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August 3, 2006 5:14:33 PM

i just built a new comp and i cant get a picture.
the case, the mobo, fans, graphics card fans, and cpu fans all go on but i get no picture

i have a pentium 805 cpu (not oc'ed)
an xfx 7900GT
an Asus P5ND2-SLI mobo
my old hard drive from a 2000 gateway
a sony dvd drive
and a xion case
and i have a LG Flatron 19" Monitor

i could really use some help
and thanks in andvance

EDIT: o and i have 1 GB of gigaram

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August 3, 2006 5:28:36 PM

Do you hear any beeps? Any messages on the screen (ie. error: no signal)? Make sure the monitor has power... :roll:
August 3, 2006 5:37:43 PM

all the cables are connected
the only time i hear beeps is when its on 115 on the red switch
and the only messages i see on the screen are Analog power saving mode
and yes the monitor has power
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August 3, 2006 5:42:59 PM

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all the cables are connected
the only time i hear beeps is when its on 115 on the red switch
and the only messages i see on the screen are Analog power saving mode
and yes the monitor has power


THat mesg is from your monitor. Im guessing its either ur video card or on of your chipsets on the mobo that deals with video has been fooked. Also make sure your power supply is adequate for your video card, just bc it turns on doesnt mean it works(the fan that is)
August 3, 2006 5:43:34 PM

Its probably your OLD hard drive if you are using that drive as your BOOT drive. It likely still has information regarding your OLD rig (chipset drivers, etc) and its causing issues. I would format the drive, then install the OS and chipset drivers fresh. I am saying this because I read a post just like yours about 2 weeks ago and that was the problem (the person tried to use the old hard drive for the boot drive). So my suggestion is derived from a similar problem.

You could also go purchase a new harddrive and use that for the boot drive and still keep your old drive as a slave if there is data on there you need to keep.

Hope this helps.
August 3, 2006 5:46:30 PM

i have a 600w psu so i think its not the psu
and how do you format a drive (that i dont even have access to)
and the reason i didnt buy a new HDD is cause i dont have enough money to go out and purchase a new OS

EDIT: and wat would be one of the chipsets that deal with video on my mobo?
August 3, 2006 5:53:35 PM

well i cant use a CD cause the cd drive wont open for some reason
August 3, 2006 5:54:46 PM

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Its probably your OLD hard drive if you are using that drive as your BOOT drive. It likely still has information regarding your OLD rig (chipset drivers, etc) and its causing issues. I would format the drive, then install the OS and chipset drivers fresh. I am saying this because I read a post just like yours about 2 weeks ago and that was the problem (the person tried to use the old hard drive for the boot drive). So my suggestion is derived from a similar problem.

You could also go purchase a new harddrive and use that for the boot drive and still keep your old drive as a slave if there is data on there you need to keep.

Hope this helps.

false
He doesnt even get a BIOS screen so its not the HDD. I once booted witha faulty HDD and it went past BIOS into windows. Its the gfx card or the mobo chipset.


The chip is the northbridge i think chip.
August 3, 2006 6:00:45 PM

no it has power
so should i rma both mobo and gfx card?
August 3, 2006 6:10:12 PM

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no it has power
so should i rma both mobo and gfx card?


does ur mobo has onboard gfx? if so test it without ur gfx card. Do u have anyway of testing ur gfx card in someone elses computer? I once scratched the top of the mobo northbridge chip and the graphics wouldnt work.
August 3, 2006 6:20:17 PM

Yep.. as Prozac said, hopefully you have your OS CD and your boot sequence is CD first (you can change your bios to try and boot to CD first if its not). So, (hope I get this right)
1) Insert Operating system (OS) cd
2) turn on PC

Follow the steps here (yes, this is not the best tutorial but its one I found when I googled it)

http://joe.english.purdue.edu/sites/surviving/node/211

You particularly want to make sure you delete your partitions and create new ones.

Hope this helps.....
August 3, 2006 6:20:50 PM

What you are reading here is 100% correct, you cant pull a HD from one machine and slap it in a different one and have it work. I have seen people try this a million times, and your problem is one of the results. You will need to reformat that thing none the less. Now back to the problem of no video. Try this, shut the pc down and pull all your memory. Start it back up and listen for beeps. Youll know them when you hear them. If you get them thats a good thing, put your mem back in. Next pull your vid card, turn the pc on and listen for beeps, again you should hear them. As a last resort try different memory, if u have 2 sticks of 512 pull one out, see if it fires up, if not switch the one you pulled out with the one thats in there and try again. If u have and other spare mem hanging around try that too. Also double check to make sure your CPU and heat sync is mounted correctly. Hope this helps.


ALSO NOTE--When u reformat you will loose EVERYTHING on the hard drive, be sure to backup any crucial data using your old rig prior to reformatting.
August 3, 2006 6:23:06 PM

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Its probably your OLD hard drive if you are using that drive as your BOOT drive. It likely still has information regarding your OLD rig (chipset drivers, etc) and its causing issues. I would format the drive, then install the OS and chipset drivers fresh. I am saying this because I read a post just like yours about 2 weeks ago and that was the problem (the person tried to use the old hard drive for the boot drive). So my suggestion is derived from a similar problem.

You could also go purchase a new harddrive and use that for the boot drive and still keep your old drive as a slave if there is data on there you need to keep.

Hope this helps.


Doubtful it's the HD. If the CPU, PS and MB are OK he should see the BIOS post screen way before the HDD attempts to boot. You can disconnect the HDD and the system should still post the BIOS screen.

From the symptoms described, I don’t think you can determine the source of the problem without another working computer you can use to eliminate each component as working or not.

IMO, the problem can be MB (most likely) , PS, CPU or Graphics card.

I don’t know of any way to tell for sure without a working test bed.
August 3, 2006 6:25:41 PM

Ah, perhaps I did not read his post closely enough. Well, at any rate, if you get past your current issue, you may still have issues due to reusing that HDD without formatting it first.

I agree, if he cant even get to the BIOS, then there is likely some other issue which I am not qualified to diagnose ;) 

- Preecher
August 3, 2006 6:26:00 PM

Start with the easy things...

Did you re-seat your video card? Did you have to force it?

Are you getting beep codes?
August 3, 2006 6:38:10 PM

I have placed many HDD from one computer to another and all have booted into windows with the only problem being windows asking to be reactivated.
August 3, 2006 6:44:53 PM

:lol:  Make sure you are NOT connecting BOTH power sources cables to your graphics card!!!

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well i cant use a CD cause the cd drive wont open for some reason

I'm sorry that made me laugh :lol: 
It's not working beacuse it's dead! :lol: 
August 3, 2006 7:12:53 PM

you do not need a HDD conected to post the BIOS, all it will say w/o the HD is no OS found.
August 3, 2006 7:18:22 PM

IM realy pushing for the gfx card problem. I heard a lot of complaints about the 7900 series. Can u test the card out on someone elses computer? If it does work then its probably your mobo.
August 3, 2006 7:27:42 PM

well even w/o the HDD in im still gettin no picture
August 3, 2006 7:29:12 PM

ok i did that but still no picture w/ or w/o HDD
August 3, 2006 7:35:15 PM

nothing
August 3, 2006 7:39:27 PM

im new when it comes to computers so can you explain that in newb terms?
August 3, 2006 7:47:41 PM

ok
yea the red ones are closest
August 3, 2006 7:50:43 PM

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I have placed many HDD from one computer to another and all have booted into windows with the only problem being windows asking to be reactivated.


Lol wow, Then you sir are a god amongst men. Unless the pc's or atleaseat mobos are exactly the same, you cannot just pull a HD out and put it in another machine. Do you really think asus mobo drivers are going to work on a Abit mobo? If so, can you please put my Porsche engine in my escort?
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August 3, 2006 7:58:27 PM

Just my two cents: Make sure your RAM is seated properly.

-Wolf sends
August 3, 2006 8:14:03 PM

This really sounds like it is the mobo. GPU, CPU or Maybe memory. It is NOT the hard drive. Although not reformating or having a Windows cd will prevent you from going further once you solved your initial problem.
I've had this problem before. I fried a Graphics card and had to get a new one. As soon as i popped in the one it started up just fine.
August 3, 2006 8:41:27 PM

Check the Asus website for cpu support on that mobo. Your mobo might need a bios update to use that cpu. I experienced similar symptoms with an Asus P5LD2 mobo which had an older bios.
August 3, 2006 8:56:41 PM

well how would i update it since i cant even get a screen onto it?
August 3, 2006 9:22:46 PM

Two ways:

1 - Get a hold of a cpu that is supported by all bios versions of your mobo and use that to update the bios. Even a cheap Celeron would do fine.

or

2 - Contact Asus. They should be able to send you a new bios chip for your mobo. You just pay shipping.
August 3, 2006 9:22:54 PM

A PC only needs a few things to get to the post. I would disconnect everything. Connect just the power supply, CPU, Memory, and graphics card. That is all that is needed to post. Other stuff can get in the way so remove all other stuff. remove all the Case connectors like extra usb ports and all the other connectors. You will need the power button connector, but not the led indicators and reset button wires. See if you can post.

What type of memory do you have?

I have moved a hard drive from one PC to another with out reinstalling windows. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt. It depends on how robust the drivers that are installed are. Sometimes it will boot in a new PC in vga mode and then you can install the correct drivers for the new hardware. But I must say that a clean install will always be the most stable and least likely to give you trouble.
August 3, 2006 9:44:46 PM

It is definately the HDD. Is it by chance a 20 gig Seagate? I had a 2000 gateway as well, with a P4 1.5 GHz and didn't have enough money to get a new hard drive so I thought I could attach all new components and have it run. WRONG. It wouldn't boot, similar situation. I bought a 70 dollar 160 gig hard drive and windows home OEM for another 85. Get those, even if its not the problem, you will have to have them for a new computer either way. Sorry to break it to you.
August 3, 2006 10:52:07 PM

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IM realy pushing for the gfx card problem. I heard a lot of complaints about the 7900 series. Can u test the card out on someone elses computer? If it does work then its probably your mobo.

Those aren't the problems. It's the HDD, since it's not formatted, and set properly. His PC won't even POST, so video card cannot be an issue.

lol! i have booted a pc without a HD that posted. What says u now?
August 3, 2006 11:12:22 PM

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IM realy pushing for the gfx card problem. I heard a lot of complaints about the 7900 series. Can u test the card out on someone elses computer? If it does work then its probably your mobo.

Those aren't the problems. It's the HDD, since it's not formatted, and set properly. His PC won't even POST, so video card cannot be an issue.

lol! i have booted a pc without a HD that posted. What says u now?
wow, one lame personal experience. I have worked on PCs that wouldn't post without hard drive. What says u now ?


:lol:  :roll: :roll:


i would think from so many posts ud have some experience... I guess not. Its an obvious NON HD problem. :roll:
August 3, 2006 11:36:56 PM

Simple question: have you made sure that your RAM is seated properly yet (as Wolfshadw suggests)?
August 4, 2006 12:02:40 AM

yes
i have it in the first channel of ram

but i finally got the dvd-rom drive to open and close
and im now getting beeps that got for about 20 seconds stop for 10 and go on for 20 (this happens constantly)

but still no picture

so im starting to think its either the gfx card or the HDD
August 4, 2006 12:05:20 AM

i have built many systems and i have not seen a PC that would not post because of a missing hard drive but I mostly use ABIT and a few ASIS. I have seen a PC that would not post with an incorrectly connected hard drive. That goes with all components. i have seen sound cards, NIC and other stuff get in the way. I think you should try with everything disconnected but the mem, cpu, and vid.

Do you have the correct type of RAM? What type do you have?

Formating the drive is not the problem. A drive does not need to be formated to be recognized by the bios. I format single drive systems all the time with a boot disk or a CD. Back in the 80's I would boot to a floppy and use fdisk to creat a partition and then format the drive. That was back in the 80's though and now the windows CD is the easiest way. BUT, ignore the drive till you figure out your current issue.
August 4, 2006 12:13:26 AM

and even after unpluggin everything but mem, gfx, psu, cpu
i still got nothing

EDIT: and if this makes a difference here is my monitor

EDIT(again): i'm sure the ram and the mobo are compatable so its either the mobo, gfx card, or HDD thats not working
August 4, 2006 12:49:15 AM

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IM realy pushing for the gfx card problem. I heard a lot of complaints about the 7900 series. Can u test the card out on someone elses computer? If it does work then its probably your mobo.

Those aren't the problems. It's the HDD, since it's not formatted, and set properly. His PC won't even POST, so video card cannot be an issue.

Utter nonsense!

Please read carefully-

You DO NOT need a HDD for the BIOS screen to display (post). All that's needed is a working video card, MB, memory and a CPU. You don't even need a floppy drive to get this far.

Keep in mind that BIOS is backward compatible and it's quite possible to use present day components to built a fully functioning DOS based system with a single floppy and no hard drive.
August 4, 2006 12:51:28 AM

Mc,

Do you have your MB manual?

Those beeps are something called a BEEP CODE.

They actually mean something.

The MB manual should have the definition of the codes you are now hearing.

That should help some.
August 4, 2006 12:53:21 AM

I recently had a computer in the shop that had a similar problem. It was an older computer, not a custom build. So let the troubleshooting commence. So I start going into it, swapping out parts for shop parts, swapped cpu over to verified mobo, turned on, no video... now ram, no video, swap the cpu for a shop cpu, no video, swap the memory for shop memory, VIDEO, swap the cpu back to the original, no video.

In the end, it was a combination of a faulty cpu and memory stick, ended up getting em replaced and the computer hasnt been back since.

Also, on a side note, the only way a computer wont POST due to an HDD is if the HDD is giving I/O errors and the BIOS is set to not allow proceedings due to pre-POST errors. Other then that I wouldn't know of any reason why POST wouldn't be able to go through.
August 4, 2006 12:55:01 AM

I was just about to ask if he checked the beep codes in the set up guide . You'll find them under troubleshooting and should tell you what the problem is .
August 4, 2006 1:15:29 AM

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Also, on a side note, the only way a computer wont POST due to an HDD is if the HDD is giving I/O errors and the BIOS is set to not allow proceedings due to pre-POST errors. Other then that I wouldn't know of any reason why POST wouldn't be able to go through.



You are correct, Sir.

Easy enough to eliminate HDD as a potential source of the problem. Pull power and signal cables, reboot.

I repeat once again for those not paying attention, you do not need a HDD for a system to post! :roll:
August 4, 2006 1:23:24 AM

I just got all my components together and got the same problem. I found out that one of the CPU pins in the motherboard was bent. Not just bent, but folded in on itself, so there was no way i could just nudge it back. The box was damaged from the UPS delivery, and strangely the piece of plastic covering the CPU slot was labelled Foxconn, when the motherboard was Gigabyte. I'll be dropping the motherboard off at the UPS store tommarrow to start the RMA process w/ newegg.
August 4, 2006 1:34:31 AM

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and even after unpluggin everything but mem, gfx, psu, cpu
i still got nothing

EDIT: and if this makes a difference here is my monitor

EDIT(again): i'm sure the ram and the mobo are compatable so its either the mobo, gfx card, or HDD thats not working


The monitor is not the problem since as I recall, you said it displayed "no signal". Just because the MB and memory are "compatible" doesn't eliminate either as a potential source of the problem.

As others have suggested, try to understand the beep codes from your MB manual. It's very difficult to pin down a problem like this without a simiilar working test system that you can't swap components to for determining what's failing.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but no one here will be able to pin point your problem for you. It's just not possible with the information available. Plus, you need to be able to weed out some very bad advice, albeit from well meaning people.
August 4, 2006 1:36:26 AM

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I just got all my components together and got the same problem. I found out that one of the CPU pins in the motherboard was bent. Not just bent, but folded in on itself, so there was no way i could just nudge it back. The box was damaged from the UPS delivery, and strangely the piece of plastic covering the CPU slot was labelled Foxconn, when the motherboard was Gigabyte. I'll be dropping the motherboard off at the UPS store tommarrow to start the RMA process w/ newegg.


Bingo and Bravo!
August 4, 2006 2:03:10 AM

well the ups guy dropped my package right in front of me onto my stone walkway so maybe its the mobo
August 4, 2006 2:55:17 AM

well i'm calling geek squad tomorrow so hopefully they'll know whats going on and be able to help me out
August 4, 2006 7:42:05 AM

What power supply exactly? Some Antecs have issues with Asus boards.

You need to try substituting the RAM with some other stick.
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