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Best AGP video card with a Pentium 4 3.0 ghz

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August 1, 2006 6:35:57 PM

My friend wants to upgrade from his crappy radeon 9250 to a good gaming video card.

What video card should he buy?
August 1, 2006 6:44:35 PM

I'm guessing he has AGP, but just to make sure: What interface does he have? AGP or PCI-E?
August 1, 2006 7:09:27 PM

Well since the subject says "Best AGP Video Card" I am assuming that it's an AGP card.

From what I've heard it's between the 6600 and the X1600. Not entirely sure on that tho. Look around at some benchmarks and what-not. I'm sure there's enough info from the forumz here to make a good educated decision.
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August 1, 2006 7:11:18 PM

Depends on your budget.

Look at the 'best cards for the money' thread at the top of this forum.
August 1, 2006 7:13:15 PM

Indeed... if budget isn't a problem... go all out and get an X850XT Platinum.
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August 1, 2006 7:20:59 PM

Don't get either one of those. The 6600 is an old mid-range card, and the X1600 is a new mid-range card that's not powerful enough to fully utilize the new features it has. The best AGP card is the 7800GS, but I wouldn't spend that much on AGP ($300). ATI has the X800XL , and X850pro on clearance. They are both worlds better than what your friend has, and their really cheap right now ($119 for the X800XL free shipping 1year warranty, and $150 for the X850pro).
August 1, 2006 7:57:54 PM

The 7800GS is THE BEST AGP graphics card available. It has newer technology when compared to the older ATi X850XT (ATi has SM 2.0 and the 7800GS has SM 3.0). However, at a high price, you might want to factor in the price/performance ratio, and the fact that AGP is basically a dying breed...

If price is an issue, consider the X800XL unless you are sure you can get an X850 Pro that can UNLOCK.
August 1, 2006 9:08:15 PM

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The 7800GS is THE BEST AGP graphics card available. It has newer technology when compared to the older ATi X850XT (ATi has SM 2.0 and the 7800GS has SM 3.0). However, at a high price, you might want to factor in the price/performance ratio, and the fact that AGP is basically a dying breed...

If price is an issue, consider the X800XL unless you are sure you can get an X850 Pro that can UNLOCK.


Those 2 are really the best bang for your buck, especially the X800XL.

nVidia has the 7600GS and the 6800GS which are OK, but not as good for the price. The Best is the 7800GS, or the X850XT PE
August 1, 2006 9:25:13 PM

I'll second those recommendations for the X800XL refurb from ATI. It is light years ahead of the 9250 and all other cards that cost $100 more than it.
August 1, 2006 9:42:21 PM

You might want to consider an X800GTO.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010380...
If you read the reviews for the one with the transparent fan you will notice that some of them are coming with 16 pixel pipes enabeled which basically makes it an X800XL.

I have the Sapphire card with the black fan and was able to unlock it to 16 pipes with a bios flash.

I have heard that you might end up waiting quite a while if you order one of the refurbished cards from ATI. I don't know if it is true but you might want to consider that.
August 1, 2006 9:44:03 PM

More info would be helpfull. There are alot of good cards at different price points. He might not be to concurned about gaming being he has such a old card to begin with. So really the best card for the dollar would geforce 6800 agp 256mb for 133.00 bucks. but how much is he willing to spend is the big issue.
August 2, 2006 1:53:27 AM

Basically, he is concerned about gaming.

Money is a factor but do you think that p4 3.0 ghz is enough for a card like 6800 ? Or should he consider x800 card?


I know AGP is a dead end but it is what he has.

Could it be a good idea to change his MB and get a cheaper PCI-E card for the same price ?

So he could later upgrade his cpu ? Is there a lot of possibility on the same socket ? Some old dual core cpu, like pentium D series?
August 2, 2006 1:58:17 AM

It might be better, though, to live as long as he can with what he has and upgrade to a PCI-e motherboard w/GPU.

On upgrading the CPU: What socket and what FSB?

~Ibrahim~
August 2, 2006 2:36:26 AM

I was in love 8O with my x850xt pe until... Let's just say that I am starting over now (not due to the card but an unfortunate PSU incident).

This card was one of the best performers due to clock speed but not new features (like pixel shaders).

I like this card alot.
August 2, 2006 3:21:32 AM

A 3GHz Pentium 4 isn't a bad CPU even if it is a few years old. The clock speeds haven't gotten much higher since then. Socket 478 Northwood or Prescott are still both respectable CPUs. Of course, neither of them will set any records.

I have a 2.8 Northwood C overclocked to 3.5GHz with an AGP Sapphire X800GTO unlocked to 16 pixel pipelines. It isn't fast by today's standards but it will play BF2 and CS:S on high (with BF2 I set the texture detail to medium because I don't have 2GB of RAM) with no AA or AF at 1280x960. I can actually run 1600x1200 in CS:S but I like my framerates to stay above 50 if I can.
August 2, 2006 3:27:36 PM

The X800 and X850 series cards were very fast and they still are very fast. I think a few weeks ago I saw a benchmark, HL2 I think, with the X850XT PE in the 5th spot, it was putting out faster frames than two 7900GTXs. Very good card, one of ATI's better cards.

~Ibrahim~
August 2, 2006 3:28:48 PM

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The X800 and X850 series cards were very fast and they still are very fast. I think a few weeks ago I saw a benchmark, HL2 I think, with the X850XT PE in the 5th spot, it was putting out faster frames than two 7900GTXs. Very good card, one of ATI's better cards.

~Ibrahim~

Can you find that benchmark? That doesn't sound like it could be true.
August 2, 2006 3:33:16 PM

I'm looking for it right now. I was amazed as well, that is why I remembered it. It was a GPU review, just can't remeber the damned card that they were reviewing!

~Ibrahim~
August 2, 2006 3:45:40 PM

I'm looking and looking. I cannot find it. I've looked for any card that I would have wanted/needed a review for. I can't find it anymore, but I'll keep an eye out for it. Here is a similar benchmark:

THG Compairison

There the X850XT PE beats 7800GT SLi, 7800GT OC SLi, and 7800GTX SLi. Once you turn the res. up, though, it is left in the dust. I'm pretty sure the bench I was talking about earlier was probably at 1024x768.

Kind of interesting how a card two gen. back can beat a brand new card, but at a low. res.... And, as I have found out, most people game either at 1280X1024 or 1024x768, the res. where the X850XT PE shines. Odd how THG doesn't include 12x10...

~Ibrahim~
August 2, 2006 3:49:25 PM

X850 looks like the best choice.


Thank you very much guys for helping me out! :D 
August 2, 2006 3:49:51 PM

Interesting.
August 2, 2006 4:15:44 PM

7800GS or a x850 but you should consider the the x800-x850 line is EOL(End of life)
August 2, 2006 4:17:08 PM

I have a P4 3.2 Northwood running AGP. I recently upgraded to a BFG 6800GS and I am able to play most games. Although I mostly only play UT2k4, I have played GW and FEAR without any probs (on lower settings for the last two mentioned).

I took the 6800GS as I wanted the SM.3 which isn't available on the X800 or X850's. I am hoping that I can play UT2k7 (which I understand will utilize the SM.3) with the 6800GS on lower settings but only time will tell.

Make sure you keep your case clean of dust bunnies and/or purchase a better GPU cooling solution as heat can become an issue with this card.

Hope this helps.
August 3, 2006 3:24:42 AM

I kinda wanted to say x800 since its cheaper and as I can see, pretty easy to overclock to gain x850 performance.

Since 6800 are more expensive, my friend is looking for something cheap for a "quick" upgrade, nothing big!
August 3, 2006 3:27:30 AM

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There the X850XT PE beats 7800GT SLi, 7800GT OC SLi, and 7800GTX SLi. Once you turn the res. up, though, it is left in the dust. I'm pretty sure the bench I was talking about earlier was probably at 1024x768.

Kind of interesting how a card two gen. back can beat a brand new card, but at a low. res.... And, as I have found out, most people game either at 1280X1024 or 1024x768, the res. where the X850XT PE shines. Odd how THG doesn't include 12x10...

~Ibrahim~


That's the pci-express card in that comparison and not the agp.

7800gs agp review

perhaps a better comparison of high end agp cards.
August 3, 2006 3:34:04 AM

So I just found a deal on a used X800 pro 256 meg,


Is it very different from x800 xt? less pipeline?

or is it only about clockspeed from memory/gpu?
August 3, 2006 3:55:07 AM

The X800Pro comes with 12 pixel pipelines enabled.
The X800XT comes with 16 pixel pipelines enabled.
Not sure off the top of my head but I think that the XT has higher clock speeds than the Pro.
August 3, 2006 3:56:24 AM

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So I just found a deal on a used X800 pro 256 meg,



That card is a slow-ass piece of crap. I thought the title of this thread had the word best in it :roll:

Get a good, modern card, with all of todays features(and a lifetime warranty)..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Tell everyone who mentioned an X8xx series card here that they can go choke on one.
August 3, 2006 4:14:47 AM

Trying to talk up your 7800GS bud?? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 

Speaking of, did you get an offers yet?
August 3, 2006 4:18:06 AM

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Trying to talk up your 7800GS bud?? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 


No...I'm just talking shiit as usual :lol: 

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Speaking of, did you get an offers yet?


Yes, more than a few, but getting somebody to send me the money first proved to be too much of a problem.....so I gave up.
August 3, 2006 4:25:53 AM

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No...I'm just talking shiit as usual :lol: 


Meh... :twisted:



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Yes, more than a few, but getting somebody to send me the money first proved to be too much of a problem.....so I gave up.


We got some dead beat sumbitches here....
August 3, 2006 4:35:54 AM

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We got some dead beat sumbitches here....


I know :twisted:
August 3, 2006 5:38:11 AM

Quote:
Basically, he is concerned about gaming.

Money is a factor but do you think that p4 3.0 ghz is enough for a card like 6800 ? Or should he consider x800 card?


I know AGP is a dead end but it is what he has.

Could it be a good idea to change his MB and get a cheaper PCI-E card for the same price ?

So he could later upgrade his cpu ? Is there a lot of possibility on the same socket ? Some old dual core cpu, like pentium D series?


LOL dude, I've got a 3 gig p4 and a 7900GT. It runs smooth as silk. Far better than that A64 my girlfriend plays on.
August 3, 2006 5:53:58 AM

Ok, what GPU does she have? Becuase if its a TI4200...I dont give a damn if she's got a quad core Opteron.....nothing will make up for a poor video card handicap.
August 3, 2006 5:56:01 AM

I dont know other specs as well but if your friend has got a 775socket proc maybe it would be a good idea to buy a new motherboard that has pci express cos one day your friend will want to upgrade to a 2 or 4 core proc the only way he is gonna stick that agp card in there is by sticking it somewhere else! comprende?
There are cheapo mobos out there and the 7600GT is really good or go 7900GT - x1800xt.
August 3, 2006 7:56:45 AM

I'm surprised theres been so many cards mentioned when IMO theres only a few that need to be considered. This is my humble opinion:

If you want to pay 270 for the best agp card, go ahead and buy the 7800 GS.

I think the x800xl is the best deal because its only 120 and only somewhat less powerful than the 7800GS. The 850pro isn't bad either, it's equal to the x800xl at stock but its possible to unlock it to a 850xt, BUT it costs 20 bucks more.

The x800pro sucks, I don't know where you could find a x800xt, I think they're not available anymore.

Buying a motherboard with a pci-express slot may be a good option if its socket 775. I don't know too much about intel cpus.

edit: I just found out the x850 pro is now the same price as the x800xl at ATI. I would go with the x850 pro now cause i heard it can unlock.
August 3, 2006 8:47:26 AM

I heard thet only the AGP x850pro vivo can be unlocked other dont unlock well.
August 3, 2006 2:58:03 PM

Hey, if you are spending around $300,

Why not get a 512MB 7900GT

That, my friends, is the fastest AGP card. Smacks every other AGP card silly.

~Ibrahim~
August 3, 2006 3:35:55 PM

For a budget AGP then the HIS 9550 would be a good choice for $75. 250mhz core and 400mhz memory but can easily be overclocked to 500mhz core and 700mhz memory stable and cool. My brother have this card on his P4 2.5Ghz pc. With it along with 1Gb of memory it can play games like BF2, FEAR, Oblivion and Call of Duty 2 at good quality.

But if you're buddy wants a high end GPU then tell him to get a 7800GS.
August 3, 2006 4:21:31 PM

Go on Ebay and hunt the good deals.

Most people selling cards keep them in good nick. I picked up an x800xt PE for about £150 a year ago and it runs anything really well. I'm sure these are now available for £100.

again with ebay jsut watch for the sellers ratings.

if you like i have a gforce 3 ti500 for sale for £20 :p 
August 3, 2006 7:34:30 PM

I've got a 9800 pro I'll sell you for $60.
August 3, 2006 8:06:01 PM

Sorry to thread jack a bit, but I'm in the same situation (P4E 3.0, p4p800se, xp90, 1gb hyperX, 9800pro aiw, raptor, yada yada).

My advice for 'best agp video card' would be a pci-express one ;) 

I'm gonna dump the board (maybe sell it down the road), and chase down an Asus P4RD1-MX. sure its a little weak micro-atx board, but unlike the 754/939 x200 based board i've got, it does support some overclocking features (plus overclocking a prescott is kinda silly to me, thats what opterons or core2's are for).

You dump the agp, and get pci-express. for me, the only feature i'd loose is the gigabit lan (and 865 chipset...). so i never have to waste money on a crappy agp card, and can buy cards that i'll use on future systems, and when that happens, demote the p4 to a htpc computer (the x200 onboard is great for video out/htpc).

Anybody got any good/evil stuuf to say about my crazy idea???

(ie experience with x200 for intel(from asus), or whether the uli southbridge is a total piece of crap vs the ich5 (which isn't really anything fantastic imho).
August 3, 2006 8:09:44 PM

I don't know that'd he get that much more of a performance boost and save any money by getting a new board. An X850 Pro or X800XL is still a pretty fast card, especially for $119. He might be able to find a 7600GT for $120, or I think NewEgg has X850XT PCI-E's for $100. And there's virtually no performance difference between an AGP card and a PCI-E card of the same kind.
August 3, 2006 8:26:25 PM

That X850XT PE card is fast, just wish it had SM3, be near-perfect then.

~Ibrahim~
August 3, 2006 8:46:31 PM

Is it a PE? I thought it was just an XT.
August 3, 2006 8:55:01 PM

:oops:  My mistake. I think I got "PCI-e" confused with "PE".

The only difference, though, between the XT PE and the XT is just a few clocks. 20Mhz more on the core, 50Mhz more on the memory. Kind of like the X1900XT and X1900XTX.

Actually, the X850XT is slower than the X800XT PE. Kind of interesting.

~Ibrahim~

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April 25, 2009 8:22:02 AM

i have the x800 pro. i flashed the bios to unlock the other 4 pipelines bringing it to 16 total. I also have overclocked it like a mofo. I added a aftermarket heatsink to it as well. i had bought the card with my custom rig I built about 4 years ago when it was 399$ new. Even now years later I can play BF2, COD2, and other games very very well. I was playing battlefield vietnam back when I got it. great classic :D 
The only thing holding this series back as someone else has stated i believe is the damn shader model. The x800 pro I have only has 2.1 shader model. And DX10 is out now and it cant run it because of the SM. This really blows.

The bottom line, if you are needing a nice agp card, the x800 series is a great buy if you only play DX9 and only need shader model 2.1 to play yer games. I have seen the x800 series online for 50$ with a little digging around. Also, not all x800's can be flashed to unlock the other pipelines.

Anywho, I just thought I would give my two cents since I had saw that someone was bashing my x800. lol
Im running at 3.0 ghz HT overclocked to 3.51, 2 gigs ram, 400watt psu, decent msi motherboard overclocked to the teeth, and the x800 pro that is also overclocked to the teeth as well. ATITOOL is a great little app to overclock ATI cards.
I pwn in the online games that I play, especially battlefield 2. Sad to say that I am going to have to upgrade to a whole new rig now since these next gen games are out now. I cant wait to be able to play them. Just gotta drop the dough to get it.

I had a good run with this pc though. four years old and it is still kickin ass and taking names in the games that use 2.1 SM and DX9.


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April 25, 2009 8:30:39 AM

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