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August 6, 2006 7:56:35 PM

Well to anyone who has been following my story:

I got all the parts for my new computer friday night, thanx UPS for the 7pm delivery......

Core 2 Duo E6700 (arrived las monday)
Scythe Ninja+ CPU cooler (this thing is HUGE BTW)
Asus P5W DH Deluxe
4GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800
eVGA GeForce 7900GTX rev.2
Creative Soundblaster X-Fi
OCZ GameXtreme 700W PSU
WD Raptor 150GB (sytem)
Thermaltake Armor Series Black (with 250mm side fan)
and some nice assorted round IDE cables, color coded; you know, blue for primary IDE, black for secondary, red for floppy.... Oh whatever, it was cool to me!

I took my time building it yesterday, and i have the cerimonial cuts and puncture wounds to prove it ;) . Just finished placing it in my home office and am loading windows XP x64 as i type (on my laptop).

Alot of people have had issues with the P5W DH bios thing... so i wanna tell u all how that went. In 2 words, NO PROBLEM.. Basically, before i even put anything in the case, i set the mobo in a peice of cardboard, put in the memory, cpu, and a heatsink, hooked up and old video card and power supply, thru in a floppy drive, and booted it. my P5W DH came with v401 bios, and it booted with my Core 2 Duo with NO PROBLEMS. In fact it asked me to please go into the bios to tell it what to do with this CPU... So i rebooted, hit Alt-F2 to access EZ-Flash, put the bios disk in the floppy drive and 2 min later, DONE. no problems whatsover. Booted with no problems after that. SO in short you DO NOT need a chip, that's BS, you just need to flash the bios. and you DO NOT need another CPU either.

everything BARELY fits in my armor case.. and the case is huge!!! the scythe cpu cooler has about 1/4 inch clearance from the huge 25cm side fan on the armor case. good thing the cpu fan mounts on the side of the heatsink. But if anyone was wondering, the scythe ninja does fit on the P5W DH with no problems. you just can't install the active chipset cooler b/c the heatsink is so big.. but if you have proper ventilation, u shouldn't need it anyway. in the bios the c2d idled at 19c, and the mobo at around 35c.

Now comes the long part, loading the OS, reloading all my programs, games, and data. when i'm done i'll run some benchmarks and post them, along with some actual pictures of the computer, if anyone is interested in how everything fits in there.

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August 6, 2006 8:08:25 PM

i would really love to see some pics! if u could remove the side of the case to see inside :D  im expecting 20+ pics of all angles! lol

btw are you going to oc it? and to what?
August 6, 2006 8:12:21 PM

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i would really love to see some pics! if u could remove the side of the case to see inside :D  im expecting 20+ pics of all angles! lol

btw are you going to oc it? and to what?


i'll remove the side panel, but don't expect 20 pics! lol

I plan to overclock it yes... My goal, at least for now, is 333fsb (1333), at 3.333GHz. We'll see if i can reach that with any stability. but i think i'd settle for 300fsb (1200) at 3.0GHz.
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August 6, 2006 8:12:23 PM

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along with some actual pictures of the computer, if anyone is interested in how everything fits in there.


Good info on BIOS flash. Yes, photos good, post photos.

I also have a Ninja plus and could not believe how much my mobo flexed when I mounted it. Way to heavy for my feeble imagination. I put the 9500 back on...
August 6, 2006 8:14:01 PM

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along with some actual pictures of the computer, if anyone is interested in how everything fits in there.


Good info on BIOS flash. Yes, photos good, post photos.

I also have a Ninja plus and could not believe how much my mobo flexed when I mounted it. Way to heavy for my feeble imagination. I put the 9500 back on...

well the enire back of the P5W DH is a metal plate for cooling, so that gives this particular mobo a lot of rigidity. i didn't really have any problems mounting the ninja, except sticking on their d@mned backplate right (it's adhesive... GRRR).
August 6, 2006 8:14:53 PM

Nice man.

Looking forward to see your results and pics.
August 6, 2006 8:27:26 PM

only 3GHz? iv been hearing people saying u can hit 3.5GHz with stock cooling using a E6600... im so confused now.. with ur cooling shouldnt u be able to run 3.5 stabily?
August 6, 2006 8:27:42 PM

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well the enire back of the P5W DH is a metal plate for cooling, so that gives this particular mobo a lot of rigidity.


Neat. I like that design idea. Ever measure temps on the back of mobos and graphics cards? Some of the hottest system temps are found there.
August 6, 2006 9:19:01 PM

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Wait, wait --- how could you have built, booted, flashed, and played when C2D is still in the paper launch phase?
Just ask mpjesse. :wink:
August 6, 2006 10:42:42 PM

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only 3GHz? iv been hearing people saying u can hit 3.5GHz with stock cooling using a E6600... im so confused now.. with ur cooling shouldnt u be able to run 3.5 stabily?


Ever think that he may not be comfortable or may not want to overclock that far. The E6600 may be able to do it, that doesn't mean everyone will
August 7, 2006 3:39:38 AM

Please post the benches when you have some :D 
August 7, 2006 3:45:01 AM

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Thermaltake Armor Series Black (with 250mm side fan)


They make 250mm fans?
August 7, 2006 4:00:48 AM

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Nice man.

Looking forward to see your results and pics.


I'm with ya! I wanna see this beast! :D 
August 7, 2006 4:13:45 AM

Are you sure it is idling at 19C. Mine is idling at 30 with water cooling. at 3.60ghz its idling temp is around 40C-45C with 1.5v vcore.
Danbooky
August 7, 2006 6:01:33 AM

Thats a f**king box fan attached to the side of your PC... if your AC breaks down in your house... just put that mofo in your window instead!
August 7, 2006 6:48:12 AM

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Thermaltake Armor Series Black (with 250mm side fan)


They make 250mm fans?

Cool TT Megafan Case

Pic.

Thats badass. Now if I could just get some for the front and back of my case.
August 7, 2006 6:54:39 AM

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Thermaltake Armor Series Black (with 250mm side fan)


They make 250mm fans?

Cool TT Megafan Case

Pic.

Thats badass. Now if I could just get some for the front and back of my case.

just do it ghetto style :D 
August 7, 2006 6:58:40 AM

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Fail, nah.


screw driver + big ass fan = win. but will be pain in the ass though :?
August 7, 2006 7:09:24 AM

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Thats badass. Now if I could just get some for the front and back of my case.


Vision of DVD being sucked into inlet fan, then arm, forehead...
August 7, 2006 7:33:43 AM

May your wounds heal, and I hope to hear that you smile alot more now! When you can, tell us how it runs!
August 7, 2006 8:07:22 AM

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Thermaltake Armor Series Black (with 250mm side fan)


They make 250mm fans?

Cool TT Megafan Case

Pic.

Thats badass. Now if I could just get some for the front and back of my case.10"+ wide case needed. :o 
August 7, 2006 12:53:01 PM

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Well to anyone who has been following my story:

I got all the parts for my new computer friday night, thanx UPS for the 7pm delivery......

Core 2 Duo E6700 (arrived las monday)
Scythe Ninja+ CPU cooler (this thing is HUGE BTW)
Asus P5W DH Deluxe
4GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800
eVGA GeForce 7900GTX rev.2
Creative Soundblaster X-Fi
OCZ GameXtreme 700W PSU
WD Raptor 150GB (sytem)
Thermaltake Armor Series Black (with 250mm side fan)


Man ..... that is one killer rig. How much did it cost you ???

No, seriously. I wanna know. :D  ;) 
August 8, 2006 3:36:43 AM

btw why in the world do u need 4 gigs of ram?! 8O
August 9, 2006 2:13:23 PM

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btw why in the world do u need 4 gigs of ram?! 8O


B/c i'm a digital artist and 3D modeler :roll:, and 3d modeling proggies suck ram like it's going out of style... i would have gotten 16GB if i could have afforded it, and found a motherboard to support it.
August 9, 2006 2:23:32 PM

OK guys, sorry for the long delay... there were some real life issues in my home that had me distracted... to summerize:

I was running a stress test on the computer, i went to get a snack, i smell the smell of burning plastic (no, don't go OMG yet), i rush to the computer thinking OMG!!!!!... no, not the computer... OH F*CK! THE HOUSE IS ON FIRE!!!! No.... what is it... wait why is it coming out of the air vents!?!? long story short, blown compressor... so i had to spend a day getting my A/C fixed... and thanking the gods ASUS and INTEL for not burning my new computer.

SO, here are some pics of the computer and some benchmarks... i was kinda disappointed in my 3dmark06 score, but i only have ONE 7900GTX, so meh... But i liked the superpi numbers, 8M took 13min on my p4 3.73GHz!!! These are all non-overclocked results.

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PIC6

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Benchmarks2


UPDATE:

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My motherboard is running pretty hot, i beleive it's either an issue with early release versions of the P5W DH, or a miscalibrated sensor, so i ordered an active chipset cooler to see if that helps.
August 9, 2006 2:47:17 PM

Nice. :D 

Might wanna get some more wire control going on in there, if possible.
August 9, 2006 2:52:19 PM

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Nice. :D 

Might wanna get some more wire control going on in there, if possible.


ok, OMG, i soooo cable tied EVERYTHING down, but the PSU's cables are all like 36+ inches, and when you have 6 hard drives and 5 fans, it adds up to a lot of cables man!
August 9, 2006 3:03:42 PM

Is that big @$$ fan pulling IN cool air or blowing OUT hot air??? I assume it's pulling in the cold air...

Oh yeah, and just how loud IS this thing?
August 9, 2006 3:06:31 PM

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Nice. :D 

Might wanna get some more wire control going on in there, if possible.


ok, OMG, i soooo cable tied EVERYTHING down, but the PSU's cables are all like 36+ inches, and when you have 6 hard drives and 5 fans, it adds up to a lot of cables man!

Sorry. :oops: 

I really didn't look that hard on the case design till now.

So you have a big fan on the side, and top fan for intake then exhaust on the rear, and PSU.

I'm used to front, side, and rear case fans. So I was thinking you might air flow congestion from the front, but I guess that is not going to matter.
August 9, 2006 3:59:36 PM

I thought the armor drew in from the front and side, and threw it out the top and rear.
August 9, 2006 4:06:33 PM

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Nice. :D 

Might wanna get some more wire control going on in there, if possible.


ok, OMG, i soooo cable tied EVERYTHING down, but the PSU's cables are all like 36+ inches, and when you have 6 hard drives and 5 fans, it adds up to a lot of cables man!

I've got the same case minus the mondo attic fan. I only have 4 HDs in it but do have 2 opticals, an all-in-one fan controller/thermocouple panel/usb/etc., an XFi w/ front panel controls, etc. What I did was to run my power behind the 5.25" rack, so you don't see it till you open the back door. The power supply feeds can be plumbed from behind the 5.25" rack through the ports in the rack and it's a real clean setup. I ran fan cables under the mobo as well as the power/restart/etc., cables. I yanked the top panel USB/firewire rats nest since I'd put in the front panel all-in-one. I bought SATA cables of the length needed for each drive from Sidewinder. Ditto on round IDE cables - shop around and you can find the right lengths. Not having extra cable lenghts out in the mobo area of the case is a big plus for being able to work in the box, let alone that it looks much cleaner. On a different box, I made custom PS cables to exact length and that works really excellent if you want to take the time to make them up. Teflon insulated wire rocks!

Anyway, the thing to do is what you did - get the PC up and running so you know all the parts are OK, then worry about cosmetics and organization later.
August 9, 2006 4:22:31 PM

Dude how loud is this thing? Dam! The processor heatsink Scythe Ninja is big as F*CK! whats the temperature when the processor is idle? I also know that big 250mm fan helps alot removing the hot air from inside.

I dont like too many wires and cables. You should have take care of that at the beggining. Also that can be a temperature problem too. I believe there is a fan in the bottom front of the case which is to remove hot air from the bottom of the case but with all those cables the fan is useless.
August 9, 2006 4:45:39 PM

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Are you sure it is idling at 19C. Mine is idling at 30 with water cooling. at 3.60ghz its idling temp is around 40C-45C with 1.5v vcore.
Danbooky


19C seems too low. Thats a bit lower than normal room temp.
August 9, 2006 4:48:28 PM

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Anyway, the thing to do is what you did - get the PC up and running so you know all the parts are OK, then worry about cosmetics and organization later.


I agree, but I like getting things done from the near start. If you have all the time in the world, I guess it doesn't matter. :wink:

Although, that case is something I've never had/worked with. I've never really done a show type case (clear side). Prolly on my 1st attempt it would look abit crammed if I had that much hardware. :lol: 
August 9, 2006 5:04:15 PM

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Is that big @$$ fan pulling IN cool air or blowing OUT hot air??? I assume it's pulling in the cold air...

Oh yeah, and just how loud IS this thing?


i beleive it's exhaust.... as for the noise, it's the QUIETEST computer i have ever owned. half as loud as my previous one. its about as loud as someone blowing on a spoonfull of hot soup!
August 9, 2006 5:05:28 PM

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Dude how loud is this thing? Dam! The processor heatsink Scythe Ninja is big as F*CK! whats the temperature when the processor is idle? I also know that big 250mm fan helps alot removing the hot air from inside.

I dont like too many wires and cables. You should have take care of that at the beggining. Also that can be a temperature problem too. I believe there is a fan in the bottom front of the case which is to remove hot air from the bottom of the case but with all those cables the fan is useless.


CPU idles b/w 23-25C in windows, and around 19-20C in BIOS. It never topped 30C running 3DMark06

the way i have it set up, the scythe fan is blowing toward the heatsink... meaning its blowing toward the back of the case, where the air is picked up from the bottom rear exhaust fan, and shunted right out of the case.

btw, the fan in the front of the case is adjustable, i have it at middle height in the front, and it's air INTAKE, not exhaust. the entire front of the case is grilled air vent for intake, the rest of the fans are exhaust.

u try fitting 2 sata power cables (3 connectors each), 3 sata data cables, 2 ide cables (2 devices each), 2 molex cables (3 connecters each), 2 CPU 12+ volt lines, the main motherboard feed, 2 PCIE feeds, , 5 fans, and one HUGE heatsink into one case and see if u dont have some cable issues :) 
August 9, 2006 5:07:16 PM

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Are you sure it is idling at 19C. Mine is idling at 30 with water cooling. at 3.60ghz its idling temp is around 40C-45C with 1.5v vcore.
Danbooky


19C seems too low. Thats a bit lower than normal room temp.

if you read my remark that was in the bios that it was idling at 19-20C. the scythe heatsink is cool to the touch at room temp.
August 9, 2006 5:11:56 PM

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Anyway, the thing to do is what you did - get the PC up and running so you know all the parts are OK, then worry about cosmetics and organization later.


I agree, but I like getting things done from the near start. If you have all the time in the world, I guess it doesn't matter. :wink:

Sure, I understand that angle since some projects never get completed. But the first time you work with a specific case, mobo, etc., you might not drop into the best setup on your first try. So if you do a quick first iteration, then stand back and think, you can maybe see things you didn't the first go round. If you have loads of practice, especially with a specific case, then there's no need to go this route.

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Although, that case is something I've never had/worked with. I've never really done a show type case (clear side). Prolly on my 1st attempt it would look abit crammed if I had that much hardware. :lol: 


I'm sure you could deal with it just fine. There's bound to be a little disco mentality somewhere deep down inside of you.
August 9, 2006 5:23:22 PM

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Man ..... that is one killer rig. How much did it cost you ???

No, seriously. I wanna know. :D  ;) 


total? Around $2650 with shipping.
August 9, 2006 6:38:10 PM

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Man ..... that is one killer rig. How much did it cost you ???

No, seriously. I wanna know. :D  ;) 


total? Around $2650 with shipping.

Say dude.. u dont happen to be single ?? :lol: 
August 9, 2006 6:51:53 PM

Yo, Im not saying you did a bad job, Im just trying to say it would look better with cables and wires together looking like there is only 1. Also cooling would be better.

Anyways congratulations for your PC, it looks nice and fast. kinda loud but still you know that PC will last you long... but I mean long
August 9, 2006 7:47:05 PM

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Are you sure it is idling at 19C. Mine is idling at 30 with water cooling. at 3.60ghz its idling temp is around 40C-45C with 1.5v vcore.
Danbooky


19C seems too low. Thats a bit lower than normal room temp.

if you read my remark that was in the bios that it was idling at 19-20C. the scythe heatsink is cool to the touch at room temp.

Ok, seems that BIOS reading is too low then. *shrug*
August 9, 2006 8:12:51 PM

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Are you sure it is idling at 19C. Mine is idling at 30 with water cooling. at 3.60ghz its idling temp is around 40C-45C with 1.5v vcore.
Danbooky


19C seems too low. Thats a bit lower than normal room temp.

if you read my remark that was in the bios that it was idling at 19-20C. the scythe heatsink is cool to the touch at room temp.

Ok, seems that BIOS reading is too low then. *shrug*

Seems normal to me. My E6600 is idling @ 23.5'C with a stock Intel cooler
August 11, 2006 4:57:53 AM

so i added active coolers for the northbridge and southbridge today, brought my MB temps down by 7C! Nice. I also switched out the stock thermaltake 90mm fans with 2 more blue LED fans... Now it looks like i have a radioactive brick for a computer... NIOCE!!! :)  it glows from every crack and orifice, even the chipset coolers for the NB and SB are blue LED.

I broke open my wallet again for a mouse and keyboard combo that would work on XPx64, namely the MX5000 by logitech... they work ok, if you get this guys UberOptions pack that lets you define any button any way you want. it's a laser mouse, nice accuracy.

never had bluetooth before, so i dunno, i hope no FURTHER problems arise... other than the one i'm having now. the Bluetooth is MAD interfering with the 2.4GHz cordless TV Tuner i have in my room... i nned to find a solution to that... any way to shield the tuner from the bluetooth interference?

as far as temps go, the c2d still idles around 23-25C in windows, my motherboard now idles around 39-41C (down from 47-48C). And my C2D peaks between 30-31C at full load!
August 11, 2006 5:16:43 AM

ah sweet nice rig :D !, could we have another pic with all those new fans ? :wink:

btw if ur cpu is running so low, why not oc it?

*and could u give me a link to the things u bought to cool down ur mobo? since i dont exactly know what ur talking about (im new to this stuff)

*also whats the max temp for the E6600 and E6700?

*and what do u mean by motherboard Chip Coolers for North and South bridge?? what are the north and south bridges, and what do they look like?

*is there any other way to cool ram, other than ramsinks?
August 11, 2006 6:43:47 AM

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ah sweet nice rig :D !, could we have another pic with all those new fans ? :wink:

I'll try and take another pic or two tomorrow or something.

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btw if ur cpu is running so low, why not oc it?

I'm going to, but i have another couple of days worth of software to install first. I'll get around too it, and yes, i'll post updates.

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*and could u give me a link to the things u bought to cool down ur mobo? since i dont exactly know what ur talking about (im new to this stuff)

What i used were Motherboard Chipset coolers (for the north bridge and south bridge).
HERE is an example of a chipset cooler.

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*also whats the max temp for the E6600 and E6700?

what do you mean max temp? The max mine is running at? or the theoretical maximum be4 you burn up the chip? If the latter, i really don't know for sure, but i'd start becoming worried around 65C for a Core 2 Duo...

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*and what do u mean by motherboard Chip Coolers for North and South bridge?? what are the north and south bridges, and what do they look like?

Obviously, not bridges... the north and south bridges on a motherboard are the motherboard's main chipsets, like the 975X Northbridge and the ICH7R southbridge for example.

You can look up Northbridge (computing) and Southbridge (computing) on wikipedia for a more detailed explaination of their function. As for how to identify them, they're gonna be the other 2 things on your motherboard with some kind of heatsink...

In THIS PICTURE of the Asus P5W DH (borrowed from Newegg.com), i've circled the Northbridge in red, and the Southbridge in blue. Remember, if your mobo comes with shiny frilly brass coverplates (as shown), you'll have to remove them in order to install a chipset cooler.

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*is there any other way to cool ram, other than ramsinks?


first off i've never heard the term ramsinks ;) , they're usually just called heatsinks or heat spreaders (more specifically in the case of RAM).

THIS is an example of a simple heat spreader for RAM

And THIS is an example of an active heatsink for a RAM chip.
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