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August 1, 2006 1:25:23 PM

i am getting a prebulit and adding a new psu to it but the thing i am not too sure about is the video card. i was going to get a 7900 gt but is there something better for around the same price i want to spend somewhere in the 200's max not over $299. but yeah i want to play TES:o  F.E.A.R, riddick,bf2, far cry etc. i am not a fanboy of either just need a good video card.

system specs

processor: AMD 3800+ or 4000+
ram 1 gb (getting another around christmas)
psu--- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

the video card i am looking at is xfx 7900gt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

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August 1, 2006 2:07:22 PM

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i am getting a prebulit and adding a new psu to it but the thing i am not too sure about is the video card. i was going to get a 7900 gt but is there something better for around the same price i want to spend somewhere in the 200's max not over $299. but yeah i want to play TES:o  F.E.A.R, riddick,bf2, far cry etc. i am not a fanboy of either just need a good video card.

system specs

processor: AMD 3800+ or 4000+
ram 1 gb (getting another around christmas)
psu--- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

the video card i am looking at is xfx 7900gt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

$299US for a new PCI-e graphics card? That's plenty enough to play with, I think. Most importantly, it's best to look at it as how you plan to use it; it was wise of you to list your gaming fixes, though perhaps your taste for resolution, settings, etc. might've also helped. Either way, I think we might be looking at, optimally, a Radeon X1900XT or GeForce 7900GT. (you may want to toss a couple dollars on, as they MIGHT not come in under $300US)

Well, of the games you list, Battlefield 2 really isn't intensive on the video card at all, so you needn't really care about what graphics card you use for that, as long as you've got 1-2GB of RAM, a decent processor (which you have) and a VERY strong Internet connection, though even with those, the game will still "lag" with 20+ players on screen; there's no way around that.

Far Cry, last I checked, is mildly intensive by today's standards, and with or without the use of HDR, appears to run equally well on both Radeon and GeForce cards. Some people might give points to ATi's card for being able to use the HDR along with AA at the same time, but that's a matter of personal taste.

Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay, unless I'm mistaken, is similar in performance to Doom3; it can be rather GPU-intensive at higher resolutions, (though not necessarily settings) and will favor an nVidia GeForce card over an ATi Radeon.

However, perhaps the games that most concern me, at least from a performance standpoint, are F.E.A.R. and Oblivion. As far as the strain that a game places on the graphics card, F.E.A.R. blows everything other than Oblivion away, and Oblivion blows F.E.A.R. away by the same margin. Both are rediculously intensive when it comes to pixel shaders, effectively leaving no surface un-enhanced.

At higher settings and resolutions, this literally crushes pretty much any graphics setup. However, it's worth noting that the ATi Radeon cards, particularly the X1900 series, show a serious lead over the nVidia competition; in Oblivion, the X1900XT out-performs the 7900GTX by a large margin, and is actually, in many cases, closer to the 7950GX2, though it falls to that.

I believe the GeForce 7900GT will be the cheaper of the two cards. Depending on how flexible your budget is, and what importance you place on each of your games, as well as your settings, either card would work. Were I to fill in the rest of the information you gave with my personal tastes, I would go for the Radeon X1900XT, given that I place a premium on image quality features, and play a lot of Oblivion, though I'm obviously not you; many people would rather take the 7900GT, as they may scorn HDR altogether, (a lot of people do) not care too much about specialized anisotropic filtering, and prefer a card that only takes up one slot, runs quieter, and uses less power.
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August 1, 2006 2:14:08 PM

Wouldn't a better comparison be an X1800XT and a 7900GT, as they're about the same price/performance?
August 1, 2006 2:26:23 PM

thanks for your help it really helps me out. but i am still confused on one thing. i am most likely going to order from newegg and they have like 20 different brands of each card. BFG,evga,pny just a few for example but if you could list the best 7900gt and the best ATI x1800 or 1900xt
August 1, 2006 2:32:31 PM

BFG and eVga are pretty good brands for the 7900GT. Sapphire is a good brand for ATI, or you could go with ATI themselves of course. I think they're usually about $20-$30 higher than Sapphire though.
August 1, 2006 2:38:20 PM

eVGA 7900 GT cards are suppose to be really good and I've heard mixed reviews about BFG cards. But they are both worth the money in my opinion.
August 1, 2006 2:41:11 PM

You also might consider a X1900 GT like the Powercolor Radeon X1900 Gt at newegg for $289. Its toward the high side of your budget, but should give good performance
August 1, 2006 2:56:13 PM

ok thanks for some name brand to look for i will look into the cards some more before i make my choice.
August 1, 2006 3:03:18 PM

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Wouldn't a better comparison be an X1800XT and a 7900GT, as they're about the same price/performance?

Perhaps you're right; that would be a more fair comparison, particularly as they'd be closer in price.

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thanks for your help it really helps me out. but i am still confused on one thing. i am most likely going to order from newegg and they have like 20 different brands of each card. BFG,evga,pny just a few for example but if you could list the best 7900gt and the best ATI x1800 or 1900xt

When it comes to nVidia GeForce cards, nVidia, as you might've guessed, doesn't make ANY cards. However, when nVidia shows off a card, it was assembled by eVGA; they are, hands-down, the best maker.

Following them would probably be BFG and Gainward, though those tend to be much pricier. XFX and PNY would likely go for the third tier.

For ATi cards, ATi, Sapphire, Connect3D, and TUL (PowerColor) all have the same Asian company assembling their cards; the only difference is what they toss into the package, and what kind of coloring/styling they go with. Hence, their quality is all effectively identical.
August 1, 2006 3:31:16 PM

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...assembled by eVGA; they are, hands-down, the best maker.

Following them would probably be BFG and Gainward, though those tend to be much pricier. XFX and PNY would likely go for the third tier.


Are you saying that ASUS no longer makes good video cards? I remember there was a time when they made the best ones with both nV and ATI GPUs
August 1, 2006 4:42:20 PM

so for ati there all the same? if someone can post some links to these products that would be great.
August 1, 2006 5:13:09 PM

If you want to play TES:o  then you really might want to stretch your budget a little for an X1900XT.

I just upgraded my 7800GT to an X1900xT for one reason - Oblivion.

Does well in FEAR, too, but the performance difference vs nVidia is most apparent in Oblivion.

Plus, 4xAA + HDR + 16x HQ AF is awesome to behold.
August 1, 2006 5:31:54 PM

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You also might consider a X1900 GT like the Powercolor Radeon X1900 Gt at newegg for $289. Its toward the high side of your budget, but should give good performance

The X1800XT, 7900GT and X1900GT all pretty much trade blows with each other. The X1800XT and 7900GT can be had for roughly the same cost after rebates. The X1900GT is more expensive than either and does not clearly win against the X1800XT or the 7900GT. So even though it is a decent card, I just don't think it's a good card for the money.

If you play more Oblivion than anything else, most people sway towards the ATI X1x00 series of cards over the nVdia line. IMHO though, I cannot see you going wrong with either a 7900GT or an X1800XT. The X1900XT would be an excellent choice, but you will not find one at or under $300.00 currently.
August 1, 2006 6:44:42 PM

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You also might consider a X1900 GT like the Powercolor Radeon X1900 Gt at newegg for $289. Its toward the high side of your budget, but should give good performance


The X1900 GT is not as good as an X1800 XT or a 7900 GT.
August 2, 2006 12:57:11 AM

so what card is the better buy i will play some TES4:0 but not my main game i will still play it
August 2, 2006 12:31:50 PM

ok i am reading about the ati cards and it says it takes up two slots what does that mean? i wil have 1-2 PCI, 1 PCI-E x16, 2 DIMM left in the prebulit maybe i can take something out. but anyway here are some cards i was looking at . and i will post the pc. i am also having a problem the psu is 450 watts and the cards say a min of 450 should i get a bigger one?

pc-http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=999958700...

psu-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

1)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

2)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

3)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

4)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

5)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

6)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

7)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
August 2, 2006 12:44:28 PM

Good choice on the PSU. Go with either video card 1 or video card 2. If you play Oblivion, or plan on playing it, video card 1 is best for that. If you plan on playing Doom 3 engine-based games (i.e. Quake 4, Doom 3, Enemy Territory: Quake Wars) then go with video card number 2. Both are about the same speed. Some argue ATI has better video quality, and will allow HDR and AA at the same time. Forget about the X1900GT.

About the 2 slots question, that just means the fan and heatsink on the card are so large, they will take up the area below it and you won't be able to use the slot below the video card. It doesn't mean you need the actual slot to plug something in it.
August 2, 2006 1:30:28 PM

I just found this deal. It's an X1900GT priced very low. Usually I wouldn't recommend an X1900GT because they tend to be overpriced, but this is a good deal, and an X1900GT performs somewhere between an X1800XL and a 7900GT, sometimes even beating the 7900GT.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

It's out of stock now but hopefully they'll keep the same deal when they get some in.
August 2, 2006 5:11:02 PM

Nice find Gary_Busey. The X1900GT's achilles heal was it's high price. You'll be hard pressed to find a card that performs similiar for $180.00 though.
August 2, 2006 6:31:06 PM

ok thank you guys very much but will the psu still be fine or should i get a 500 watt or higher. I am playing TES4:0 but i am not sure if its my main game you know. so if i go with 2 is there going to be a big difference in that game. same thing if i went with 1 and i play quake 4 would i see something different if i was useing card 2? does that make sense? what i'm saying is 2 does just as well in TES4:0 as 1 does and same with the quake games?
August 2, 2006 7:01:56 PM

Yeah, they'll each do fine on both of those games. It's just with ES4, ATI cards run it slightly faster, plus you can enable AA and HDR at the same time, which you can't do on an Nvidia card. But if you play Quake 4 with an ATI, it'll run it just fine maxed out, but won't get as many FPS as an Nvidia card. You won't really be able to notice it though, since they'll both have such high framerates. You PSU is a good, solid choice.
August 2, 2006 7:30:54 PM

ok thanks so then i guess i just have to make up my mind about 1 or 2 for the video card.
August 2, 2006 7:35:42 PM

Yup. Again though, if you're in a strict budget you could get this and it would perform similarly:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

This would be the only time I recommend an X1900GT, because of the $100 rebate it puts it down to $180 which is the best performing card you'll get for under $200. You just gotta make sure you get that $100 rebate in.

But if $50 isn't that big of a deal to you, choose between 1 & 2.
August 2, 2006 7:43:34 PM

Why not get a X1900XT?

For only $299!

Only bad thing is noisy cooler...

~Ibrahim~
August 2, 2006 7:46:39 PM

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Why not get a X1900XT?

For only $299!

Only bad thing is noisy cooler...

~Ibrahim~

Hey, if he's got the cash, I can't think of a reason why not. What's with NewEgg and these $100 rebates.
August 2, 2006 7:49:07 PM

Yeah. I was curious about the $100 rebate on the GT and checked out what else Connect was offering... Yeah, if you can squeeze a 1900XT, you'll be golden.

~Ibrahim~
August 3, 2006 2:02:06 PM

beacuse 250 plus a 50 psu is already 300 plus 600 for the pc itself well i dont have all the money in the world. anyway two last things would everything work together? and you guys are sure i shouldn't bump my psu up to like 500 550?
August 3, 2006 2:16:37 PM

also if the lcd is 16ms is that bad for gaming?
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August 3, 2006 2:42:37 PM

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also if the lcd is 16ms is that bad for gaming?


I assume that's IS the 16ms LCD bad for gaming, and the answer is yes.

It's not even going to be 16ms average, but 16ms within a small preferential test range.

Most 16ms LCDs ghost terribly, and are terrible for gaming.
August 3, 2006 2:45:48 PM

oh ok then umm if someone could tel me if i get this pc package wtihout the printer/lcd i can spend a bit more in video card i guess. but i have a gateway 2000 crt does anyone have a clue on how that would work with this system?
August 3, 2006 2:46:20 PM

If you can't squeeze in the X1900XT, the 7900/X1900GT or a X1800XT should be fine. 450W does seem to be pushing it, maybe a FSP/Antec/TT/Good-Brand 500W?

I have a 12ms LCD and I've never had ghosting or any that I have seen. 12ms and below should be good. Try to make sure that is *NOT* the gray to gray scale, but the Black to black. Some of those man. brag about 2ms response rates, but they are gray to gray instead of the real full on, full off, full on.

~Ibrahim~
August 3, 2006 3:09:34 PM

Oh, hell yeah. If you minus a printer and a LCD you are good to go, probably a X1900XT from IceQ would do good. Maybe even a X1950XT(X?)....

CRTs are the *bomb* for gaming, no ghosting or tearing or any of that stuff that plague LCDs. Only bad thing is their size.

~Ibrahim~
August 5, 2006 5:32:46 PM

but a gateway 200 crt? and also should i go with a cheaper card like 7800 or even a 7600? or just stick with a 7800gt?
August 5, 2006 10:30:19 PM

Well, when was the CRT made? I can't find it on any site. Was it within the last few years?

Well, there are quite a few options. If you want a DX10 later down the road, squeeze in a 7600GT, a very fast mainstream card. Or a X1950 Pro, when they are released. They both should suit you until a sec. or third gen. DX10 card.

~Ibrahim~
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