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August 1, 2006 9:08:51 PM

i just bought a new AM2 setup containing:


- http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.php?artId=ASM2NS...
Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe nforce570
- http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.php?artId=1024DD...
A-Data 1024mb 667mhz (1module)
- http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.php?artId=ADA350...
AMD Athlon64 "Orleans" 3500+ 2.2GHz 512Kb Boxed (with cpu-cooler!) Socket AM2
- http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.php?artId=ASN660...
Nvidia 6600 grafic card
- http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.php?artId=WDR740...
WesternDigital 1000rpm 74gb
-520w PSU

now to the problem, i cant seem to install windows xp (i might be blond but i know how to do that :wink: )

ive testet 2 diffrent windows so far, xp pro sp1 and xp pro including sp1 and 2

i get the blue screen with diffrent error messages ever single time at random occations, they always apear when the "step by step" screen is up.

i managed to install it 1 time some how, but then i got error messages in every application (games-iexplorer etc) i ran aftar a random period of time.

im not realy good with computer parts, but i was thinking, since the motherboard ram sockets are dual ddr2, must i have 2 dual modules in order for it to work? cus i only have 1 stick on 667mhz 1024mb.

im realy clueless on what to do, pls help me :( 

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August 1, 2006 9:27:01 PM

I'd double check to make sure the RAM was in a correct slot, then run memtest86. http://www.memtest86.com/
This should diagnose your memory to make sure its running ok.
August 1, 2006 9:31:52 PM

It sounds like your having somekind of Hardware problem and by the looks of it it might have to do with your RAM memory, so first of all are you aware of how to go and check in the BIOS for settings? If not, since you only have 1 stick of memory, there's no way of maybe taking one out and testing to see if it's not a defective part, unless you have access to another stick of DDR2 RAM. Also are you familiar with DOS based diagnotic programs such as Memtest86? Because a lot of people had problems with memory compatibily of that platform...Also if possible can you list every item of your build with precise information such has brand, model etc? this would help to see what could be the problem.
August 1, 2006 9:32:36 PM

You don't need two sticks of ram for it to work. That was only true for RDRAM, which is no more. It's most likely a hardware issue. Taking it in to a shop would be the easiest way to fix it. Otherwise you may need to swap out hardware to see if it works with a different piece. Which might not be possible if you dont have extra motherboards arround that handle X2 chips. So really it's gonna be hard to find out what is the issue. try swapping hard drives and video cards to see if that is the issue first. If you have a ddr stick of ram, swap it for the DDR2 also.
August 1, 2006 9:36:06 PM

LOL so many answers in such a short time...Everybody wants to help the swedish dameselle in distress..Next time I want help i'll know what to put in the header of the thread.. :lol: 
August 1, 2006 9:39:51 PM

Did this setup ever work, or is it all brand new? Do you have any parts you can swap in, to try to troubleshoot what's defective? Can you get any support from the people who sold you the system?

The problem with "regular" users trying to troubleshoot a problem like this is that we usually can't just swap out the processor, memory, motherboard, etc, because we don't have spare parts kicking around. My first guess, however, would be bad memory. You should be able to run with one module, AFAIK.

Clint
August 1, 2006 9:41:23 PM

Quote:
LOL so many answers in such a short time...Everybody wants to help the swedish dameselle in distress..Next time I want help i'll know what to put in the header of the thread.. :lol: 


:)  It's probably some guy name Guido, hanging on in the Bronx, wearing a sweaty tank top...

Some people know how to get attention. :) 

Clint
August 1, 2006 9:41:33 PM

hi and thx for the fast reply :) 

im alittle familiar with bios and dos, i know the basics, abit more maby :) 

sadly i dont have axess to any ddr2 modules exept my own.
so i cant swap them

i used this computer system konfiguratior to build my computer
http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/config/configfr.php?call...

so hopefully all them parts should be compatable with eachother :s
August 1, 2006 9:44:35 PM

it is all brand new and have never ever fully worked.
August 1, 2006 9:51:11 PM

Can you provide us with what exact brand/type of memory you are using?
August 1, 2006 9:55:32 PM

Quote:
hi and thx for the fast reply :) 

im alittle familiar with bios and dos, i know the basics, abit more maby :) 

sadly i dont have axess to any ddr2 modules exept my own.
so i cant swap them

i used this computer system konfiguratior to build my computer
http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/config/configfr.php?call...

so hopefully all them parts should be compatable with eachother :s

Maybe you could list the parts for those of us who are non-versed in the swedish language. :) 
Another thought occurred to me to check the BIOS to make sure the RAM is running at the right timing and speed. Hopefully it has an Auto Detect feature.

It could be other components, but RAM is the most likely, so check that first.
August 1, 2006 9:59:03 PM

oki...... check the speed of the ram.... what is the correct speed ?
i have also downloaded that memtest86 and burned it, gonna start it up as soon as i can
August 1, 2006 10:03:26 PM

Quote:
oki...... check the speed of the ram.... what is the correct speed ?
i have also downloaded that memtest86 and burned it, gonna start it up as soon as i can


You need to tell us what's the brand name and model of your RAM for us to be
able to give you some type of solution....
August 1, 2006 10:18:22 PM

Quote:
oki...... check the speed of the ram.... what is the correct speed ?
i have also downloaded that memtest86 and burned it, gonna start it up as soon as i can

Uhhh without seeing the BIOS its kind of hard.. It should say like 333Mhz or DDR2-667 or something like that.

Just run memtest first and see what falls out of that.
August 1, 2006 10:20:35 PM

hmmm ive ran the memtest with the memory in each port.................
and in slot1 2 and 3 i recieved tones of errors emidietly!!! :( !!! but slot4 hasnt given me any error yet so far (its still running, and have ben running longer than in the previous slotts) .. what does this mean? that my notherboards ports are defect? or is it the ram?

... lets just say... i dont feel any smarter now than before :/ 
August 1, 2006 10:20:47 PM

Just something to try. I had a problem loading windows and got the BSOD. I removed one stick of ram and it loaded fine. I also set the block mode of the hard drive from auto to large in the bios. Once windows was installed I put the second stick back in and changed the bios back an everything worked fine.
August 1, 2006 10:37:41 PM

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hmmm ive ran the memtest with the memory in each port.................
and in slot1 2 and 3 i recieved tones of errors emidietly!!! :( !!! but slot4 hasnt given me any error yet so far (its still running, and have ben running longer than in the previous slotts) .. what does this mean? that my notherboards ports are defect? or is it the ram?

... lets just say... i dont feel any smarter now than before :/ 

I would get some replacement RAM. I'd suspect the RAM before the motherboard RAM slots anyday.

A single stick of RAM should work fine in any of the slots.
August 1, 2006 10:38:16 PM

Quote:
LOL so many answers in such a short time...Everybody wants to help the swedish dameselle in distress..Next time I want help i'll know what to put in the header of the thread.. :lol: 



Can u prove you're a swedish dameselle in distress - By
posting a picture of yourself -- we got to keep this forum honest -
August 1, 2006 10:42:51 PM

if your so curious:p  i uploaded an avatar when i registered. dont know if it showes in my profile tho, says i have to make 100posts.

still no error showing up in ramslot4 gone 20 mins now
August 1, 2006 10:49:14 PM

Quote:
Can u prove you're a swedish dameselle in distress - By
posting a picture of yourself -- we got to keep this forum honest -


:trophy: I wanted to ask earlier but felt that, after another poster pointed out that she may also be from the bronx in sweat pants and nowhere near swedish, it wasn't that good of an idea.. :lol: 
August 1, 2006 10:51:33 PM

hihi now thats words from a real meanie :p 
August 1, 2006 11:29:45 PM

Definitely sounds like your RAM - you shouldn't get errors from memtest. If it was the slot it's likely it wouldn't work at all. Get it swapped out and try again.

Although ... one more idea - it's possible that the CPU is overheating. Go into the BIOS, find the bit that shows the CPU temperature and watch it to see if it goes up over time. If it does, you need to reseat the heatsink / fan on the CPU. A long shot, but it's possible, as this would cause weird errors and crashes some time after you start to install Windows as it gets too hot. Also - check that the fan is plugged in to the motherboard and is actually turning round?
August 1, 2006 11:34:14 PM

The cpu is at steady 41degrese, and the fan is turning ;) 

and the memtest has been dunning for over 1 hour now in slot4 without errors........tho in slot 1 2 and 3 it only took a couple of minutes.

if it is a faulty ram...... why dont i get errors in slot 4 but in the others? 8O
August 1, 2006 11:59:46 PM

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if your so curious:p  i uploaded an avatar when i registered. dont know if it showes in my profile tho, says i have to make 100posts.

still no error showing up in ramslot4 gone 20 mins now



I'm in love! :oops:  You're what dreams are made of.
Anyway, nice picture.

Hope you fix your problem.
August 2, 2006 12:04:30 AM

hmm this memtest seems to last forever.. its gone 2 hours now and still no error in slot4, ill keep it on over the night. will be intressting to check it out when i wake up, gnite all, and thx for the help
August 2, 2006 12:09:19 AM

Quote:
if your so curious:p  i uploaded an avatar when i registered. dont know if it showes in my profile tho, says i have to make 100posts.

still no error showing up in ramslot4 gone 20 mins now



I'm in love! :oops:  You're what dreams are made of.
Anyway, nice picture.

Hope you fix your problem.

OMFG!! 8O That can't be true...seriously...Only thing left to know...DO YOU PLAY GAMES?!

God next trip i'm leaving for sweden. Do you like beer?! ok i'll stop now..
August 2, 2006 12:15:22 AM

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hmm this memtest seems to last forever.. its gone 2 hours now and still no error in slot4, ill keep it on over the night. will be intressting to check it out when i wake up, gnite all, and thx for the help


Uh from memtest's website:
Quote:
Execution Time

The time required for a complete pass of Memtest86 will vary greatly depending on CPU speed, memory speed and memory size. Memtest86 executes indefinitely. The pass counter increments each time that all of the selected tests have been run. Generally a single pass is sufficient to catch all but the most obscure errors. However, for complete confidence when intermittent errors are suspected testing for a longer period is advised.


Well, if there aren't any errors on slot 4, then you can try installing windows. If more issues happen, we can either say its the RAM (which is rather suspect after failing in slots 1-3) or try to further diagnose it.

*cough* maybe some of the others could help out rather than stare at your picture... maybe you should have waited til they solved the problem first before giving them the pic :p  :p 
August 2, 2006 12:16:01 AM

I would guess it is probably low quality or faulty RAM.

Try installing Xp with the stick in slot 4. If you succeed then run something like cpuz to tell you what memory you have and what speed it is running.

If it looks ok then install a couple of apps and run the system for a day or so. At the end of this if all is well then dont worry about it.


If you start to get errors crashes or bsod's then return the RAM as faulty.
August 2, 2006 12:24:57 AM

Rofl dude..... if she is indeed a she and swedish then shes most likely beautiful, swedes are awesome. I cant wait for university in sweden. But back on topic id say it is your ram modules. It could also be a driver issue, have you updated your chipset drivers ?
August 2, 2006 12:37:26 AM

Istaria, I'm sure you are a blonde Swedish girl in distress, but I've learned from all this that I should be one too if I need help...!

Not to be mean, but other posters don't put their sex and hair color in their posts, you must have known your natural advantages might help you out!

:D 
August 2, 2006 12:40:41 AM

You all horny men... 8O
August 2, 2006 12:44:19 AM

It's probably the RAM (as many of the guys said already). You just got a very shitty brand of RAM. The fact that you got errors on Slot 1, 2 and 3 confirms this. There's no point in testing it anymore. Can you return the RAM? If not, you should start thinking in getting a new set.
Have a good night
August 2, 2006 12:56:36 AM

And what man isnt ?
August 2, 2006 1:04:21 AM

And what woman isn't?
August 2, 2006 1:14:48 AM

True everyone is in fact horney. It is awfully funney how this thread has turned from computers to sex. I hate to say this online, but istaria you are in fact beautiful.
August 2, 2006 2:02:32 AM

It was bound to, once a girl announced herself in a computer forum. Sad, but true. One day it won't matter who's asking for help...
August 2, 2006 10:51:47 AM

hi all, thx for all the replyes.

supremelaw, them advise you wrote gave me insight indeed, im goin to test them right away ;) 
August 2, 2006 1:07:15 PM

Quote:
i just bought a new AM2 setup containing:


- http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.php?artId=ASM2NS...
Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe nforce570
- http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.php?artId=1024DD...
A-Data 1024mb 667mhz (1module)
- http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.php?artId=ADA350...
AMD Athlon64 "Orleans" 3500+ 2.2GHz 512Kb Boxed (with cpu-cooler!) Socket AM2
- http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.php?artId=ASN660...
Nvidia 6600 grafic card
- http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.php?artId=WDR740...
WesternDigital 1000rpm 74gb
-520w PSU

now to the problem, i cant seem to install windows xp (i might be blond but i know how to do that :wink: )

ive testet 2 diffrent windows so far, xp pro sp1 and xp pro including sp1 and 2

i get the blue screen with diffrent error messages ever single time at random occations, they always apear when the "step by step" screen is up.

i managed to install it 1 time some how, but then i got error messages in every application (games-iexplorer etc) i ran aftar a random period of time.

im not realy good with computer parts, but i was thinking, since the motherboard ram sockets are dual ddr2, must i have 2 dual modules in order for it to work? cus i only have 1 stick on 667mhz 1024mb.

im realy clueless on what to do, pls help me :( 


Ok HONE!

It happens I am flying to Europe so I can stop in Sweden not a big deal! :)  For me it would be only 26 hours flight any way ... BLONDS are very smart girls but they do need a man whom
they would hold by the hand! :) 

I believe that blue color of RAM is better for blonds than the RED one!

Now making serious analysis:
First of all BE carefull with the board and your nails.
Do not press to hard you might either break the nail or scratch the printed circuits.
Well if you press to hard you might stretch the circuits and break the treads!


You are getting BLUE screen, so it is not as bed as it sounds.

Should your memory be bad your PC wouldn't POST and you would get beeps indicating that the memory is NOT recognized.

I want you to do for me another type of start up and we will be able to quicker isolate the problem.

Please download to your other PC:

Knoppix 5.01 and burn CD from the image.

Pop that CD in your NEW PC and boot your computer from CD.
During booting from that CD you could see quite a lot and it might help you pin point the problem.
Should your PC refuse to boot we will know that you have a problem and might know why.

Now before you boot it I want you to check one more time if all components are properly seated!
It happens that some might be incorrectly seated and the contact is not proper.

First of all check if your MoBo does not have any shorts due to mounting on the spacer to the case. Your MoBo shouldn't be screwed to tight also as this might create problems.

But despite you should be getting error BIPS before computer POST.
Pay attentions to sequence of bips as they would tell you what is wrong.
i.e 1 long and 3 short, or 3 short, or alternate sequence of the bips prior to POST or not POST.

Next think you need to properly set your BIOS, if the BIOS is not set properly you are going to get BSOD with error messages and unable to load your OS!
Verify that your RAM DDR2 667 is UNBUFERRED RAM!
Check wahat voltage should your RAM (unbuffered) operate (1.8 V? or higher)

NEXT you have 6 SATA 3Gb/s ports.

It is very important that you verify to which port your SATA drive is connected!

You need to check your MoBo manual to see to which port connect your boot drive. On some MoBo if your drive is NOT connected to proper SATA ports you might encounter problems with installation of OS, and get the message that windows did not recognized the hard disk drive.
Your Raptor is SATA 150 what it mean that the MoBo will default (backward compatible) from 3Gb/s to 150!

I do not know ASUS M2N-E board specific configuration opf SATA ports but I had a very similar experience once with MoBo.
ASUS boards frequently have problems with BIOS chip, which might be defective. In such case you might be also getting bips indicating that your MoBo might be defective and you might need to RMA your MoBo.

Now as far as memory, please check the MoBo installation instructions.
One stick of DDR2 RAM is ok, however the instruction manual will tell you in which slot to insert the RAM if it is one stick only!
Shoulds you put memory module in any other slot you might have "malfunction"! Some MoBo ASUS requires that RAM be placed in a specific slot, you can not just pop module in any slot.

A - Data Vitesta is a good RAM, but I am NOT shure if it is fully compatible with this board, altough it should be compatible

AMD recommended DDR2 RAM

Now you got AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (Orlean) well to bad you did not got X2 ! .. but to late now you bot it!

Now verify that your PS is correct and you plugged properly all 3 connectors:

1. 24-pin ATX Power connector
2. System panel connector
3. 4-pin ATX 12V Power connector

If any of conectors is not connected you might be having problem.

Now check jumpers if your DVD/CD drive is set corectly (Master / Slave)
I would avoid CS setting as it might be hard to POST!
Your Hard Disk is SATA 150 that is no problem.

NEXT ALWAYS RECHECK IF CPU FAN IS PROPERLY CONECTED BEFORE YOU FIRE UP YOUR CLANKER.

Than before the instalation of Win XP (preferably from CD with SP2) you must load the SATA drivers (RAID) from your MoBo CD (make floppies as per instruction). Otherwise the windows would not recognise SATA (RAID) drives.

Skave ... Skoll!

PS.

I like Calsberg and Tuborg! (Danish) :wink: )
August 2, 2006 5:24:18 PM

She says she knows how to install Windows XP, but you make a good point... if she has never built and AMD based XP machine she may not have thought of that since Intel doesn't need to do this.

Also, I haven't used MemTest before, but I'm just going to guess that you may not be getting an error in Slot 4 b/c that's the slot you have the memory installed in. Check your mobo's manual and make sure that it doesn't have specific slots that it prefers single DIMM's to be in... like slot 1 for instance. :) 
August 2, 2006 7:38:35 PM

hmmm as i am very inpatient with everything........ i went and bought a new motherboard from MSI.

*MSI K9N platinum nforce570

to bad i still get the same errors....... atleast, now i know that i have 2 fully working motherboards :lol: 

i have switched out everyother component but the Ram and CPU (we didnt have access to any)

is it very safe to say that i got a faulty ram?

thx everyone for helping out

regards
sandra
August 2, 2006 8:13:12 PM

well in that case it DEFINATLY sounds like a RAM issue... :( 
August 2, 2006 8:18:21 PM

Quote:
hmmm as i am very inpatient with everything........ i went and bought a new motherboard from MSI.

*MSI K9N platinum nforce570

to bad i still get the same errors....... atleast, now i know that i have 2 fully working motherboards :lol: 

i have switched out everyother component but the Ram and CPU (we didnt have access to any)

is it very safe to say that i got a faulty ram?

thx everyone for helping out

regards
sandra


No its not safe yet. Many, MANY AM2 motherboards right now have issues with non-micron IMC RAM, and it wouldn't surprise me that A-Data is one of those. Lots and lots of people have not been able to even get their boards to boot because of this issue.

The FIRST thing you need to do is upgrade the BIOS on the board you are using. Many of the manufacturers have already fixed the issues, so if you haven't done that yet, then its no wonder you're having problems. You'll need two floppies, one with a boot disk on it and one with the BIOS update file and the flashing program on it. Just follow the instructions in your motherboard manual.

I know for a FACT that Asus and Abit have both had this problem, and, at least for the SLI boards, they have fixed it in recent BIOS updates. Try that before you go RMA'ing parts.
August 2, 2006 8:21:48 PM

i have flashed my Asus board with the latest Bios, using their windows liveflash thingy. so i dont think its that... :( 
August 2, 2006 8:23:32 PM

Quote:
hmmm as i am very inpatient with everything........ i went and bought a new motherboard from MSI.

*MSI K9N platinum nforce570

to bad i still get the same errors....... atleast, now i know that i have 2 fully working motherboards :lol: 

i have switched out everyother component but the Ram and CPU (we didnt have access to any)

is it very safe to say that i got a faulty ram?

thx everyone for helping out



regards
sandra


No its not safe yet. Many, MANY AM2 motherboards right now have issues with non-micron IMC RAM, and it wouldn't surprise me that A-Data is one of those. Lots and lots of people have not been able to even get their boards to boot because of this issue.

The FIRST thing you need to do is upgrade the BIOS on the board you are using. Many of the manufacturers have already fixed the issues, so if you haven't done that yet, then its no wonder you're having problems. You'll need two floppies, one with a boot disk on it and one with the BIOS update file and the flashing program on it. Just follow the instructions in your motherboard manual.

I know for a FACT that Asus and Abit have both had this problem, and, at least for the SLI boards, they have fixed it in recent BIOS updates. Try that before you go RMA'ing parts.

what does "none-micron IMC ram mean? 8O
August 2, 2006 8:31:19 PM

Even still, I would not trust any RAM that failed in 3 slots.
As I indicated before, I'd distrust the RAM before the motherboard. I would get some more RAM to test it with. Get corsair or crucial or kingston or some bigger brand name.
August 2, 2006 8:44:20 PM

Quote:
Even still, I would not trust any RAM that failed in 3 slots.
As I indicated before, I'd distrust the RAM before the motherboard. I would get some more RAM to test it with. Get corsair or crucial or kingston or some bigger brand name.


Which will "magically" work and you'll say "oh, well my ram must be crap!" But this may not be the case. It could simply be a compatability issue that MANY have had and fixed once the BIOS was updated.

Istaria: Sorry, mistyped, I meant to say IC, as in integrated circuit. Micron makes a lot of IC chips, especially for the "bigger" brand names. If you want to read OCZ's take on the issue, check this out:

http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22133...

That's the official OCZ support forum. It clearly mentions BIOS updates fixing the issues for both MSI and Asus motherboards, so I recommend you try that before you go spending more money on RAM you can't send back. I know its not the same brand, but just give it a shot. If that doesn't work, then you should probably send the RAM back.

Good luck!
August 2, 2006 8:53:48 PM

Quote:
i just bought a new AM2 setup containing:


- http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.php?artId=ASM2NS...
Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe nforce570
- http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.php?artId=1024DD...
A-Data 1024mb 667mhz (1module)
- http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.php?artId=ADA350...
AMD Athlon64 "Orleans" 3500+ 2.2GHz 512Kb Boxed (with cpu-cooler!) Socket AM2
- http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.php?artId=ASN660...
Nvidia 6600 grafic card
- http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.php?artId=WDR740...
WesternDigital 1000rpm 74gb
-520w PSU

now to the problem, i cant seem to install windows xp (i might be blond but i know how to do that :wink: )

ive testet 2 diffrent windows so far, xp pro sp1 and xp pro including sp1 and 2

i get the blue screen with diffrent error messages ever single time at random occations, they always apear when the "step by step" screen is up.

i managed to install it 1 time some how, but then i got error messages in every application (games-iexplorer etc) i ran aftar a random period of time.

im not realy good with computer parts, but i was thinking, since the motherboard ram sockets are dual ddr2, must i have 2 dual modules in order for it to work? cus i only have 1 stick on 667mhz 1024mb.

im realy clueless on what to do, pls help me :( 


I really think its your memory...Corsair brand memory and Asus motherbords work great together...
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