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August 5, 2006 3:28:53 PM

ok so hear is the deal I have been weighting on the perfect tine on a new build for the "best" computer that I could make while not getting screwed in a few months because something new. I spend a few hours a day keeping up on new technology because it is partly my job and I think I have got the perfect build with the potential to be over clocked to the max. would like to have a few opinions on it just to double check all the research I have done before I go for it at the end of the month. will post the build and pics at the time I get everything.
first is the case with plenty of room for water cooling setup and all the goodies
SILVERSTONE SST-TJ07-B Black
Power I will need it by the looks of it so here it is
SILVERSTONE SST-ST75ZF ATX 750W Power Supply
HD why not Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive
EVGA is playing around with a GeForce 7950GX2 with water cooling and it looks like it will be out this month sounds good to me.
intel® Core 2 Extreme X6800 Conroe Processor 2.93GHz, 1066FSB, LGA775, 4MB Cache DUH
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)---3-4-3-9 timing EPP of corse
I already have 2 CD rome drives I like loads a plextor CDRW and a NEC DVD+-RW
and have a Logitech g-5 with a cyber snipa pad and the G15 keyboard
and as far as the motherboard it looks like nForce 590 SLI Intel Edition: NVIDIA when it comes out at the end of the month
and sound Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card al though not sure there have been problems with high end systems getting popping any ideas?????
well lets get to the water cooling side of it

Black Ice Xtreme III Triple 120mm Radiator looks like it will fiting in the bottom of the case nicely when the HD trays are taken out
Swiftech MCP655 1/2in. Water Pump or mabe the Danger Den D5 pump
cpu cooling Danger Den TDX , will be cooling chipset as well as the ram still browsing to find out what I will use for them
I may do separate rads for the cpu, chipset, and ram on one, and the VGA on a separate one for itself just to be safe what do ya think??? tygon tubing. did i leav anything off???

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August 5, 2006 3:42:08 PM

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ok so hear is the deal I have been weighting on the perfect tine on a new build for the "best" computer that I could make while not getting screwed in a few months because something new. I spend a few hours a day keeping up on new technology because it is partly my job and I think I have got the perfect build with the potential to be over clocked to the max. would like to have a few opinions on it just to double check all the research I have done before I go for it at the end of the month. will post the build and pics at the time I get everything.
first is the case with plenty of room for water cooling setup and all the goodies
SILVERSTONE SST-TJ07-B Black
Power I will need it by the looks of it so here it is
SILVERSTONE SST-ST75ZF ATX 750W Power Supply
HD why not Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive
EVGA is playing around with a GeForce 7950GX2 with water cooling and it looks like it will be out this month sounds good to me.
intel® Core 2 Extreme X6800 Conroe Processor 2.93GHz, 1066FSB, LGA775, 4MB Cache DUH
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)---3-4-3-9 timing EPP of corse
I already have 2 CD rome drives I like loads a plextor CDRW and a NEC DVD+-RW
and have a Logitech g-5 with a cyber snipa pad and the G15 keyboard
and as far as the motherboard it looks like nForce 590 SLI Intel Edition: NVIDIA when it comes out at the end of the month
and sound Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card al though not sure there have been problems with high end systems getting popping any ideas?????
well lets get to the water cooling side of it

Black Ice Xtreme III Triple 120mm Radiator looks like it will fiting in the bottom of the case nicely when the HD trays are taken out
Swiftech MCP655 1/2in. Water Pump or mabe the Danger Den D5 pump
cpu cooling Danger Den TDX , will be cooling chipset as well as the ram still browsing to find out what I will use for them
I may do separate rads for the cpu, chipset, and ram on one, and the VGA on a separate one for itself just to be safe what do ya think??? tygon tubing. did i leav anything off???


The x6800 runs cooler than a witch's tit out of the box.
August 5, 2006 3:51:03 PM

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ok so hear is the deal I have been weighting on the perfect tine on a new build for the "best" computer that I could make while not getting screwed in a few months because something new. I spend a few hours a day keeping up on new technology because it is partly my job and I think I have got the perfect build with the potential to be over clocked to the max. would like to have a few opinions on it just to double check all the research I have done before I go for it at the end of the month. will post the build and pics at the time I get everything.
first is the case with plenty of room for water cooling setup and all the goodies
SILVERSTONE SST-TJ07-B Black
Power I will need it by the looks of it so here it is
SILVERSTONE SST-ST75ZF ATX 750W Power Supply
HD why not Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive
EVGA is playing around with a GeForce 7950GX2 with water cooling and it looks like it will be out this month sounds good to me.
intel® Core 2 Extreme X6800 Conroe Processor 2.93GHz, 1066FSB, LGA775, 4MB Cache DUH
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)---3-4-3-9 timing EPP of corse
I already have 2 CD rome drives I like loads a plextor CDRW and a NEC DVD+-RW
and have a Logitech g-5 with a cyber snipa pad and the G15 keyboard
and as far as the motherboard it looks like nForce 590 SLI Intel Edition: NVIDIA when it comes out at the end of the month
and sound Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card al though not sure there have been problems with high end systems getting popping any ideas?????
well lets get to the water cooling side of it

Black Ice Xtreme III Triple 120mm Radiator looks like it will fiting in the bottom of the case nicely when the HD trays are taken out
Swiftech MCP655 1/2in. Water Pump or mabe the Danger Den D5 pump
cpu cooling Danger Den TDX , will be cooling chipset as well as the ram still browsing to find out what I will use for them
I may do separate rads for the cpu, chipset, and ram on one, and the VGA on a separate one for itself just to be safe what do ya think??? tygon tubing. did i leav anything off???


The x6800 runs cooler than a witch's tit out of the box.

LOL; it's true, though. But if you want extreme overclocking, watercooling is the way to go.
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August 5, 2006 4:10:01 PM

Screw watercooling, that was so last year. This is the new in-thing

http://www.systemcooling.com/vapochill_ls-01.html

This will make anything you do OBSOLETE...

But if you don't want to spend 1000 dollars turning your computer into a fridge, your watercooling build looks good. I like the Apogee or Storm more than the TDX, but they all perform pretty similar.

The DD12V-D5 is the exact same as the MCP655 which is bascially the Laing D5 pump... so doesn't really matter what you choose.

Don't use arctic silver, use the collaboratory Liquid Metal (think I spelled it right). It outperforms AS5 by quite a bit. Check out some of its reviews. Tygon tubing is standard... resevoir? Any resevoir works though, just make sure its 1/2"

But your still gonna get screwed once DX10 comes out and hybrid HDD's will be implemented with Vista... =) Not to mention better GPU's which can handle PPU duties and you dont need a 7.1 card unless you have a 7.1 system O.O
August 5, 2006 4:19:06 PM

i looked into vapochill but i need somthing that will cool everything i have in one setup. chipset, ram, cpu, videocard.

collaboratory Liquid Metal that is some cool stuf i am going to try it out and see what i think looks perfect though.

the impression I got from dx10 is that it will not be mainstream for at least a year and even then most games will run fine on dx9-9c. I figure this because to use dx10 you have to have vista and look how long it took people to upgrade to xp I think it will be at least a year before it is mainstream.
the res is going to be the dual bay res that is on the danger den web site looks good and it I do a separate rad for just the video I am going to get a single bay res just for it.
and as far as the 7.1 I will not be using it what card should I use that is 5.1 I am going to be using the Medusa 5.1 Home Edition headset
August 5, 2006 4:36:39 PM

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LOL; it's true, though. But if you want extreme overclocking, watercooling is the way to go.


My version of black ice. 8O

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=46...

But that has blue trim... Does it come in neon green?

Have you tried overclocking that unit?

When the heatwave hit a couple weeks ago, I had a lot of trouble with watercooling. One of my neighbors decided to cool herself off by stepping in the shower with her clothes on and then walking around till they dried, followed by another cold shower. The water may have cooled her off, but I suufered a few overheating problems.
August 5, 2006 4:46:52 PM

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Have you tried overclocking that unit?


I have it set at a mild overclock with the FSB and the RAM bumped to 230 mhz. , runs at around 460 mhz. If I set the RAM at 250 mhz (500 mhz. effective) the Dimms get hot and heat up the MB and case. I don't like the MSI board when overclocking. I plan to get the ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe. Have any overclocking suggestions? I have the Artic cooler on here right now. Have the Zalman Fatality sitting here for when I swap out the MB. I'm looking forward to the red light. :D 
August 5, 2006 4:52:15 PM

I've found the ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe to be a good board for overclocking. DFI is a better overclocker, but a bit less friendly.
August 5, 2006 5:02:47 PM

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I've found the ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe to be a good board for overclocking. DFI is a better overclocker, but a bit less friendly.


Yeah, I really want that board you have. $166.99 at Newegg yesterday. I'm watching the price daily. I'd like to pay under $150 :) 

I just do better with my ASUS boards. I have 3. I get a kick out of overclocking my Pentium D 805 on my ASUS micro board. The 805 d Smithfield core makes my six AMD processors look sick where achieving high overclocks is concerned. I have about 15 computers I run currently at home and two business offices. Can't wait to get that ASUS board. I puklled out my Audigy 2 soundcard yesterday and have it ready to go on the new board. I bought the MSI because it has Creative SB 24 bit chip onboard. Not as good as Audigy 2 though. It would make that neighbor of your dance! 8O
August 5, 2006 5:25:00 PM

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I've found the ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe to be a good board for overclocking. DFI is a better overclocker, but a bit less friendly.


DFI may overclock well, but there are about a zillion settings in the BIOS, and if like one is wrong, then the computer won't work right. I have a DFI board; the USB and LAN failed. Or maybe something was set wrong in the BIOS. I bought a DFI for their overclockability, but I haven't overclocked yet; I'm just trying to make the damn thing work. I really wish I had gotten an ASUS board.
August 5, 2006 5:43:43 PM

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I've found the ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe to be a good board for overclocking. DFI is a better overclocker, but a bit less friendly.


DFI may overclock well, but there are about a zillion settings in the BIOS, and if like one is wrong, then the computer won't work right. I have a DFI board; the USB and LAN failed. Or maybe something was set wrong in the BIOS. I bought a DFI for their overclockability, but I haven't overclocked yet; I'm just trying to make the damn thing work. I really wish I had gotten an ASUS board.

LOL! I have a DFI 875 socket 478 and a Pentium 3.0 (the hot one). I tried to put a gig. of Corsair XMX 2-3-2-6 in dual channel and the MB will not run! I set all the setting every which way. I reamed it, wrapped it and rotated it, Nada. I put two gigs 4 x 512 or Kingston value RAM 3-3-3-8 and it tears that stuff up. When i's not running hot. I will say I had a DFI socket A Nforce 2 deluxe that ran super. Then one day all the RAM slots stopped working except for number one. I swapped it out for an ASUS deluxe and it wass like I bought a Ferrari. So I was out in the garage and the old DFI board was taking up space amongst my car wax and windshield washer solvent. I tossed it! 8O :D 
August 5, 2006 6:16:29 PM

Like I wrote, the DFI board is less friendly, and is much more demanding as you pointed out. I'm not geeky enough for it myself, so I've stuck with the ASUS boards and been content with their features.
August 5, 2006 6:32:05 PM

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Like I wrote, the DFI board is less friendly, and is much more demanding as you pointed out. I'm not geeky enough for it myself, so I've stuck with the ASUS boards and been content with their features.


Makes you think or ask yourself who's copying who? ASUS comes out with a 32 (16 x 16) graphics chipset and ABIT and another vendor follow close behind and release their version. That ASUS board has 8 phase voltage regulators. I think that is a great idea. I'm running two 7800GT's, two HD's, two optical drives, Pinnacle studio 9, 4 x 512 dimms of RAM, dual core processor, etc. I would think that voltage regulator setup would help tremendously. I hate ASUS support. Their MB's are great performers from my experience.
August 5, 2006 6:44:42 PM

I haven't had the best of luck with ASUS support. So I ignore it for the most part. They usually produce good boards, so I stay with them. They have had some problems in quality control, but so have most companies at one time or the other. My first A8N32 board died within weeks, but the next one has worked fine, so I won't complain too loudly.
August 5, 2006 7:13:12 PM

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I haven't had the best of luck with ASUS support. So I ignore it for the most part. They usually produce good boards, so I stay with them. They have had some problems in quality control, but so have most companies at one time or the other. My first A8N32 board died within weeks, but the next one has worked fine, so I won't complain too loudly.


I guess I'm becoming an ASUS fanboy of sorts. I would recommend other boards too though. When I built this computer the 32-SLI was not even released. People were waiting on Newegg to grab them up when they came in stock. People had Newegg under surveillance 24/7 waiting. Cost like $239 or so when it came out.
August 5, 2006 7:50:15 PM

don't use the liquid metal, if you don't apply it correctly and get it on yoru mobo or cpu, it'll cause a short. it is also known that this liquid metal eats through weak metals, so if you want to keep yoru waterblock for awhile, then stay off of the liquid metal


that 3 evap phase change looks pretty cool, but waaay over priced
August 5, 2006 8:05:26 PM

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don't use the liquid metal, (snip) then stay off of the liquid metal


Sounds almost like a line in a movie...

"Sir, set down the Liquid Metal and WALK AWAY."

Maybe we should recommend it to Ahnold for Terminator 4?
August 6, 2006 4:14:09 AM

thanks for the info. going to drop the cooling for the ram and the chipset after looking around. does not seam to be worth it. never seen anyone with any real problems with ram. anmd the stock cooling on the chipset looked prity darn good with the heatpipes. ther will be a load of air moving through the case so it should be ok.
August 6, 2006 4:34:17 AM

If you are using 1/2 ID tubing (I didn't read where you may have mentioned otherwise) along with the pump, what waterblock are you using for the ram? I've only seen 1/4 ID waterblocks for it. Having that in your loop would severly restrict your flow.

Love the PSU - same one I use - and it powers ALOT of equpitment in my Computer.

My system:

CoolerMaster Stacker Case
Presler 955 3.46
Abit AW8D
2GB DDR2 800
XFX 7900 GTX Extreme
2 Raptors HDDs
320 WD Sata HDD
Creative XFI Fatality (with drive bay unit)
(11) 120mm fans (8 are on rads mounted externally, 2 are LED 1 intake 1 outtake for airflow, 1 for drive cage)
(4) 40mm fans (modded Abit Voltage regulator heatsinks)
Swiftech 655 Water pump
Relay Switch
(2) DVD R/RW Drives
56-1 card reader
floppy drive
Dual cold cathode light
Bay drive voltage adjuster for CPU Peltier Waterblock
(assorted USB devices)
SilverstoneE SST-ST75ZF 750 PSU


Watercooling System
1/2 inch tygon tubing
Swiftech MCP655
Danger Den Koolsah GPU Waterblock
Maze 4 Northbridge Waterblock
Custom Drivebay Reservoir
Swiftech Peltier 226watt waterblock
Voltage Adjuster for Peltier
(2) dual 120mm rads (mounted externally) - each has 4 120mm fans in a "push-pull" configuration
Meanwell 600 SE12 Secondary PSU (for peltier)


Watercooling loop:

Reservoir - Pump - CPU waterblock (peltier) - 1st external dual 120mm rad - GPU waterblock - 2nd external dual 120mm rad - back to reservoir
August 6, 2006 4:44:27 AM

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Screw watercooling, that was so last year. This is the new in-thing

http://www.systemcooling.com/vapochill_ls-01.html


If you looking to set a benchmark record go for it....but if your running a a system you USE forget it.

When those systems are turned off the temp swings do to a CPU what the temp swing do to ROCKS in the mountains....they make small cracks!

Over time (a small time next to air/water) your cpu will become a keychain.

EDIT: See the post above mine and search his/my posts.....Coolermaster cases and proper air cooling are all you should ever need.
August 6, 2006 4:50:50 AM

I have a Silverstone TJ07B with an Aqua Computer water cooling setup. I'm using an Evo240 radiator, which has 2 120mm fans. In my cooling loop I have water blocks for my CPU (955EE Cuplex XT), GPU (7800GTX, Aquagrafx) and 2 hard drives in one aquadrive. I'm using an Aquabay and aquatube for the reservoir and to hold the Enheim pump You'll need another place for your hard disks if you put the Black Ice Pro III on the bottom. The radiator will be next to the PSU, so you probably won't have space for the water pump on the bottom unless it's behind the radiator.

Air cooling would probably sufficient for the chipset and RAM since the case has 4 fans on the top half.

Good luck with your build.
August 6, 2006 5:02:18 AM

Phase change isn't really practical for most cooling enthusiast for it's rather limited capabilites. Most phase change setups only cool the CPU (with the exception of the Hydra which provides for phase change cooling of dual GPU setups in addition to the CPU - at a $2000 friggin' pricetag.) peltier cooling is more reasonable than phase change.

That's enough to cause me to have a bowel movement.

Watercooling is the mainstream cooling method amongst enthusiasts (although I do use Pelteir cooling as well) since you can watercool virtually anything you set your mind to. Having a case with a ton of room also helps...
August 6, 2006 5:26:23 AM

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Over time (a small time next to air/water) your cpu will become a keychain.


My thoughts precisely! But at least it will have some nice little cracks and maybe even a bitchin scorch mark to help you relive your record-setting benchmark moment.
August 6, 2006 5:52:18 AM

I can remember a representitive of MS saying that the xbox 360 was going to have a liquid cooling system in it. Guess they gave up on that plan thinking it would be too risky, I think the xbox 360 could use watercooling they sound like jet engines when they are on. I think liquid cooling is pretty safe to be honest, if you know what you are doing. You can use a non conductive liquid so if it leaks then no problems apart from messy components.
August 6, 2006 6:17:07 AM

I've actually seen a watercooled X-box. I thought it a bit unusual as Ihad never even considered such a notion (I suppose because I don't plan on ever buying one). I guess it goes to show you that once a person has a mind for it, you can watercool just about anything. - computers, x-box, psus, etc.
August 6, 2006 6:29:05 AM

This is the best one I have seen. I wanted to do it after that guide but I really don't have the time, money or space to put the external box. Might do it on day I like watercooling its fun!
August 6, 2006 6:29:32 AM

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I've actually seen a watercooled X-box. I thought it a bit unusual as Ihad never even considered such a notion (I suppose because I don't plan on ever buying one). I guess it goes to show you that once a person has a mind for it, you can watercool just about anything. - computers, x-box, psus, etc.


The amount of water and other fluid-cooling apps in industry is amazing. If you wanted to fork over the bucks, you could pick your CPU temp within a half degree over quite a wide range. Many bucks, granted, but the cooling tech is out there.
August 6, 2006 6:38:48 AM

I agree. I don't EVEN want to think how much I have spent on my CPU Peltier/watercooling system.
August 7, 2006 5:12:02 AM

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"]don't use the liquid metal, if you don't apply it correctly and get it on yoru mobo or cpu, it'll cause a short. it is also known that this liquid metal eats through weak metals, so if you want to keep yoru waterblock for awhile, then stay off of the liquid metal


Pretty sure that liquid metal stuff is just mercury. There are way too many coincedences for it not to be.

http://www.frozencpu.com/thr-26.html

The description says it

"remains liquid at ambient temperature" - same as mercury
"The liquid metal behaves similar to mercury." - if that isn't a big enough hint, I don't know what else is.


"NOTE:

Coollaboratory Liquid PRO was designed for use with high quality coolers made of copper or silver. Aluminum coolers are unsuitable for use with Liquid PRO."

Do a google search on what liquid mercury does to aluminum. You'll quickly find that mercury breaks down the chemical bonding that makes aluminum so strong. The surface of any aluminum exposed to air is actually aluminum rust, or aluminum oxide. It just oxidizes so fast that you can't see it, because aluminum is a hugely reactive metal. The particular story I read did a demonstration where about a cubic foot of aluminum was rusted away in a matter of two hours by applying liquid mercury to it.

"DO NOT USE ALUMINUM COOLERS or allow Liquid Pro to come in contact with any aluminum surfaces. Aluminum is not resistant against Liquid Pro and will result in damages to any aluminum surface."

"NOTE: The Coollaboratory Liquid PRO was mistakenly reported as being toxic. We apologize for this error. The Liquid PRO is not a poison, is not a fire risk, nor is it an explosive. We do recommend taping the plastic top onto the syringe before disposing of it to prevent others from cutting themselves on the product."

This section actually used to agressively warn against injecting yourself with Liquid Pro. Again, try a search for a cache of the webpage a couple of months to a year back. They disclaimed any liability if you got sick from injecting yourself with it, iirc.

Also, take a look at the pictures. Doesn't that stuff look exactly like mercury?

Anyone else feel like paying 14 bucks for a syringe of mercury that's toxic, electrically conductive, and falsely advertised? :roll:
August 7, 2006 6:26:38 AM

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Pretty sure that liquid metal stuff is just mercury. There are way too many coincedences for it not to be.

"NOTE: The Coollaboratory Liquid PRO was mistakenly reported as being toxic. We apologize for this error. The Liquid PRO is not a poison, is not a fire risk, nor is it an explosive.


Either they are outright lieing about the toxicity or it's not mercury. In the first place, I'd think that would be a huge liability risk. The Cool Labs web site says it is an alloy so it could contain Hg or Ga. Look at the photos here and see how it wets the copper? I've worked quite a bit with pure Hg and have never been able to get it to wet Cu like that... Now, add some silver to Hg and it will begin to wet Cu, but I'd be surprised to see it act paint-like as shown in the images unless there are other agents present. I should just get some and do an elemental analysis on it...
August 7, 2006 7:05:23 AM

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The x6800 runs cooler than a witch's tit out of the box.


Wicked Witches have cold tits and Good Witches have hot tits ?

. o (I need to do some heat transfer benchmarks on Witches tits)
August 7, 2006 7:07:38 AM

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Either they are outright lieing about the toxicity or it's not mercury. In the first place, I'd think that would be a huge liability risk. The Cool Labs web site says it is an alloy so it could contain Hg or Ga. Look at the photos here and see how it wets the copper? I've worked quite a bit with pure Hg and have never been able to get it to wet Cu like that... Now, add some silver to Hg and it will begin to wet Cu, but I'd be surprised to see it act paint-like as shown in the images unless there are other agents present. I should just get some and do an elemental analysis on it...


And the reactivity w /aluminum?
August 7, 2006 7:21:17 AM

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Either they are outright lieing about the toxicity or it's not mercury. In the first place, I'd think that would be a huge liability risk. The Cool Labs web site says it is an alloy so it could contain Hg or Ga. Look at the photos here and see how it wets the copper? I've worked quite a bit with pure Hg and have never been able to get it to wet Cu like that... Now, add some silver to Hg and it will begin to wet Cu, but I'd be surprised to see it act paint-like as shown in the images unless there are other agents present. I should just get some and do an elemental analysis on it...


And the reactivity w /aluminum?

For sure Hg will readily amalgamate Al. But I seriously doubt that this product is anywhere near pure Hg. The surface tension of pure Hg is super high - just try to apply it from a syringe onto a copper surface - it will roll off rather than wetting it as shown on the link I posted. If you aren't familiar with it, you should read up on the literature of Hg amalgams. They are known globally as health threats. I've met some of the Frozen CPU guys and cannot believe they would blindly sell Hg to unsuspecting customers. It may be an alloy with a low percentage of a toxic metal like Hg or Ga, but even a low level would be a liability risk, big time. I'll seriously put it on my list to buy some and do an elemental on it. Right now that project will slot into position 17C on the B list.
August 7, 2006 7:30:56 AM

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LOL; it's true, though. But if you want extreme overclocking, watercooling is the way to go.


My version of black ice. 8O

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=46...

But that has blue trim... Does it come in neon green?

Have you tried overclocking that unit?

Just put some EL wire on it, you'll be ok.
August 7, 2006 8:39:33 AM

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ROFL! :lol:  I'd pay to see an aluminium HSF turn into something like that!


The image is a dead link and I am itching to see it!
August 7, 2006 10:35:35 AM

It's a crumbly piece of aluminum
August 7, 2006 4:38:54 PM

Never realised alluminium could be destroyed so quickly or that mercury could do that, pretty crazy stuff!
August 7, 2006 6:53:58 PM



I think those are the pictures I've seen before. They do state mercury paste, and I'm not sure what you do to mercury to get it into a paste. So maybe that paste is an alloy? Maybe you just shock the mercury or something. Either way, I would think twice about using something that might melt through my case if I spilled it accidentally...poisonous or not.

I'm eager for you to get your hands on a sample. If it really is pure mercury, heh...

I just think there are way too many coincedences to count the option out...but who knows, maybe a not-so-poisonous alloy still reacts with any aluminum,
August 7, 2006 11:42:50 PM

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They do state mercury paste, and I'm not sure what you do to mercury to get it into a paste. So maybe that paste is an alloy?


Mercury co-dissolves certain elements. For years, dentists used mercury/silver amalgams to fill teeth. But seriously, if there's mercury in the thermal paste, it's just a matter of time before someone else owns FrozenCPU.

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Maybe you just shock the mercury or something.


It's an element, not an sensitive person.

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If it really is pure mercury, heh...


No way. Like i said before, pure Hg has a real high surface tension. So it will not wet a copper surface as is shown in the photos. No way.

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but who knows, maybe a not-so-poisonous alloy still reacts with any aluminum,


Aluminum is a fairly reactive metal, so it's not a big surprise that a product like this would react with it.
August 8, 2006 1:30:17 AM

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Yep, they use mercury to extract gold (Ag) out of grinded ore, filter, then boil it off leaving just the gold.


Did you mean Gold (Au) or Silver (Ag) ?
August 8, 2006 3:36:11 AM

I was never any good in Chemistry, it was my nemesis. I did great in all sciences except that one but, I do remember that Gold is Au.

The Au Rule: He who has the Au makes the rules. :wink:
August 8, 2006 11:23:03 AM

I was always a fan of Pb myself. Even though I hated chemistry. I just liked Pb. Pronounced "pib," not "pee-bee."

My mom up, until two years ago, taught high-school chemistry. Now she teaches AP Biology.
August 8, 2006 12:17:21 PM

They probably use a mixture of gallium and something else. Gallium is technically a solid at room temperature, but becomes a liquid if you put it in the palm of your hand.
September 22, 2007 8:33:35 PM

I work with gallium, indium, and copper alloys every day.

First, the CoolLaboratory Liquid Metal definitely does not contain mercury. You wouldn't be able to sell a hazardous material like that and it's not on the MSDS in anyway.

As far as the specific alloy composition, it's just indium and gallium mixed together. Pure gallium melts at 29.8 C, but the Ga-In eutectic is only 15.8 degrees C with 24 wt% indium. You can tune the melting point anywhere between 15.8 and 29.8 degrees C by adjusting the indium content.

Both indium and gallium have relatively high thermal conductivity, and indium makes an excellent interface with copper (it literally soaks into the copper over time). But what you will find is that as the indium soaks in to the copper of your heatsink, the melting point of the remaining material goes up. In order to remove your heat sink after a few months you'll need to heat it up first to become liquid whereas the original CoolLaboraties composition was a liquid at room temp. Kinda neat.

Gallium is also very well-known to eat through aluminum. It's illegal to ship pure gallium by Air due to the HazMat regulations, because if your package leaked gallium onto the body of the aircraft it would literally make a hole. This is the same reason CoolLaboratories tells you to avoid aluminum heat sinks.





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