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August 1, 2006 2:22:54 AM

Hi...um i just got a XFX 7900GT and was wondering if my stock 3500 @ 2.2 would be bottlenecking it....thanx in advance
August 1, 2006 3:22:21 AM

i think that is way too broad of a question.. it would completely depend on what game/app you are running. if the game could utlize a core 2 duo to the max, then youd have a bottleneck, but if the game only needs a athlon xp to work then no..
August 1, 2006 3:27:09 AM

so then GRAW, FEAR, NFS:most wanted they would benefit from some OCing?
also possibly help my 3dmark scores? as in 05 and 06....
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August 1, 2006 3:44:26 AM

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so then GRAW, FEAR, NFS:most wanted they would benefit from some OCing?
also possibly help my 3dmark scores? as in 05 and 06....


OCing can never hurt your games or scores... the only thing it can hurt is your comp :)  (but usualy only if your not carefull) I dont think even at stock a 3500+ is bottle necking anything or at least it shouldnt be ? What RAM are you using ? and how much do you have... those games need 1GB of system ram I wouldnt try GRAW on 512MB's lol
August 1, 2006 5:00:29 AM

i dont think your processor will bottleneck anything right now. If a game required dual core then it would but there arent many multithreaded games out yet.
August 1, 2006 6:13:04 AM

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so then GRAW, FEAR, NFS:most wanted they would benefit from some OCing?
also possibly help my 3dmark scores? as in 05 and 06....

Your CPU is more than fine for those games 8) , you WONT see any different in F.E.A.R. if you OC your CPU , but in NFS : Most Wanted , you may see a little improvment if you can reach 2.5GHz or 2.6 GHz ...
August 1, 2006 12:08:52 PM

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so then GRAW, FEAR, NFS:most wanted they would benefit from some OCing?
also possibly help my 3dmark scores? as in 05 and 06....

3DMark doesn't tell real-life gaming performance, so don't put anything on the socres.

As for gaming performance, little (if any) performance will change. Maybe you'll get 0.2fps more. Try overclocking your card first.

BTW, a stock 3500+ won't bottleneck anything.

How much RAM do you have?
August 1, 2006 1:41:49 PM

Right now i have dual channel 2x512mb corsair value select. I was thinking abt getting another gig stick. From what I've heard that will help GRAW?
August 1, 2006 2:07:09 PM

Extra RAM will help everything.
August 1, 2006 2:18:31 PM

Yes more RAM will definitely help. Try and get a 2 GB dual channel kit, so you dont run into any compatability issues.
August 1, 2006 2:31:49 PM

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Hi...um i just got a XFX 7900GT and was wondering if my stock 3500 @ 2.2 would be bottlenecking it....thanx in advance

Well, in most games, a single-core 3500+ is quite sufficient to support a GeForce 7800GTX, so ostensibly the same could be said for the very similar 7900GT.

Of course, performance will vary depending on the game and scene; a good illustration of this is Oblivion; out in the wilderness, it will stress your graphics card to the max, so even a mediocre CPU can not be afraid of bottlenecking a fairly powerful graphics card. On the flip side, in towns, the graphics card will be largely idle while the CPU has to crunch through dozens of NPCs and their AI, as well as the buildings, which are actually CPU-intensive.

I wouldn't worry about such a thing with your processor. If you'd like, overclock it; (just be careful) a few hundred extra MHz won't hurt your benchmark scores, as mentioned.

When it comes to RAM, 1GB is usually the most that will mean anything to your framerates, though it can't hurt to have 2GB, provided it's still in the same configuration type as your 1GB setup. (i.e., dual-channel)
August 1, 2006 2:36:17 PM

Oh ok thanks....Well i guess I'll start searching newegg for a 2gig dual-channel kit then. Thanks to all who posted, and I put my 3500+ up to 3800+ speeds with only a 1-2C increase in idle temp.
August 1, 2006 3:03:52 PM

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Oh ok thanks....Well i guess I'll start searching newegg for a 2gig dual-channel kit then. Thanks to all who posted, and I put my 3500+ up to 3800+ speeds with only a 1-2C increase in idle temp.

Congrats, and happy gaming!
August 5, 2006 4:11:51 PM

If you are having problems with NFS:MW then there might be something else going on. on my system (See Specs Below) I can max that game out 1280x1024 all options on includeing FSAA put to max and have no lagging issues at all. the game runs crystal smooth. My proicessor is slower then yours and my video card isnt that much different from yours
August 5, 2006 4:21:01 PM

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on my system (See Specs Below) I can max that game out 1280x1024 all options on includeing FSAA put to max and have no lagging issues at all. the game runs crystal smooth.

Impossible ... That`s 100% Impossible ... Because I Can`t Play @ 1280x1024 With Max ( The Frame rate will drop to 10FPS on these settings ) !!
I Hate liars ... :evil: 
August 5, 2006 4:27:43 PM

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on my system (See Specs Below) I can max that game out 1280x1024 all options on includeing FSAA put to max and have no lagging issues at all. the game runs crystal smooth.

Impossible ... That`s 100% Impossible ... Because I Can`t Play @ 1280x1024 With Max ( The Frame rate will drop to 10FPS on these settings ) !!
I Hate liars ... :evil: 

Something must be wrong with your system, then; I get 10FPS at 1280x1024 max detail, and I use an X600. Your 7800GT has at least 3x the grahpics power of my POS video card. I run NFS:MW at 1280x1024 minimum detail with no AA, and I get 30-35 FPS (measured with FRAPS). Or I play at like 800x600 with FSAA to compensate for the fact that it's not running at native resolution.
August 5, 2006 4:50:49 PM

yea thats weird cause with my set-up i run it at 1600x1200 high settings 0xaa 16xaf and get 40-70fps.... and i know a 7900gt isnt that far off a 7800gt....
August 5, 2006 6:07:55 PM

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yea thats weird cause with my set-up i run it at 1600x1200 high settings 0xaa 16xaf and get 40-70fps.... and i know a 7900gt isnt that far off a 7800gt....


Why no AA?
August 5, 2006 6:23:33 PM

game looks good enough without it and it drops below 30fps with 2xaa sometimes and im more of a performance over quality person. dont get me wrong i like it good lookin but ill go without some extras if it means better FPS....
August 6, 2006 6:54:55 AM

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on my system (See Specs Below) I can max that game out 1280x1024 all options on includeing FSAA put to max and have no lagging issues at all. the game runs crystal smooth.

Impossible ... That`s 100% Impossible ... Because I Can`t Play @ 1280x1024 With Max ( The Frame rate will drop to 10FPS on these settings ) !!
I Hate liars ... :evil: 

Sorry bro I am not lieing. there has got to be something else that is casuing havok with your system. What all do you have going while playing the game? Oh and just to clearify my AA is 4x and my AF is 8x I saw no difference between 8x and 16 except a drop in FPS by about 12 so I decided to leave it at 8x
August 6, 2006 7:29:08 AM

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thats weird cause with my set-up i run it at 1600x1200 high settings 0xaa 16xaf and get 40-70fps.... and i know a 7900gt isnt that far off a 7800gt....

Wow ... Listen , i play NFS:MW at 1024x768 2xAA 16xAF, max details but car reflection update is set to low & with these settings ,my frame rate is always above 50FPS ,but when i switch to 1600x1200 or 1280x1024 the frame rate will go under 30~25 ... :(  , so you think there must be something wrong with my system ?my 3DMark 2005 score is 7600 & i Finished F.E.A.R. in 1024x768 Max (4xAA,16xAF) ... :( 
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Oh and just to clearify my AA is 4x and my AF is 8x

one more question is :
do you play in 1280x1024 +4xAA +8xAF with Car Reflection Update set to Max ? :( 
August 8, 2006 12:35:49 AM

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Oh and just to clearify my AA is 4x and my AF is 8x

one more question is :
do you play in 1280x1024 +4xAA +8xAF with Car Reflection Update set to Max ? :( [/quote]

Yes I do.
August 8, 2006 12:54:31 AM

Just to clarify, i do run at 2xaa it was 4xaa that causes too much slow down. So all high 2xaa 16xaf 1600x1200 40-70fps....and my car reflection is max....
August 8, 2006 2:02:04 AM

I had the same problem with my computer. I had a 3500+ and added a asus en7900gt card, games started stuttering. I switched my ram to Corsair 2gig (1gig sticks) thinking that my Kingston ram could not handle the faster graphics card, stiil had bottlenecking. I bought a x2-4200 dual core, that took care of problem. Now bf2-hl2-fear-quake4 run great with no problems.

Asus a8n-sli
Amd 4200 x2 2.4ghz
Corsair 2gig ram
wd 160gb 7200rpm
wd 250 gb 7200rpm
sony dvd rw
raidmax sagitta case
ultra connect 550w x2
August 8, 2006 3:49:22 PM

There has only been one game that i play that I am noticeing a major problem. BF2 is that game. Before i got my 7800GS I had a FX5700LE had to play the game a minimal... but the 7800GS in there thinking that I will be able to play maxed... WRONG... was able to move settings to medium-low but with visual distance maxed. After doing some benchmarking, testings, and useing a few of the many computers I have at my work as test systems. (I love working in a computer store I get free rain over any system there for testing) I have come to the conclusion that there are some games that are GPU intense and require good video cards while not requireing the best CPU. But on the flip side Games like BF2, FEAR, do benifit from having powerful CPU's. (thought having a mid range video card is a must) and then there are games like Oblivion which if you want to play at best settings everything you will need the best hardware of everything.

On a side note I just ordered a new AGP MOBO and a AMD 4000+ San Diago S939 and will try BF2 again with those. I will post findings here once system is up.
August 8, 2006 6:06:16 PM

mmmm... interesting ...
still i cant play NFS most wanted @ 1280x1024 with max details but i can play battle field 2 @ 1600x1200+High Details+4xAA & in a 16~32 player map i have no problem with the frame rate ...
the problem doesn`t end here , my brother has a P4 630+MSI 7600GT and he has the same problem with NFS most wanted... i think there must be something wrong with my NFS most wanted DVD 8O
i also updated the game to the Version 1.3 but the problem didn`t solve !!
:( 
do you have any idea about my problem ( actualy its not a problem , i finished the game & i dont play it much )
oh ... and one more thing is i use the supersampling antialiasing on gamma correction antialiasing & my intellisample setting is set to high quality ...
August 8, 2006 6:48:55 PM

I run all games fine with 3700+ and X1900XT.

My 7800GT could stomach anything really, apart from Oblivion.

The biggest slowdown problem I had with NFS: MW was that I hadn't defragged my hard disk in a while lol. Presumably it has to load track information quickly on the fly.

So, defrag your hard disk, install the latest vid/motherboard drivers, and try again.

Oh, and you may want to disable the transparency and gamma correct antialiasing for this game. They can cause your frame rate to drop suddenly in places depending on the extent of the card using them within the scene.

Try Max details, 1280x1024, 4xAA, 16xAF, and transparency/gamma correct DISABLED.
August 8, 2006 8:08:44 PM

Since the add in of the 805d oc to 3.6 cannot go higher because of the cheap ass board. This change over replaced the xp3200 oc,ed and still using it with great gaming for the home network. No bottle necking with even the xp, ram timing has lots to do with this specially if the system is oc'ed, if the wait states are to fast the system will bottle neck. I have experienced this plenty of times messing around with the timings, and if unevenly matched the games will run but bottle neck, this is more so when finding the best oc you can get. Then there is things in the bios that will cause problems such like vga shared memory, vga bios cache, system bios cache, I disable all this crap memory hogs and is not really needed for performance. Then there are power saving stuff wihich I don't use and shut off, only problem is, I need to buy a clock battery more often.
HD performance is disable indexing even go to the extent of uninstalling. This a waste for a gamer. If using a ide harddrve make sure dma mode is active.
There are more things but I said enough. GL
August 8, 2006 8:34:30 PM

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There has only been one game that i play that I am noticeing a major problem. BF2 is that game. Before i got my 7800GS I had a FX5700LE had to play the game a minimal... but the 7800GS in there thinking that I will be able to play maxed... WRONG... was able to move settings to medium-low but with visual distance maxed. After doing some benchmarking, testings, and useing a few of the many computers I have at my work as test systems. (I love working in a computer store I get free rain over any system there for testing) I have come to the conclusion that there are some games that are GPU intense and require good video cards while not requireing the best CPU. But on the flip side Games like BF2, FEAR, do benifit from having powerful CPU's. (thought having a mid range video card is a must) and then there are games like Oblivion which if you want to play at best settings everything you will need the best hardware of everything.

On a side note I just ordered a new AGP MOBO and a AMD 4000+ San Diago S939 and will try BF2 again with those. I will post findings here once system is up.


no they benifit from more RAM

2gb of RAm will be able to play BF2 on high

belive me, i have a 6800gs and i can play BF2 on high , the extra RAM Really Really helped
August 9, 2006 3:18:53 AM

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no they benifit from more RAM

2gb of RAm will be able to play BF2 on high

belive me, i have a 6800gs and i can play BF2 on high , the extra RAM Really Really helped


I acctually considered this as a problem so I borrowed my G/f's ram to make mine 2GB and bearly was able to tell a difference ingame only about 3 FPS max gain. However the game did load extremely faster. I would liek to point out that all this testing has been done on a fresh install with updated drivers and patches. Toms hardware actually did a test to prove if games truely took advatage of 2GB of ram and proved that for games the difference between 512MB and 1GB was substatial but between 1GB abd 2 GB there was almost no difference (see link here Http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/13/how_much_ram_do_you_really_need/page6.html ) This is why I belive that soemthing else is going on. I play with another guy he has an HP with an AMD 64 3500 S939 and he put a 7600GS in there and can play BF2 Maxed out no AA or AF and at 1024x768 smoothly like about 55-70 FPS is what he said.

One other note I tried playing COD2 and was able to play 1024x768 Max settings and at 2xAA and 4x AF... this is why I think something is going on with BF2
August 9, 2006 3:23:25 AM

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no they benifit from more RAM

2gb of RAm will be able to play BF2 on high

belive me, i have a 6800gs and i can play BF2 on high , the extra RAM Really Really helped


I acctually considered this as a problem so I borrowed my G/f's ram to make mine 2GB and bearly was able to tell a difference ingame only about 3 FPS max gain. However the game did load extremely faster. I would liek to point out that all this testing has been done on a fresh install with updated drivers and patches. Toms hardware actually did a test to prove if games truely took advatage of 2GB of ram and proved that for games the difference between 512MB and 1GB was substatial but between 1GB abd 2 GB there was almost no difference (see link here Http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/13/how_much_ram_do_you_really_need/page6.html ) This is why I belive that soemthing else is going on. I play with another guy he has an HP with an AMD 64 3500 S939 and he put a 7600GS in there and can play BF2 Maxed out no AA or AF and at 1024x768 smoothly like about 55-70 FPS is what he said.

One other note I tried playing COD2 and was able to play 1024x768 Max settings and at 2xAA and 4x AF... this is why I think something is going on with BF2


ok did u clear the cache first then load BF2 so it could optimize Shaders ?


my documents/battlefield 2/mods/cache and delete the cache
August 9, 2006 4:08:15 AM

Well I just tried what you said and I playes a 16PLayer map of karkand. Using Renderer.drawfps 1 i was able to see my FPS at about 45 there abouts but was constantly dipping into the low 20's causing the game to be unable to play. my settings were 1024x768 @60Hz settings on High everything. no AA no AF. I would also liek to sate for my statement abouve about COD2 my average FPS at those settings were 36 and stable they rarely went into the sub 30's
August 9, 2006 4:42:58 AM

thats Weird 8O
August 9, 2006 5:30:34 AM

The strage thing that I have noticed in BF2 is that no matter if I have my settings at High or Low my FPS arnt that Great even at Low with the only thing maxed being Visual Distance and my Resoslution being 800x600 my FPS still is about 50 but it doesnt drop below 35 so it makes for ok game ply just everything looks crappy.
August 9, 2006 6:28:05 AM

could be othere things, i cant point them out right now too tired .....
August 9, 2006 7:04:17 PM

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Try Max details, 1280x1024, 4xAA, 16xAF, and transparency/gamma correct DISABLED.

thanx but i tried that , my biggest problem is CAR REFLECTION UPDATE !
if i set it to max,my frame rate will kill by 30~40% so that i set it to low (not a big problem !)
also i have the lastest ForceWare & nForce 4 Drivers ( Even My onboard Lan & sound are up to date)
another thing is i cant play the game at 1280x1024 with my setting ( all max insted of Car Reflection Update & 2xAA ) the frame rate will drop to 30~40 even in the menu ( where there is a BMW M3 Race Edition ) :( 
i dont get it ... whats wrong , i can play every game fine but there is something wrong with NFS, as i said my brother had the same problem with his new system ( MSI 7600GT & P4 630 )...
i`m begining to think that there is something wrong with my NFS:MW DVD :( 
August 9, 2006 8:06:31 PM

Well Like I said earlier I just ordered a AMD S939 4000+ Sandiago and will have a new MOBO for it in 2 weeks. Once I get it all up and running ILl be sure to post new Benchmark Results and BF2 FPS along with NFS:MW FPS using fraps. Right Now I fell that the problem with my BF2 is the CPU becasue with my G/F's 3000+ S939 Winchester and my 7800GS I had no problem playing BF2 Maxed.
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