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Anonymous
December 19, 2004 1:04:50 AM

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I'm susprised at how paltry the rewards are for finishing all of the quests
for a given faction.

The Imperial Legion? Yay, you get to have the Lords Armor and the
Chrysamere sword back - which you had to find yourself and give to the guy
in the first place. You could have saved the trouble just by finding them
and not giving them to him. Not to mention there are better armors and
swords out there, and many even easier to find. Perhaps the most
disappointing part about this was that there are still some members of the
Legion who will refuse to talk to me if I'm out of uniform. Damnit, I'm the
highest ranking officer in the Legion. If I come in wearing nothing but a
thong, tutu and gimp mask, you're still required to talk to me. That it, as
your illustrious leader, I hereby rescind the uniform rule. Hmm. Oh well,
it was worth a shot...

The Mage's Guild? You get, um, nothing. I'd think at the very least they'd
make the Guild Guides free, not that they're that expensive to begin with.
But you don't get even that. I suppose if you duel Trebonius to get your
promotion you can get those cool items he's got, but then I could pretty
much kill him at any time if I really wanted those, and since it's possible
to become Arch-Mage without killing him, it's not really a guaranteed
reward.

The Imperial Cult? Okay, you get a few new quests from the Oracle to go
find some items - but not one you couldn't find on your own without even
being a member of the cult. How about this idea? Make Divine Intervention
give you a choice between which shrine you go to, rather than picking the
closest one automatically? That would actually be worth the effort.

The Temple? You get the Cuirass of the Savior's Hide, which I guess is
cool, since you can't get that any other way. However, it's not the
greatest armor in the world, and the Shield spell it casts I find to be
highly annoying. A better reward would be to allow Almsivi Intervention to
give you a choice, as I mentionned above. Or I should be able to get the
Ordinators to do stuff for me, that would be cool.

Those are the only ones I've completed, though I'm one mission away from
being the Fighter's Guild boss. (Can't decide between killing all the
Thieves Guild bosses or killing the Fighter's Guild bosses. Not sure what
the consequences will be...) I know you get a Manor for completing any of
the Great Houses' missions, though I've heard that's not all it's cracked up
to be, but even so, that sounds like a worthwhile reward compared to the
useless stuff all these other factions give you.

Also, being the boss, shouldn't I be able to, like, you know, give orders
and stuff? I should be able to command some newbie recruits to go out and
find me stuff, or hire a couple out as bodyguards sometimes. But no, pretty
much the only thing you get most of the time is high disposition of the
faction members, which of course results in lower disposition for all the
factions that hate them.

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Anonymous
December 19, 2004 7:04:57 AM

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Darrel Hoffman wrote:

> Also, being the boss, shouldn't I be able to, like, you know, give orders
> and stuff?

"Give your orders" mod, over at thelys.org

I love being some Imperial ICanOrderYouAround Knight (don't need to be
the boss, some higher rank is good enough), then get a bunch of
Legionnaires and go visit some bandits.

Works well together with "Morrowind Comes Alive" which adds the folks
you can recruit.


Otherwise, concerning unmodded Morrowind the rewards are quite
irrelevant. Fortunately, there are good mods to fix this, making it
actually worthwhile to gain a higher rank in a guild.
Anonymous
December 19, 2004 8:03:04 AM

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Your 'real' reward in Morrowind is saving the world. And since the
next time some petty idiot decided to "change" a bunch of
people into his/her devoted "followers", that bunch of people
could include you, your offspring and your friends.....saving the
world does have some prospect of personal gain (or lack of
personal loss).
Related resources
December 19, 2004 6:58:17 PM

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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 22:04:50 -0500, "Darrel Hoffman" <i.dont@think.so>
wrote:

>I'm susprised at how paltry the rewards are for finishing all of the quests
>for a given faction.
>
>
>The Mage's Guild? You get, um, nothing. I'd think at the very least they'd
>make the Guild Guides free, not that they're that expensive to begin with.
>But you don't get even that. I suppose if you duel Trebonius to get your
>promotion you can get those cool items he's got, but then I could pretty
>much kill him at any time if I really wanted those, and since it's possible
>to become Arch-Mage without killing him, it's not really a guaranteed
>reward.
>

Actually, if you do things right, Trebonius will give you
all of his items. This option will appear in his dialog only
if (a) you are head of the mages guild (b) you did not duel
him (c) you have completed the Main Quest. I think you
click on "duties" but I'm not sure because it has been
awhile since I did this.

>
>The Temple? You get the Cuirass of the Savior's Hide, which I guess is
>cool, since you can't get that any other way. However, it's not the
>greatest armor in the world, and the Shield spell it casts I find to be
>highly annoying. A better reward would be to allow Almsivi Intervention to
>give you a choice, as I mentionned above. Or I should be able to get the
>Ordinators to do stuff for me, that would be cool.
>

Not only that, when you are head of the Temple, they
*still* won't let you in that moon. feh!
Anonymous
December 20, 2004 12:26:27 AM

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Bob wrote:
| On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 22:04:50 -0500, "Darrel Hoffman" <i.dont@think.so>
| wrote:
|
|
|>I'm susprised at how paltry the rewards are for finishing all of the quests
|>for a given faction.
|>
|>
|>The Mage's Guild? You get, um, nothing. I'd think at the very least they'd
|>make the Guild Guides free, not that they're that expensive to begin with.
|>But you don't get even that. I suppose if you duel Trebonius to get your
|>promotion you can get those cool items he's got, but then I could pretty
|>much kill him at any time if I really wanted those, and since it's possible
|>to become Arch-Mage without killing him, it's not really a guaranteed
|>reward.
|>
|
|
| Actually, if you do things right, Trebonius will give you
| all of his items. This option will appear in his dialog only
| if (a) you are head of the mages guild (b) you did not duel
| him (c) you have completed the Main Quest. I think you
| click on "duties" but I'm not sure because it has been
| awhile since I did this.

IIRC you need to do all his quests first.

|>The Temple? You get the Cuirass of the Savior's Hide, which I guess is
|>cool, since you can't get that any other way. However, it's not the
|>greatest armor in the world, and the Shield spell it casts I find to be
|>highly annoying. A better reward would be to allow Almsivi Intervention to
|>give you a choice, as I mentionned above. Or I should be able to get the
|>Ordinators to do stuff for me, that would be cool.
|>
|
|
| Not only that, when you are head of the Temple, they
| *still* won't let you in that moon. feh!

Can you actually get up there? In my current game I'm not working for the temple, but
I wonder if I could levitate up there every time I go to Vivec.


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Leo Fellmann
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Anonymous
December 20, 2004 2:13:22 AM

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> | Actually, if you do things right, Trebonius will give you
> | all of his items. This option will appear in his dialog only
> | if (a) you are head of the mages guild (b) you did not duel
> | him (c) you have completed the Main Quest. I think you
> | click on "duties" but I'm not sure because it has been
> | awhile since I did this.
>
> IIRC you need to do all his quests first.

Well, I'm good on (a) and (b). I've been holding off on (c) for some
reason. I've already gotten Wraithguard, Sunder, and Keening, so I suppose
I could go and finish it all now, but then everything else would be a kind
of denoument.

Oddly enough, in the Quest section of my journal, it still says I'm supposed
to give Trebonius the note from Skink, and I've still got the note, but I am
now head of the Guild, so I must have done something right. Just weird that
the quest entry is still there, even though I've supposedly "finished" the
quest. I've also got an item called "Skink's Amulet", which looks just like
any old extravagant amulet, and has no special powers or anything on it. I
wonder what I'm supposed to do with that?

> | Not only that, when you are head of the Temple, they
> | *still* won't let you in that moon. feh!
>
> Can you actually get up there? In my current game I'm not working for the
temple, but
> I wonder if I could levitate up there every time I go to Vivec.

Yeah, do the main quests and you will eventually have to go there. (You can
levitate there any time, of course, but I'm not sure if you can pick the
locks. They're level 80, so it shouldn't be too difficult with some decent
Security or a Lock-Splitter scroll, but this may be one of those cases where
you need the key. Not sure. You will get it on the main quest line,
however.)
Anonymous
December 20, 2004 3:54:04 AM

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Darrel Hoffman wrote:

> I'm susprised at how paltry the rewards are for finishing all of the quests
> for a given faction.
>
> The Imperial Legion? Yay, you get to have the Lords Armor and the
> Chrysamere sword back - which you had to find yourself and give to the guy
> in the first place. You could have saved the trouble just by finding them
> and not giving them to him. Not to mention there are better armors and
> swords out there, and many even easier to find. Perhaps the most
> disappointing part about this was that there are still some members of the
> Legion who will refuse to talk to me if I'm out of uniform. Damnit, I'm the
> highest ranking officer in the Legion. If I come in wearing nothing but a
> thong, tutu and gimp mask, you're still required to talk to me. That it, as
> your illustrious leader, I hereby rescind the uniform rule. Hmm. Oh well,
> it was worth a shot...
>
> The Mage's Guild? You get, um, nothing. I'd think at the very least they'd
> make the Guild Guides free, not that they're that expensive to begin with.
> But you don't get even that. I suppose if you duel Trebonius to get your
> promotion you can get those cool items he's got, but then I could pretty
> much kill him at any time if I really wanted those, and since it's possible
> to become Arch-Mage without killing him, it's not really a guaranteed
> reward.
>
> The Imperial Cult? Okay, you get a few new quests from the Oracle to go
> find some items - but not one you couldn't find on your own without even
> being a member of the cult. How about this idea? Make Divine Intervention
> give you a choice between which shrine you go to, rather than picking the
> closest one automatically? That would actually be worth the effort.
>
> The Temple? You get the Cuirass of the Savior's Hide, which I guess is
> cool, since you can't get that any other way. However, it's not the
> greatest armor in the world, and the Shield spell it casts I find to be
> highly annoying. A better reward would be to allow Almsivi Intervention to
> give you a choice, as I mentionned above. Or I should be able to get the
> Ordinators to do stuff for me, that would be cool.
>

The reward for the Temple quests is the Ebony Mail, not the Curiass of
the Savior's Hide.


> Those are the only ones I've completed, though I'm one mission away from
> being the Fighter's Guild boss. (Can't decide between killing all the
> Thieves Guild bosses or killing the Fighter's Guild bosses. Not sure what
> the consequences will be...) I know you get a Manor for completing any of
> the Great Houses' missions, though I've heard that's not all it's cracked up
> to be, but even so, that sounds like a worthwhile reward compared to the
> useless stuff all these other factions give you.
>
> Also, being the boss, shouldn't I be able to, like, you know, give orders
> and stuff? I should be able to command some newbie recruits to go out and
> find me stuff, or hire a couple out as bodyguards sometimes. But no, pretty
> much the only thing you get most of the time is high disposition of the
> faction members, which of course results in lower disposition for all the
> factions that hate them.
>
>
Anonymous
December 20, 2004 3:54:05 AM

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> > The Temple? You get the Cuirass of the Savior's Hide, which I guess is
> > cool, since you can't get that any other way. However, it's not the
> > greatest armor in the world, and the Shield spell it casts I find to be
> > highly annoying. A better reward would be to allow Almsivi Intervention
to
> > give you a choice, as I mentionned above. Or I should be able to get
the
> > Ordinators to do stuff for me, that would be cool.
>
> The reward for the Temple quests is the Ebony Mail, not the Curiass of
> the Savior's Hide.

Yeah, I noticed that after I wrote it. Cuirass of the Savior's Hide is the
one I'm wearing now in preference to the Ebony Mail.
Anonymous
December 20, 2004 11:50:53 AM

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Peter Strempel wrote:
>
> Darrel Hoffman wrote:
>
> > Also, being the boss, shouldn't I be able to, like, you know, give orders
> > and stuff?
>
> "Give your orders" mod, over at thelys.org
>
> I love being some Imperial ICanOrderYouAround Knight (don't need to be
> the boss, some higher rank is good enough), then get a bunch of
> Legionnaires and go visit some bandits.
>
> Works well together with "Morrowind Comes Alive" which adds the folks
> you can recruit.
>
> Otherwise, concerning unmodded Morrowind the rewards are quite
> irrelevant. Fortunately, there are good mods to fix this, making it
> actually worthwhile to gain a higher rank in a guild.

Seconded - get Dracandros Voice (sp?) to go with Give Your Orders as
well and things really start to take off. My previous character was
Archmaster of House Redoran and could literally have a private army any
time he wanted it.
December 20, 2004 11:50:54 AM

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Snipped above
> Seconded - get Dracandros Voice (sp?) to go with Give Your Orders as
> well and things really start to take off. My previous character was
> Archmaster of House Redoran and could literally have a private army any
> time he wanted it.

Do you have a URL for Dracandros Voice
Search has produced nothing for me. :-(
Thanks,
drybones
Anonymous
December 20, 2004 8:41:11 PM

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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:13:21 -0800, drybones <drybones@nospam.net> wrote:

>
> Snipped above
>> Seconded - get Dracandros Voice (sp?) to go with Give Your Orders as
>> well and things really start to take off. My previous character was
>> Archmaster of House Redoran and could literally have a private army any
>> time he wanted it.
>
> Do you have a URL for Dracandros Voice
> Search has produced nothing for me. :-(

http://www.rpgplanet.com/morrowind/modcontrols/mods.asp
December 21, 2004 9:53:15 AM

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Many Thanks, Bjoern. :-))

"Bjoern Liffers" <bjoernhenning.liffers@dialup.fh-aachen.de> wrote in
message news:o psjbfaxy6036b7o@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:13:21 -0800, drybones <drybones@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Snipped above
>>> Seconded - get Dracandros Voice (sp?) to go with Give Your Orders as
>>> well and things really start to take off. My previous character was
>>> Archmaster of House Redoran and could literally have a private army any
>>> time he wanted it.
>>
>> Do you have a URL for Dracandros Voice
>> Search has produced nothing for me. :-(
>
> http://www.rpgplanet.com/morrowind/modcontrols/mods.asp
>
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