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August 8, 2006 9:48:19 PM

My new system is:

Asus P5W DH Deluxe
Conroe E6600
600 Watt GameXStream OCZ
OCZ DDR2 6400 1X2 Gig memory
7200.10 Seagate 320Gig Hard Drive
P180

Basically, I'm starting to wimp out on the 7900gt due to so many issues and so many people complaining of artifacting in short periods of time. My question is, that I might as well take this oppurtunity to get a slightly lower card and wait for DX10 and take the oppurtunity to "up" some of the specifications on my system. So far my system comes up to:

Product:
Quantity:
Total:

OCZ GameXStream Power Supply (SLI Ready) 600W
(OCZ600GXSSLI)
Price: $143.17 Quantity: $143.17
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ANTEC P180 Advanced Super Mid Tower Silver
(P180)
Price: $153.47 Quantity: $153.47
Availability: In Stock

Zalman CPU Fan LED-CU With 70mm Fan LED Retail
(CNPS9500 LED)
Price: $66.95 Quantity: $66.95
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC2-6400 Dual Channel Gold XTC
(OCZ2G8002GK)
Price: $307.97 Quantity: $307.97
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB 7200 rpm 16 MB
(ST3320620AS)
Price: $110.21 Quantity: $110.21
Availability: In Stock

NEC 16x Dual layer Black Bulk Pack
(ND-3550A-BK0A)
Price: $46.87 Quantity: $46.87
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

INTEL Pentium Conroe E6600 2.4GHz FSB1066MHz 4MB LGA775 Dual-Core
Price: $421.27 Quantity: $421.27
Availability: Coming Soon Accepting Back Order

ASUS INTEL 975X 3PCI/2PCI-E X16/2PCI-E X1 D.GB LAN
(P5W DH DELUXE)
Price: $287.37 Quantity: $287.37
Availability: Please Call for Stock

Total:
$1,537.28

That's CANADIAN dollars so prices are slightly higher than American. My question is this. Try and find me a cheaper graphics card that can run everything today with at least moderate FPS and give me advice on where I can upgrade my system either more. I was thinking of doing something with hard drives. My budget is 2000$ CANADIAN without tax so 2300 with.

For video cards I was considering the 7600GT. I have never gone ATI but I don't mind trying new things.

Thanks for any advice.

Edit: I recently a cheap 250 dollar X1800XL but I have never heard of this card. Any advice?

And also, I play games like Battlefield 2, RCT3 (which can be surprisingly graphic hungry in large parks), and Oblivion (which even my 6600gt could handle sometimes).

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August 8, 2006 11:27:04 PM

If you have concerns about the 7900GT, then maybe stretch your budget a tiny bit for the X1900XT from ATI?

I've just bought one to replace my 7800GT (which gave dissapointing performance in Oblivion) and I'm very happy with it.

Performance is great, so is image quality, and it should last fairly well until DX 10 I hope.

The 7600GT, though, you would most certainly find (while a reasonable card) would frustrate you with performance if you want to push the graphics settings on newer games - especially Oblivion outdoors! It certainly won't give a Conroe E6600 room to breathe. In a system of that quality I'd say an X1900XT would look more 'in place'.

The XTX version is a waste of money in my opinion, not alot of performance difference for teh extra cash... save that for DX10!

If you're feeling plush, the 7950GX2 would really be the card to push some serious benchie numbers alongside the Conroe E6600 - but it has a price tag to match.

By the way, the rest of your build is...disturbingly...exactly...what...I...would...build.... except I'd swap the OCZ for an Antec NeoHE (quieter), and I'd probably choose a Raptor as an OS/Application drive with the Seagate for storage.
August 8, 2006 11:39:44 PM

Hi, thanks for the reply. The build came together after about 80 hours of research 8O . I'd never actually considered the X1900XT because I thought it was a pricy card but I'm seeing it in Canada 450 ish area, the ATI model is actually 399. In that case I'd certainly take that card. Thanks for that, I'll try building around to save some money but I think I might hafta make some changes.

Would it be advisable to maybe go for a Conroe E6400?

Thanks very much for the card suggestion as I think I will go with that. Any additional comments from anyone are appreciated.

My system now looks like this:

Product:
Quantity:
Total:

ATI Radeon X1900XT 512M DDR3 2DVI+VIVO (Retail)
(100-435801)
Price: $410.97 Quantity: $410.97
Availability: Available While Supplies Last

NEC 16x Dual layer Black Bulk Pack
(ND-3550A-BK0A)
Price: $46.87 Quantity: $46.87
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

OCZ GameXStream Power Supply (SLI Ready) 600W
(OCZ600GXSSLI)
Price: $143.17 Quantity: $143.17
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ANTEC P180 Advanced Super Mid Tower Silver
(P180)
Price: $153.47 Quantity: $153.47
Availability: In Stock

OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC2-6400 Dual Channel Gold XTC
(OCZ2G8002GK)
Price: $307.97 Quantity: $307.97
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ASUS INTEL 975X 3PCI/2PCI-E X16/2PCI-E X1 D.GB LAN
(P5W DH DELUXE)
Price: $287.37 Quantity: $287.37
Availability: Please Call for Stock

INTEL Pentium D E6400 2.13GHz FSB1066MHz 2MB LGA775 Dual-Core
(BX80557E6400SL9S9)
Price: $315.18 Quantity: $315.18
Availability: In Stock

Zalman CPU Fan LED-CU With 70mm Fan LED Retail
(CNPS9500 LED)
Price: $66.95 Quantity: $66.95
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

Western Digital Raptor 150GB 1.5Gb/s 10000rpm 16MB Bulk
(WD1500ADFD)
Price: $328.57 Quantity: $328.57
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

Total:
$2,060.52

I've decided to just take the 150 gig Raptor as I do not use a lot of space and I do have another 160 Gig Caviar Se WD at home which I can always use. I also have another 74 gig Raptor in my other rig which I am giving to my bro. Is the drop to the E6400 a good choice?
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August 8, 2006 11:59:08 PM

According to the benchies, the E6600 is outperforming the E6400 by between 5-35% depending on the application (eg GPU-bound FEAR at 1600x1200 4xAA 8xAF will show less of a difference than Doom3 at 1024x768).

In light of that performance difference I'd definitely say that the E6600 is currently the higher 'medium-range' CPU of the moment, so I'd go for that.

Basically, if I was building your PC RIGHT NOW, I'd do pretty much the same as above but with an E6600 and the NeoHE 550w as I mentioned.

However, either would be a pretty awesome build.
August 9, 2006 11:21:52 AM

Thanks for the reply. My system now stands at:

Product:
Quantity:
Total:

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB 7200 rpm 16 MB
(ST3320620AS)
Price: $110.21 Quantity: $220.42
Availability: In Stock

INTEL Pentium D E6600 2.4GHz FSB1066MHz 4MB LGA775 Dual-Core
Price: $421.27 Quantity: $421.27
Availability: Coming Soon Accepting Back Order

Zalman CPU Fan LED-CU With 70mm Fan LED Retail
(CNPS9500 LED)
Price: $66.95 Quantity: $66.95
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ATI Radeon X1900XT 512M DDR3 2DVI+VIVO (Retail)
(100-435801)
Price: $410.97 Quantity: $410.97
Availability: Available While Supplies Last

Corsair 2G (2 x 1G) Twin2X
(TWIN2X2048-6400)
Price: $277.07 Quantity: $277.07
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

OCZ GameXStream Power Supply (SLI Ready) 600W
(OCZ600GXSSLI)
Price: $143.17 Quantity: $143.17
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ANTEC P180 Advanced Super Mid Tower Silver
(P180)
Price: $153.47 Quantity: $153.47
Availability: In Stock

NEC 16x Dual layer Black Bulk Pack
(ND-3550A-BK0A)
Price: $46.87 Quantity: $46.87
Availability: Usually Ships Within 1 to 3 business days

ASUS INTEL 975X 3PCI/2PCI-E X16/2PCI-E X1 D.GB LAN
(P5W DH DELUXE)
Price: $287.37 Quantity: $287.37
Availability: Please Call for Stock

Total:
$2,027.56

I had to sacrifice the Raptor but instead I'll probably run Raid 0 with my two hard drives for the speed. I got the E6600 back which is good and I put in an ATI 1900xt. I also put in Corsair Memory as it was a little cheaper with the same settings. The OCZ was apparently getting a lot of problems. I looked at the 550w NeoHE but my local dealer doesn't have it.

Just a question with the 1900XT, should I buy an additional cooler or is the stock fine?
Any other changes suggested?
August 9, 2006 11:53:29 AM

Where are you ordering from?
August 9, 2006 12:23:56 PM

I'm ordering probably from infonec.com or icct.ca . There both Canadian sites and it's about a 20 minute drive from here. Their prices I found are actually really low and competitive compared to ncix and other "major" online stores. Some of their prices even compete with newegg.com which is pretty cool cause their prices are American and infonec's are Canadian :D  .
August 9, 2006 12:59:18 PM

I couldn't get the first site to work, but on the second site, I didn't see anything better than the 7900GT in it's price range.
August 9, 2006 10:26:38 PM

What about a X1900GT???
August 9, 2006 10:58:34 PM

Quote:
What about a X1900GT???
Both the X1800XT and 7900GT will outperform the X1900GT in nearly everything.
August 10, 2006 12:24:27 AM

please tell me where the x1900gt is cheaper than the 7900gt?? NCIX had the evga 7900gt in the 299 range a while back
August 10, 2006 1:21:08 AM

x1800gto or 7600gt
August 10, 2006 3:29:50 AM

Quote:
Not according to TH.

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/08/09/a_tale_of_two_gts_...

In most of the tests the X1900GT beats the 7900GT and the 7600GT. Plus, the X1900GT is available to me for cheaper than the 7900GT (by almost 50 bucks)
Actually if you can read the graph correctly, you'll see that the 7900GT outperforms the X1900GT at higher resolutions.
August 10, 2006 9:58:19 AM

To Coops07, on my local site from where I am buying my things from;

X1900XT: 379
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=1...

7900GT: 329
http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=1...

X1900GT: 259 http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=1...

Thats the prices in Canadian dollars.

To frankzoola, the X1800GTO or 7600GT is not powerful engough for the games I want to play and I do not see it as a worth while upgrade from a 6600GT.

To Heyyou27, the 7900GT does outperform, but only marginally, and the X1900GT is available to me for more than 100 dollars less than the 7900GT.

To racerboywonder, that was my thinking in that when I buy the card in september it might be even cheaper.

My situation allows for either the X1900GT, X1900XT, or 7900GT. The X1900XT I can just squeeze into my budget but I would prefer to go for the X1900GT as it performs as well as the 7900GT for 120 dollars less.

Thanks for all the help so far. More help is greatly appreciated.
August 10, 2006 10:51:28 AM

Funny how everyone ends up getting the same stuff....

I almost bought that OCZ power supply, but chintzed out and got an Enermax Liberty 500. I think I might be stretching things, but we'll see. Plus for that case (I'm getting that too!) I think having modular cables will make installing things a lot easier. I read the Enermaxes also have longer cables, you might need extension cables for the OCZ. I actually emailed them and the rep said they are 21". Here's a link with measurements. I dunno, I don't have the case yet either.

I got a 1900xt but I have a 20" LCD to drive. Your decision should depend on the resolutions you're going to run at...At 1024 I think a GTO would be ok. For bigger than that you are better off with the XT.

And I got a 6400 because the 6600s just don't have the price/performance right now and I need a system for school in the fall. You will be able to easily overclock a 6400 to 6600 speeds and probably not miss the cache...

Also getting the 6400 instead allowed me to afford the 1900xt...Originally I was going to get a "fixed" EVGA 7900gt too, but now I don't have to take the risk on the 7900 line with all their problems.
August 10, 2006 11:06:40 AM

I was thinking of the GTO but it's at the same price as the X1900GT so I figured I might as well get the GT or the XT which is 379. I was originally getting the 6400 but I figured the 6600 would be better in the long run with the extra cache which people said "apparently made the difference". In fact I heard claims that the 6600 performed 5-35% better than the 6400 in game and its only 100 dollars more from my local stores.

I also decided against the 7900GT after all the problems it was getting.

Does anyone have an idea as to which to get?

X1900XT 379$
X1900GT 259$ (Probably my choice)
7900GT 329$ (Prefer not to get :? )
August 10, 2006 11:54:05 AM

The X1900GT is not a bad card by any means. It performs on par with the 7900GT. The only thing about the X1900GT that turns me off about it is the price. If you can find one significantly lower than the cheapest 7900GT or cheapest X1800XT you can find, then go for it.

Oh, and you can't really compare a X1900XT with a 7900GT. An X1900XT would smoke it. The 7900GT's direct competition is the X1800XT.
August 10, 2006 1:01:45 PM

i have a 7900 gt and all these horror storeys of problems with that card was mostly from that one back from EVGA that were clocked very high. i have a bfg 7900GT and it works great. havent tried to o/c it yet but i dont need to as i can play bf2 with 4xAA and 16xAF on at 12x10( 17" lcd nativve res.) and i coudl play fear at 12x10 with 2x AA an 8X AF on .

but i bought it over the x1900gt because of the price. i got the bfg 7900GT for 279+ tax ( Canadian) where the x1900gt's are 330( for a saphire)

nice prices btw i usualy shop at canadacomputers.com because there is a shop close by that i can drive too . but there stock levels are horible.
August 11, 2006 12:53:10 PM

Since my X1900GT price is so low I might go with that card over the 7900GT. If I have enough I'll take the X1900XT.