and hopefully save some money. Is getting a Ram with cas 4 over a cas 5 really worth it? Or will it show little difference for the things Im doing? So getting these 2 instead:

ASUS M2V Socket AM2 VIA K8T890 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$82.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail - $189.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

and in the future, just get a better single Vid Card

OR

Stick with this build, have the SLI feature to be in the safe side (and I believe the Gigabyte is overall a better board, right?) and just upgrade the Ram later to a 4 cas if I really need it. Sticking with this build is just under $860 (around 855) but will probably be more expensive later *however I think its safer if its good enough for what Im asking for. The other choice will be more expensive (nearing the $900 mark) but it *might be cheaper later on. What do you guys think? Spend a little more money and hope SLI wont be necessary and getting a 4 cas now, OR just stick with what I have setup and hope the 5 cas is good enough for what I want to use it for (and have SLI possibility).


SlI is not worth it unless you want to go ultra high end.

And yes, with an AMD system the CAS4 ram is definetly worth it.
August 1, 2006 6:05:45 PM

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Your DX10 suggestion is important as emulation for DX9 cards will die under the new DX10 API design as its not simply a few addon but a complete reprogramming. The DX10 upgrade is more needed than the CPU's as tekzor is totally correct but if that upgrade is the summer of next year then stick to the 7900gt and toss the CPU upgrade.


True that will eventually happen but I'd think it'd be a good 2-3 years b4 they completly cut DX9 support. Not profitable cutting out a large section of consummers who haven't upgraded yet. I plan on waiting for at least the 2nd gen DX10 cards for the bugs to be worked out.
August 1, 2006 6:21:19 PM

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Your DX10 suggestion is important as emulation for DX9 cards will die under the new DX10 API design as its not simply a few addon but a complete reprogramming. The DX10 upgrade is more needed than the CPU's as tekzor is totally correct but if that upgrade is the summer of next year then stick to the 7900gt and toss the CPU upgrade.


True that will eventually happen but I'd think it'd be a good 2-3 years b4 they completly cut DX9 support. Not profitable cutting out a large section of consummers who haven't upgraded yet. I plan on waiting for at least the 2nd gen DX10 cards for the bugs to be worked out.

That's what im doing too.
August 1, 2006 7:39:49 PM

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Your DX10 suggestion is important as emulation for DX9 cards will die under the new DX10 API design as its not simply a few addon but a complete reprogramming. The DX10 upgrade is more needed than the CPU's as tekzor is totally correct but if that upgrade is the summer of next year then stick to the 7900gt and toss the CPU upgrade.


True that will eventually happen but I'd think it'd be a good 2-3 years b4 they completly cut DX9 support. Not profitable cutting out a large section of consummers who haven't upgraded yet. I plan on waiting for at least the 2nd gen DX10 cards for the bugs to be worked out.
Of course thats to consider if the GPU makers were in full charge of the API but Microsoft has its claws and Vista on the new API. Nvidia has little say in the matter as they can give no suggestions to the DX team for getting caught changing the DX9 code.

The otherside is the fact the GPU makers will have a new unmatched product to their old GPU's which makes buying increase. The GPU makers will emulate to the best of their ability the DX10 functions into DX9 cards but with all new code changes its going to cripple DX9 GPU's. 2-3 years on a crippled DX9 GPU wouldn't be fun and you'll always have the choice of staying with XP as its may not support DX10.
August 1, 2006 9:23:37 PM

Ok, first off, I wanna make this clear. This is not necessarily a gaming PC. I will also do animations, video editing and some 3d renderings. Therefore, I believe dual core is a must.

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might want to tack on a heatsink/fan there...


Huh? Its not included?

Anyways, I think Ill just go with a non-SLI board. Whats a good board thats better than the board I put there (the SLI Gigabyte board) and has the same price range?

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I would go with LCD, seems to be the big thing nowadays.


I really dont mind a CRT, hopefully I can find a cheap 19 inch soon... dont really wanna spend almost $200 on the monitor anyways.

About the DX10/Vista. I dont think Ill be switching to it for a long time if its not really a must. If I have to, then I will, but I will stick with the 7900. Forget the SLI idea, amd ill just go with a better nonSLI board. No harm in that, I think... Also, the Ram is overclockable to cas 4, right?

And lastly, I read some reviews about the PSU in the case, and there were a handful of bad ones :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
So, if this is true... I found a good case alternative:
http://www.xoxide.com/x-static-2-silver.html - $29.99
Is this a good case? I like the design, and look at the price :wink:
As for the PSU, whats a good one? Are these any good?:
XCLIO GOODPOWER 500W ATX 500W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, CUL, TUV, CB, VDE, FIMKO, DEMKO, NEMKO, SEMKO - Retail - $48.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

OR

COOLMAX CP-500T EPS12V 500W Active PFC Power Supply 100 - 240V - Retail - $49.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

OR

HIPRO HP-P500W/TOP-500P5 ATX V2.01 500W Power Supply 115/230 V - OEM - $36.50

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

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Later when you more likly change to a K8L CPU you'll have $45 extra for that purchase and I hope this helps in your final system build.

Sorry to ask, but what is the K8L? Are there mobos that would support it and is in my price range?
August 1, 2006 9:55:54 PM

As far a monitor yeah there is nothing wrong with a CRT (other than its size/weight) a "cheap" CRT will pretty much always beat out a "cheap" LCD for gaming and watching movies as of right now. If you don't mind the size/weight then a CRT will for the most part have a great picture image. With that being said the best bet would probably be to walk into your local retailer around your city and check out the sales.

Since evey one is going LCD now you can probably find your self a good deal as retailers are trying to get rid of them. I mean just from a space stand point a 17inch CRT probably takes up twice the space so that means a store can only carry half as many of those items. Also a CRT seems to weigh about 2x-3x as much as the same viewing size of a monitor so I'm sure shipping cost would be more for a truck will with CRT vs with flat screens. Which is another reason why store would be trying to get rid of there stock.
August 1, 2006 10:24:10 PM

Don't even bother thinking about K8L, it's still at least a 1 year and 4 months away. By that time AM3 will be out so there's no point thinking about K8L at the moment, no matter what the AMD fanboys tell you.

It does look quite promising though.
August 1, 2006 10:58:39 PM

Ok, can someone help me choose a motherboard?
MSI K9N Platinum Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail 108.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

ASUS M2N-E Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail 96.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

ABIT KN9S Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 550 MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail - 99.50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

ABIT KN9 ULTRA Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail - 114.95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

If there are better choices, please tell me. Which board should I go with and is it better than the prior board:
Gigabyte GA-M55SLI-S4 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail 96.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

and which one is the safest to get (I read the reviews, and a handful of them are bad....).
August 1, 2006 11:11:53 PM

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Ok, first off, I wanna make this clear. This is not necessarily a gaming PC. I will also do animations, video editing and some 3d renderings. Therefore, I believe dual core is a must.

might want to tack on a heatsink/fan there...


Huh? Its not included?

Anyways, I think Ill just go with a non-SLI board. Whats a good board thats better than the board I put there (the SLI Gigabyte board) and has the same price range?

Quote:
I would go with LCD, seems to be the big thing nowadays.


I really dont mind a CRT, hopefully I can find a cheap 19 inch soon... dont really wanna spend almost $200 on the monitor anyways.

About the DX10/Vista. I dont think Ill be switching to it for a long time if its not really a must. If I have to, then I will, but I will stick with the 7900. Forget the SLI idea, amd ill just go with a better nonSLI board. No harm in that, I think... Also, the Ram is overclockable to cas 4, right?

And lastly, I read some reviews about the PSU in the case, and there were a handful of bad ones :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
So, if this is true... I found a good case alternative:
http://www.xoxide.com/x-static-2-silver.html - $29.99
Is this a good case? I like the design, and look at the price :wink:
As for the PSU, whats a good one? Are these any good?:
XCLIO GOODPOWER 500W ATX 500W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, CUL, TUV, CB, VDE, FIMKO, DEMKO, NEMKO, SEMKO - Retail - $48.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

OR

COOLMAX CP-500T EPS12V 500W Active PFC Power Supply 100 - 240V - Retail - $49.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

OR

HIPRO HP-P500W/TOP-500P5 ATX V2.01 500W Power Supply 115/230 V - OEM - $36.50

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

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Later when you more likly change to a K8L CPU you'll have $45 extra for that purchase and I hope this helps in your final system build.

Sorry to ask, but what is the K8L? Are there mobos that would support it and is in my price range?
O, I see your going to use gelato for video editing and 3d renderings. I have to tell you the HD is very important in video editing. You may want a dedication HD to write your video to as it will slow the CPU if your boot HD is being used for other operations.
August 1, 2006 11:17:19 PM

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Ok, can someone help me choose a motherboard?
MSI K9N Platinum Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail 108.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

ASUS M2N-E Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail 96.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

ABIT KN9S Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 550 MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail - 99.50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

ABIT KN9 ULTRA Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail - 114.95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

If there are better choices, please tell me. Which board should I go with and is it better than the prior board:
Gigabyte GA-M55SLI-S4 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail 96.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

and which one is the safest to get (I read the reviews, and a handful of them are bad....).

Anyone of the nforce 570 should do fine but my pick would be the MSI or ASUS.
August 1, 2006 11:46:33 PM

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O, I see your going to use gelato for video editing and 3d renderings. I have to tell you the HD is very important in video editing. You may want a dedication HD to write your video to as it will slow the CPU if your boot HD is being used for other operations.


That would be a great upgrade to do in the future, but for now I just need the standards (this is a $850 setup....what do you expect?)

I decided to go with the MSI K9N Platinum Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail 108.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

This board is better than the original one, right? What benefits would I get from it compared to the other board? Ill post a finalized version of the setup, then off to ordering :wink:

BTW, I still dont know what PSU to go for...
August 2, 2006 12:21:25 AM

good, but make sure that ram is not "intel based platforms only" and id change the video card for either an x1800xt 256mb or x1800gto2 512mb, both are cheaper, and supposably u can overclock the x1800gto2 to x1800xt speeds, the x1800xt costs $235 on newegg.com and the x1800gto2 costs $225 after rebate, with that money saved u may get an x2 4200 instead, and maybe look into getting an ANTEC PSU, or if u wanna get a cheaper one thats also good theres Sparkle and FPS (both are essentialy the same brands) theres also an Xclio one that is very well rated
August 2, 2006 3:06:04 AM

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O, I see your going to use gelato for video editing and 3d renderings. I have to tell you the HD is very important in video editing. You may want a dedication HD to write your video to as it will slow the CPU if your boot HD is being used for other operations.


That would be a great upgrade to do in the future, but for now I just need the standards (this is a $850 setup....what do you expect?)

I decided to go with the MSI K9N Platinum Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail 108.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

This board is better than the original one, right? What benefits would I get from it compared to the other board? Ill post a finalized version of the setup, then off to ordering :wink:

BTW, I still dont know what PSU to go for...
The 570 ultra handles large data volumes such as digital media better with advanced HD out of order fetching and the 570 ultra's NVIDIA FirstPacket technology reduced ping times for better online gamming. The 570 has 2 additional SATA and RAID 5 over the 550 and older nforce chipsets. The future of fast storage is on SSD and 1 SATA isnt enough so you will be seeing SSD RAID. Thats 2 SATA connectors down. Optical drives are moving to SATA so your going to need 2 there. Thats 4 without the HD's added and the 550 only has 4 SATA connectors.

This mobo wasn't in your choices but may hold the best options.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
August 2, 2006 3:39:29 AM

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The 570 ultra handles large data volumes such as digital media better with advanced HD out of order fetching and the 570 ultra's NVIDIA FirstPacket technology reduced ping times for better online gamming. The 570 has 2 additional SATA and RAID 5 over the 550 and older nforce chipsets. The future of fast storage is on SSD and 1 SATA isnt enough so you will be seeing SSD RAID. Thats 2 SATA connectors down. Optical drives are moving to SATA so your going to need 2 there. Thats 4 without the HD's added and the 550 only has 4 SATA connectors.

This mobo wasn't in your choices but may hold the best options.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...


Umm, isnt the MSI K9N Platinum Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail 108.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
come with 6 SATAs? Thats 2 more for drives... it is a 570... im confused.
August 2, 2006 3:47:04 AM

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The 570 ultra handles large data volumes such as digital media better with advanced HD out of order fetching and the 570 ultra's NVIDIA FirstPacket technology reduced ping times for better online gamming. The 570 has 2 additional SATA and RAID 5 over the 550 and older nforce chipsets. The future of fast storage is on SSD and 1 SATA isnt enough so you will be seeing SSD RAID. Thats 2 SATA connectors down. Optical drives are moving to SATA so your going to need 2 there. Thats 4 without the HD's added and the 550 only has 4 SATA connectors.

This mobo wasn't in your choices but may hold the best options.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...


Umm, isnt the MSI K9N Platinum Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail 108.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
come with 6 SATAs? Thats 2 more for drives... it is a 570... im confused.
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This board is better than the original one, right? What benefits would I get from it compared to the other board? Ill post a finalized version of the setup, then off to ordering Wink

You asked this which I was replying to as for the 2 I linked they have the 570 with 16MB of RAM expandability. The ones you linked only had 8MB or RAM expandabiliy. The big question between the 2 I link is do you want 3rd PCI or 3rd PCIE-1X slots.
August 2, 2006 4:02:05 AM

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You asked this which I was replying to as for the 2 I linked they have the 570 with 16MB of RAM expandability. The ones you linked only had 8MB or RAM expandabiliy. The big question between the 2 I link is do you want 3rd PCI or 3rd PCIE-1X slots.

oh, sorry didnt realize that.
16Gb of ram... err i dont even think Id reach 8 Gb... does it really matter? (unless its not the kind of ram Im thinking of...)

besides, its really going into the limit of the money. I origally wanted it to be around 850, but now if I get either of those boards u linked, its +$30, thats 880.... I still need to worry about the other costs. Id like to keep the "entire" thing to a price of 1150 or below.
August 2, 2006 4:17:43 AM

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You asked this which I was replying to as for the 2 I linked they have the 570 with 16MB of RAM expandability. The ones you linked only had 8MB or RAM expandabiliy. The big question between the 2 I link is do you want 3rd PCI or 3rd PCIE-1X slots.

oh, sorry didnt realize that.
16Gb of ram... err i dont even think Id reach 8 Gb... does it really matter? (unless its not the kind of ram Im thinking of...)

besides, its really going into the limit of the money. I origally wanted it to be around 850, but now if I get either of those boards u linked, its +$30, thats 880.... I still need to worry about the other costs. Id like to keep the "entire" thing to a price of 1150 or below.
Limited money, I know the felling, and it sucks. The MSI mobo will make a nice system but if prices change before you order, keep the 2 I linked in mind.
August 2, 2006 4:36:07 AM

Another difference between the MSI board and ASUS is IEE support. That's why I'm going with the MSI. I don't get why ASUS went without IEE for the non SLI board.
August 2, 2006 7:39:22 AM

I am a MSI fanboy. umm well I wouldn't say MSI is the best mind you(i don't know what is?), but I have built several msi nforce computers and their price, performance, and stability is quite good IMO.
August 3, 2006 2:37:49 AM

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I am a MSI fanboy. umm well I wouldn't say MSI is the best mind you(i don't know what is?), but I have built several msi nforce computers and their price, performance, and stability is quite good IMO.

Your total correct MSI is a great mobo maker but I try to pick the best, MSI being one, and then compare their differances. I like 16Gb of RAM expandibility not only for the fact it can hold 16Gb's but having a choice of 1, 2, 4, or even 8Gb packages 2 or 3 years down the road is value. If MSI had a 16Gb mobo with the 570 nvidia chipset I would have suggested it also.

If theres a massive upturn on RAM which I hope come due to the FTC stepping in on RAMBUS an 8Gb mobo may have a short life span. But in the case of dragoon38900 the price was to high and I understand that as most do. I just hope it give dragoon38900 the life span he or she needs.
August 3, 2006 7:42:01 AM

dude, seriously.... I don't think I can name one person (oh yeah, I call EVERYONE) who has used 2 gigs of ram. To use 1 gig of ram is a big accomplishment for me, still don't think I've done that yet...


do tell what you've done to get 2 gigs, just for s & g
August 3, 2006 1:35:11 PM

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dude, seriously.... I don't think I can name one person (oh yeah, I call EVERYONE) who has used 2 gigs of ram. To use 1 gig of ram is a big accomplishment for me, still don't think I've done that yet...


do tell what you've done to get 2 gigs, just for s & g

I see well by next year you should or will have too as game will pretty much require 2Gb or RAM. Currently even cheap $500 systems have 1Gb and by next year it'll go to 2Gb's. 8Gb's of RAM want be needed for about 3 years but its good to have the expandability potential.
August 3, 2006 6:16:10 PM

Your crystal ball is hazy from all that pot smoke(mine too). I am sensing some kind of plateau in game engine wise.

Instead of system memory I believe the first to go up will be gpu memory with the bigger and bigger maps. Take for instance some of the huge custom maps of hl2dm, run every texture on high, get 32-64 goons in there and see the difference in gpu memory. I bet the 7900 card w/ 256 mb will start choking. I am going to buy this system w/ a few options of my own, just wondering if spending 200 dollars more on a gpu w/ 512 mb will be worth it for the BIG maps.
August 3, 2006 9:36:37 PM

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Your crystal ball is hazy from all that pot smoke(mine too). I am sensing some kind of plateau in game engine wise.

Instead of system memory I believe the first to go up will be gpu memory with the bigger and bigger maps. Take for instance some of the huge custom maps of hl2dm, run every texture on high, get 32-64 goons in there and see the difference in gpu memory. I bet the 7900 card w/ 256 mb will start choking. I am going to buy this system w/ a few options of my own, just wondering if spending 200 dollars more on a gpu w/ 512 mb will be worth it for the BIG maps.


GPU memory is important but its much cheaper to buy a new GPU that change a mobo. A new mobo most of the time means new RAM with almost no increased performance for the older programs. New mobo's cost other things such as slots may be replaced, as the case of the ISA slot, as we may see the PCI slots go to all PCIE-1X. This can be very expensive as PCI sound cards, Phyx cards, PCI SSD cards, and many others will have to be replaced with new PCIE-1X cards.

The 512Mb GPU's are the costly ones and with DX10 right around the bend I would suggest waiting. The G80 release time line is september to october and should have mid range GPU's as fast as the FX7900. AMD is promising new CPU under their new design by December and if your like Intel they should have the X7900 3.33Ghz out in about 3 months. The tech industry is in a price and performance war and those who wait till the end get a much longer life span out of their new PC.

The gamming engine isnt about to plateau as crysis will need every high tech device you can throw at it but it'll need more. I've read review on crysis and it sound like they done what 3drealm was trying to get the prey engine to do over 10 years ago. The prey engine was over 5 years in production and ended due to impossible performance problems with then current technology. Crysis isnt as much a GPU limited game as old first person shooters as it is CPU limited.

I wish I had a crystal ball mine got broke back in my teen age years. Now I just look at the average time to market in the GPU line as comming late to market will cost them lower stock prices. Its also important to note when GPU makers start up a new processing cycle then add about 2 or 3 months. Estimating time to market isnt really that hard as tech analysts do it all the time.
August 4, 2006 7:45:00 AM

holy crap, just looked at those pictures of crysis. I can't begin to imagine any technology unit capable of such rendering and I have a big imagination, has a long loading time... fps count for this game over 11 in this market right now methinks not. Back to the subject, for me, I found my favorite game of all time, HL2DM, and I am going to buy an ATI card w/ 512 mb instead of the nvidia, cheaper than buying a 7900 w/ 512(someone find me a 7900 w/ 512 cheaper than x1800 w/ 512)

My ATI pick would be
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
any comments?
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