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Windows PC Sales Down 21% Since Windows 8 Launch

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November 30, 2012 8:09:28 AM

Hey Microsoft, your customers are not dumb like Apple's. If you want to be like Apple, this is what you get!
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November 30, 2012 8:15:34 AM

I think one of the reasons for this is because manufacturers can't seem to get their ass into gear and bring out half the products they've been advertising for so long. For example I would have already bought an Asus Taichi but its release keeps getting delayed.
It kind of seems to be a bit of a hit or miss with a lot of other devices as well which seem to have rather limited availability, especially here in New Zealand but I've also seen the same sorta thing with a lot of online US retailers too.
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November 30, 2012 8:16:36 AM

I quite agree with gardoversoza.
Your averega user might not know very well a windows interface to install drivers and the sort, but that group will be even more scared of a diffrent system layout.
Those that DO know windows well enought will hardly want to change to something that is often called "a tablet OS".

Simply put, a dumb move by Microsoft.
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November 30, 2012 8:26:07 AM

Maybe because 8 s*** so bad it cannot boost PC sales even with a 1,5B/$ advertising campaign?
And can't convince users to upgrade too, 1% usage share in the wild after 5 weeks from the launch, 1/5 than 7!
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November 30, 2012 8:30:40 AM

Could be more than just Windows 8, though the new interface will definately scare a lot of people away.

Netbooks are practically dead minus a few brands which make them. Currently it seems the cheap laptop market is having competition from Samsung Chromebook which is sold out and is #1 on sales on amazon, further down the line are the other Chromebooks and about every Apple Laptop. And from what I've seen on the low end side of laptops/netbooks/etc there isn't too many good options under $500 which from a quick glance seems to account for most of the sales on the best sellers for laptops.

There was especially a lack of good options in the sub $300 department which used to be populated by netbooks. Now all I've seen are Chromebooks and a few netbooks. So I can easily see them losing sales to cheap tablets here. I myself almost went with a cheap tablet but just ordered a chromebook since I couldn't find a way to get a netbook that could compete with the Samsung Chromebook spec wise at the price point. With the limited market in the sub $300 department I had less than 10 laptops I was willing to compare in my budget, where as with tablets I couldn't keep up with all the options I had before me and at all the price points from $80-300 if I wanted to keep a capacitive touch screen and good battery life.

The $300-400 price range seemed like the equivalent to the netbook market a few years ago, a lot of options but lacking in performance but now at a higher price point with the main difference being 11.6in screens and step up from Atom processors to Celerons and low end AMDs. The $400-500 market got significantly better, especially when you found a good deal but it still wasn't perfect but most of what I found definately usable.

This is where I think their downfall is, they aren't trying to fully dominate the low end market and thus are losing out to competitors such as Tablets and to some extent the newer Chromebooks (though I doubt that puts so much as a dent in the numbers). People will go where they see value and currently Windows doesn't seem to capture that budget minded market.
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November 30, 2012 8:39:45 AM

All, let's be fair. I know its fun to get on the "Let's bash that guy." bandwagon bug Windows 8 with Stardock's Start 8 is indeed better than Windows 7. More performance AND more options. At $45 ($40 for Windows and $5 for Start 8) its also a pretty good bargain. I was a hard sell myself but after living with and using this duo its clear its a good package. What I think savvy OEM's should do is bundle Start 8 with Windows 8. However, TBH, there's no real motivation to move from Windows 7 if you already have it as the aforementioned duo is just evolutionary. If you must find fault with this its that you shouldn't have to add the awesome Start 8 to the package yourself. Start 8 is not a weak add-on, its quite flawless and quite complete and grants options the old Windows 7 Start menu would be envious of. ...just my 5 cents and I don't work for Stardock.
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November 30, 2012 8:41:33 AM

Why is everyone trying to blame windows 8 or assume as an possiable reason of poor sales, have you thought that people just dont have that kind of money to spread, why buy a new PC or device when most have just bought a new one. The failing ecomony has noting to do with the fact we have no money for new stuff. The record breaking sales of windows 8 is proof that the kids are more important to feed and the high cost of bills are piling up. I'd say, blame the government, they are greedy SOB which is causing a lack of sales and not 8. Reduce the price of the devices to what is reasonable
I am betting more on the ecomony
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November 30, 2012 8:45:52 AM

The headline is a bit misleading given that it's compared to the same point a year ago, rather than the last six-twelve months, or even just a month or two prior.

The article itself states the trend is shifting toward more lightweight devices ["The strong performance of Windows 8 notebooks with touchscreens, where Windows 8 truly shines, offers some reason for optimism,"] so it shouldn't be any surprise that PC sales are down quite a bit from the same point last year--especially with many people still struggling with an economic downturn.

I get that a lot of people don't like Windows 8--nothing wrong with that--but it seems more than a little bias to associate it with a downtroden PC market that wasn't exactly booming before it hit, and make it seem like Windows 8 is the bane of the Windows PC World that will bring the rafters crashing down.

As a point of interest, it'd be interesting to see Apple's desktop sales.
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Anonymous
November 30, 2012 8:47:36 AM

"Why is everyone trying to blame windows 8 or assume as an possiable reason of poor sales, have you thought that people just dont have that kind of money to spread, why buy a new PC or device when most have just bought a new one."

Doesn't seem to be bothering Apple much.
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November 30, 2012 8:52:26 AM

imagine even solitaire you have to download at app store so sad.
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November 30, 2012 9:03:54 AM

Let's all just hope Windows 9 will be like the success and efficiency of Windows 7.
It looks that way anyway since 8 is starting to give the Vista impression. :lol: 
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November 30, 2012 9:22:49 AM

i would see 50% of the world skipping win8.. they would hold until they see a fix and it's not hard to do, win7 is still fine and new.
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November 30, 2012 9:28:38 AM

win8 is like buying an ugly car, sure it works but 'daaammmm' its been beaten with the ugly stick from its first inception
For me to upgrade win7 to a new os i want
1- new cpu - twice the single core performance and double the cores of my i7 ie 8 core or whats the point.
2- new mb with pci3 for newer gpu that can do 4k res through 1 cable
3- new 4k monitor
4- dx12 ie win9
When that stuff can be bought at your local store i will be there, and put money into ms's pocket but as for this whole table trend, pffft, i will ust use my phone since they are all the same
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November 30, 2012 9:37:18 AM

What NDP actually said is windows 8 did not lift the pc sales, and the PC and device sales are down 21 percent from last year, the PC and device market stockholders were thinking 8 would lift that market.
The PC's and devices was already down way before 8 hit the market. the first Q PC sales were down.
Dell and others are down 8 percent in the first Q. Apple is the only winner in sales this year
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November 30, 2012 9:45:08 AM

Windows 8 on its own won't be pushing any PC sales, not even on the OEM sector.

I'm personally using Windows 8, first thing after install was to install the START button.
So I only saw the silly tiles... ONCE, and never again.
My PC looks and behaves just like Windows 7.

(on the plus side I found that OLD GAMES work better on 8 than they did on 7)

But here is the thing....
Why PC manufactures think that PC customers "need" an NEW PC every year or 2?

I always build my PC's to last me a minimum of 5 years in between builds.
Granted that between that same time period I do a few upgrades to the same build.

But unless its been a major disaster (only happened to me twice in over 20 years)
like the actual motherboard go bad, then I do build a NEW one of course.
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November 30, 2012 9:53:34 AM

Die, Metro, die
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November 30, 2012 10:36:53 AM

... did i say i told you so...
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November 30, 2012 10:40:19 AM

Ladiesmen and Gentlewomen, I give to You the ALLMIGHTY W8! This is what you get when you don't listen to your customers. Not to mention, the need to try to "kill" an already, not-that-old, fully functioning OS.
All of these W8 "improvements" could have been done through a bigger service-pack update, rather than forcing customers to buy a new OS (which they're almost giving out for free anyways) and all the hassle that comes with it.
This way they would have shown the kind of commitment and dedication they have for their existing products AND more importantly customers. Rather they pee on everybody and say "no, this is our new focus - deal with it".
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November 30, 2012 11:02:40 AM

This is completely unrelated to windows 8 it is a move to the mobile sector.

Lots of girls these days skip the computer for the phone.
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November 30, 2012 11:09:53 AM

PCs hve become faster and more reliable.
My guess would be that most people simply do not NEED a new PC.
Let's face it, only a small percentage of machines are used in extreme gaming.

No need for Quad GPUs to update Facebook or Twitter.

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November 30, 2012 11:13:25 AM

Sales Down huh?

Imagine That !!!!!

jer :) 
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November 30, 2012 11:48:20 AM

gardoversozaHey Microsoft, your customers are not dumb like Apple's. If you want to be like Apple, this is what you get!

Sorry but OS X is really good and the hardware Apple provides for it is really good too.
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November 30, 2012 12:20:01 PM

They've been in decline for over a year. I don't see how ALL of this is W8 fault
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November 30, 2012 12:33:36 PM

Since the OS is so great, maybe they'll put it on the XBox 720 too. I mean it does have a thing for your games afterall...
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Anonymous
November 30, 2012 12:36:03 PM

Nothing to do with windows 8 this, just a mature market where people arent inclined to upgrade every 2 years now.

Hell, I have a gaming PC, its already 2 years old but I wont be upgrading any time soon because no games have come out that cause my PC to really struggle. GPU might be upgraded next year, but CPU will probably last me another 2 years (3.6ghz i5).

Surface Pro will possibly be my next computing device I will buy, unless MSI come out with a pro tablet that has a thunderbolt connector + release an external GPU enclosure --> replacing my laptop and desktop with one device would be sweet.
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November 30, 2012 12:37:32 PM

kellybeanSorry but OS X is all right and the hardware Apple provides for it looks nice enough (if you like brushed aluminum and glossy screens), though a lot of it is pretty overpriced.

Fixed it for you...
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November 30, 2012 1:17:15 PM

I'm in a tough position. I'm still running XP (I know, it's unsafe, it's inefficient etc. . . . and yet I don't have issues, strange, huh?), but I'd like to upgrade. The problem is, funds are quite depressingly low, and with Win9 right around the corner, I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade to 7/8.

If 9 is a failure, I'll move to Win7 and hope for another decade of quality OS =]
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November 30, 2012 1:24:46 PM

Like drwho1, said these days people don't need a new PC every couple of years, especially if they are like us who build our own. I'm still rocking an X58SLI mobo with triple channel memory and 12GB of RAM and an i7920 OC'ed to 3.6Ghz(the original 920's). The only upgrade I have had to do is ditching two original GTX295's for a single 590GTX because it was faster, cooler, quiter and ran my 3 monitors out of a single card. Sure there are faster CPU's and mobo's out there but I still don't need them.
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November 30, 2012 1:33:38 PM

bllueThey've been in decline for over a year. I don't see how ALL of this is W8 fault

You are correct. It is not all Win 8's fault. But part of the blame definitely lies there. How much is uncertain at this point. But I'm guessing quite a bit.
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November 30, 2012 1:56:03 PM

*cough*....Big surprise headline...
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November 30, 2012 2:07:02 PM

I wanna know what focus group M$ relied on? "Ugh! I has slick, 3D graphics using the true color palette. Please, oh please, give me back uninspired single color blocks using no more than (seemingly) 16 colors! I really miss my Commodore 64!"
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November 30, 2012 2:08:53 PM

Muahahuahuahuahuaa

Apple Rises
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November 30, 2012 2:11:32 PM

It's not all W8's fault but it's certainly not helping. Gaming is a big driver of advancement in power requirements in the PC sector. "Yeah, but can it play Crysis?" ring a bell? We have been in a rut since most games these days are just poor ports from the consoles which are over half a decade old. You don't need newer and better hardware to play most of it. Developers need to raise the bar again to drive excitement in the market for true advancement that will have enthusiasts spending money again on upgrades. Win 8 has nothing to add to this scenario other than "Look! Now you can play Angry Birds on all your devices the same way." Who cares??

That and businesses will not adopt the new OS because of the learning curve placed on the users and the burden/cost of training even to do simple things like turn off the PC. Most business users are not power users and learning a new interface is not a quick and easy process for them. It takes time, and time is money. Also, businesses see no real benefits to upgrading desktop hardware since it hasn't advanced that much in performance over the previous generations recently for things like business apps. Bad user interface and no real gains for business users. It's a no brainer. Staying on win 7 wins hands down.
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November 30, 2012 3:24:17 PM

frobnoid"Why is everyone trying to blame windows 8 or assume as an possiable reason of poor sales, have you thought that people just dont have that kind of money to spread, why buy a new PC or device when most have just bought a new one."Doesn't seem to be bothering Apple much.


Apple isn't even in the markets that are getting hammered, the budget markets, so of course they're not bothered. Oh wait, they just took a $200 nose dive in stock prices recently, so they're having at least some problems, related to this or not, so even then, they're having problems of their own.

For everyone whining about Windows 8 and/or saying that this is karmic justice or other crap like that, get a clue. The drowning PC market right now has little to nothing to do with Windows 8. Not only can you still buy Windows 7 devices pretty much everywhere, but this was going on before Windows 8 launched, so it has almost nothing to do with 8. If 8 hadn't launched, then you'd all have to blame some other scapegoat. Scary, huh?
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November 30, 2012 4:30:24 PM

TeholtheObsoleteI'm in a tough position. I'm still running XP (I know, it's unsafe, it's inefficient etc. . . . and yet I don't have issues, strange, huh?), but I'd like to upgrade. The problem is, funds are quite depressingly low, and with Win9 right around the corner, I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade to 7/8.If 9 is a failure, I'll move to Win7 and hope for another decade of quality OS =]


You would be wise to upgrade to win7 before MS shuts the door on it. You better move quick. I have a suspicion there isn't going to be any windows 9.
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November 30, 2012 4:39:23 PM

loomis86You would be wise to upgrade to win7 before MS shuts the door on it. You better move quick. I have a suspicion there isn't going to be any windows 9.


You can still buy Windows XP and some older versions. Windows 7 isn't going anywhere anytime soon as far as buying the OS goes. Why do you doubt the release of Windows 9 (assuming that the successor to 8 is keeps on the number naming scheme)?
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November 30, 2012 5:13:02 PM

blazorthonYou can still buy Windows XP and some older versions. Windows 7 isn't going anywhere anytime soon as far as buying the OS goes. Why do you doubt the release of Windows 9 (assuming that the successor to 8 is keeps on the number naming scheme)?


I think they will switch to subscriptions by then. MS Office is moving to yearly subscriptions and you will pay a yearly fee and with that comes periodic updates, no charge. Why do you think W8 upgrades are so cheap? I think it is because MS is trying to get rid of everything older than W8 and then switch over to a subscription based OS.
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November 30, 2012 5:23:40 PM

Of course PC sales are down when a big percent of the population just do word processing and internet surfing. Really don't need a new computer for that do you?

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November 30, 2012 5:24:35 PM

DOH!
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Anonymous
November 30, 2012 9:19:30 PM

Fresh from the Crappers at M$, the Windows That 8 the PC desktop productivity, the windows that 8 the profits of so many PC OEMs, the windows that will be center table on many peoples minds, as in, we really 8 some turkey from M$ this Thanksgiving!
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November 30, 2012 10:18:23 PM

blazorthonYou can still buy Windows XP and some older versions. Windows 7 isn't going anywhere anytime soon as far as buying the OS goes. Why do you doubt the release of Windows 9 (assuming that the successor to 8 is keeps on the number naming scheme)?

Current rumor is that the next windows will be 8.1 and that they will be coming yearly. Can't remember where I read that, you can google "windows blue" to find some articles.
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December 1, 2012 5:15:41 AM

To quote Bill Engvall..."Here's your sign".
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December 1, 2012 11:36:18 AM

Ok its not windows 8 sales its the lack of availiblity to buy device that are touch screen, there are none available. I want a monitor and others want lapies and you cannot find one touch screen anywere
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December 1, 2012 3:34:27 PM

What the audience here at Tom's wants to hear:
"Windows 8 sucks ass. IT CAUSED THE PROBLEM!!!!"

What's reality (or seems to be reality):
1) PC sales were falling even before Windows 8. Technology has got to the point where people have enough computer from their computer they bought three years ago. Why should they buy a new one?

2) The average Joe (in other words, very few, if ANY of Tom's primary audience) wants to surf the Internet, check their e-mail, check Facebook/Twitter/etc., and play a few games that are free or a few bucks to download. That can all be done on a smartphone or tablet, and this is Apple and Google's domain.

Before smartphones and tablets (as we know them now), PCs and laptops were the primary consumption devices. For the average Joe, smartphones and tablets are all they need. They don't need a PC.

Overall, demand for PCs had dwindled for the two reasons above: much of the market found their PC replacements (I say "much," not "all,"--I understand that this is Tom's and we're a bunch of enthusiasts that have the "You're going to have to pry my PC from my cold dead hands!" mentality. Understand that we're a very small audience, though.), and those that still have PCs from a few years ago (and are not enthusiasts like us) are still getting use out of them.
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December 1, 2012 3:36:55 PM

once steam goes out of beta on linux i think no one will turn back.
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December 2, 2012 6:53:17 AM

I prefer to have start menu alongside metro but I should admit that win8 is good at least it is more stable than 7 and faster specially in boot and shut down
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Anonymous
December 7, 2012 11:39:50 AM

Don't belive in this article, it is not recommended to anyone at all
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January 23, 2013 6:16:21 PM

killerclickDie, Metro, die

And die a horrible death too.....
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