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Anonymous
October 12, 2004 8:05:49 PM

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With a Master Drive and as exact a copy of it as I
can make operating in Slave position, jumpered as
Slave, I change only HDD-0 to HDD-1 in BIOS to boot
to the Slave. The XP on the Slave operates just fine.

But I want to plug that "Slave" drive in as the single
drive, alone on the system, jumpered as "Single or
"master", boot to it as HDD-0 and run. This is my way
of having foolproof backup----an exact duplicate,
runnable drive, to swap in, in place of the Master,
at any time.

What do I have to do? I can change boot.ini or anything
else on the "Slave" before switching over, but exactly
what? Sometimes it boots, sometimes it hangs in the
blue Windows logo screen (with the "loading personal
settings" message missing).
--
William B. Lurie

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Anonymous
October 18, 2004 7:00:31 PM

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How are you making the copy of one to the other?
My suggestion is that you get a mirroring program and make an image of your
Master onto the Slave, just to make sure that in fact they are identical,
not "as exact copy as I can make"... if and when emergency strikes you do
not want only the latter to be true.

"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:%23p0n8bJsEHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> With a Master Drive and as exact a copy of it as I
> can make operating in Slave position, jumpered as
> Slave, I change only HDD-0 to HDD-1 in BIOS to boot
> to the Slave. The XP on the Slave operates just fine.
>
> But I want to plug that "Slave" drive in as the single
> drive, alone on the system, jumpered as "Single or
> "master", boot to it as HDD-0 and run. This is my way
> of having foolproof backup----an exact duplicate,
> runnable drive, to swap in, in place of the Master,
> at any time.
>
> What do I have to do? I can change boot.ini or anything
> else on the "Slave" before switching over, but exactly
> what? Sometimes it boots, sometimes it hangs in the
> blue Windows logo screen (with the "loading personal
> settings" message missing).
> --
> William B. Lurie
Anonymous
October 18, 2004 7:00:32 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Thank you, Alphonse. I'm making the copy any one of three
ways....Symantec (Power Quest) Drive Image 7 in "Copy a Drive"
mode.......or that Drive Image 7 in "Make a Drive Image and
then Restore" mode.......or Symantec (Power Quest) Partition
Magic in "Copy a Partition" mode.

I don't know what you mean by a "mirroring program". And if and
when emergency strikes I am quite satisfied to have as exact a
copy as I can make, because the I'll be able to put everything
back in operation as of the date I made the copy. The stuff
that will be "out of date" I update daily by copying a few
data files to a CD.

Alphonse wrote:
> How are you making the copy of one to the other?
> My suggestion is that you get a mirroring program and make an image of your
> Master onto the Slave, just to make sure that in fact they are identical,
> not "as exact copy as I can make"... if and when emergency strikes you do
> not want only the latter to be true.
>
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:%23p0n8bJsEHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
>>With a Master Drive and as exact a copy of it as I
>>can make operating in Slave position, jumpered as
>>Slave, I change only HDD-0 to HDD-1 in BIOS to boot
>>to the Slave. The XP on the Slave operates just fine.
>>
>>But I want to plug that "Slave" drive in as the single
>>drive, alone on the system, jumpered as "Single or
>>"master", boot to it as HDD-0 and run. This is my way
>>of having foolproof backup----an exact duplicate,
>>runnable drive, to swap in, in place of the Master,
>>at any time.
>>
>>What do I have to do? I can change boot.ini or anything
>>else on the "Slave" before switching over, but exactly
>>what? Sometimes it boots, sometimes it hangs in the
>>blue Windows logo screen (with the "loading personal
>>settings" message missing).
>>--
>> William B. Lurie
>
>
>


--
William B. Lurie
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Anonymous
October 18, 2004 7:48:58 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

By mirroring program I meant exactly what you are using. I'm sorry that I
understood your initial statement for what so many people try to do, which
is to manually copy one drive to the other. By the way, I would copy the
drive, not the partition, unless you have two identical drives--meaning size
and brand--or the second larger than the first.

I suppose you have only one partition on each drive. When your HDD-1 does
boot being stand-alone, what letter does Win give it? Do you still have a C
drive or has it kept the letter attributed to it from when it was a Slave?

If you get it to boot, check your Event Viewer for the failed times.


"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:%23c6nlURtEHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Thank you, Alphonse. I'm making the copy any one of three
> ways....Symantec (Power Quest) Drive Image 7 in "Copy a Drive"
> mode.......or that Drive Image 7 in "Make a Drive Image and
> then Restore" mode.......or Symantec (Power Quest) Partition
> Magic in "Copy a Partition" mode.
>
> I don't know what you mean by a "mirroring program". And if and
> when emergency strikes I am quite satisfied to have as exact a
> copy as I can make, because the I'll be able to put everything
> back in operation as of the date I made the copy. The stuff
> that will be "out of date" I update daily by copying a few
> data files to a CD.
>
> Alphonse wrote:
>> How are you making the copy of one to the other?
>> My suggestion is that you get a mirroring program and make an image of
>> your Master onto the Slave, just to make sure that in fact they are
>> identical, not "as exact copy as I can make"... if and when emergency
>> strikes you do not want only the latter to be true.
>>
>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>> news:%23p0n8bJsEHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>With a Master Drive and as exact a copy of it as I
>>>can make operating in Slave position, jumpered as
>>>Slave, I change only HDD-0 to HDD-1 in BIOS to boot
>>>to the Slave. The XP on the Slave operates just fine.
>>>
>>>But I want to plug that "Slave" drive in as the single
>>>drive, alone on the system, jumpered as "Single or
>>>"master", boot to it as HDD-0 and run. This is my way
>>>of having foolproof backup----an exact duplicate,
>>>runnable drive, to swap in, in place of the Master,
>>>at any time.
>>>
>>>What do I have to do? I can change boot.ini or anything
>>>else on the "Slave" before switching over, but exactly
>>>what? Sometimes it boots, sometimes it hangs in the
>>>blue Windows logo screen (with the "loading personal
>>>settings" message missing).
>>>--
>>> William B. Lurie
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> William B. Lurie
Anonymous
October 18, 2004 7:48:59 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Alphonse wrote:

> By mirroring program I meant exactly what you are using. I'm sorry that I
> understood your initial statement for what so many people try to do, which
> is to manually copy one drive to the other. By the way, I would copy the
> drive, not the partition, unless you have two identical drives--meaning size
> and brand--or the second larger than the first.

Please note that all of the programs I referenced will only
copy one partition...which is fine with me.
>
> I suppose you have only one partition on each drive. When your HDD-1 does
> boot being stand-alone, what letter does Win give it? Do you still have a C
> drive or has it kept the letter attributed to it from when it was a Slave?

Maybe I wasn't extra clear on that. When it boots to HDD-1, it is
given the next available letter....after the Master, which stays C,
and remembering that A is the floppy, and I have a CD-writable drive
and a CD/DVD reader drive.

The 'copy' boots in Slave position, HDD-1.....my goal is to find a way
to get it to boot all the way when it is jumpered as Master, is in
Master position on the ribbon cable, and there is no other hard
drive around (simulating the condition where the real Master has died).
>
> If you get it to boot, check your Event Viewer for the failed times.

I wouldn't know where to look...it fails when it is alone on
the system and hasn't yet made it past that light blue Windows
logo screen where it 'hangs'.
>
>
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:%23c6nlURtEHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>
>>Thank you, Alphonse. I'm making the copy any one of three
>>ways....Symantec (Power Quest) Drive Image 7 in "Copy a Drive"
>>mode.......or that Drive Image 7 in "Make a Drive Image and
>>then Restore" mode.......or Symantec (Power Quest) Partition
>>Magic in "Copy a Partition" mode.
>>
>>I don't know what you mean by a "mirroring program". And if and
>>when emergency strikes I am quite satisfied to have as exact a
>>copy as I can make, because the I'll be able to put everything
>>back in operation as of the date I made the copy. The stuff
>>that will be "out of date" I update daily by copying a few
>>data files to a CD.
>>
>>Alphonse wrote:
>>
>>>How are you making the copy of one to the other?
>>>My suggestion is that you get a mirroring program and make an image of
>>>your Master onto the Slave, just to make sure that in fact they are
>>>identical, not "as exact copy as I can make"... if and when emergency
>>>strikes you do not want only the latter to be true.
>>>
>>>"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>news:%23p0n8bJsEHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>>>With a Master Drive and as exact a copy of it as I
>>>>can make operating in Slave position, jumpered as
>>>>Slave, I change only HDD-0 to HDD-1 in BIOS to boot
>>>>to the Slave. The XP on the Slave operates just fine.
>>>>
>>>>But I want to plug that "Slave" drive in as the single
>>>>drive, alone on the system, jumpered as "Single or
>>>>"master", boot to it as HDD-0 and run. This is my way
>>>>of having foolproof backup----an exact duplicate,
>>>>runnable drive, to swap in, in place of the Master,
>>>>at any time.
>>>>
>>>>What do I have to do? I can change boot.ini or anything
>>>>else on the "Slave" before switching over, but exactly
>>>>what? Sometimes it boots, sometimes it hangs in the
>>>>blue Windows logo screen (with the "loading personal
>>>>settings" message missing).
>>>>--

William B. Lurie
Anonymous
October 18, 2004 11:08:59 PM

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Stupid question:
Have you tried making a copy of HDD-0 onto HDD-1, turn PC off at end, remove
HDD-0, change jumper of HDD-1 to Master, and turn PC on? Basically, to boot
using HDD-1 without having used it to boot while HDD-0 is still connected.

You must understand that if you use HDD-1 to boot and Windows gives it
letter D:, let's say, that the registry in that drive will get modified
accordingly. Since your HDD-0 is C:, when you boot using HDD-1 you have to
force it to being C: by removing HDD-0. If you run into Windows being
stubborn, and maybe you can do this beforehand, you can right-click on My
Computer, Manage, Disk Management, then on the upper half of the right pane,
right-click on HDD-1 and Change Drive Letter, choose not to attribute a
drive letter... then turn PC off, remove HDD-0, ..., ...

If you were to modify your boot.ini file so as to have a dual boot system,
you wouldn't have to mess in the BIOS, and Windows would be the one taking
charge of the changes in drives and therefore drive letters. However, even
in this manner, I believe that no drive letter can be manually attributed to
the second booting drive.


"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:o B4ji1RtEHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Alphonse wrote:
>
>> By mirroring program I meant exactly what you are using. I'm sorry that I
>> understood your initial statement for what so many people try to do,
>> which is to manually copy one drive to the other. By the way, I would
>> copy the drive, not the partition, unless you have two identical
>> drives--meaning size and brand--or the second larger than the first.
>
> Please note that all of the programs I referenced will only
> copy one partition...which is fine with me.
>>
>> I suppose you have only one partition on each drive. When your HDD-1 does
>> boot being stand-alone, what letter does Win give it? Do you still have a
>> C drive or has it kept the letter attributed to it from when it was a
>> Slave?
>
> Maybe I wasn't extra clear on that. When it boots to HDD-1, it is
> given the next available letter....after the Master, which stays C,
> and remembering that A is the floppy, and I have a CD-writable drive
> and a CD/DVD reader drive.
>
> The 'copy' boots in Slave position, HDD-1.....my goal is to find a way
> to get it to boot all the way when it is jumpered as Master, is in
> Master position on the ribbon cable, and there is no other hard
> drive around (simulating the condition where the real Master has died).
>>
>> If you get it to boot, check your Event Viewer for the failed times.
>
> I wouldn't know where to look...it fails when it is alone on
> the system and hasn't yet made it past that light blue Windows
> logo screen where it 'hangs'.
>>
>>
>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>> news:%23c6nlURtEHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Thank you, Alphonse. I'm making the copy any one of three
>>>ways....Symantec (Power Quest) Drive Image 7 in "Copy a Drive"
>>>mode.......or that Drive Image 7 in "Make a Drive Image and
>>>then Restore" mode.......or Symantec (Power Quest) Partition
>>>Magic in "Copy a Partition" mode.
>>>
>>>I don't know what you mean by a "mirroring program". And if and
>>>when emergency strikes I am quite satisfied to have as exact a
>>>copy as I can make, because the I'll be able to put everything
>>>back in operation as of the date I made the copy. The stuff
>>>that will be "out of date" I update daily by copying a few
>>>data files to a CD.
>>>
>>>Alphonse wrote:
>>>
>>>>How are you making the copy of one to the other?
>>>>My suggestion is that you get a mirroring program and make an image of
>>>>your Master onto the Slave, just to make sure that in fact they are
>>>>identical, not "as exact copy as I can make"... if and when emergency
>>>>strikes you do not want only the latter to be true.
>>>>
>>>>"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:%23p0n8bJsEHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>With a Master Drive and as exact a copy of it as I
>>>>>can make operating in Slave position, jumpered as
>>>>>Slave, I change only HDD-0 to HDD-1 in BIOS to boot
>>>>>to the Slave. The XP on the Slave operates just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>But I want to plug that "Slave" drive in as the single
>>>>>drive, alone on the system, jumpered as "Single or
>>>>>"master", boot to it as HDD-0 and run. This is my way
>>>>>of having foolproof backup----an exact duplicate,
>>>>>runnable drive, to swap in, in place of the Master,
>>>>>at any time.
>>>>>
>>>>>What do I have to do? I can change boot.ini or anything
>>>>>else on the "Slave" before switching over, but exactly
>>>>>what? Sometimes it boots, sometimes it hangs in the
>>>>>blue Windows logo screen (with the "loading personal
>>>>>settings" message missing).
>>>>>--
>
> William B. Lurie
Anonymous
October 18, 2004 11:09:00 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Not stupid at all. Important to make sure we understand each other.
Yes, I make copy of HDD-0 onto HDD-1. Yes, turn off PC. Yes,
remove the HD from the HDD-0 position on the ribbon cable and
set it aside. Yes, change jumper on the drive that was in HDD-1
position from "Slave" to "Master or Single", but I have been
under the impression that I then am obliged to put the hard
drive onto the ribbon cable in "Master" position. You are, I
believe suggesting that I leave it in "Slave" position although
it has been re-jimpered as "Master", and that I have not tried.
Nothing to lose, of course. nd then there is also the "Cable
Select" jumpering which I haven't tried.
W B L

Alphonse wrote:
> Stupid question:
> Have you tried making a copy of HDD-0 onto HDD-1, turn PC off at end, remove
> HDD-0, change jumper of HDD-1 to Master, and turn PC on? Basically, to boot
> using HDD-1 without having used it to boot while HDD-0 is still connected.
>
> You must understand that if you use HDD-1 to boot and Windows gives it
> letter D:, let's say, that the registry in that drive will get modified
> accordingly. Since your HDD-0 is C:, when you boot using HDD-1 you have to
> force it to being C: by removing HDD-0. If you run into Windows being
> stubborn, and maybe you can do this beforehand, you can right-click on My
> Computer, Manage, Disk Management, then on the upper half of the right pane,
> right-click on HDD-1 and Change Drive Letter, choose not to attribute a
> drive letter... then turn PC off, remove HDD-0, ..., ...
>
> If you were to modify your boot.ini file so as to have a dual boot system,
> you wouldn't have to mess in the BIOS, and Windows would be the one taking
> charge of the changes in drives and therefore drive letters. However, even
> in this manner, I believe that no drive letter can be manually attributed to
> the second booting drive.
>
>
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:o B4ji1RtEHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>
>>Alphonse wrote:
>>
>>
>>>By mirroring program I meant exactly what you are using. I'm sorry that I
>>>understood your initial statement for what so many people try to do,
>>>which is to manually copy one drive to the other. By the way, I would
>>>copy the drive, not the partition, unless you have two identical
>>>drives--meaning size and brand--or the second larger than the first.
>>
>>Please note that all of the programs I referenced will only
>>copy one partition...which is fine with me.
>>
>>>I suppose you have only one partition on each drive. When your HDD-1 does
>>>boot being stand-alone, what letter does Win give it? Do you still have a
>>>C drive or has it kept the letter attributed to it from when it was a
>>>Slave?
>>
>>Maybe I wasn't extra clear on that. When it boots to HDD-1, it is
>>given the next available letter....after the Master, which stays C,
>>and remembering that A is the floppy, and I have a CD-writable drive
>>and a CD/DVD reader drive.
>>
>>The 'copy' boots in Slave position, HDD-1.....my goal is to find a way
>>to get it to boot all the way when it is jumpered as Master, is in
>>Master position on the ribbon cable, and there is no other hard
>>drive around (simulating the condition where the real Master has died).
>>
>>>If you get it to boot, check your Event Viewer for the failed times.
>>
>>I wouldn't know where to look...it fails when it is alone on
>>the system and hasn't yet made it past that light blue Windows
>>logo screen where it 'hangs'.
>>
>>>
>>>"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>news:%23c6nlURtEHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thank you, Alphonse. I'm making the copy any one of three
>>>>ways....Symantec (Power Quest) Drive Image 7 in "Copy a Drive"
>>>>mode.......or that Drive Image 7 in "Make a Drive Image and
>>>>then Restore" mode.......or Symantec (Power Quest) Partition
>>>>Magic in "Copy a Partition" mode.
>>>>
>>>>I don't know what you mean by a "mirroring program". And if and
>>>>when emergency strikes I am quite satisfied to have as exact a
>>>>copy as I can make, because the I'll be able to put everything
>>>>back in operation as of the date I made the copy. The stuff
>>>>that will be "out of date" I update daily by copying a few
>>>>data files to a CD.
>>>>
>>>>Alphonse wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>How are you making the copy of one to the other?
>>>>>My suggestion is that you get a mirroring program and make an image of
>>>>>your Master onto the Slave, just to make sure that in fact they are
>>>>>identical, not "as exact copy as I can make"... if and when emergency
>>>>>strikes you do not want only the latter to be true.
>>>>>
>>>>>"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:%23p0n8bJsEHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>With a Master Drive and as exact a copy of it as I
>>>>>>can make operating in Slave position, jumpered as
>>>>>>Slave, I change only HDD-0 to HDD-1 in BIOS to boot
>>>>>>to the Slave. The XP on the Slave operates just fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But I want to plug that "Slave" drive in as the single
>>>>>>drive, alone on the system, jumpered as "Single or
>>>>>>"master", boot to it as HDD-0 and run. This is my way
>>>>>>of having foolproof backup----an exact duplicate,
>>>>>>runnable drive, to swap in, in place of the Master,
>>>>>>at any time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What do I have to do? I can change boot.ini or anything
>>>>>>else on the "Slave" before switching over, but exactly
>>>>>>what? Sometimes it boots, sometimes it hangs in the
>>>>>>blue Windows logo screen (with the "loading personal
>>>>>>settings" message missing).
>>>>>>--
>>
>> William B. Lurie
>
>
>


--
William B. Lurie
Anonymous
October 18, 2004 11:09:01 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Just tried next step....the copied drive jumpered as master or as
"Cable select"....in either of the available places on the
ribbon cable....all results same, namely, boots to where it
*should* show "Loading your Personal Settings" but doesn't.
W B L

William B. Lurie wrote:
> Not stupid at all. Important to make sure we understand each other.
> Yes, I make copy of HDD-0 onto HDD-1. Yes, turn off PC. Yes,
> remove the HD from the HDD-0 position on the ribbon cable and
> set it aside. Yes, change jumper on the drive that was in HDD-1
> position from "Slave" to "Master or Single", but I have been
> under the impression that I then am obliged to put the hard
> drive onto the ribbon cable in "Master" position. You are, I
> believe suggesting that I leave it in "Slave" position although
> it has been re-jimpered as "Master", and that I have not tried.
> Nothing to lose, of course. nd then there is also the "Cable
> Select" jumpering which I haven't tried.
> W B L
>
> Alphonse wrote:
>
>> Stupid question:
>> Have you tried making a copy of HDD-0 onto HDD-1, turn PC off at end,
>> remove HDD-0, change jumper of HDD-1 to Master, and turn PC on?
>> Basically, to boot using HDD-1 without having used it to boot while
>> HDD-0 is still connected.
>>
>> You must understand that if you use HDD-1 to boot and Windows gives it
>> letter D:, let's say, that the registry in that drive will get
>> modified accordingly. Since your HDD-0 is C:, when you boot using
>> HDD-1 you have to force it to being C: by removing HDD-0. If you run
>> into Windows being stubborn, and maybe you can do this beforehand, you
>> can right-click on My Computer, Manage, Disk Management, then on the
>> upper half of the right pane, right-click on HDD-1 and Change Drive
>> Letter, choose not to attribute a drive letter... then turn PC off,
>> remove HDD-0, ..., ...
>>
>> If you were to modify your boot.ini file so as to have a dual boot
>> system, you wouldn't have to mess in the BIOS, and Windows would be
>> the one taking charge of the changes in drives and therefore drive
>> letters. However, even in this manner, I believe that no drive letter
>> can be manually attributed to the second booting drive.
>>
>>
>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>> news:o B4ji1RtEHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> Alphonse wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> By mirroring program I meant exactly what you are using. I'm sorry
>>>> that I understood your initial statement for what so many people try
>>>> to do, which is to manually copy one drive to the other. By the way,
>>>> I would copy the drive, not the partition, unless you have two
>>>> identical drives--meaning size and brand--or the second larger than
>>>> the first.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please note that all of the programs I referenced will only
>>> copy one partition...which is fine with me.
>>>
>>>> I suppose you have only one partition on each drive. When your HDD-1
>>>> does boot being stand-alone, what letter does Win give it? Do you
>>>> still have a C drive or has it kept the letter attributed to it from
>>>> when it was a Slave?
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe I wasn't extra clear on that. When it boots to HDD-1, it is
>>> given the next available letter....after the Master, which stays C,
>>> and remembering that A is the floppy, and I have a CD-writable drive
>>> and a CD/DVD reader drive.
>>>
>>> The 'copy' boots in Slave position, HDD-1.....my goal is to find a way
>>> to get it to boot all the way when it is jumpered as Master, is in
>>> Master position on the ribbon cable, and there is no other hard
>>> drive around (simulating the condition where the real Master has died).
>>>
>>>> If you get it to boot, check your Event Viewer for the failed times.
>>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't know where to look...it fails when it is alone on
>>> the system and hasn't yet made it past that light blue Windows
>>> logo screen where it 'hangs'.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23c6nlURtEHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you, Alphonse. I'm making the copy any one of three
>>>>> ways....Symantec (Power Quest) Drive Image 7 in "Copy a Drive"
>>>>> mode.......or that Drive Image 7 in "Make a Drive Image and
>>>>> then Restore" mode.......or Symantec (Power Quest) Partition
>>>>> Magic in "Copy a Partition" mode.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what you mean by a "mirroring program". And if and
>>>>> when emergency strikes I am quite satisfied to have as exact a
>>>>> copy as I can make, because the I'll be able to put everything
>>>>> back in operation as of the date I made the copy. The stuff
>>>>> that will be "out of date" I update daily by copying a few
>>>>> data files to a CD.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alphonse wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> How are you making the copy of one to the other?
>>>>>> My suggestion is that you get a mirroring program and make an
>>>>>> image of your Master onto the Slave, just to make sure that in
>>>>>> fact they are identical, not "as exact copy as I can make"... if
>>>>>> and when emergency strikes you do not want only the latter to be
>>>>>> true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23p0n8bJsEHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With a Master Drive and as exact a copy of it as I
>>>>>>> can make operating in Slave position, jumpered as
>>>>>>> Slave, I change only HDD-0 to HDD-1 in BIOS to boot
>>>>>>> to the Slave. The XP on the Slave operates just fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I want to plug that "Slave" drive in as the single
>>>>>>> drive, alone on the system, jumpered as "Single or
>>>>>>> "master", boot to it as HDD-0 and run. This is my way
>>>>>>> of having foolproof backup----an exact duplicate,
>>>>>>> runnable drive, to swap in, in place of the Master,
>>>>>>> at any time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do I have to do? I can change boot.ini or anything
>>>>>>> else on the "Slave" before switching over, but exactly
>>>>>>> what? Sometimes it boots, sometimes it hangs in the
>>>>>>> blue Windows logo screen (with the "loading personal
>>>>>>> settings" message missing).
>>>>>>> --
>>>
>>
Anonymous
October 19, 2004 1:59:27 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

If you have a cable that actually says Master on the end and Slave on the
middle, then you should respect them... otherwise it doesn't matter, due to
the jumper. When you use Cable Select, then Master has to be on the end and
Slave, of course, in the middle.

However, there is still the issue of which drive letter has Windows given
that drive, and if it is changeable or "permanent"; Windows recognizes all
drives which have ever been connected in that PC, such that one can remove a
drive which one had given drive letter X, bring it back some time later, and
it gets set again as drive X unless there is some other occupying that
letter. When you boot with HDD-1 as HDD-0, you should have a drive C in
Windows Explorer. Drives which are set as Active/System drives usually get
stuck with the drive letter, thus I had asked you to right-click on My
Computer, Manage, Disk Management, then on the upper half of the right pane,
right-click on HDD-1 and Change Drive Letter, choose not to attribute a
drive letter.

Last thing that I have up my sleeve is to ask you to make sure that the Copy
you make is a Full system copy, not an update of a prior.

This being said, after this I will be at a loss of words, I think, so my
apologies beforehand and I hope that someone else reading this has better
suggestions or a solution.

"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:uvdJpmUtEHA.2536@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Not stupid at all. Important to make sure we understand each other.
> Yes, I make copy of HDD-0 onto HDD-1. Yes, turn off PC. Yes,
> remove the HD from the HDD-0 position on the ribbon cable and
> set it aside. Yes, change jumper on the drive that was in HDD-1
> position from "Slave" to "Master or Single", but I have been
> under the impression that I then am obliged to put the hard
> drive onto the ribbon cable in "Master" position. You are, I
> believe suggesting that I leave it in "Slave" position although
> it has been re-jimpered as "Master", and that I have not tried.
> Nothing to lose, of course. nd then there is also the "Cable
> Select" jumpering which I haven't tried.
> W B L
>
> Alphonse wrote:
>> Stupid question:
>> Have you tried making a copy of HDD-0 onto HDD-1, turn PC off at end,
>> remove HDD-0, change jumper of HDD-1 to Master, and turn PC on?
>> Basically, to boot using HDD-1 without having used it to boot while HDD-0
>> is still connected.
>>
>> You must understand that if you use HDD-1 to boot and Windows gives it
>> letter D:, let's say, that the registry in that drive will get modified
>> accordingly. Since your HDD-0 is C:, when you boot using HDD-1 you have
>> to force it to being C: by removing HDD-0. If you run into Windows being
>> stubborn, and maybe you can do this beforehand, you can right-click on My
>> Computer, Manage, Disk Management, then on the upper half of the right
>> pane, right-click on HDD-1 and Change Drive Letter, choose not to
>> attribute a drive letter... then turn PC off, remove HDD-0, ..., ...
>>
>> If you were to modify your boot.ini file so as to have a dual boot
>> system, you wouldn't have to mess in the BIOS, and Windows would be the
>> one taking charge of the changes in drives and therefore drive letters.
>> However, even in this manner, I believe that no drive letter can be
>> manually attributed to the second booting drive.
>>
>>
>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>> news:o B4ji1RtEHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Alphonse wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>By mirroring program I meant exactly what you are using. I'm sorry that
>>>>I understood your initial statement for what so many people try to do,
>>>>which is to manually copy one drive to the other. By the way, I would
>>>>copy the drive, not the partition, unless you have two identical
>>>>drives--meaning size and brand--or the second larger than the first.
>>>
>>>Please note that all of the programs I referenced will only
>>>copy one partition...which is fine with me.
>>>
>>>>I suppose you have only one partition on each drive. When your HDD-1
>>>>does boot being stand-alone, what letter does Win give it? Do you still
>>>>have a C drive or has it kept the letter attributed to it from when it
>>>>was a Slave?
>>>
>>>Maybe I wasn't extra clear on that. When it boots to HDD-1, it is
>>>given the next available letter....after the Master, which stays C,
>>>and remembering that A is the floppy, and I have a CD-writable drive
>>>and a CD/DVD reader drive.
>>>
>>>The 'copy' boots in Slave position, HDD-1.....my goal is to find a way
>>>to get it to boot all the way when it is jumpered as Master, is in
>>>Master position on the ribbon cable, and there is no other hard
>>>drive around (simulating the condition where the real Master has died).
>>>
>>>>If you get it to boot, check your Event Viewer for the failed times.
>>>
>>>I wouldn't know where to look...it fails when it is alone on
>>>the system and hasn't yet made it past that light blue Windows
>>>logo screen where it 'hangs'.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:%23c6nlURtEHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Thank you, Alphonse. I'm making the copy any one of three
>>>>>ways....Symantec (Power Quest) Drive Image 7 in "Copy a Drive"
>>>>>mode.......or that Drive Image 7 in "Make a Drive Image and
>>>>>then Restore" mode.......or Symantec (Power Quest) Partition
>>>>>Magic in "Copy a Partition" mode.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know what you mean by a "mirroring program". And if and
>>>>>when emergency strikes I am quite satisfied to have as exact a
>>>>>copy as I can make, because the I'll be able to put everything
>>>>>back in operation as of the date I made the copy. The stuff
>>>>>that will be "out of date" I update daily by copying a few
>>>>>data files to a CD.
>>>>>
>>>>>Alphonse wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>How are you making the copy of one to the other?
>>>>>>My suggestion is that you get a mirroring program and make an image of
>>>>>>your Master onto the Slave, just to make sure that in fact they are
>>>>>>identical, not "as exact copy as I can make"... if and when emergency
>>>>>>strikes you do not want only the latter to be true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:%23p0n8bJsEHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>With a Master Drive and as exact a copy of it as I
>>>>>>>can make operating in Slave position, jumpered as
>>>>>>>Slave, I change only HDD-0 to HDD-1 in BIOS to boot
>>>>>>>to the Slave. The XP on the Slave operates just fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But I want to plug that "Slave" drive in as the single
>>>>>>>drive, alone on the system, jumpered as "Single or
>>>>>>>"master", boot to it as HDD-0 and run. This is my way
>>>>>>>of having foolproof backup----an exact duplicate,
>>>>>>>runnable drive, to swap in, in place of the Master,
>>>>>>>at any time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What do I have to do? I can change boot.ini or anything
>>>>>>>else on the "Slave" before switching over, but exactly
>>>>>>>what? Sometimes it boots, sometimes it hangs in the
>>>>>>>blue Windows logo screen (with the "loading personal
>>>>>>>settings" message missing).
>>>>>>>--
>>>
>>> William B. Lurie
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> William B. Lurie
Anonymous
October 19, 2004 1:59:28 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

See interspersed comments, Al:

Alphonse wrote:

> If you have a cable that actually says Master on the end and Slave on the
> middle, then you should respect them... otherwise it doesn't matter, due to
> the jumper. When you use Cable Select, then Master has to be on the end and
> Slave, of course, in the middle.

*** (Note that I tried all possibilities, just in case........)

> However, there is still the issue of which drive letter has Windows given
> that drive, and if it is changeable or "permanent"; Windows recognizes all
> drives which have ever been connected in that PC, such that one can remove a
> drive which one had given drive letter X, bring it back some time later, and
> it gets set again as drive X unless there is some other occupying that
> letter. When you boot with HDD-1 as HDD-0, you should have a drive C in
> Windows Explorer. Drives which are set as Active/System drives usually get
> stuck with the drive letter, thus I had asked you to right-click on My
> Computer, Manage, Disk Management, then on the upper half of the right pane,
> right-click on HDD-1 and Change Drive Letter, choose not to attribute a
> drive letter.

***Well, Al, I will have to go in and experiment with Drive Letters,
which I have simply accepted as the system assigned them. When the copy
boots up in HDD-1, it definitely becomes "G" or "H" depending on how
many other partitions Windows finds. Remember that that drive refuses
to boot up to Desktop, in HDD-0 position, so it has never shown up as
the "C: drive. Are you telling me that you want me to force it to be
known as "C" somehow? I can't when it's the Slave, because the Master
is "C"....... Maybe you have something there, but what sequence of
operations would you suggest?


> Last thing that I have up my sleeve is to ask you to make sure that the Copy
> you make is a Full system copy, not an update of a prior.
>
The Copy I've made is a brand new copy on a blank formatted drive,
from my full Master, system, applications, files, just using Drive
Image's "Copy Drive" methodology.

Scratch your head some more, I like your thinking. Jump back in
any time. Notice that if anybody who is a part of Symantec ever
reads these conversations, they never step in.................

> This being said, after this I will be at a loss of words, I think, so my
> apologies beforehand and I hope that someone else reading this has better
> suggestions or a solution.
***************************************************************************
***************************************************************************
>
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:uvdJpmUtEHA.2536@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
>>Not stupid at all. Important to make sure we understand each other.
>>Yes, I make copy of HDD-0 onto HDD-1. Yes, turn off PC. Yes,
>>remove the HD from the HDD-0 position on the ribbon cable and
>>set it aside. Yes, change jumper on the drive that was in HDD-1
>>position from "Slave" to "Master or Single", but I have been
>>under the impression that I then am obliged to put the hard
>>drive onto the ribbon cable in "Master" position. You are, I
>>believe suggesting that I leave it in "Slave" position although
>>it has been re-jimpered as "Master", and that I have not tried.
>>Nothing to lose, of course. nd then there is also the "Cable
>>Select" jumpering which I haven't tried.
>>W B L
>>
>>Alphonse wrote:
>>
>>>Stupid question:
>>>Have you tried making a copy of HDD-0 onto HDD-1, turn PC off at end,
>>>remove HDD-0, change jumper of HDD-1 to Master, and turn PC on?
>>>Basically, to boot using HDD-1 without having used it to boot while HDD-0
>>>is still connected.
>>>
>>>You must understand that if you use HDD-1 to boot and Windows gives it
>>>letter D:, let's say, that the registry in that drive will get modified
>>>accordingly. Since your HDD-0 is C:, when you boot using HDD-1 you have
>>>to force it to being C: by removing HDD-0. If you run into Windows being
>>>stubborn, and maybe you can do this beforehand, you can right-click on My
>>>Computer, Manage, Disk Management, then on the upper half of the right
>>>pane, right-click on HDD-1 and Change Drive Letter, choose not to
>>>attribute a drive letter... then turn PC off, remove HDD-0, ..., ...
>>>
>>>If you were to modify your boot.ini file so as to have a dual boot
>>>system, you wouldn't have to mess in the BIOS, and Windows would be the
>>>one taking charge of the changes in drives and therefore drive letters.
>>>However, even in this manner, I believe that no drive letter can be
>>>manually attributed to the second booting drive.
>>>
>>>
>>>"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>news:o B4ji1RtEHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Alphonse wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>By mirroring program I meant exactly what you are using. I'm sorry that
>>>>>I understood your initial statement for what so many people try to do,
>>>>>which is to manually copy one drive to the other. By the way, I would
>>>>>copy the drive, not the partition, unless you have two identical
>>>>>drives--meaning size and brand--or the second larger than the first.
>>>>
>>>>Please note that all of the programs I referenced will only
>>>>copy one partition...which is fine with me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I suppose you have only one partition on each drive. When your HDD-1
>>>>>does boot being stand-alone, what letter does Win give it? Do you still
>>>>>have a C drive or has it kept the letter attributed to it from when it
>>>>>was a Slave?
>>>>
>>>>Maybe I wasn't extra clear on that. When it boots to HDD-1, it is
>>>>given the next available letter....after the Master, which stays C,
>>>>and remembering that A is the floppy, and I have a CD-writable drive
>>>>and a CD/DVD reader drive.
>>>>
>>>>The 'copy' boots in Slave position, HDD-1.....my goal is to find a way
>>>>to get it to boot all the way when it is jumpered as Master, is in
>>>>Master position on the ribbon cable, and there is no other hard
>>>>drive around (simulating the condition where the real Master has died).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If you get it to boot, check your Event Viewer for the failed times.
>>>>
>>>>I wouldn't know where to look...it fails when it is alone on
>>>>the system and hasn't yet made it past that light blue Windows
>>>>logo screen where it 'hangs'.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:%23c6nlURtEHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank you, Alphonse. I'm making the copy any one of three
>>>>>>ways....Symantec (Power Quest) Drive Image 7 in "Copy a Drive"
>>>>>>mode.......or that Drive Image 7 in "Make a Drive Image and
>>>>>>then Restore" mode.......or Symantec (Power Quest) Partition
>>>>>>Magic in "Copy a Partition" mode.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't know what you mean by a "mirroring program". And if and
>>>>>>when emergency strikes I am quite satisfied to have as exact a
>>>>>>copy as I can make, because the I'll be able to put everything
>>>>>>back in operation as of the date I made the copy. The stuff
>>>>>>that will be "out of date" I update daily by copying a few
>>>>>>data files to a CD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Alphonse wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How are you making the copy of one to the other?
>>>>>>>My suggestion is that you get a mirroring program and make an image of
>>>>>>>your Master onto the Slave, just to make sure that in fact they are
>>>>>>>identical, not "as exact copy as I can make"... if and when emergency
>>>>>>>strikes you do not want only the latter to be true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:%23p0n8bJsEHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>With a Master Drive and as exact a copy of it as I
>>>>>>>>can make operating in Slave position, jumpered as
>>>>>>>>Slave, I change only HDD-0 to HDD-1 in BIOS to boot
>>>>>>>>to the Slave. The XP on the Slave operates just fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But I want to plug that "Slave" drive in as the single
>>>>>>>>drive, alone on the system, jumpered as "Single or
>>>>>>>>"master", boot to it as HDD-0 and run. This is my way
>>>>>>>>of having foolproof backup----an exact duplicate,
>>>>>>>>runnable drive, to swap in, in place of the Master,
>>>>>>>>at any time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What do I have to do? I can change boot.ini or anything
>>>>>>>>else on the "Slave" before switching over, but exactly
>>>>>>>>what? Sometimes it boots, sometimes it hangs in the
>>>>>>>>blue Windows logo screen (with the "loading personal
>>>>>>>>settings" message missing).
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>
>>>> William B. Lurie
>>>
Anonymous
October 23, 2004 12:37:47 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Hi Bill,
Here is something that I found that might help you... I can't see why it'd
be necessary, but even as a work-around it might be a solution.

1) Boot the new system from the Win CD or XP boot floppies. (If the hard
drive is accessible, you can run Winnt32.exe from the \I386 directory on the
hard drive, or Setup.exe on the CD). Have your CDKEY ready.

2) Setup will find the existing Win installation (usually C:\Windows, else
C:\Winnt) and ask if you wish to install over it or repair it. At this
second prompt, select Repair.

Note: If the Setup program does not detect a previous installation but just
continues to the partitioning screen, there is a problem. An in-place
upgrade may not be possible.

3) Setup will run the upgrade code that will re-enumerate the hardware and
set itself to boot from the new controller. The upgrade will retain all
settings but will update drivers for the current motherboard and hardware.
(You can reinstall windows over windows with no problems. It basically just
skims over your existing installation and fixes bad files and fills in the
blanks if something is missing. Everything will be the same after your
reinstall.)

4) All programs, settings, and configurations will still exist after this
upgrade, however, all drivers might be reset to Windows basic, and Microsoft
updates will need to be reapplied. Run Microsoft Windows Upgrade (on
Windows Start menu) to reapply updates as needed. Reports state that IE
will be back to IE5.0 and will need to be updated. Any Service Packs will
need to be reinstalled. All security updates that have been installed need
to be reinstalled. It is best to install the security updates based on the
time order.
=================================

Something that you could try as well, being that you are not in dire need of
this second drive at this moment, is to install HD2 by itself, boot from a
Win diskette and at the DOS prompt type
fdisk /mbr
Reboot after you remove the diskette. I know that this used to work with Win
NT, so it just might with XP. Anyway, at worse you get to re-copy your HD1
to HD2 again, with my apollogies.

Hope one of these works... let us know?
Cheers

"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:%23O5hnoVtEHA.272@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> See interspersed comments, Al:
>
> Alphonse wrote:
>
>> If you have a cable that actually says Master on the end and Slave on the
>> middle, then you should respect them... otherwise it doesn't matter, due
>> to the jumper. When you use Cable Select, then Master has to be on the
>> end and Slave, of course, in the middle.
>
> *** (Note that I tried all possibilities, just in case........)
>
>> However, there is still the issue of which drive letter has Windows given
>> that drive, and if it is changeable or "permanent"; Windows recognizes
>> all drives which have ever been connected in that PC, such that one can
>> remove a drive which one had given drive letter X, bring it back some
>> time later, and it gets set again as drive X unless there is some other
>> occupying that letter. When you boot with HDD-1 as HDD-0, you should
>> have a drive C in Windows Explorer. Drives which are set as Active/System
>> drives usually get stuck with the drive letter, thus I had asked you to
>> right-click on My Computer, Manage, Disk Management, then on the upper
>> half of the right pane, right-click on HDD-1 and Change Drive Letter,
>> choose not to attribute a drive letter.
>
> ***Well, Al, I will have to go in and experiment with Drive Letters,
> which I have simply accepted as the system assigned them. When the copy
> boots up in HDD-1, it definitely becomes "G" or "H" depending on how
> many other partitions Windows finds. Remember that that drive refuses
> to boot up to Desktop, in HDD-0 position, so it has never shown up as
> the "C: drive. Are you telling me that you want me to force it to be
> known as "C" somehow? I can't when it's the Slave, because the Master
> is "C"....... Maybe you have something there, but what sequence of
> operations would you suggest?
>
>
>> Last thing that I have up my sleeve is to ask you to make sure that the
>> Copy you make is a Full system copy, not an update of a prior.
>>
> The Copy I've made is a brand new copy on a blank formatted drive,
> from my full Master, system, applications, files, just using Drive Image's
> "Copy Drive" methodology.
>
> Scratch your head some more, I like your thinking. Jump back in
> any time. Notice that if anybody who is a part of Symantec ever
> reads these conversations, they never step in.................
>
>> This being said, after this I will be at a loss of words, I think, so my
>> apologies beforehand and I hope that someone else reading this has better
>> suggestions or a solution.
> ***************************************************************************
> ***************************************************************************
>>
>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>> news:uvdJpmUtEHA.2536@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Not stupid at all. Important to make sure we understand each other.
>>>Yes, I make copy of HDD-0 onto HDD-1. Yes, turn off PC. Yes,
>>>remove the HD from the HDD-0 position on the ribbon cable and
>>>set it aside. Yes, change jumper on the drive that was in HDD-1
>>>position from "Slave" to "Master or Single", but I have been
>>>under the impression that I then am obliged to put the hard
>>>drive onto the ribbon cable in "Master" position. You are, I
>>>believe suggesting that I leave it in "Slave" position although
>>>it has been re-jimpered as "Master", and that I have not tried.
>>>Nothing to lose, of course. nd then there is also the "Cable
>>>Select" jumpering which I haven't tried.
>>>W B L
>>>
>>>Alphonse wrote:
>>>
>>>>Stupid question:
>>>>Have you tried making a copy of HDD-0 onto HDD-1, turn PC off at end,
>>>>remove HDD-0, change jumper of HDD-1 to Master, and turn PC on?
>>>>Basically, to boot using HDD-1 without having used it to boot while
>>>>HDD-0 is still connected.
>>>>
>>>>You must understand that if you use HDD-1 to boot and Windows gives it
>>>>letter D:, let's say, that the registry in that drive will get modified
>>>>accordingly. Since your HDD-0 is C:, when you boot using HDD-1 you have
>>>>to force it to being C: by removing HDD-0. If you run into Windows being
>>>>stubborn, and maybe you can do this beforehand, you can right-click on
>>>>My Computer, Manage, Disk Management, then on the upper half of the
>>>>right pane, right-click on HDD-1 and Change Drive Letter, choose not to
>>>>attribute a drive letter... then turn PC off, remove HDD-0, ..., ...
>>>>
>>>>If you were to modify your boot.ini file so as to have a dual boot
>>>>system, you wouldn't have to mess in the BIOS, and Windows would be the
>>>>one taking charge of the changes in drives and therefore drive letters.
>>>>However, even in this manner, I believe that no drive letter can be
>>>>manually attributed to the second booting drive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:o B4ji1RtEHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Alphonse wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>By mirroring program I meant exactly what you are using. I'm sorry
>>>>>>that I understood your initial statement for what so many people try
>>>>>>to do, which is to manually copy one drive to the other. By the way, I
>>>>>>would copy the drive, not the partition, unless you have two identical
>>>>>>drives--meaning size and brand--or the second larger than the first.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please note that all of the programs I referenced will only
>>>>>copy one partition...which is fine with me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I suppose you have only one partition on each drive. When your HDD-1
>>>>>>does boot being stand-alone, what letter does Win give it? Do you
>>>>>>still have a C drive or has it kept the letter attributed to it from
>>>>>>when it was a Slave?
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe I wasn't extra clear on that. When it boots to HDD-1, it is
>>>>>given the next available letter....after the Master, which stays C,
>>>>>and remembering that A is the floppy, and I have a CD-writable drive
>>>>>and a CD/DVD reader drive.
>>>>>
>>>>>The 'copy' boots in Slave position, HDD-1.....my goal is to find a way
>>>>>to get it to boot all the way when it is jumpered as Master, is in
>>>>>Master position on the ribbon cable, and there is no other hard
>>>>>drive around (simulating the condition where the real Master has died).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>If you get it to boot, check your Event Viewer for the failed times.
>>>>>
>>>>>I wouldn't know where to look...it fails when it is alone on
>>>>>the system and hasn't yet made it past that light blue Windows
>>>>>logo screen where it 'hangs'.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:%23c6nlURtEHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thank you, Alphonse. I'm making the copy any one of three
>>>>>>>ways....Symantec (Power Quest) Drive Image 7 in "Copy a Drive"
>>>>>>>mode.......or that Drive Image 7 in "Make a Drive Image and
>>>>>>>then Restore" mode.......or Symantec (Power Quest) Partition
>>>>>>>Magic in "Copy a Partition" mode.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't know what you mean by a "mirroring program". And if and
>>>>>>>when emergency strikes I am quite satisfied to have as exact a
>>>>>>>copy as I can make, because the I'll be able to put everything
>>>>>>>back in operation as of the date I made the copy. The stuff
>>>>>>>that will be "out of date" I update daily by copying a few
>>>>>>>data files to a CD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Alphonse wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How are you making the copy of one to the other?
>>>>>>>>My suggestion is that you get a mirroring program and make an image
>>>>>>>>of your Master onto the Slave, just to make sure that in fact they
>>>>>>>>are identical, not "as exact copy as I can make"... if and when
>>>>>>>>emergency strikes you do not want only the latter to be true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:%23p0n8bJsEHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>With a Master Drive and as exact a copy of it as I
>>>>>>>>>can make operating in Slave position, jumpered as
>>>>>>>>>Slave, I change only HDD-0 to HDD-1 in BIOS to boot
>>>>>>>>>to the Slave. The XP on the Slave operates just fine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>But I want to plug that "Slave" drive in as the single
>>>>>>>>>drive, alone on the system, jumpered as "Single or
>>>>>>>>>"master", boot to it as HDD-0 and run. This is my way
>>>>>>>>>of having foolproof backup----an exact duplicate,
>>>>>>>>>runnable drive, to swap in, in place of the Master,
>>>>>>>>>at any time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What do I have to do? I can change boot.ini or anything
>>>>>>>>>else on the "Slave" before switching over, but exactly
>>>>>>>>>what? Sometimes it boots, sometimes it hangs in the
>>>>>>>>>blue Windows logo screen (with the "loading personal
>>>>>>>>>settings" message missing).
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>
>>>>> William B. Lurie
>>>>
Anonymous
October 25, 2004 11:27:27 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Al, this string is getting long, but if I cut a
bunch, people will say I'm not letting other groupies
see the whole story. Now, after a weekend away, I
refer to your suggesting way down below, that I change
Drive Letters. That's an intriguing idea, but let me
set forth exactly what my system looks like right now:

If I boot to HDD-0, My Computer lists the following drives:

A Floppy
C Master 80GB (SP1)
D D-I 91604
E CD-RW Drive
F DVD drive
G My Spare, with SP-2 (Slave position)
H D-I 0713
I D-I 091504

If I boot to HDD-1, My Computer lists the following drives:

A Floppy
C Spare drive, with SP-2
D Master 80GB (SP1)
E CD-RW Drive
F DVD Drive
G D-I 91604
H D-I 0713
J D-I 091504

I am able to boot to HDD-0 and run my Master 80GB SP1.....and
I am able to boot to HDD-1 and run my Spare Drive, with SP2.

But if I put the SP2 drive into Master position on the cable,
jumper it as Master, and try to boot to it as HDD-0, I get to
the blue Windows logo screen but not the Loading your personal
settings....and it hangs there.

Now back to the interesting advice you gave, which was:

>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>>>However, there is still the issue of which drive letter has Windows
given that drive, and if it is changeable or "permanent"; Windows
recognizes all drives which have ever been connected in that PC, such
that one can remove a drive which one had given drive letter X, bring it
back some time later, and it gets set again as drive X unless there is
some other occupying that letter. When you boot with HDD-1 as HDD-0,
you should have a drive C in Windows Explorer. Drives which are set as
Active/System drives usually get stuck with the drive letter, thus I had
asked you to right-click on My Computer, Manage, Disk Management, then
on the upper half of the right pane, right-click on HDD-1 and Change
Drive Letter, choose not to attribute a drive letter.
>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Having seen my description and definition of the two modes
of operation of my system, can you tell me specifically what
you want me to do, when the system is running in which mode, to
get it so that it will boot all the way under the condition
that I described above as "hanging". I feel strongly about not
changing any drive letters on the Master SP1 system....as my firm
goal in all this is to create a runnable clone while guaranteeing
100% absolutely that the Master SP1 will not be harmed.

Bill Lurie 10/26/04

Alphonse wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> Here is something that I found that might help you... I can't see why it'd
> be necessary, but even as a work-around it might be a solution.
>
> 1) Boot the new system from the Win CD or XP boot floppies. (If the hard
> drive is accessible, you can run Winnt32.exe from the \I386 directory on the
> hard drive, or Setup.exe on the CD). Have your CDKEY ready.
>
> 2) Setup will find the existing Win installation (usually C:\Windows, else
> C:\Winnt) and ask if you wish to install over it or repair it. At this
> second prompt, select Repair.
>
> Note: If the Setup program does not detect a previous installation but just
> continues to the partitioning screen, there is a problem. An in-place
> upgrade may not be possible.
>
> 3) Setup will run the upgrade code that will re-enumerate the hardware and
> set itself to boot from the new controller. The upgrade will retain all
> settings but will update drivers for the current motherboard and hardware.
> (You can reinstall windows over windows with no problems. It basically just
> skims over your existing installation and fixes bad files and fills in the
> blanks if something is missing. Everything will be the same after your
> reinstall.)
>
> 4) All programs, settings, and configurations will still exist after this
> upgrade, however, all drivers might be reset to Windows basic, and Microsoft
> updates will need to be reapplied. Run Microsoft Windows Upgrade (on
> Windows Start menu) to reapply updates as needed. Reports state that IE
> will be back to IE5.0 and will need to be updated. Any Service Packs will
> need to be reinstalled. All security updates that have been installed need
> to be reinstalled. It is best to install the security updates based on the
> time order.
> =================================
>
> Something that you could try as well, being that you are not in dire need of
> this second drive at this moment, is to install HD2 by itself, boot from a
> Win diskette and at the DOS prompt type
> fdisk /mbr
> Reboot after you remove the diskette. I know that this used to work with Win
> NT, so it just might with XP. Anyway, at worse you get to re-copy your HD1
> to HD2 again, with my apollogies.
>
> Hope one of these works... let us know?
> Cheers
>
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:%23O5hnoVtEHA.272@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>
>>See interspersed comments, Al:
>>
>>Alphonse wrote:
>>
>>
>>>If you have a cable that actually says Master on the end and Slave on the
>>>middle, then you should respect them... otherwise it doesn't matter, due
>>>to the jumper. When you use Cable Select, then Master has to be on the
>>>end and Slave, of course, in the middle.
>>
>>*** (Note that I tried all possibilities, just in case........)
>>
>>
>>>However, there is still the issue of which drive letter has Windows given
>>>that drive, and if it is changeable or "permanent"; Windows recognizes
>>>all drives which have ever been connected in that PC, such that one can
>>>remove a drive which one had given drive letter X, bring it back some
>>>time later, and it gets set again as drive X unless there is some other
>>>occupying that letter. When you boot with HDD-1 as HDD-0, you should
>>>have a drive C in Windows Explorer. Drives which are set as Active/System
>>>drives usually get stuck with the drive letter, thus I had asked you to
>>>right-click on My Computer, Manage, Disk Management, then on the upper
>>>half of the right pane, right-click on HDD-1 and Change Drive Letter,
>>>choose not to attribute a drive letter.
>>
>> ***Well, Al, I will have to go in and experiment with Drive Letters,
>>which I have simply accepted as the system assigned them. When the copy
>>boots up in HDD-1, it definitely becomes "G" or "H" depending on how
>>many other partitions Windows finds. Remember that that drive refuses
>>to boot up to Desktop, in HDD-0 position, so it has never shown up as
>>the "C: drive. Are you telling me that you want me to force it to be
>>known as "C" somehow? I can't when it's the Slave, because the Master
>>is "C"....... Maybe you have something there, but what sequence of
>>operations would you suggest?
>>
>>
>>
>>>Last thing that I have up my sleeve is to ask you to make sure that the
>>>Copy you make is a Full system copy, not an update of a prior.
>>>
>>
>>The Copy I've made is a brand new copy on a blank formatted drive,
>>from my full Master, system, applications, files, just using Drive Image's
>>"Copy Drive" methodology.
>>
>>Scratch your head some more, I like your thinking. Jump back in
>>any time. Notice that if anybody who is a part of Symantec ever
>>reads these conversations, they never step in.................
>>
>>
>>>This being said, after this I will be at a loss of words, I think, so my
>>>apologies beforehand and I hope that someone else reading this has better
>>>suggestions or a solution.
>>
>>***************************************************************************
>>***************************************************************************
>>
>>>"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>news:uvdJpmUtEHA.2536@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Not stupid at all. Important to make sure we understand each other.
>>>>Yes, I make copy of HDD-0 onto HDD-1. Yes, turn off PC. Yes,
>>>>remove the HD from the HDD-0 position on the ribbon cable and
>>>>set it aside. Yes, change jumper on the drive that was in HDD-1
>>>>position from "Slave" to "Master or Single", but I have been
>>>>under the impression that I then am obliged to put the hard
>>>>drive onto the ribbon cable in "Master" position. You are, I
>>>>believe suggesting that I leave it in "Slave" position although
>>>>it has been re-jimpered as "Master", and that I have not tried.
>>>>Nothing to lose, of course. nd then there is also the "Cable
>>>>Select" jumpering which I haven't tried.
>>>>W B L
>>>>
>>>>Alphonse wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Stupid question:
>>>>>Have you tried making a copy of HDD-0 onto HDD-1, turn PC off at end,
>>>>>remove HDD-0, change jumper of HDD-1 to Master, and turn PC on?
>>>>>Basically, to boot using HDD-1 without having used it to boot while
>>>>>HDD-0 is still connected.
>>>>>
>>>>>You must understand that if you use HDD-1 to boot and Windows gives it
>>>>>letter D:, let's say, that the registry in that drive will get modified
>>>>>accordingly. Since your HDD-0 is C:, when you boot using HDD-1 you have
>>>>>to force it to being C: by removing HDD-0. If you run into Windows being
>>>>>stubborn, and maybe you can do this beforehand, you can right-click on
>>>>>My Computer, Manage, Disk Management, then on the upper half of the
>>>>>right pane, right-click on HDD-1 and Change Drive Letter, choose not to
>>>>>attribute a drive letter... then turn PC off, remove HDD-0, ..., ...
>>>>>
>>>>>If you were to modify your boot.ini file so as to have a dual boot
>>>>>system, you wouldn't have to mess in the BIOS, and Windows would be the
>>>>>one taking charge of the changes in drives and therefore drive letters.
>>>>>However, even in this manner, I believe that no drive letter can be
>>>>>manually attributed to the second booting drive.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:o B4ji1RtEHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Alphonse wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>By mirroring program I meant exactly what you are using. I'm sorry
>>>>>>>that I understood your initial statement for what so many people try
>>>>>>>to do, which is to manually copy one drive to the other. By the way, I
>>>>>>>would copy the drive, not the partition, unless you have two identical
>>>>>>>drives--meaning size and brand--or the second larger than the first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please note that all of the programs I referenced will only
>>>>>>copy one partition...which is fine with me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I suppose you have only one partition on each drive. When your HDD-1
>>>>>>>does boot being stand-alone, what letter does Win give it? Do you
>>>>>>>still have a C drive or has it kept the letter attributed to it from
>>>>>>>when it was a Slave?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe I wasn't extra clear on that. When it boots to HDD-1, it is
>>>>>>given the next available letter....after the Master, which stays C,
>>>>>>and remembering that A is the floppy, and I have a CD-writable drive
>>>>>>and a CD/DVD reader drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The 'copy' boots in Slave position, HDD-1.....my goal is to find a way
>>>>>>to get it to boot all the way when it is jumpered as Master, is in
>>>>>>Master position on the ribbon cable, and there is no other hard
>>>>>>drive around (simulating the condition where the real Master has died).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you get it to boot, check your Event Viewer for the failed times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I wouldn't know where to look...it fails when it is alone on
>>>>>>the system and hasn't yet made it past that light blue Windows
>>>>>>logo screen where it 'hangs'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:%23c6nlURtEHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thank you, Alphonse. I'm making the copy any one of three
>>>>>>>>ways....Symantec (Power Quest) Drive Image 7 in "Copy a Drive"
>>>>>>>>mode.......or that Drive Image 7 in "Make a Drive Image and
>>>>>>>>then Restore" mode.......or Symantec (Power Quest) Partition
>>>>>>>>Magic in "Copy a Partition" mode.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't know what you mean by a "mirroring program". And if and
>>>>>>>>when emergency strikes I am quite satisfied to have as exact a
>>>>>>>>copy as I can make, because the I'll be able to put everything
>>>>>>>>back in operation as of the date I made the copy. The stuff
>>>>>>>>that will be "out of date" I update daily by copying a few
>>>>>>>>data files to a CD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Alphonse wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How are you making the copy of one to the other?
>>>>>>>>>My suggestion is that you get a mirroring program and make an image
>>>>>>>>>of your Master onto the Slave, just to make sure that in fact they
>>>>>>>>>are identical, not "as exact copy as I can make"... if and when
>>>>>>>>>emergency strikes you do not want only the latter to be true.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:%23p0n8bJsEHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>With a Master Drive and as exact a copy of it as I
>>>>>>>>>>can make operating in Slave position, jumpered as
>>>>>>>>>>Slave, I change only HDD-0 to HDD-1 in BIOS to boot
>>>>>>>>>>to the Slave. The XP on the Slave operates just fine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>But I want to plug that "Slave" drive in as the single
>>>>>>>>>>drive, alone on the system, jumpered as "Single or
>>>>>>>>>>"master", boot to it as HDD-0 and run. This is my way
>>>>>>>>>>of having foolproof backup----an exact duplicate,
>>>>>>>>>>runnable drive, to swap in, in place of the Master,
>>>>>>>>>>at any time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What do I have to do? I can change boot.ini or anything
>>>>>>>>>>else on the "Slave" before switching over, but exactly
>>>>>>>>>>what? Sometimes it boots, sometimes it hangs in the
>>>>>>>>>>blue Windows logo screen (with the "loading personal
>>>>>>>>>>settings" message missing).
>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William B. Lurie
>>>>>
>
>


--
William B. Lurie
Anonymous
October 26, 2004 9:08:49 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Hi Bill,
You just complicated things a bit by adding partitions to this equation...
maybe. ;-)
We're just going to need to clarify some things, that's all.
1- When you boot from HD-0, where is your pagefile.sys?
2- Which drive is partitioned, HD-0 or HD-1?
a- Boot using HD-0, right-click My Computer, Manage, Disk Mgmt. Please
describe what the bars in the lower right-hand side look like, as follows:
(skip the CD drives)
Disk 0:
- Partition name, if any, (Letter), Type (from list in upper half of
screen)
- Partition name, if any, (Letter), Type (from list in upper half of
screen)
- etc.
Disk 1:
- Partition name, if any, (Letter), Type (from list in upper half of
screen)
- Partition name, if any, (Letter), Type (from list in upper half of
screen)
- etc.
3- If the partitions belong to HD-0, do you have any programs installed in
them?
Basically, do you use them for other than simply storing data?
4- What do you mean by SP1 & SP2? (I thought one was the image of the
other.)
5- Are there any other factors involved?

I have the impression that your "mirror" drive is getting confused when it's
alone, looking for something that lives in one of the other partitions? But
without knowing your precise setup and what is in the other partitions... If
the partitions belong to HD-0, why not do a full drive copy, meaning that
both would end up having equal number of partitions?

This is how things should "normally" look in a "generic" setup with more
than one HD, where HD-0 is the physical drive set to Master, and BIOS is set
to boot from HD-0.
A = Floppy
C = HD-0 (Primary Master), Partition 1
D = HD-1 (Primary Slave), Partition 1
E = CD drive of whichever type (Secondary Master)
F = (Secondary Slave, if any installed. If not, change G...Z to F...Z below)
G...Z = Other partitions, if any, first of HD-0, then of HD-1.
If the BIOS or the jumpers on the drives are changed, the above "should"
remain true as well. If a physical drive or partition is added after
initial installation, drive letters "should" be added as the next drive
letter available.
--
Cheers,
Alphonse

"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:%23UmI8ouuEHA.3152@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
> If I boot to HDD-0, My Computer lists the following drives:
> A Floppy
> C Master 80GB (SP1)
> D D-I 91604
> E CD-RW Drive
> F DVD drive
> G My Spare, with SP-2 (Slave position)
> H D-I 0713
> I D-I 091504
>
> If I boot to HDD-1, My Computer lists the following drives:
> A Floppy
> C Spare drive, with SP-2
> D Master 80GB (SP1)
> E CD-RW Drive
> F DVD Drive
> G D-I 91604
> H D-I 0713
> J D-I 091504
>
> I am able to boot to HDD-0 and run my Master 80GB SP1.....and
> I am able to boot to HDD-1 and run my Spare Drive, with SP2.
>
> But if I put the SP2 drive into Master position on the cable,
> jumper it as Master, and try to boot to it as HDD-0, I get to
> the blue Windows logo screen but not the Loading your personal
> settings....and it hangs there.
>
Anonymous
October 26, 2004 9:08:50 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Alphonse wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> You just complicated things a bit by adding partitions to this equation...
> maybe. ;-)
Perhaps so, but on every drive, the system partition is first,
and has nothing in front of it, and is obviously bootable. I
think it only *looks* more complicated.
> We're just going to need to clarify some things, that's all.
> 1- When you boot from HD-0, where is your pagefile.sys?
I have no idea. I don't know where it is, or what it is,
but I'll go looking for it if you need it.
> 2- Which drive is partitioned, HD-0 or HD-1?
Answer: Both drives are partitioned. I'll do it as you request (later),
but for now let me clarify a bit:
As indicated by Partition Magic:
Master 80GB drive has
Master 80GB (SP1) ----- Active ---Primary
D-I-91604 ----- none ---Logical
D-I 0713 ----- none ---Logical
'Slave' drive has
SP2 102004 ----- Active ---Primary
D-I 091504 ----- none ---Logical
> a- Boot using HD-0, right-click My Computer, Manage, Disk Mgmt. Please
> describe what the bars in the lower right-hand side look like, as follows:
> (skip the CD drives)
> Disk 0:
> - Partition name, if any, (Letter), Type (from list in upper half of
> screen)
> - Partition name, if any, (Letter), Type (from list in upper half of
> screen)
> - etc.
> Disk 1:
> - Partition name, if any, (Letter), Type (from list in upper half of
> screen)
> - Partition name, if any, (Letter), Type (from list in upper half of
> screen)
> - etc.
> 3- If the partitions belong to HD-0, do you have any programs installed in
> them?
The D-I partitions are simply drive-image-7 condensations of
the Master, done on various days. They are all D-I images,
> Basically, do you use them for other than simply storing data?
> 4- What do you mean by SP1 & SP2? (I thought one was the image of the
> other.)
The status of the Master is XP-Pro-SP1 update.
The status of the other is the same, but updated to SP2.
It was a direct copy of the Master, except that I upgraded
it to SP2. I did that in preparation for upgrading the
Master to SP2, which I don't want to do until I am sure
that I can run the Slave (i.e., the drive which is already
upgraded to SP2), alone on the system.
> 5- Are there any other factors involved?
Not that I know of. I can delete the Drive Images from both
drives, or store them elsewhere on other drives, but I can't see
why they could be complicating the issue at hand.
>
> I have the impression that your "mirror" drive is getting confused when it's
> alone, looking for something that lives in one of the other partitions? But
> without knowing your precise setup and what is in the other partitions... If
> the partitions belong to HD-0, why not do a full drive copy, meaning that
> both would end up having equal number of partitions?
I don't see that that would help me any. Please note that Symantec
(ex-PowerQuest) Drive Image 7 makes an exact copy of one drive
to another location....and by one drive, it means one partition.
I see no option for copying a full hard drive, multi-partition,
and in fact I wouldn't want to.
>
> This is how things should "normally" look in a "generic" setup with more
> than one HD, where HD-0 is the physical drive set to Master, and BIOS is set
> to boot from HD-0.
> A = Floppy
> C = HD-0 (Primary Master), Partition 1
> D = HD-1 (Primary Slave), Partition 1
> E = CD drive of whichever type (Secondary Master)
> F = (Secondary Slave, if any installed. If not, change G...Z to F...Z below)
> G...Z = Other partitions, if any, first of HD-0, then of HD-1.
> If the BIOS or the jumpers on the drives are changed, the above "should"
> remain true as well. If a physical drive or partition is added after
> initial installation, drive letters "should" be added as the next drive
> letter available.
Please note that I don't assign the letters for the various partitions.
Partition Magic and XP assign them, and I reported what they show up as.
What each partition shows up as, is different, depending on whether
I boot to HD-0 or HD-1

Again, thanks for working with me!!
W B L
--
William B. Lurie
Anonymous
October 26, 2004 9:08:51 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Alphonse, to answer you specifically, now that I have looked at
Win Explorer etcetera, I see:
When booted to HDD-0 ....
D-I 0713 H: Basic, NTFS, Healthy
D-I 91604 D: " " "
D-I 91504 I: " " "
Master 80GB C: Basic, NTFS, Healthy (System)
SP2-102004 G: Basic, NTFS, Healthy,(Active)

When booted to HDD-1 ....
D-I 0713 H: Basic, NTFS, Healthy
D-I 91604 G: Basic, NTFS, Healthy
D-I 91504 J: Basic, NTFS, Healthy
Master 80GB D: Basic, NTFS, Healthy (Active)
SP2-102004 C: Basic, NTFS, Healthy (System)
So now I have given all the information.......and please note that
on HDD-1, what exists is the SP2 system, and also D-I 91504. None
of the Drive Image partitions show as Active. To me they are all
"dead storage", and I'll delete them all if you think that'll help.
W B L
> Alphonse wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill,
>> You just complicated things a bit by adding partitions to this
>> equation... maybe. ;-)
>
> Perhaps so, but on every drive, the system partition is first,
> and has nothing in front of it, and is obviously bootable. I
> think it only *looks* more complicated.
>
>> We're just going to need to clarify some things, that's all.
>> 1- When you boot from HD-0, where is your pagefile.sys?
>
> I have no idea. I don't know where it is, or what it is,
> but I'll go looking for it if you need it.
>
>> 2- Which drive is partitioned, HD-0 or HD-1?
>
> Answer: Both drives are partitioned. I'll do it as you request (later),
> but for now let me clarify a bit:
> As indicated by Partition Magic:
> Master 80GB drive has
> Master 80GB (SP1) ----- Active ---Primary
> D-I-91604 ----- none ---Logical
> D-I 0713 ----- none ---Logical
> 'Slave' drive has
> SP2 102004 ----- Active ---Primary
> D-I 091504 ----- none ---Logical
>
>> a- Boot using HD-0, right-click My Computer, Manage, Disk Mgmt.
>> Please describe what the bars in the lower right-hand side look like,
>> as follows: (skip the CD drives)
>> Disk 0:
>> - Partition name, if any, (Letter), Type (from list in upper half of
>> screen)
>> - Partition name, if any, (Letter), Type (from list in upper half of
>> screen)
>> - etc.
>> Disk 1:
>> - Partition name, if any, (Letter), Type (from list in upper half of
>> screen)
>> - Partition name, if any, (Letter), Type (from list in upper half of
>> screen)
>> - etc.
>> 3- If the partitions belong to HD-0, do you have any programs
>> installed in them?
>
> The D-I partitions are simply drive-image-7 condensations of
> the Master, done on various days. They are all D-I images,
>
>> Basically, do you use them for other than simply storing data?
>> 4- What do you mean by SP1 & SP2? (I thought one was the image of the
>> other.)
>
> The status of the Master is XP-Pro-SP1 update.
> The status of the other is the same, but updated to SP2.
> It was a direct copy of the Master, except that I upgraded
> it to SP2. I did that in preparation for upgrading the
> Master to SP2, which I don't want to do until I am sure
> that I can run the Slave (i.e., the drive which is already
> upgraded to SP2), alone on the system.
>
>> 5- Are there any other factors involved?
>
> Not that I know of. I can delete the Drive Images from both
> drives, or store them elsewhere on other drives, but I can't see
> why they could be complicating the issue at hand.
>
>>
>> I have the impression that your "mirror" drive is getting confused
>> when it's alone, looking for something that lives in one of the other
>> partitions? But without knowing your precise setup and what is in the
>> other partitions... If the partitions belong to HD-0, why not do a
>> full drive copy, meaning that both would end up having equal number of
>> partitions?
>
> I don't see that that would help me any. Please note that Symantec
> (ex-PowerQuest) Drive Image 7 makes an exact copy of one drive
> to another location....and by one drive, it means one partition.
> I see no option for copying a full hard drive, multi-partition,
> and in fact I wouldn't want to.
>
>>
>> This is how things should "normally" look in a "generic" setup with
>> more than one HD, where HD-0 is the physical drive set to Master, and
>> BIOS is set to boot from HD-0.
>> A = Floppy
>> C = HD-0 (Primary Master), Partition 1
>> D = HD-1 (Primary Slave), Partition 1
>> E = CD drive of whichever type (Secondary Master)
>> F = (Secondary Slave, if any installed. If not, change G...Z to F...Z
>> below)
>> G...Z = Other partitions, if any, first of HD-0, then of HD-1.
>> If the BIOS or the jumpers on the drives are changed, the above
>> "should" remain true as well. If a physical drive or partition is
>> added after initial installation, drive letters "should" be added as
>> the next drive letter available.
>
> Please note that I don't assign the letters for the various partitions.
> Partition Magic and XP assign them, and I reported what they show up as.
> What each partition shows up as, is different, depending on whether
> I boot to HD-0 or HD-1
>
> Again, thanks for working with me!!
> W B L


--
William B. Lurie
Anonymous
October 26, 2004 9:08:51 PM

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William B. Lurie wrote:
Short note: pagefile.sys is on C:\ now, while I am
running on HDD-0, and is 737 MB in size.
Anonymous
October 27, 2004 2:11:38 AM

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Alphonse wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> Thanks for all the info... and while I sort, chew and hopefully digest all
> of it a bit, have you tried the "fdisk /mbr"? Boot from a Win diskette and
> at the DOS prompt type
> fdisk /mbr
> Reboot.......................... Results?
No, I haven't, Al.
For one thing, the "WIN boot diskette" that I have, is
a set of 6 that I downloaded from (I think) bootdisk.com .....
For another, I like your "just change the drive letter" idea if I
read you right.
Bill
Anonymous
October 27, 2004 6:09:17 PM

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William B. Lurie wrote:
> Alphonse wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill,
>> Thanks for all the info... and while I sort, chew and hopefully digest
>> all of it a bit, have you tried the "fdisk /mbr"? Boot from a Win
>> diskette and at the DOS prompt type
>> fdisk /mbr
>> Reboot.......................... Results?
>
> No, I haven't, Al.
> For one thing, the "WIN boot diskette" that I have, is
> a set of 6 that I downloaded from (I think) bootdisk.com .....
> For another, I like your "just change the drive letter" idea if I
> read you right.
> Bill
Continuing on, Alphonse, I took the next step that I thought to
be logical. I made both hard drives just unpartitioned, each
carrying a 'system' as Active, as seen by Partition Magic.
And I corrected the Drive Letter for the non-System drive
when in HDD-0, so that it is now "D". That agrees with
what I see when I boot to HDD-1, namely, the "System" drive is
always "C", and the other, or "Active" drive is "D".

This did not solve my basic problem: I can boot to my regular
Master in HDD-0, or to the SP2 system in HDD-1, when both are
on the cable, by changing the BIOS. And I can use my regular
Master alone in HDD-0 position. But now, when I put the SP2
drive in as Master, alone on the cable, it only come us to
"Boot from CD" in the boot-up. Perhaps a step back from where
we were before I changed from "G" to "D" as above. So now I
have done all that I can, without more advice from you.

Bill L.

--
William B. Lurie
Anonymous
October 28, 2004 2:36:23 AM

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Hello Bill,
You've left me almost speechless... OK, now that you have both drives with
one partition on each, let us try a different approach.
Right-clicking My Computer, Properties, Advanced, Startup and Recovery
Properties, Edit, and do as followings:
- find the line that looks like this
multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1" /fastdetect
/NoExecute=OptIn
- copy and paste it right below the first
On this second line
- change disk(0) to disk(1)
- change the comment in quotes to something like I wrote here

(Now it should look something like this)
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Microsoft Windows XP
Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1"
/fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn

- Save, close, and OK out.
- Reboot, and when you get the menu, select 2.

P.S. - To run fdisk /mbr all you need is a win98 bootdisk, if you can get
one or download it.

"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:e5X%23UAFvEHA.3872@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> William B. Lurie wrote:
>> Alphonse wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bill,
>>> Thanks for all the info... and while I sort, chew and hopefully digest
>>> all of it a bit, have you tried the "fdisk /mbr"? Boot from a Win
>>> diskette and at the DOS prompt type
>>> fdisk /mbr
>>> Reboot.......................... Results?
>>
>> No, I haven't, Al.
>> For one thing, the "WIN boot diskette" that I have, is
>> a set of 6 that I downloaded from (I think) bootdisk.com .....
>> For another, I like your "just change the drive letter" idea if I
>> read you right.
>> Bill
> Continuing on, Alphonse, I took the next step that I thought to
> be logical. I made both hard drives just unpartitioned, each
> carrying a 'system' as Active, as seen by Partition Magic.
> And I corrected the Drive Letter for the non-System drive
> when in HDD-0, so that it is now "D". That agrees with
> what I see when I boot to HDD-1, namely, the "System" drive is
> always "C", and the other, or "Active" drive is "D".
>
> This did not solve my basic problem: I can boot to my regular
> Master in HDD-0, or to the SP2 system in HDD-1, when both are
> on the cable, by changing the BIOS. And I can use my regular
> Master alone in HDD-0 position. But now, when I put the SP2
> drive in as Master, alone on the cable, it only come us to
> "Boot from CD" in the boot-up. Perhaps a step back from where
> we were before I changed from "G" to "D" as above. So now I
> have done all that I can, without more advice from you.
>
> Bill L.
>
> --
> William B. Lurie
Anonymous
October 28, 2004 2:36:24 AM

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Sorry, Al, can't find any Edit where you suggested.
Want to check it and give me more detail?
What you're asking me to change is boot.ini ....
which I am able to access anyway, by other means.

I'm willing to change it, but you do mean only on
HDD-1, my XP2 system, while I'm here on Master.....
so that it will boot differently when I stick IT in as Master, right?
Bill L.

Alphonse wrote:
> Hello Bill,
> You've left me almost speechless... OK, now that you have both drives with
> one partition on each, let us try a different approach.
> Right-clicking My Computer, Properties, Advanced, Startup and Recovery
> Properties, Edit, and do as followings:
> - find the line that looks like this
> multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1" /fastdetect
> /NoExecute=OptIn
> - copy and paste it right below the first
> On this second line
> - change disk(0) to disk(1)
> - change the comment in quotes to something like I wrote here
>
> (Now it should look something like this)
> [boot loader]
> timeout=30
> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows
> [operating systems]
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
> multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1"
> /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>
> - Save, close, and OK out.
> - Reboot, and when you get the menu, select 2.
>
> P.S. - To run fdisk /mbr all you need is a win98 bootdisk, if you can get
> one or download it.
>
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:e5X%23UAFvEHA.3872@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
>>William B. Lurie wrote:
>>
>>>Alphonse wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Bill,
>>>>Thanks for all the info... and while I sort, chew and hopefully digest
>>>>all of it a bit, have you tried the "fdisk /mbr"? Boot from a Win
>>>>diskette and at the DOS prompt type
>>>> fdisk /mbr
>>>>Reboot.......................... Results?
>>>
>>>No, I haven't, Al.
>>>For one thing, the "WIN boot diskette" that I have, is
>>>a set of 6 that I downloaded from (I think) bootdisk.com .....
>>>For another, I like your "just change the drive letter" idea if I
>>>read you right.
>>> Bill
>>
>>Continuing on, Alphonse, I took the next step that I thought to
>>be logical. I made both hard drives just unpartitioned, each
>>carrying a 'system' as Active, as seen by Partition Magic.
>>And I corrected the Drive Letter for the non-System drive
>>when in HDD-0, so that it is now "D". That agrees with
>>what I see when I boot to HDD-1, namely, the "System" drive is
>>always "C", and the other, or "Active" drive is "D".
>>
>>This did not solve my basic problem: I can boot to my regular
>>Master in HDD-0, or to the SP2 system in HDD-1, when both are
>>on the cable, by changing the BIOS. And I can use my regular
>>Master alone in HDD-0 position. But now, when I put the SP2
>>drive in as Master, alone on the cable, it only come us to
>>"Boot from CD" in the boot-up. Perhaps a step back from where
>>we were before I changed from "G" to "D" as above. So now I
>>have done all that I can, without more advice from you.
>>
>>Bill L.
>>
>>--
>> William B. Lurie
>
>
>


--
William B. Lurie
Anonymous
October 28, 2004 2:36:25 AM

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Al, on that SP2 drive of mine, here is what boot.ini
looks like now:

[boot loader]
timeout=10
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft
Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn

Actually that last 2 lines is really all on one
line, but I didn't want to paste it in and let it fold.
What do you want me to change it to?
Bill

William B. Lurie wrote:
> Sorry, Al, can't find any Edit where you suggested.
> Want to check it and give me more detail?
> What you're asking me to change is boot.ini ....
> which I am able to access anyway, by other means.
>
> I'm willing to change it, but you do mean only on
> HDD-1, my XP2 system, while I'm here on Master.....
> so that it will boot differently when I stick IT in as Master, right?
> Bill L.
>
> Alphonse wrote:
>
>> Hello Bill,
>> You've left me almost speechless... OK, now that you have both drives
>> with one partition on each, let us try a different approach.
>> Right-clicking My Computer, Properties, Advanced, Startup and Recovery
>> Properties, Edit, and do as followings:
>> - find the line that looks like this
>> multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1"
>> /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>> - copy and paste it right below the first
>> On this second line
>> - change disk(0) to disk(1)
>> - change the comment in quotes to something like I wrote here
>>
>> (Now it should look something like this)
>> [boot loader]
>> timeout=30
>> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows
>> [operating systems]
>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Microsoft Windows XP
>> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>> multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1"
>> /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>>
>> - Save, close, and OK out.
>> - Reboot, and when you get the menu, select 2.
>>
>> P.S. - To run fdisk /mbr all you need is a win98 bootdisk, if you
>> can get one or download it.
>>
>> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
>> news:e5X%23UAFvEHA.3872@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alphonse wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>> Thanks for all the info... and while I sort, chew and hopefully
>>>>> digest all of it a bit, have you tried the "fdisk /mbr"? Boot from
>>>>> a Win diskette and at the DOS prompt type
>>>>> fdisk /mbr
>>>>> Reboot.......................... Results?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, I haven't, Al.
>>>> For one thing, the "WIN boot diskette" that I have, is
>>>> a set of 6 that I downloaded from (I think) bootdisk.com .....
>>>> For another, I like your "just change the drive letter" idea if I
>>>> read you right.
>>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>> Continuing on, Alphonse, I took the next step that I thought to
>>> be logical. I made both hard drives just unpartitioned, each
>>> carrying a 'system' as Active, as seen by Partition Magic.
>>> And I corrected the Drive Letter for the non-System drive
>>> when in HDD-0, so that it is now "D". That agrees with
>>> what I see when I boot to HDD-1, namely, the "System" drive is
>>> always "C", and the other, or "Active" drive is "D".
>>>
>>> This did not solve my basic problem: I can boot to my regular
>>> Master in HDD-0, or to the SP2 system in HDD-1, when both are
>>> on the cable, by changing the BIOS. And I can use my regular
>>> Master alone in HDD-0 position. But now, when I put the SP2
>>> drive in as Master, alone on the cable, it only come us to
>>> "Boot from CD" in the boot-up. Perhaps a step back from where
>>> we were before I changed from "G" to "D" as above. So now I
>>> have done all that I can, without more advice from you.
>>>
>>> Bill L.
>>>
>>> --
>>> William B. Lurie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


--
William B. Lurie
Anonymous
October 28, 2004 4:28:53 AM

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(Just before I sent this one I got your last post... pls don't get ahead of
me or we will be doing two different things. ;-) )
No. Actually I was thinking of doing it on Master. Now let's see, yes I
goofed... It's Settings, not Properties, button for St&Rec
Right-clicking My Computer, Properties, Advanced, Startup and Recovery
Settings, Edit, and do as followings:
- find the line that looks like this
multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1" /fastdetect
/NoExecute=OptIn
- copy and paste it right below the first
On this second line
- change disk(0) to disk(1)
- change the comment in quotes to something like I wrote here, if you like.

(Now it should look something like this)
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Microsoft Windows XP
Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1"
/fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn

- Save, close, and OK out.
- Reboot, and when you get the menu, select 2.
--
Cheers,
Alphonse

P.S. - To run fdisk /mbr all you need is a win98 bootdisk, if you can get
one or download it.
Anonymous
October 28, 2004 4:28:54 AM

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Alphonse, I really don't want to make any boot changes to my Master
Drive, not until I have another drive which works in Master
position. That's my idea of playing it safe. Rethink it just a little,
and tell me again, and this time please review what you want the
two long lines to read. Don't you want the first line to read disk(0)
which you want me to change to disk(1) on the second line?

Remember, it is my goal to make the *second* drive work all alone
in Master position, what's the point of changing anything on the
Master itself, when we're going to unplug that one and fire up the
other one?

Alphonse wrote:
> (Just before I sent this one I got your last post... pls don't get ahead of
> me or we will be doing two different things. ;-) )
> No. Actually I was thinking of doing it on Master. Now let's see, yes I
> goofed... It's Settings, not Properties, button for St&Rec
> Right-clicking My Computer, Properties, Advanced, Startup and Recovery
> Settings, Edit, and do as followings:
> - find the line that looks like this
> multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1" /fastdetect
> /NoExecute=OptIn
> - copy and paste it right below the first
> On this second line
> - change disk(0) to disk(1)
> - change the comment in quotes to something like I wrote here, if you like.
>
> (Now it should look something like this)
> [boot loader]
> timeout=30
> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows
> [operating systems]
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
> multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1"
> /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>
> - Save, close, and OK out.
> - Reboot, and when you get the menu, select 2.


--
William B. Lurie
Anonymous
October 28, 2004 4:28:55 AM

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William B. Lurie wrote:
> Alphonse, I really don't want to make any boot changes to my Master
> Drive, not until I have another drive which works in Master
> position. That's my idea of playing it safe. Rethink it just a little,
> and tell me again, and this time please review what you want the
> two long lines to read. Don't you want the first line to read disk(0)
> which you want me to change to disk(1) on the second line?
>
> Remember, it is my goal to make the *second* drive work all alone
> in Master position, what's the point of changing anything on the
> Master itself, when we're going to unplug that one and fire up the
> other one?
>
> Alphonse wrote:
>
>> (Just before I sent this one I got your last post... pls don't get
>> ahead of me or we will be doing two different things. ;-) )
>> No. Actually I was thinking of doing it on Master. Now let's see, yes
>> I goofed... It's Settings, not Properties, button for St&Rec
>> Right-clicking My Computer, Properties, Advanced, Startup and Recovery
>> Settings, Edit, and do as followings:
>> - find the line that looks like this
>> multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1" /fastdetect
>> /NoExecute=OptIn
>> - copy and paste it right below the first
>> On this second line
>> - change disk(0) to disk(1)
>> - change the comment in quotes to something like I wrote here, if you
>> like.
>>
>> (Now it should look something like this)
>> [boot loader]
>> timeout=30
>> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows
>> [operating systems]
>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Microsoft Windows XP
>> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>> multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1"
>> /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>>
>> - Save, close, and OK out.
>> - Reboot, and when you get the menu, select 2.
>
>
>
The whole concept of magnetic storage will be long obsolete before you
ever get this to work.
Anonymous
October 28, 2004 4:28:56 AM

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Alphonse, I've made the boot.ini on my
SP2 drive the following:

[boot loader]
timeout=10
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional
SP2" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn

Is that what you want? If so, what do I do next?
Bill

> William B. Lurie wrote:
>
>> Alphonse, I really don't want to make any boot changes to my Master
>> Drive, not until I have another drive which works in Master
>> position. That's my idea of playing it safe. Rethink it just a little,
>> and tell me again, and this time please review what you want the
>> two long lines to read. Don't you want the first line to read disk(0)
>> which you want me to change to disk(1) on the second line?
>>
>> Remember, it is my goal to make the *second* drive work all alone
>> in Master position, what's the point of changing anything on the
>> Master itself, when we're going to unplug that one and fire up the
>> other one?
>>
>> Alphonse wrote:
>>
>>> (Just before I sent this one I got your last post... pls don't get
>>> ahead of me or we will be doing two different things. ;-) )
>>> No. Actually I was thinking of doing it on Master. Now let's see, yes
>>> I goofed... It's Settings, not Properties, button for St&Rec
>>> Right-clicking My Computer, Properties, Advanced, Startup and
>>> Recovery Settings, Edit, and do as followings:
>>> - find the line that looks like this
>>> multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1"
>>> /fastdetect
>>> /NoExecute=OptIn
>>> - copy and paste it right below the first
>>> On this second line
>>> - change disk(0) to disk(1)
>>> - change the comment in quotes to something like I wrote here, if you
>>> like.
>>>
>>> (Now it should look something like this)
>>> [boot loader]
>>> timeout=30
>>> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows
>>> [operating systems]
>>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Microsoft Windows XP
>>> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>>> multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1"
>>> /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>>>
>>> - Save, close, and OK out.
>>> - Reboot, and when you get the menu, select 2.
>>
>>
Anonymous
October 29, 2004 10:18:12 PM

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Hmmmm, Alphonse.....I hope you're just 'away' and not stumped.
With that boot.ini on my SP2 drive, if I try it as Master, it
stops right after BIOS at 'Boot from CD'......, where it hangs.
And I've tried changing drive letter of that drive from G: as
it was, to D: which was vacant, with same results........
Either way, it boots up fine in Slave position as HDD-1, but
hangs at same place if I make it Master/HDD-0.
William B. Lurie wrote:
> Alphonse, I've made the boot.ini on my
> SP2 drive the following:
>
> [boot loader]
> timeout=10
> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
> [operating systems]
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
> multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional
> SP2" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>
> Is that what you want? If so, what do I do next?
> Bill
>
>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>
>>> Alphonse, I really don't want to make any boot changes to my Master
>>> Drive, not until I have another drive which works in Master
>>> position. That's my idea of playing it safe. Rethink it just a little,
>>> and tell me again, and this time please review what you want the
>>> two long lines to read. Don't you want the first line to read disk(0)
>>> which you want me to change to disk(1) on the second line?
>>>
>>> Remember, it is my goal to make the *second* drive work all alone
>>> in Master position, what's the point of changing anything on the
>>> Master itself, when we're going to unplug that one and fire up the
>>> other one?
>>>
>>> Alphonse wrote:
>>>
>>>> (Just before I sent this one I got your last post... pls don't get
>>>> ahead of me or we will be doing two different things. ;-) )
>>>> No. Actually I was thinking of doing it on Master. Now let's see,
>>>> yes I goofed... It's Settings, not Properties, button for St&Rec
>>>> Right-clicking My Computer, Properties, Advanced, Startup and
>>>> Recovery Settings, Edit, and do as followings:
>>>> - find the line that looks like this
>>>> multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1"
>>>> /fastdetect
>>>> /NoExecute=OptIn
>>>> - copy and paste it right below the first
>>>> On this second line
>>>> - change disk(0) to disk(1)
>>>> - change the comment in quotes to something like I wrote here, if
>>>> you like.
>>>>
>>>> (Now it should look something like this)
>>>> [boot loader]
>>>> timeout=30
>>>> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows
>>>> [operating systems]
>>>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Microsoft Windows XP
>>>> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>>>> multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1"
>>>> /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>>>>
>>>> - Save, close, and OK out.
>>>> - Reboot, and when you get the menu, select 2.
>>>
>>>
>>>


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William B. Lurie
Anonymous
October 31, 2004 12:51:32 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Al, although you haven't advised further, I have progress to report.
I took still another hard drive on which I had made a full copy
of the Master, and somehow I fired it up and it booted properly.
If I knew why, I'd be happy. If I knew what's different, I'd be happy.
I hate to be in a "It ain't broke, don't fix it" mode, but all I can say
is, if I find out what's different, I'll let you know. Right now I have the
next problem, on which I'll start a new thread, namely, my mail and
address and bookmark files are in a folder that's under c:\Documents &.....
and I'm trying to find out how to copy those to a separate file or directory
so that I can copy them to CD and have them handy to fall back on.
Or really how to copy them to the same place on my "spare" hard drive.
Bill L.

William B. Lurie wrote:
> Hmmmm, Alphonse.....I hope you're just 'away' and not stumped.
> With that boot.ini on my SP2 drive, if I try it as Master, it
> stops right after BIOS at 'Boot from CD'......, where it hangs.
> And I've tried changing drive letter of that drive from G: as
> it was, to D: which was vacant, with same results........
> Either way, it boots up fine in Slave position as HDD-1, but
> hangs at same place if I make it Master/HDD-0.
> William B. Lurie wrote:
>
>> Alphonse, I've made the boot.ini on my
>> SP2 drive the following:
>>
>> [boot loader]
>> timeout=10
>> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
>> [operating systems]
>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
>> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>> multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional
>> SP2" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>>
>> Is that what you want? If so, what do I do next?
>> Bill
>>
>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alphonse, I really don't want to make any boot changes to my Master
>>>> Drive, not until I have another drive which works in Master
>>>> position. That's my idea of playing it safe. Rethink it just a little,
>>>> and tell me again, and this time please review what you want the
>>>> two long lines to read. Don't you want the first line to read disk(0)
>>>> which you want me to change to disk(1) on the second line?
>>>>
>>>> Remember, it is my goal to make the *second* drive work all alone
>>>> in Master position, what's the point of changing anything on the
>>>> Master itself, when we're going to unplug that one and fire up the
>>>> other one?
>>>>
>>>> Alphonse wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> (Just before I sent this one I got your last post... pls don't get
>>>>> ahead of me or we will be doing two different things. ;-) )
>>>>> No. Actually I was thinking of doing it on Master. Now let's see,
>>>>> yes I goofed... It's Settings, not Properties, button for St&Rec
>>>>> Right-clicking My Computer, Properties, Advanced, Startup and
>>>>> Recovery Settings, Edit, and do as followings:
>>>>> - find the line that looks like this
>>>>> multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1"
>>>>> /fastdetect
>>>>> /NoExecute=OptIn
>>>>> - copy and paste it right below the first
>>>>> On this second line
>>>>> - change disk(0) to disk(1)
>>>>> - change the comment in quotes to something like I wrote here, if
>>>>> you like.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Now it should look something like this)
>>>>> [boot loader]
>>>>> timeout=30
>>>>> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows
>>>>> [operating systems]
>>>>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Microsoft Windows XP
>>>>> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>>>>> multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Win XP Pro HD-1"
>>>>> /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
>>>>>
>>>>> - Save, close, and OK out.
>>>>> - Reboot, and when you get the menu, select 2.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>


--
William B. Lurie
Anonymous
November 3, 2004 5:59:08 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

I don't know your understanding of the windows xp behaviuor.
You can change your My documents by klicking rightmouse knop on My documents
under the start menu.

If you change the selected folder c:\documents and setting\your name\my
documents to (sample) D:\My docs, then Windows wil refer always to the new
location.

As same with other folders under C:\documents and settings\username, even
the hidden folders, you can cut and past on every place you want it to be.

For me i have al the neccesary folders placed in my My documents folder on
an different HDD zo that if i have to re-install the system i have alwas the
exact same system settings.
Think about the standard sent to folder.
I have changed enough in it to worrie me every next time, so i made the
standard folder to be on that other HDD.
Just by cutting the c:\documents and settings\....\sent to folder to mij
D:\My documents folder.
As this is an standard handling for me in every installation i know that if
you only repeat those handlings everytime you install an new windows xp
system, or re install your windows xp system than everytime you have
re-installed your windows xp you can start with the same settings as before.

You can see the sent to folder if you change the folder settings so that you
see every file ( hidden or not)


PLease forgive me my bad english.
I hope you understand what i mean.
Greetings from the Netherlands
Frank



"William B. Lurie" wrote:

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> is, if I find out what's different, I'll let you know. Right now I have the
> next problem, on which I'll start a new thread, namely, my mail and
> address and bookmark files are in a folder that's under c:\Documents &.....
> and I'm trying to find out how to copy those to a separate file or directory
> so that I can copy them to CD and have them handy to fall back on.
> Or really how to copy them to the same place on my "spare" hard drive.
> Bill L.
>
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