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August 2, 2006 1:59:01 PM

Hey guys. Earlier I posted some stuff about raid but I've decided not to use RAID. My system is currently:

ZALMAN VF900-CU VIDEOCARD HEATPIPE GPU COOLER
(VF900-CU)
Price: $42.23 Quantity: $42.23
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

Zalman Ultra Quiet LED CPU Cooler
(CNPS7000B-Cu LED)
Price: $43.26 Quantity: $43.26
Availability: Available While Supplies Last

Western Digital 250GB 7200rpm 16MB RAID Edition
(WD2500YD)
Price: $105.06 Quantity: 2 $210.12
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

INTEL Pentium D E6400 2.13GHz FSB1066MHz 2MB LGA775 Dual-Core
Price: $301.79 Quantity: $301.79
Availability: Coming Soon Accepting Back Order

eVGA GeForce 7900GT CO 256MB DDR3 - 500 MHz GPU - 1500 MHz Memory
(256-P2-N563-AX)
Price: $400.67 Quantity: $400.67
Availability: Please Call for Stock

OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC2-6400 Dual Channel Gold XTC
(OCZ2G8002GK)
Price: $307.97 Quantity: $307.97
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ANTEC P180 Advanced Super Mid Tower Silver
(P180)
Price: $153.47 Quantity: $153.47
Availability: In Stock

OCZ GameXStream Power Supply (SLI Ready) 600W
(OCZ600GXSSLI)
Price: $143.17 Quantity: $143.17
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

NEC 16x Dual layer Black Bulk Pack
(ND-3550A-BK0A)
Price: $46.87 Quantity: $46.87
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ASUS INTEL 975X 3PCI/2PCI-E X16/2PCI-E X1 D.GB LAN
(P5W DH DELUXE)
Price: $287.37 Quantity: $287.37
Availability: Please Call for Stock

Total:
$1,936.92


Any advice on this system is greatly appreciated. However, my main question is what to do with hard drives. Currently, I have just picked two 250GB WD hard drives but this is temporary. The system must be under 2000 dollars. Please help me pick a hard drive. I would like at least 70 gigs of space but more would be nice. The 150 gig Raptor looked nice but that's squeezing my budget. However, if it's worth I'm willing to pay the extra money to buy it.
Thanks in advance.
August 2, 2006 2:26:25 PM

Get 2 300 gig HDD's in raid configuration. Some of the prices you have are kinda high...

Corsair XMS2 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 Dual Channel Memory, DDR2 800 (PC2-6400), 240-Pin, Model: TWIN2X2048-6400

get that, only around 200 bucks, saves you a hundred bucks, and its a better OC'er.

Also, check out www.Directron.com Their prices are usually cheaper than others. I go to them for everything I need. And, get the Arctice Cooling Freezer 7 pro. Best HSF for LGA775.
August 2, 2006 2:44:45 PM

Are you kidding me?
A pentium D, and a 7900gt on a 2k budget?
:p 
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August 2, 2006 3:26:18 PM

Two of these will do you nicely.

As for the rest of the build, you made some poor choices. If you have a 2000 dollar budget, you can build a much better system. Examples of where you went wrong are shown in bold:

Quote:

INTEL Pentium D E6400 2.13GHz FSB1066MHz 2MB LGA775 Dual-Core
Price: $301.79 Quantity: $301.79
Availability: Coming Soon Accepting Back Order

eVGA GeForce 7900GT CO 256MB DDR3 - 500 MHz GPU - 1500 MHz Memory
(256-P2-N563-AX)
Price: $400.67 Quantity: $400.67
Availability: Please Call for Stock

OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC2-6400 Dual Channel Gold XTC
(OCZ2G8002GK)
Price: $307.97 Quantity: $307.97
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ANTEC P180 Advanced Super Mid Tower Silver
(P180)
Price: $153.47 Quantity: $153.47
Availability: In Stock

ASUS INTEL 975X 3PCI/2PCI-E X16/2PCI-E X1 D.GB LAN
(P5W DH DELUXE)
Price: $287.37 Quantity: $287.37
Availability: Please Call for Stock


Just because an item has the highest price doesn't mean it has the highest value. Some of these items (or equivalents) can be found at 1/3-1/2 the prices you listed.
August 2, 2006 3:39:05 PM

Hey again. Sorry for the confusion but this is Canadian dollars which is probably why some of the prices seem high.

In response to Doughbuy, the XMS memory was an option, however my local dealer does not have it for some odd reason. However, depending on the situation, I might actually order my RAM from a different place so the XMS may turn out to be my choice. In terms of RAID, are you suggesting RAID 0. I am highly unfamiliar with RAID and would have no clue how to set it up.

In response to mulciber. I never noticed the Pentium D, that must be a mistake but it is actually the Conroe E6400.

In response to qwertycopter, that hard drive was what I was leading towards because of prozac26's comment. As for your comment on the rest of the system, remember that this is Canadian dollars which amounts to about 1600 american with tax. If you still think the system is poorly chosen please guide me towards a better build.

Thanks in advance and I hope to hear your replies soon.
August 2, 2006 4:08:11 PM

177ine im running raptors in raid 0. its not that hard to set up either. the speed is amazing. very quick loads for both windows and games and if you have 2gb of ram with ya then oblivion loads are about 3-4 seconds when going into brand new places. wandering loads you dont even notice. i have been very happy with my Raptos and do reccommend them who has the $$ around.
August 2, 2006 4:09:56 PM

Quote:
Hey guys. Earlier I posted some stuff about raid but I've decided not to use RAID. My system is currently:

ZALMAN VF900-CU VIDEOCARD HEATPIPE GPU COOLER
(VF900-CU)
Price: $42.23 Quantity: $42.23
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

Zalman Ultra Quiet LED CPU Cooler
(CNPS7000B-Cu LED)
Price: $43.26 Quantity: $43.26
Availability: Available While Supplies Last

Western Digital 250GB 7200rpm 16MB RAID Edition
(WD2500YD)
Price: $105.06 Quantity: 2 $210.12
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

INTEL Pentium D E6400 2.13GHz FSB1066MHz 2MB LGA775 Dual-Core
Price: $301.79 Quantity: $301.79
Availability: Coming Soon Accepting Back Order

eVGA GeForce 7900GT CO 256MB DDR3 - 500 MHz GPU - 1500 MHz Memory
(256-P2-N563-AX)
Price: $400.67 Quantity: $400.67
Availability: Please Call for Stock

OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC2-6400 Dual Channel Gold XTC
(OCZ2G8002GK)
Price: $307.97 Quantity: $307.97
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ANTEC P180 Advanced Super Mid Tower Silver
(P180)
Price: $153.47 Quantity: $153.47
Availability: In Stock

OCZ GameXStream Power Supply (SLI Ready) 600W
(OCZ600GXSSLI)
Price: $143.17 Quantity: $143.17
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

NEC 16x Dual layer Black Bulk Pack
(ND-3550A-BK0A)
Price: $46.87 Quantity: $46.87
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ASUS INTEL 975X 3PCI/2PCI-E X16/2PCI-E X1 D.GB LAN
(P5W DH DELUXE)
Price: $287.37 Quantity: $287.37
Availability: Please Call for Stock

Total:
$1,936.92


Any advice on this system is greatly appreciated. However, my main question is what to do with hard drives. Currently, I have just picked two 250GB WD hard drives but this is temporary. The system must be under 2000 dollars. Please help me pick a hard drive. I would like at least 70 gigs of space but more would be nice. The 150 gig Raptor looked nice but that's squeezing my budget. However, if it's worth I'm willing to pay the extra money to buy it.
Thanks in advance.


Raptors at this time in age, are not worth it. Like prozac said the 7200.10 is probably one of the best. You should change up your 7900GTKO to just a 7900GT, only difference between them is a bigger GPU cooler, and maybe a little higher clock speed. Buy just a regular 7900GT, and use the rest for a E6600 with 2x2MB cache = 4MB cache. I think you would be surprised with the results.
August 2, 2006 4:10:53 PM

nevermind, you bought everything already.
August 2, 2006 4:16:33 PM

Lol, no I didn't. My dealer only had the EVGA CO 7900gt, if I don't get this one, which other brand do you suggest I go for?

After getting rid of some stuff and modifying my system I came up with this:#

Product:
Quantity:
Total:

BFG GeForce® 7900 GT OC 256MB GDDR3 Core 475MHz Memory 1360MHz
(BFGR79256GTOCE)
Price: $345.05 Quantity: $345.05

OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC2-6400 Dual Channel Gold XTC
(OCZ2G8002GK)
Price: $307.97 Quantity: $307.97
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

INTEL Pentium D E6600 2.4GHz FSB1066MHz 4MB LGA775 Dual-Core
Price: $421.27 Quantity: $421.27
Availability: Coming Soon Accepting Back Order

Zalman CPU Cooler Copper-Core Fan Speed Controller Retail
(CNPS7700-CU)
Price: $50.47 Quantity: $50.47
Availability: Available While Supplies Last

OCZ GameXStream Power Supply (SLI Ready) 600W
(OCZ600GXSSLI)
Price: $143.17 Quantity: $143.17
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ANTEC P180B Advanced Super Mid Tower BLACK
(P180B)
Price: $153.47 Quantity: $153.47
Availability: In Stock

NEC 16x Dual layer Black Bulk Pack
(ND-3550A-BK0A)
Price: $46.87 Quantity: $93.74
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ASUS INTEL 975X 3PCI/2PCI-E X16/2PCI-E X1 D.GB LAN
(P5W DH DELUXE)
Price: $287.37 Quantity: $287.37
Availability: Please Call for Stock

Total:
$1,827.23


That leaves me with . . .bout 180 canadian to do with hard drives. What would be a good hard drive choice in this situation?


EDIT: changed the ASUS card for the BFG one.
August 2, 2006 4:50:30 PM

Putting my OS and my games on a 74 gig raptor cut my Battlefield 2 level load times in half, at least, even on my ancient P4 system. Totally worth it in my opinion. The drive is very noisy, however.
August 2, 2006 7:01:08 PM

I agree with Doughbuy: get a pair of 250-300 GB SATA drives, set them up in RAID 1 (not RAID 0!), and you'll see sustained read speeds faster than a single Raptor, plus you'll have automatic data backup. The board you've selected has a number of different RAID setup options, including an "EZ-BACKUP" quick RAID 1 setup -- just follow the instructions carefully.
August 2, 2006 8:32:24 PM

Raid 1 is where one drive copies what's on the other right? If so, I'll get two 320 gb Seagate .10 drives.
August 3, 2006 3:41:57 AM

keep in mind if you do raid 1 you buy two hard drives and only get the space of one. its usually only reccommended for businesses and other people who want data redundency. for the average person its a waste of the value of the other hdd.
August 3, 2006 5:40:13 AM

Quote:
... for the average person its a waste of the value of the other hdd.

Well, it can double data read throughput. So, the question is, is doubling read throughput and data safety worth the cost of the extra drive? At $70-80/drive (for 300GB or so), I'd say it is, but YMMV.
August 3, 2006 6:13:57 AM

I find the raptors to be worth the price, to me.
My single 320gb WD drive has nothing to set against my
2x36gb raptor raid when I'm unpacking files moving/reading etc.

If I do more than one thing on the 320 it's slow as god knows what..
Copying two files at the same time takes at least four times as long as two files one by one etc.

Raptors are the opposite, I can do a bunch of stuff at the same time without noticing any increased delays..

Some complain about their sound levels though, but I can't even hear mine really..

All up to how much harddrive speeds you feel you'll need I suppose.
A single 36 doesn't perform amazing alone however, good, but these drives are built to work together..
August 3, 2006 6:44:01 AM

Quote:
...
My single 320gb WD drive has nothing to set against my
2x36gb raptor raid when I'm unpacking files moving/reading etc.
...

"Raptor Raid Reads/(W)rites At A Rapid Rate" = RRRRAARR!
:lol: 
August 3, 2006 3:50:58 PM

Quote:
Lol, no I didn't. My dealer only had the EVGA CO 7900gt, if I don't get this one, which other brand do you suggest I go for?

After getting rid of some stuff and modifying my system I came up with this:#

Product:
Quantity:
Total:

BFG GeForce® 7900 GT OC 256MB GDDR3 Core 475MHz Memory 1360MHz
(BFGR79256GTOCE)
Price: $345.05 Quantity: $345.05

OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC2-6400 Dual Channel Gold XTC
(OCZ2G8002GK)
Price: $307.97 Quantity: $307.97
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

INTEL Pentium D E6600 2.4GHz FSB1066MHz 4MB LGA775 Dual-Core
Price: $421.27 Quantity: $421.27
Availability: Coming Soon Accepting Back Order

Zalman CPU Cooler Copper-Core Fan Speed Controller Retail
(CNPS7700-CU)
Price: $50.47 Quantity: $50.47
Availability: Available While Supplies Last

OCZ GameXStream Power Supply (SLI Ready) 600W
(OCZ600GXSSLI)
Price: $143.17 Quantity: $143.17
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ANTEC P180B Advanced Super Mid Tower BLACK
(P180B)
Price: $153.47 Quantity: $153.47
Availability: In Stock

NEC 16x Dual layer Black Bulk Pack
(ND-3550A-BK0A)
Price: $46.87 Quantity: $93.74
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ASUS INTEL 975X 3PCI/2PCI-E X16/2PCI-E X1 D.GB LAN
(P5W DH DELUXE)
Price: $287.37 Quantity: $287.37
Availability: Please Call for Stock

Total:
$1,827.23


That leaves me with . . .bout 180 canadian to do with hard drives. What would be a good hard drive choice in this situation?


EDIT: changed the ASUS card for the BFG one.


I would go with either the 7900GT or the x1800xt, or if you can afford it, go for the x1900xt. As for harddrives, get the Seagate 7200.10 320GB harddrive, you dont really need the raptor at this time and age. It may increase performance, but they are a waste and suppose to be loud. But whatever floats your boat man.
August 4, 2006 1:41:55 AM

Just some alliteration...
August 4, 2006 2:26:06 AM

Hang on, Pentium D e6400?

Do you mean Core 2 Duo e6400? Thats not a pentium anything :p 
August 4, 2006 3:26:46 AM

Sure Raptors are worth it. It's all about percentages.
Speed is where it's at. Personally....I just bought 2X320 Seagate 7200.10...for 95 apeice shipped.

Also picked up a MSI7900gt from Clubit.com for 249.99 with a 30$rebate=219.99...next day they jumped to 285.

got an Ultra connect 500 watt modular PSU for 59.99-40 rebate=19.99

The deals are out there...if you are patient...but that is the hardest thing right now..

I want a general purpose machine that is a screamer. Raptors are really good for Benchmarking and one upping your friends but I need more space than they can provide.

If your going to be using the machine for gaming, burning, compressing, decoding, ripping...and other such things then go for the big 7200rpm 16meg cache drives....also SATA2. other wise go for the raptor.

Your maching with a core 2 Duo will be faster than anything that you had before.

I intend to use water cooling with the Coolermaster r120 which is around 75$. 10-20 more than a Zalman Air but worth it.....with few hassles.

Sorry about the ramble.....but be fruggle for the moment.....if you order RAM before you get your board......make sure you can test it....people have been having problems with campatibility....and there should be alot of Core2 Duo product getting ready to flood the market.

Don't pull the trigger until you have all the right peices.
Good luck
August 4, 2006 5:18:40 AM

There is another thing about Raptors to eb aware of. Modern drives of all brands only last 1-2 years anymore, and the Raptors are spinning even faster than normal...

They use these in business almost exclusively in raid arrays with SQL servers and the like. Replacing a drive every so often is not even a problem for them, afterall.
August 4, 2006 5:28:23 AM

dont mean to be rude but your wrong about modern drives only lasting 1-2 years.

if that was true why would seagate put 5 year warrantees on their products?

and in reguards to speed. i know of 15K scsi drives that were bought oem and have been running for 3 years with no problems.

1-2 years MAYBE on old maxtors but thats it (and yes i realize that maxtor was bought out by seagate). WD is second only to seagate on marketshare and there is a reason for that, they make quality products.
August 4, 2006 6:03:46 AM

Deffinately get a SATA drive, not an IDE/ATA drive

But dont worry about SATA or SATA2, like knight said. SATA2 doesnt make the drive any faster, it is just a faster connection. Not even the raptors need SATA 2, so a typical 7800 drive will be perfectly fine in SATA1. If you were going to raid together more then 2 drives, I have heard it is beneficial to have SATA2 under SOME circumstances, but I have heard that only once, so IDK.

Also, don't worry about the "dangers" of raid zero. It makes you FAR more likely to lose data, but you will probably have all of your important files backed up anyways. I have never had a hdd crash on me. I always just buy a new one becaues the old one gets to small. You probably wont use your hdds long enough to have any data loss in RAID 0.
August 4, 2006 6:27:34 AM

Gotta agree here, I've got dozens of 10k and 15k scsi drives that have run for many years, some as much as 7 24/7 with no probs. Raptors are basically scsi drives, they will last a LONG time if properly handled (as will almost all drives for that matter). Speed of rotation has little to do with failure rate, the head servo's are usually what go first, or the heads themselves.

I'd go with a couple 320's also, wd in my world though. Put them in RAID0 and do backups, though I've never had one fail (got 4 in a RAID5 running 8 months so far no probs). I have samsung spinpoint 250's in my gaming rig and they are almost as fast as raptors in the important benchmarks, not i/o serving :) 
August 4, 2006 7:28:59 AM

Quote:
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1-2 years MAYBE on old maxtors but thats it (and yes i realize that maxtor was bought out by seagate). WD is second only to seagate on marketshare and there is a reason for that, they make quality products.

OTOH, I have used mostly Maxtors and Hitachi/IBM and have never had one fail, while my Western Digital experiences have not been good, which is why I have stayed away from them in recent years.
Chances are extremely good that whatever drive you get, it won't fail on you (unless you mistreat it).
August 4, 2006 1:50:29 PM

well im glad that at lest someone has had good experience with maxtors... they are the only drives i have had fail and there have been 3-4 of em now. they went 5 or so years before kicking the bucket but thats compared to 10 yr old WDs ive pulled out of crap old compys.

ill agree that MOST modern hdds are good nowadays. the tech has been around long enough to be polished. my guess if you do end up with a bad one its just bad luck.
August 4, 2006 2:37:28 PM

Quote:
Hey guys. Earlier I posted some stuff about raid but I've decided not to use RAID. My system is currently:

ZALMAN VF900-CU VIDEOCARD HEATPIPE GPU COOLER
(VF900-CU)
Price: $42.23 Quantity: $42.23
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

Zalman Ultra Quiet LED CPU Cooler
(CNPS7000B-Cu LED)
Price: $43.26 Quantity: $43.26
Availability: Available While Supplies Last

Western Digital 250GB 7200rpm 16MB RAID Edition
(WD2500YD)
Price: $105.06 Quantity: 2 $210.12
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

INTEL Pentium D E6400 2.13GHz FSB1066MHz 2MB LGA775 Dual-Core
Price: $301.79 Quantity: $301.79
Availability: Coming Soon Accepting Back Order

eVGA GeForce 7900GT CO 256MB DDR3 - 500 MHz GPU - 1500 MHz Memory
(256-P2-N563-AX)
Price: $400.67 Quantity: $400.67
Availability: Please Call for Stock

OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC2-6400 Dual Channel Gold XTC
(OCZ2G8002GK)
Price: $307.97 Quantity: $307.97
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ANTEC P180 Advanced Super Mid Tower Silver
(P180)
Price: $153.47 Quantity: $153.47
Availability: In Stock

OCZ GameXStream Power Supply (SLI Ready) 600W
(OCZ600GXSSLI)
Price: $143.17 Quantity: $143.17
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

NEC 16x Dual layer Black Bulk Pack
(ND-3550A-BK0A)
Price: $46.87 Quantity: $46.87
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ASUS INTEL 975X 3PCI/2PCI-E X16/2PCI-E X1 D.GB LAN
(P5W DH DELUXE)
Price: $287.37 Quantity: $287.37
Availability: Please Call for Stock

Total:
$1,936.92


Any advice on this system is greatly appreciated. However, my main question is what to do with hard drives. Currently, I have just picked two 250GB WD hard drives but this is temporary. The system must be under 2000 dollars. Please help me pick a hard drive. I would like at least 70 gigs of space but more would be nice. The 150 gig Raptor looked nice but that's squeezing my budget. However, if it's worth I'm willing to pay the extra money to buy it.
Thanks in advance.


Just a hint to ALL Canadians on this forum, if you want the BEST prices frome one place, go to NCIX website and pick out all your parts...open 2 web browsers and one link to www.cancomputer.com and the other to www.pccanada.com and simply find the lowest prices on each and every item, then NCIX will price match...its that simple! :D 
August 4, 2006 4:57:09 PM

I don't need a lot of space and I knew that I wanted a fast drive without buying SCSI. I have an 80Gig in my system now and just got a Raptor WD1600ADFD-75NLR1 (new from Ebay $205 shipped).

To be fair in this comparison, I think that when I first ran this benchmark a year ago with a fresh XP install, I believe that the 80Gig did 14.5 MB/s. I even emptied about half of the drive and defraged, but came up with the same speeds this time.

WD800BB-32BSA0 ATA Drive (O/S drive)
Random access: 13.6ms
CPU utilization: 45% (+/- 2%)
Average read: 3.5MB/s

WD1600ADFD SATA150 Drive (just formatted)
Random access 8.2ms
CPU utilization: 4% (+/- 2%)
Average read: 76.5 MB/s

Benchmark with HD Tach Ver. 3.0.1.0

Computer: P4 3.0GHz 1meg cache
Intel 875 motherboard
1Gig RAM
4600ti AGP Video
August 4, 2006 5:17:06 PM

Wow, I never thought about that. Could save a couple of hundred. How long does it take them to actually make the price match by the way?
August 4, 2006 5:57:09 PM

Quote:
Wow, I never thought about that. Could save a couple of hundred. How long does it take them to actually make the price match by the way?


I think it takes like 48 hours...check their site and happy shopping! :) 

I just ordered (July 31):

Antec NSK4400 w/380W PSU
Asus M2N-E Mobo
XFX Geforce 7600 GT XXX
Creative X-Fi Xtreme Music
Corsair XMS2 PC26400 2x1GB RAM
Seagate 320GB S-ATA2 HDD w/NCQ
Samsung Lightscribe DVD Burner
$1192 Tax and Shipped!
-------------------------------------------------
Ordered Athlon 64 X2 4400+ (AM2) from www.pccanada.com
$274.99+SH,Tx
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Only thing I need to do now is get an extra fan, and maybe a more heavy duty PSU, then I ought to be all set! :) 
August 4, 2006 6:31:06 PM

HMMM.

When you use raid 1 it mirrors to the other HDD instantanty. You get no speed increase, only data redundency.


raptors are worth it.

But you can get a SATA II HDD with 16mb buffer and 300mbps and it be as fast as a raptor 75GB. ( I own both :-) .


For more bang for your buck. i would recommed the Western digital HDD with 16mb buffer and 300mbps. For more money, get the 150GB raptor, its faster than the 75gb one.
August 4, 2006 9:02:14 PM

Quote:
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When you use raid 1 it mirrors to the other HDD instantanty. You get no speed increase, only data redundency.

For *writes* you are correct. However, for *reads*, the controller just reads 1/2 the total from *each* drive, leading to a 2x increase in *sustained* read speed (since the rate limit is the data transfer from platter-to-head).
August 5, 2006 1:28:23 AM

Quote:
I don't need a lot of space and I knew that I wanted a fast drive without buying SCSI. I have an 80Gig in my system now and just got a Raptor WD1600ADFD-75NLR1 (new from Ebay $205 shipped).

To be fair in this comparison, I think that when I first ran this benchmark a year ago with a fresh XP install, I believe that the 80Gig did 14.5 MB/s. I even emptied about half of the drive and defraged, but came up with the same speeds this time.

WD800BB-32BSA0 ATA Drive (O/S drive)
Random access: 13.6ms
CPU utilization: 45% (+/- 2%)
Average read: 3.5MB/s

WD1600ADFD SATA150 Drive (just formatted)
Random access 8.2ms
CPU utilization: 4% (+/- 2%)
Average read: 76.5 MB/s

Benchmark with HD Tach Ver. 3.0.1.0

Computer: P4 3.0GHz 1meg cache
Intel 875 motherboard
1Gig RAM
4600ti AGP Video


I think you have it set to pio mode 1 or something, that is stupidly bad! I have 10GB WD's that are 5 times that fast.

I have a couple raid 1's on wd800bb's and they are quick enough for everything they need to do, I'll bench them and see how they do, but I KNOW it's not THAT slow!
August 5, 2006 1:31:00 AM

you are the ONLY one in this thread who would bother to buy a second hdd just for read speads while not getting any extra storage space.

the ONLY reason to go raid 1 over raid 0 is redundency. and you can get the data security just from backing up your most important files on a seperate HDD or DVD's.

its not worth the extra $$.

go raid 0 for speed and backup the important stuff.
August 5, 2006 1:33:24 AM

One He!! Yeah to that from me!
August 5, 2006 1:48:47 AM

Ahh didnt know that. That is good to now. i still wouldnt worry about raid 1 other than data redundancy. Use either a raptor or if you cant afford it get a 300mb/ps HDD with 16mb buffer on it.
August 5, 2006 1:53:56 AM

Quote:
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the ONLY reason to go raid 1 over raid 0 is redundency.

Exactly right. I was addressing the issue of 7200rpm drive RAID vs a single Raptor.
Quote:

and you can get the data security just from backing up your most important files on a seperate HDD or DVD's.

its not worth the extra $$.

For some people this is fine. Since you would lose everything done since the last backup, and backups are typically done overnight, for others losing everything done since the previous day is not acceptable (or at least they are willing to pay $80-RAID 1 or $160-RAID 0+1 in order to prevent it).

These issues are always a cost/benefit tradeoff where everyone has to choose their own tradeoff point.
August 5, 2006 4:30:23 AM

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For some people this is fine. Since you would lose everything done since the last backup, and backups are typically done overnight, for others losing everything done since the previous day is not acceptable


my mistake here i was using the word backup more loosely than that. for instance... look at my sig. i have 4 hdds NONE of my important data is on the raid. just os games and programs... my docs is on another hdd (you get the idea) this is what i mean by backup. run your programs an OS off a raid and keep the data on a safer media. its the best of both worlds. i get the storage space and the speed. this is why i only have the 36 GB raptors and not larger ones.

i didnt mean for 177 to buy backup software or anything just to hold important data on a different media. 177 hasnt stated any need for special backup software OR data redundency hence i keep pressing raid 0.
August 5, 2006 7:52:31 AM

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... run your programs an OS off a raid and keep the data on a safer media. its the best of both worlds. ...

That's an excellent point. With all the SATA headers on modern MBs, it's easy and cheap to set up multiple specialized storage "units" on the same system.
August 5, 2006 5:59:25 PM

I always just buy a new one becaues the old one gets to small. You probably wont use your hdds long enough to have any data loss in RAID 0.

Which is why they have a five year warranty. It's like Hyundai - so few people actually use it for the full ten years(and it only covers the engine and drivetrain out to that long anyways).

As for redundancy, the fact is that if your primary OS drive blows up, you have to reinstall EVERYTHING - thank Microsoft for still using the registry kludge(on Mac or Unix you can literally copy the files back over and go).

Then there's the fact that you'll loose at least a few weeks of email unless you backup every few days. But what does that backup cost you in time and money(say, for a tape drive or all of those DVDs and cases?)

It took me over three DAYS to reinstall my data and I only lost a couple percent - it was all backed up. It took about a week to get the system up and stable again, all told.

$80 and forget about it. Not even one day's salary for 90%+ of us here. If one drive dies, you can run it by itself or drop a new one in. Your choice. Since most good motherboards support more than two SATA drives, it's silly easy to add in a big storage drive for downloads and games and so on - no raid at all.

And, the reality is that write speeds are kind of moot, to be honest. It's like DVDs - 90% of the speed you need is in the reading(though waiting sucks, I'm talking from a useability standpoint - DVDs won't play at 4x, afterall)). Even file transfers don't push the write limits of most drives - we just don't generate enough data (barring a SQL server or some nonsense). So RAID 1 is a good option versus a single Raptor. A bit more space(say, 250gig total) and games and bootup and so on are lightning fast.
August 5, 2006 9:04:39 PM

dude, that cooler wont do that card. raptors are good for games but id get a cheetah rather than a raptor... and its better to get the atis cus they have newer tech and for the same price come in 512mb pacages, which translates into a longer term of use (in high graphics settings). if the pc is a now pc then yeah nvidia is good, but if you want a pc for now and then (more tiemof usage as in, longer high performance life) get 512MB...
yeah
Ive used mostly seagate and they have never failed, plus they run very cool and quiet, very quiet.
August 6, 2006 1:33:07 AM

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nice 100th post there. :wink: i was like wtf?! ooooo....

you couldve at least tried. :evil: 
August 6, 2006 1:41:47 AM

plekto did you read my post?

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... run your programs an OS off a raid and keep the data on a safer media. its the best of both worlds. ...


i nuked my OS this morning and im back to where i was yesterday in few hours (with the exception of games but i have the saves)... i dont have to do backups i just save my new data on different hdds.

no limited storage from raid 1, no dvd or tape backups, no backup software. simple... i even save the .exe's of my installers on my 300 GB.
August 6, 2006 1:55:02 AM

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WD800BB-32BSA0 ATA Drive (O/S drive)
Random access: 13.6ms
CPU utilization: 45% (+/- 2%)
Average read: 3.5MB/s

WD1600ADFD SATA150 Drive (just formatted)
Random access 8.2ms
CPU utilization: 4% (+/- 2%)
Average read: 76.5 MB/s


decided to bench my raptors raid 0 (OS drives). benched with everest ultimate ed.

using MadRackle there as a reference.

August 6, 2006 4:33:17 AM

Nah, nah, nah-nah, nah, my two Samsung Spinpoint SP2504C 250's in RAID0 on NVRAID are faster than your raptors :)  (probably worse on non synth benchies, but I had to post this!)

August 6, 2006 6:39:59 PM

umm... wow... im surprised. 8O well i wonder why that is??? well perhaps there is a new ULi raid driver or someting...

Michaelahess you ruined my day! :cry: 

well we can at least conclude that raid 0 screams! :twisted:
August 6, 2006 7:20:38 PM

Raptors are good but pricey and I have two 74Gb in raid 0. fast!
August 6, 2006 8:36:05 PM

They certainly do! I'd also check if windows is doing write-though or write-back, that could affect speeds like that. Also the benchmark makes a huge difference, try hdtach and see what you get.
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