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zakezuke wrote:
>>Also, I wonder how many times the HP's cartridge can
>>be refilled before the image drum starts to give out. Eventually a new
>>cartridge will have to be bought.
>
>
> As I wonder how many carts you can put in the canon before a
> replacement head is needed. While the carts were officaly designed to
> be disposable, they are less complex then a printhead. I haven't
> owned a canon long enough to evaluate.
I haven't either. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Canon rated
their print heads for at least 18,000 pages in their cheaper printers.
If the heads ever dies it would likely be cheaper to buy a new printer
or pick up a print head off ebay.
> I can't speak for the HP5p, I had the HP II. And I refilled it with
> the toner I bought on closeout for the panasonic 4450i, and some toner
> I got from the local copier shop. I don't have an accurate count as I
> only refilled it 6 times. I wasn't worried as at the time the
> replacement value was $20 ish $30ish from Office Max's website for
> "print master" IIRC the name correctly.
>
> In all fairness... prefileld C3903A fetch as low as $23.00 mail order
> shipped... $50 is typical. Unless over filled, it's yield is 4000 so
> 20,000 would be $115. No personal experence except with the
> printmaster brand. using pricegrabber and pricewatch as a reference
I tried using a remanufactured cartridge in my 2100M and wasn't too
pleased with the print quality. It seemed like the drum had seen too
many refills. I probably got a bad piece as I doubt this is the norm.
Now I use OEM carts for it since I have the MP780 with compatibles for
cheap bulk printing.
> Your deal is clearly better... The typical deal you linked doesn't
> seem all that good to me. $6.99 shipping first item... 2.99 shipping
> additional items. I know inksupply charges by weight rather than
> quality, and a price of $5.00/each. I'd have to sign in to be
> accurate. I can say shipping 6 2oz bottles was 4.90. It was $6.45 for
> 5 2oz bottles and 5 empty carts and misc extra stuff i've not seen yet.
> I'm lazy so i'd wager that it's on par with the cheapest cart I can
> find.
The shipping cost is why I order directly from the supplier. Most ink
sellers will cut a deal on shipping if you order around 40-50 carts at
once. This is how you can get the cost down to $1, or so, per cart.
> So we've established
> 1. OEM vs OEM... hp laser wins for cost/page
Absolutely.
> 2. aftermarket refill vs after market refill... canon might win if
> $1/ink tank, on par usually
> (side note... don't know the head life on the canon. $23 is well
> a used refilled cart with developer and drum. I have never seen a
> canon clog or head failure, but i imagine it's possible)
I wouldn't expect the Canon to last nearly as long as a laser printer.
If replacement heads are cheap this might even things up.
> 3. bulk toner vs aftermarket refill.... hp might win
Maybe.
>>The initial cost of buying an ip4000/iP3000 is low too
>
>
> Your preaching to the choir. Paid $64 for my IP3000, $240 for the
> mp760.
>
>
>>This is much less than a new HP laser printer.
>
>
> The 5p isn't a new HP printer. I'd say on par with the ip3000/ip4000
> used. $160 from amazon. Now if you talk the HP LaserJet 2400 series
> new ball of wax.
True. If he looks into one of HP's better lasers then it would likely
tilt the numbers heavily toward using a Canon with compatible ink. The
laser will have much better print quality though if this is a consideration.
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