If its for gamming mostly the X2 3800 is low performance than your current 3200. In single core games the 4000+ is a great CPU only topped by the E6600 to X6800 of Intels and the AMD FX55, FX57, FX60, FX62, and X2 5000+. While the 4000+ does get beat by more than a few CPU's its price for performance is unbeatable in gamming.I am runnin a AMD 3200 and looking to upgrade. Should i go with the 4000 or go to and X2 model?
Most gamers shut down all other process and mostly whats left are GPU drivers, anti-virus, software firewall's, and connection processing. Everything but connection processing and GPU drivers are single threaded so your ping may stay better and make things a little smoother. The only differance I've seen in dual core GPU's is the ATI crossfire, due to load balancing issues, does the dual cores do better in single core gamming. I dont see much of a use having crossfire or SLI on anything less than the X2 4600+ so the GPU question isn't that big.yep, by default, both the 3200+ and X2 3800+ come clocked at 2.0 GHz, so, clock for clock theyre the same...
...for even gaming though, the performance difference is more negligable (especially if your gpu is taking most of the burden anyhow graphically)... a 4000+ has a higher clock speed by default, yes (2.4 GHz)... but you basically only have half the total cpu then... games coded for single core usage can only make direct use of a single core, but with 2 cores, you will automatically benefit from the extra core on the cpu anyhow, because all other OS and process threads are offloaded from your already burdoned core when youre gaming, resulting in more fluid gameplay in general
for any other application though that isnt so gpu dependant... no comparison really, even when the bottleneck is I/O throughput where your HDD is the bottleneck for example, theres still better performance in the sense that your computer wont just be locked up for the time being
Most gamers shut down all other process and mostly whats left are GPU drivers, anti-virus, software firewall's, and connection processing. Everything but connection processing and GPU drivers are single threaded so your ping may stay better and make things a little smoother. The only differance I've seen in dual core GPU's is the ATI crossfire, due to load balancing issues, does the dual cores do better in single core gamming. I dont see much of a use having crossfire or SLI on anything less than the X2 4600+ so the GPU question isn't that big.yep, by default, both the 3200+ and X2 3800+ come clocked at 2.0 GHz, so, clock for clock theyre the same...
...for even gaming though, the performance difference is more negligable (especially if your gpu is taking most of the burden anyhow graphically)... a 4000+ has a higher clock speed by default, yes (2.4 GHz)... but you basically only have half the total cpu then... games coded for single core usage can only make direct use of a single core, but with 2 cores, you will automatically benefit from the extra core on the cpu anyhow, because all other OS and process threads are offloaded from your already burdoned core when youre gaming, resulting in more fluid gameplay in general
for any other application though that isnt so gpu dependant... no comparison really, even when the bottleneck is I/O throughput where your HDD is the bottleneck for example, theres still better performance in the sense that your computer wont just be locked up for the time being
Most gamers shut down all other process and mostly whats left are GPU drivers, anti-virus, software firewall's, and connection processing. Everything but connection processing and GPU drivers are single threaded so your ping may stay better and make things a little smoother. The only differance I've seen in dual core GPU's is the ATI crossfire, due to load balancing issues, does the dual cores do better in single core gamming. I dont see much of a use having crossfire or SLI on anything less than the X2 4600+ so the GPU question isn't that big.yep, by default, both the 3200+ and X2 3800+ come clocked at 2.0 GHz, so, clock for clock theyre the same...
...for even gaming though, the performance difference is more negligable (especially if your gpu is taking most of the burden anyhow graphically)... a 4000+ has a higher clock speed by default, yes (2.4 GHz)... but you basically only have half the total cpu then... games coded for single core usage can only make direct use of a single core, but with 2 cores, you will automatically benefit from the extra core on the cpu anyhow, because all other OS and process threads are offloaded from your already burdoned core when youre gaming, resulting in more fluid gameplay in general
for any other application though that isnt so gpu dependant... no comparison really, even when the bottleneck is I/O throughput where your HDD is the bottleneck for example, theres still better performance in the sense that your computer wont just be locked up for the time being
I think you can OC the X2 4400+ to almost a X2 5000+ performance if your into OCing. The X2 4400+ maybe a hard CPU to find as AMD is stop production of all none FX 1MB cache CPU's. If you can find it better get it quick.Thanks guys verys much for some input, i have 939 asus A8932-mvp Deluxe Crossfire board, ati 1800xt and 2 gig hyperX, i will go with a X2, looking at the 4400 since it has 1mg vs 512 on the 3800 and 4600
True but programs must be dual core compatable to be loaded on the second core. World of warcraft is dual core compatable meaning you can run two instances with a dual core CPU. The OS cant simple assign a single threaded program to the second core unless its atleast compatable with dual core. True the OS is multithreaded but anytime you leave other app's running on a gamming machine your games are competing against other process for RAM, HD, and CD-ROM and thats the reason why gammers shut them down.
True but programs must be dual core compatable to be loaded on the second core. World of warcraft is dual core compatable meaning you can run two instances with a dual core CPU. The OS cant simple assign a single threaded program to the second core unless its atleast compatable with dual core. True the OS is multithreaded but anytime you leave other app's running on a gamming machine your games are competing against other process for RAM, HD, and CD-ROM and thats the reason why gammers shut them down.
OS are highly multithreaded but anticipating the needs of any givin program they can't do. A single threaded program , none dual core compliant, will not even recognize the second core and couldnt operate correctly if forced to.
Blizzard had to make Worlds of Warcraft dual core compatable before you could run 2 instances. Before Blizzard updated WOW the program would even see the second core as to it their was none.
I see moved from the 3500+ to the X2 4200+ and ping is the only thing changed for me on both WOW and CS:S. I couldnt even run WINAMP without lowering performance but thats a HD issue.
I agree and stated so in one of my last posts. Staying with a single core here is mainly on the AM2 socket where AMD is promising new CPU's by the end of this year or early next.Well the 4000 is a very fast chip. Especially for gaming, my buddy has one with 2 7800GTX's and it amazing. However Id go for a X2 3800 or 4200 before they stop making them or before the prices go back up due to availability. This will pretty much be your last upgrade with 939.
OS are highly multithreaded but anticipating the needs of any givin program they can't do. A single threaded program , none dual core compliant, will not even recognize the second core and couldnt operate correctly if forced to.
Blizzard had to make Worlds of Warcraft dual core compatable before you could run 2 instances. Before Blizzard updated WOW the program would even see the second core as to it their was none.
I see moved from the 3500+ to the X2 4200+ and ping is the only thing changed for me on both WOW and CS:S. I couldnt even run WINAMP without lowering performance but thats a HD issue.
True but your affinity is really dual core compatable as thats is the what is allows. The OS can't switch a program but the program must be programed to do so. The OS's main function is to allocate resources and program must ask for the resources. I wish an OS could dynamically switch program from 1 core to another as that would, make multithreading worthless, and mean only having to break up programs into smaller program and just let the OS do all the multithreading work.
True but your affinity is really dual core compatable as thats is the what is allows. The OS can't switch a program but the program must be programed to do so. The OS's main function is to allocate resources and program must ask for the resources. I wish an OS could dynamically switch program from 1 core to another as that would, make multithreading worthless, and mean only having to break up programs into smaller program and just let the OS do all the multithreading work.
True as long as the single threaded code has been programmed to meet dual core compatable code requirements else the second core isnt even recognize. Dual core compatable code increase the overhead of code which may reduce performance to a small degree. Dual core compliant code penalties cause some game developers, which need to drain every ounce of performance, to opt out of complying.
True as long as the single threaded code has been programmed to meet dual core compatable code requirements else the second core isnt even recognize. Dual core compatable code increase the overhead of code which may reduce performance to a small degree. Dual core compliant code penalties cause some game developers, which need to drain every ounce of performance, to opt out of complying.
Played D2 for going on 6 years now and it was patch summer of last year v1.11. Its truly a great game but the pallys are to buffed.
Played D2 for going on 6 years now and it was patch summer of last year v1.11. Its truly a great game but the pallys are to buffed.
Played D2 for going on 6 years now and it was patch summer of last year v1.11. Its truly a great game but the pallys are to buffed.
Played D2 for going on 6 years now and it was patch summer of last year v1.11. Its truly a great game but the pallys are to buffed.
I never trusted anyone on D2 but WOW is another story. In WOW if you trust someone and they cheat you they get ban and the GM's give your stuff back. Hacks and Item sales for real money are ban as they mostly bring the good program hackers. The things I dont like about WOW is getting ganked in the middle of quests, getting ganked on my way to quests, and getting ganked on my way back to town to turn in the quests. Theres so many quest ive not even done them all yet and I've been playing now for 4 months.
The cost is high I agree and wish it was lower but you can get a 10 day free trial from a friend.