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Anonymous
June 20, 2005 2:28:22 PM

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Wondering it Canon is about to release new models. Saw in Fry's ad
today the IP4000 on sale for $80 and this is not referb's.

Mickey

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June 20, 2005 3:27:50 PM

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Mickey wrote:

> Wondering it Canon is about to release new models. Saw in Fry's ad
> today the IP4000 on sale for $80 and this is not referb's.
>
> Mickey

Yes and very soon.
Frank
Anonymous
June 20, 2005 5:58:27 PM

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Mickey wrote:
> Wondering it Canon is about to release new models. Saw in Fry's ad
> today the IP4000 on sale for $80 and this is not referb's.
>
> Mickey


They're definitely coming when you see rapid price drops.

That $80 printer is $100 Canadian dollars.

Although I haven't seen it at that price here, it would mean a set of
Canon cartridges bought at Wal-Mart or Radio Shack in Canada would cost
you more than the printer. Bought at Costco Canada that would be about
$85 in cartridges - but you have to buy 15 cartridges (five 3-packs) to
get that price.

-Taliesyn
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Anonymous
June 20, 2005 9:46:23 PM

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I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will
introduce a new model.

Mickey wrote:

> Wondering it Canon is about to release new models. Saw in Fry's ad
> today the IP4000 on sale for $80 and this is not referb's.
>
> Mickey
Anonymous
June 20, 2005 10:54:09 PM

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Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer. However
they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers use
the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same inks you
are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon tells
you.
June 20, 2005 10:54:10 PM

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> Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
> You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do a lot
> of printing.

I've been meaning to ask, as it seems to be the norm here to take
anyone's topic and transform it into a debate on OEM vs Aftermarket
suppliers.

Does Media Street actually formulate and manufacturer their own ink?
What i've seen seems to sugest that they do, but i'm now aware of any
references to this. I'm as sceptical as the next man but I know the
canon OEM ink while reasonable in price is very much prone to faiding.
June 20, 2005 10:54:10 PM

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> With Canon, having tanks instead of integral cartridges (and hoping that the seperate
> print heads will not be cut out while I am still using the printer)

Most people by that point would just replace the printer, and chances
are this would be at least a year or more down the line where you have
already saved enough to justify the expense and declare victory. If
you are worried about it you can always pickup a spare. Let's say
after the 10th refill. That would add between $1.66 $2.50/ink tank and
chances are you'll not even need it till beyond your 20th refill but
even on the off chance you do you still can declare victory I don't
know a single canon owner that has had to replace their head, and these
numbers I just pulled out of the air and have little basis in reality.
I could use canon's numbers and actually estimate how many replacement
tanks they mean when they say 18,000 copies but i'm lazy.
June 20, 2005 10:54:11 PM

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zakezuke wrote:
>> Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
>>You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do a lot
>>of printing.
>
>
> I've been meaning to ask, as it seems to be the norm here to take
> anyone's topic and transform it into a debate on OEM vs Aftermarket
> suppliers.
>
> Does Media Street actually formulate and manufacturer their own ink?
> What i've seen seems to sugest that they do, but i'm now aware of any
> references to this. I'm as sceptical as the next man but I know the
> canon OEM ink while reasonable in price is very much prone to faiding.
>

Obviously they have a vested interest in the formulation of their oem
replacement inks. I don't really know but I seriously doubt they
actually manufacture their own ink. Most ink suppliers, even oem's, use
overseas contract ink manufacturers who work closely with them on
formulation tailored to their requested results to develop specific inks
for them.
Media Street appears to be doing this. Unless you're an ink formulation
specialists or ink chemists knowing who (which Chinese factory)
formulates the ink your using is basically useless information.
All dye based inks fade more rapidly than do pigment based inks as I'm
sure you already know.
As for "reasonably priced" you need to define "reasonable". Canon oem
carts cost about $11.95usd for my i9900. 3rd carts cost as little as
$3.95usd.
You do the math, if that's reasonable for you to pay for oem's then so
be it.
For more information about Media Street suggest you call or email them.
Frank
Anonymous
June 20, 2005 11:23:21 PM

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bmoag wrote:

>Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer. However
>they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers use
>the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same inks you
>are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon tells
>you.
>
>

Canon does not have to tell you that"

You have twin paper feeds

You can print duplex

The drivers that control the results has been enhanced

It is faster.

>
>
>
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 12:18:03 AM

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"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
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>I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will introduce a
>new model.

Provided they don't go out of business beforehand.
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 12:28:17 AM

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I do not think you will live long enough to see that.

Anna Daptor wrote:

>"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
>news:p hDte.1346$Bx6.1338@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will introduce a
>>new model.
>>
>>
>
>Provided they don't go out of business beforehand.
>
>
>
>
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 12:57:25 AM

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"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
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>I do not think you will live long enough to see that.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch......


> Anna Daptor wrote:
>
>>"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
>>news:p hDte.1346$Bx6.1338@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>>I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will introduce
>>>a new model.
>>>
>>
>>Provided they don't go out of business beforehand.
>>
>>
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 1:02:52 AM

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measekite (inkystinky@oem.com) writes:
> I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will
> introduce a new model.
>
> Mickey wrote:
>
>> Wondering it Canon is about to release new models. Saw in Fry's ad
>> today the IP4000 on sale for $80 and this is not referb's.
>>
>> Mickey


Expected drivl from this "source".


--
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 1:15:14 AM

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"bmoag" (aemd@verizon.net) writes:
> Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer. However
> they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers use
> the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same inks you
> are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon tells
> you.
>
>


Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon as my next
printer, and one of my criteria is "they offer the same carts for a long
time." For instance, Lexmark uses the same black in both my 5700 (not that
I use it any more) and Z52, but different color carts. OK, print quality
improved so the replacement is valid. My Z65 has an entirely different
(and smaller) set. It would have been nice to be able--and depend on
being able to buy--the same black for all three. With Canon, having tanks
instead of integral cartridges (and hoping that the seperate print heads
will not be cut out while I am still using the printer) i'd consider it an
advantage for the tank to usable over several product cycles. And find
them on the shelves, not cut out because the store didn't want to stock
older ink for discontinued models.

Brendan

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Anonymous
June 21, 2005 1:15:15 AM

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I'm using the same bulk ink in 3 different Canon models. I'd call that an
advantage.

Aside from that, the PIXMA models are nothing like their predecessors. Many
functions and features were added, not the least of which is 2 paper feeds
and duplexing, silent operation, lower prices, etc, etc. Only someone who
has not used either model line would make that statement.


"Brendan R. Wehrung" <ck183@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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>
> "bmoag" (aemd@verizon.net) writes:
> > Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer.
However
> > they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers
use
> > the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same inks
you
> > are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon
tells
> > you.
> >
> >
>
>
> Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon as my next
> printer, and one of my criteria is "they offer the same carts for a long
> time." For instance, Lexmark uses the same black in both my 5700 (not that
> I use it any more) and Z52, but different color carts. OK, print quality
> improved so the replacement is valid. My Z65 has an entirely different
> (and smaller) set. It would have been nice to be able--and depend on
> being able to buy--the same black for all three. With Canon, having tanks
> instead of integral cartridges (and hoping that the seperate print heads
> will not be cut out while I am still using the printer) i'd consider it an
> advantage for the tank to usable over several product cycles. And find
> them on the shelves, not cut out because the store didn't want to stock
> older ink for discontinued models.
>
> Brendan
>
> --
>
>
June 21, 2005 1:15:15 AM

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> NO And they will not tell you what BRAND of ink they sell.

"Media Street has its own ink development lab and manufacturing
facility strategically located adjacent to its own paper converting
facility. Also on premesis is an Atlas Suntest FadeOmeter XLS Machine
to allow for internal lightstability testing. Norm Levy is an active
member of the ISO Working Group 5- Task Group 3 Committee: Methods for
Measuring the Stability of Color Pictoral Images."
--http://www.mediastreet.com/cgi-bin/tame/mediastreet/abo...

Norm Levy has stated that it's manufactured under their own roof in
Long Island.
--http://www.mediastreet.com/realplayer.html

Unless you have evidence to sugest they don't, I think i'll go with
what they say about the subject thanks.

> >What i've seen seems to sugest that they do, but i'm now aware of any
> >references to this. I'm as sceptical as the next man but I know the
> >canon OEM ink while reasonable in price is very much prone to faiding.

> I have not had that problem.

You must have no sunlight. I've seen worse, but i've seen much better.
I'll do some testing once I actually run out of OEM ink.
June 21, 2005 1:15:16 AM

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zakezuke wrote:

>>NO And they will not tell you what BRAND of ink they sell.
>
>
> "Media Street has its own ink development lab and manufacturing
> facility strategically located adjacent to its own paper converting
> facility. Also on premesis is an Atlas Suntest FadeOmeter XLS Machine
> to allow for internal lightstability testing. Norm Levy is an active
> member of the ISO Working Group 5- Task Group 3 Committee: Methods for
> Measuring the Stability of Color Pictoral Images."
> --http://www.mediastreet.com/cgi-bin/tame/mediastreet/abo...
>
> Norm Levy has stated that it's manufactured under their own roof in
> Long Island.
> --http://www.mediastreet.com/realplayer.html
>
> Unless you have evidence to sugest they don't, I think i'll go with
> what they say about the subject thanks.
>
>
>>>What i've seen seems to sugest that they do, but i'm now aware of any
>>>references to this. I'm as sceptical as the next man but I know the
>>>canon OEM ink while reasonable in price is very much prone to faiding.
>
>
>>I have not had that problem.
>
>
> You must have no sunlight. I've seen worse, but i've seen much better.
> I'll do some testing once I actually run out of OEM ink.
>
hehehe...darkness is a problem for mesershit. He's not blind but he
cannot see.
Good info Zakezuke, thanks.
Frank
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 1:27:22 AM

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Anna Daptor wrote:

>"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
>news:BFFte.1421$Bx6.902@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>I do not think you will live long enough to see that.
>>
>>
>
>Don't count your chickens before they hatch......
>
>

Hey sweatheart, they have been hatched and already went to the Colonel.

>
>
>
>>Anna Daptor wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
>>>news:p hDte.1346$Bx6.1338@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will introduce
>>>>a new model.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Provided they don't go out of business beforehand.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
June 21, 2005 1:27:23 AM

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measekite wrote:


>>
>
> Hey sweatheart, they have been hatched and already went to the Colonel.
>

Yeah, along with what you had that passed for a brain.
Frank
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 1:29:46 AM

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Hi Ms Mouse.

Brendan R. Wehrung wrote:

>measekite (inkystinky@oem.com) writes:
>
>
>>I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will
>>introduce a new model.
>>
>>Mickey wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Wondering it Canon is about to release new models. Saw in Fry's ad
>>>today the IP4000 on sale for $80 and this is not referb's.
>>>
>>>Mickey
>>>
>>>
>
>
>Expected drivl from this "source".
>
>
>--
>
>
>
>
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 1:36:19 AM

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Brendan R. Wehrung wrote:

>"bmoag" (aemd@verizon.net) writes:
>
>
>>Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer. However
>>they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers use
>>the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same inks you
>>are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon tells
>>you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon
>

That is like moving from Hell to Heaven. Be sure to use Canon ink.

>as my next
>printer, and one of my criteria is "they offer the same carts for a long
>time." For instance, Lexmark uses the same black in both my 5700 (not that
>
>

We do hope they keep reformulating the ink to improve it.

>I use it any more) and Z52, but different color carts. OK, print quality
>improved so the replacement is valid. My Z65 has an entirely different
>(and smaller) set. It would have been nice to be able--and depend on
>being able to buy--the same black for all three. With Canon, having tanks
>instead of integral cartridges (and hoping that the seperate print heads
>will not be cut out while I am still using the printer) i'd consider it an
>advantage for the tank to usable over several product cycles. And find
>them on the shelves, not cut out because the store didn't want to stock
>older ink for discontinued models.
>
>Brendan
>
>--
>
>
>
>
June 21, 2005 1:36:20 AM

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measekite wrote:

> That is like moving from Hell to Heaven. Be sure to use Canon ink.

I haven't used original canon oem ink in my canon i9900 since I got it
last year. I have never had any problems at all. None. Not with color
rendition or reproduction or head clogging. Thus far I must have saved
at least 3-4 times the original cost of the printer.
Mesershit on the other hand has never used anything but canon oem ink
and hardly ever prints anything.
Thank heaven for guys like him as he is a good example of a those who
believe everything he hears from a bottom tier salesman and is willing
to pay top dollar for oem ink. It's guys like him that help keep the
cost of new printers down as it's the sale of oem ink that these
companies make their biggest dollar profits on.
Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do a lot
of printing.
Frank
June 21, 2005 2:01:30 AM

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Several of the Pixma printers use the same exact print heads as their
predecessors in the "I" series. Same ink cartridges as well. Except for the
one picoliter and the 8 color ink models there is little in the way of
actual printing technology that is new. My i960 is virtually silent. It
has a removable deck for 4x6 photo paper so that two paper feeds are
possible. The two paper feed feature is of little value to someone who uses
this printer as a dedicated photo printer. Likewise the Duplex printing
feature. For someone purchasing these printers for mixed printing use
these features my be of some value. For those of us who use them strictly
for photos and color graphics and have a laser printer for business or text
documents the extra features have little or no value.

"Dan G" <Dan@xxxx.com> wrote in message
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> I'm using the same bulk ink in 3 different Canon models. I'd call that an
> advantage.
>
> Aside from that, the PIXMA models are nothing like their predecessors.
> Many
> functions and features were added, not the least of which is 2 paper feeds
> and duplexing, silent operation, lower prices, etc, etc. Only someone who
> has not used either model line would make that statement.
>
>
> "Brendan R. Wehrung" <ck183@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
> news:D 97bl2$9jf$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
>>
>> "bmoag" (aemd@verizon.net) writes:
>> > Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer.
> However
>> > they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers
> use
>> > the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same
>> > inks
> you
>> > are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon
> tells
>> > you.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon as my next
>> printer, and one of my criteria is "they offer the same carts for a long
>> time." For instance, Lexmark uses the same black in both my 5700 (not
>> that
>> I use it any more) and Z52, but different color carts. OK, print quality
>> improved so the replacement is valid. My Z65 has an entirely different
>> (and smaller) set. It would have been nice to be able--and depend on
>> being able to buy--the same black for all three. With Canon, having
>> tanks
>> instead of integral cartridges (and hoping that the seperate print heads
>> will not be cut out while I am still using the printer) i'd consider it
>> an
>> advantage for the tank to usable over several product cycles. And find
>> them on the shelves, not cut out because the store didn't want to stock
>> older ink for discontinued models.
>>
>> Brendan
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
June 21, 2005 3:59:00 AM

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> Book 1 Verse 69 AMEN

Book one, Genesis, only has 31 verses. Goes something like this, "And
God saw every thing that he had made, and yey, it was good". Genesis
1:30

Might I reccomend Luke 16:1-15 Parable of the dishonest steward?
It talks about no man can have two masters, and trading wheat for 8000
gallons of olive oil (don't ask). If you must use so many Amens in a
single post you might actually take the time to quote something that is
applicable to the printing industry.

And after that please shoot me for remembering this.
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 4:30:35 AM

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Burt wrote:

>Several of the Pixma printers use the same exact print heads as their
>predecessors in the "I" series. Same ink cartridges as well. Except for the
>one picoliter and the 8 color ink models there is little in the way of
>actual printing technology that is new. My i960 is virtually silent.
>

Too bad you are not.

>It
>has a removable deck for 4x6 photo paper so that two paper feeds are
>possible. The two paper feed feature is of little value to someone who uses
>this printer as a dedicated photo printer.
>

No it isn't. You can put different sizes in each source.

>Likewise the Duplex printing
>feature. For someone purchasing these printers for mixed printing use
>these features my be of some value. For those of us who use them strictly
>for photos and color graphics and have a laser printer for business or text
>documents the extra features have little or no value.
>
>

Most people do not have more than one printer. It is necessary, at
times, to print letters, maps, business documents, and various graphics
so I would say you are at the very least different from most people.

>"Dan G" <Dan@xxxx.com> wrote in message
>news:V8SdnS8dCa-_pCrfRVn-1Q@comcast.com...
>
>
>>I'm using the same bulk ink in 3 different Canon models. I'd call that an
>>advantage.
>>
>>Aside from that, the PIXMA models are nothing like their predecessors.
>>Many
>>functions and features were added, not the least of which is 2 paper feeds
>>and duplexing, silent operation, lower prices, etc, etc. Only someone who
>>has not used either model line would make that statement.
>>
>>
>>"Brendan R. Wehrung" <ck183@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
>>news:D 97bl2$9jf$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
>>
>>
>>>"bmoag" (aemd@verizon.net) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>However
>>
>>
>>>>they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers
>>>>
>>>>
>>use
>>
>>
>>>>the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same
>>>>inks
>>>>
>>>>
>>you
>>
>>
>>>>are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon
>>>>
>>>>
>>tells
>>
>>
>>>>you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon as my next
>>>printer, and one of my criteria is "they offer the same carts for a long
>>>time." For instance, Lexmark uses the same black in both my 5700 (not
>>>that
>>>I use it any more) and Z52, but different color carts. OK, print quality
>>>improved so the replacement is valid. My Z65 has an entirely different
>>>(and smaller) set. It would have been nice to be able--and depend on
>>>being able to buy--the same black for all three. With Canon, having
>>>tanks
>>>instead of integral cartridges (and hoping that the seperate print heads
>>>will not be cut out while I am still using the printer) i'd consider it
>>>an
>>>advantage for the tank to usable over several product cycles. And find
>>>them on the shelves, not cut out because the store didn't want to stock
>>>older ink for discontinued models.
>>>
>>>Brendan
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 4:33:33 AM

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"Brendan R. Wehrung" <ck183@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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> Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon as my
next
> printer,

Which Canon would you like to purchase? and why please.

Regards,
Emrys Davies.
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 4:37:30 AM

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Frank wrote:

> measekite wrote:
>
>> That is like moving from Hell to Heaven. Be sure to use Canon ink.
>
>
> I haven't used original canon oem ink in my canon i9900 since I got it
> last year. I have never had any problems at all. None. During the
> year I printed 5 4x6 pictures. Not with color rendition or
> reproduction or head clogging. Thus far I must have saved at least
> .003-.004 times the original cost of the printer.
>
> Thank heaven for guys like him as he is a good example of a those who
> believe everything he hears from a bottom tier person like me and is
> willing to pay top dollar for oem ink. It's guys like him that help
> keep the cost of new printers down as it's the sale of oem ink that
> these companies make their biggest dollar profits on.
> Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
> You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do a
> lot of printing.
> Frank


If you want to buy a NONAME UNBRANDED potential printhead clogging
garbage. It there is an aftermarket mfg/formulator that is ok to use it
is almost impossible to find them.
June 21, 2005 4:37:31 AM

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measekite wrote:

>
>
> If you want to buy a NONAME UNBRANDED potential printhead clogging
> garbage. It there is an aftermarket mfg/formulator that is ok to use it
> is almost impossible to find them.

Well I guess it's near impossible for an idiot like mesershit to find
any aftermarket ink.
Hell...he couldn't find his own ass even if allowed to use both hands.
Looser.
Frank
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 4:38:44 AM

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zakezuke wrote:

>> Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
>>You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do a lot
>>of printing.
>>
>>
>
>I've been meaning to ask, as it seems to be the norm here to take
>anyone's topic and transform it into a debate on OEM vs Aftermarket
>suppliers.
>
>Does Media Street actually formulate and manufacturer their own ink?
>
>

NO And they will not tell you what BRAND of ink they sell.

>What i've seen seems to sugest that they do, but i'm now aware of any
>references to this. I'm as sceptical as the next man but I know the
>canon OEM ink while reasonable in price is very much prone to faiding.
>
>

I have not had that problem.
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 4:39:00 AM

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In article <ejJte.545$N22.154@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
inkystinky@oem.com says...

> If you want to buy a NONAME UNBRANDED potential printhead clogging
> garbage. It there is an aftermarket mfg/formulator that is ok to use it
> is almost impossible to find them.
>
It was pretty easy to identify a couple of pretty good prospects for ink
vendors, based on info from actual users (not just opinion holders) in
this ng.
I'm sure there are some bad inks out there, I strongly suspect (but do
not know from experience) that the universal ink refill kits will give
poor results. The TruColor Imaging ink I got from alotofthings.com works
perfectly in my i960, and is costing me about 50 cents per refill. I've
refilled 12 cartridges in 6 months, so vs. $11 for Canon cartridges,
I've already paid for my next printer, with 6 months left on the
warranty, and no signs of any problems. Refilling the Canon cartridges
is a no-brainer, and very little time and trouble involved.

Oh yeah, on the actual subject of this thread, the heads & print
cartridges for the Pixma series are the same as most of the previous i
series, with only mechanical paper feed differences, so this ink should
give the same results in the current line.
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 4:40:21 AM

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In article <okJte.546$N22.350@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
inkystinky@oem.com says...
>
>
> zakezuke wrote:
>
> >> Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
> >>You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do a lot
> >>of printing.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I've been meaning to ask, as it seems to be the norm here to take
> >anyone's topic and transform it into a debate on OEM vs Aftermarket
> >suppliers.
> >
> >Does Media Street actually formulate and manufacturer their own ink?
> >
> >
>
> NO And they will not tell you what BRAND of ink they sell.


But, of course, neither will Canon!
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 4:42:50 AM

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Frank wrote:

> zakezuke wrote:
>
>>> Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
>>> You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do a
>>> lot
>>> of printing.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've been meaning to ask, as it seems to be the norm here to take
>> anyone's topic and transform it into a debate on OEM vs Aftermarket
>> suppliers.
>>
>> Does Media Street actually formulate and manufacturer their own ink?
>> What i've seen seems to sugest that they do, but i'm now aware of any
>> references to this. I'm as sceptical as the next man but I know the
>> canon OEM ink while reasonable in price is very much prone to faiding.
>>
>
> Obviously they have a vested interest in the formulation of their oem
> replacement inks. I don't really know but I seriously doubt they
> actually manufacture their own ink. Most ink suppliers, even oem's,
> use overseas contract ink manufacturers who work closely with them on
> formulation tailored to their requested results to develop specific
> inks for them.
> Media Street appears to be doing this.

As if this jerk knows

> Unless you're an ink formulation specialists or ink chemists knowing
> who (which Chinese factory) formulates the ink your using is basically
> useless information.


If ink was branded it would be easier to sort out the good from the
bad. ie Frankie Crankie is a brand and it is easy to know he is a
shmuck with ears.

> All dye based inks fade more rapidly than do pigment based inks as I'm
> sure you already know.
> As for "reasonably priced" you need to define "reasonable". Canon oem
> carts cost about $11.95usd

$9.00 at Costco

> for my i9900. 3rd carts unbranded generic cost as little as $3.95usd.
> You do the math, because I certanly can't, if that's reasonable for
> you to pay for oem's then so be it.
> For more information about Media Street suggest you call or email them.
> Frank


Yeh, they are really informative. If they mfg ink then I am sure they
would like to market it to all of the resellers they could and not
compete with them.
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 4:44:14 AM

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In article <wnJte.10700$iG5.353@fed1read05>, fb@nospam.com says...
> measekite wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > If you want to buy a NONAME UNBRANDED potential printhead clogging
> > garbage. It there is an aftermarket mfg/formulator that is ok to use it
> > is almost impossible to find them.
>
> Well I guess it's near impossible for an idiot like mesershit to find
> any aftermarket ink.
> Hell...he couldn't find his own ass even if allowed to use both hands.
> Looser.
> Frank
>
Measly claims he can find his ass with either hand (most times), and
since he has *actual* experience doing this (unlike cartridge refilling)
we should believe him.
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 4:47:11 AM

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Frank wrote:

> measekite wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> If you want to buy a NONAME UNBRANDED potential printhead clogging
>> garbage. It there is an aftermarket mfg/formulator that is ok to use
>> it is almost impossible to find them.
>
>
> Well I guess it's near impossible for an idiot like me to find any
> aftermarket ink.
> Hell...I couldn't find his own ass even if allowed to use both hands.
> Looser. Frank


You are wrong. I know you could find you own ass with either hand. You
will probably think it is finger lickin good. :-D
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 4:56:55 AM

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In article <PhDte.1346$Bx6.1338@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
inkystinky@oem.com says...
> I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will
> introduce a new model.

Measly, you are a real fount of information ... we are lucky to have
access to your insights in this ng. But ... you don't really know that
for a FACT, you just ASSume it to be very likely.
June 21, 2005 6:43:36 AM

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Zake - Take a look at Measekite's posts. He always tells people that the
only way to go is with OEM inks. The intent is twofold - one is his
pathologic vendetta against vendors and their products, and the other is to
provoke our response. I have no interest in promoting the aftermarket
products. I respond to his posts to let people know that there are
aftermarket inks that work just as well. If he were not so adamant and so
relentless about this issue you would only see me responding to people who
ask specifically about aftermarket inks. I just hate to see him spew his
misinformation.

I personally had problems with color match trying to refill an Epson stylus
900. I was as fearful as anyone about not using OEM inks. What convinced
me was the fact the my Epson printer clogged after using OEM inks
exclusively. It was just a product of years of use and some periods of
disuse. I requested the Epson print head cleaning manual from Arthur
Entlich and followed his directions. The printer was returned to its
original printing capabilities. At this point I wasn't afraid of head clogs
any longer and started to read up on various printers, inks, and
maintenance. I stumbled onto Neil Slade's site and was encouraged to buy
the Canon i960 and refill cartridges. I figured that 1) head clogs are
almost never fatal, 2) Slade's site told how to correct them, and 3) the
first refill kit I purchased would save so much over OEM ink for the Epson
that I could buy two printers for the savings! It all worked out as
expected and I couldn't be happier with that decision. I am not interested
in proselytizing - I just want people to know my experience and not be
fearful.

I am, frankly, not happy to have to continually counter Measekite's rant,
but I would be less happy about people believing it and being disuaded from
trying these products if they wished to. I always suggest reading Slade's
info and also going onto the Nifty forum for some self education. Even if
people continue to use OEM ink only it is a good idea to know what problems
can occur and how to deal with them. OEM inks can clog also.


"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1119306865.963229.111600@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
>> You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do a lot
>> of printing.
>
> I've been meaning to ask, as it seems to be the norm here to take
> anyone's topic and transform it into a debate on OEM vs Aftermarket
> suppliers.
>
> Does Media Street actually formulate and manufacturer their own ink?
> What i've seen seems to sugest that they do, but i'm now aware of any
> references to this. I'm as sceptical as the next man but I know the
> canon OEM ink while reasonable in price is very much prone to faiding.
>
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 9:05:41 AM

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"Dan G" (Dan@xxxx.com) writes:
> I'm using the same bulk ink in 3 different Canon models. I'd call that an
> advantage.
>
> Aside from that, the PIXMA models are nothing like their predecessors. Many
> functions and features were added, not the least of which is 2 paper feeds
> and duplexing, silent operation, lower prices, etc, etc. Only someone who
> has not used either model line would make that statement.
>

I haven't, but I'm referring specifically to having the same tank or cart
work in a succession of printers, lessening the chance that you won't be
able to buy same 5 years from now because it only fit one now-discontinued
model. The bigger the user base, the longer stores will stock something.

Brendan

>
> "Brendan R. Wehrung" <ck183@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
> news:D 97bl2$9jf$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
>>
>> "bmoag" (aemd@verizon.net) writes:
>> > Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer.
> However
>> > they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers
> use
>> > the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same inks
> you
>> > are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon
> tells
>> > you.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon as my next
>> printer, and one of my criteria is "they offer the same carts for a long
>> time." For instance, Lexmark uses the same black in both my 5700 (not that
>> I use it any more) and Z52, but different color carts. OK, print quality
>> improved so the replacement is valid. My Z65 has an entirely different
>> (and smaller) set. It would have been nice to be able--and depend on
>> being able to buy--the same black for all three. With Canon, having tanks
>> instead of integral cartridges (and hoping that the seperate print heads
>> will not be cut out while I am still using the printer) i'd consider it an
>> advantage for the tank to usable over several product cycles. And find
>> them on the shelves, not cut out because the store didn't want to stock
>> older ink for discontinued models.
>>
>> Brendan
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>


--
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 9:15:00 AM

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"Emrys Davies" (me@privacy.net) writes:
> "Brendan R. Wehrung" <ck183@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
> news:D 97bl2$9jf$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
>
>> Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon as my
> next
>> printer,
>
> Which Canon would you like to purchase? and why please.
>
> Regards,
> Emrys Davies.
>
>


I'm relying on this group for direction. It probably won't be until next
year, by which time Canon could have gone through two product cycles. I
like having one with two full-size paper feeds (I keep card stock in one
for making CD and DVD covers) and of coure it has to be able to handle
card stock (which my Lexmark does because it has a straight feed path).
I've generally paid about $100 for a printer on sale, usually about the
time it about to be replaced and they offer the best deals. Canon seems
to be approaching such a point. Ease of use and ink cost (what everybody
has against Lexmark) as well as quality and long-term durability are my
criteria. That's what I look for on this group, gripes about things that
don't work right, choosing a line that doens't have many. I'd never buy
an Epson for that reason, despite nice prints.

Brendan
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June 21, 2005 11:26:53 AM

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And on the seventh day God rested; He rested fitfully wondering if He had
forgotten anything.
Suddenly He realised that He had not provided enough humour for mankind.
So He created Measekite so that all men and women could laugh at someone who
was less gifted than them.
Then God said to all mankind, enjoy your laughter but remember that Measekite
does not know that he is less gifted, he believes he knows much and he is to be
pitied.
And God rested, knowing He had done well and mankind could invent printers that
would confound Measekite and give mankind something of real value to enjoy.
And mankind said to God, you are right, he is to be pitied, but we are going to
laugh at him anyway!
And God smiled :) 

"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Book 1 Verse 69 AMEN
>
>Book one, Genesis, only has 31 verses. Goes something like this, "And
>God saw every thing that he had made, and yey, it was good". Genesis
>1:30
>
>Might I reccomend Luke 16:1-15 Parable of the dishonest steward?
>It talks about no man can have two masters, and trading wheat for 8000
>gallons of olive oil (don't ask). If you must use so many Amens in a
>single post you might actually take the time to quote something that is
>applicable to the printing industry.
>
>And after that please shoot me for remembering this.
June 21, 2005 5:42:43 PM

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> That is interesting since my friend who purchsed an R300 (his 3rd since
> the CD mech gave him trouble on the first

I don't doubt it, but I must question why he purchased three. The do
have a 1 year warranty and the print hasn't been out all that long.
Epson had bad trays, call them for a free one, esp if you are switching
to Canon.

> 2) and uses it mostly for CD printing and some photos said, after
> seeing my Canon IP4000 photo results that he deemed better

I also have a friend who said the same thing about the ip3000. He saw
the last output of my Epson and the first output of the canon. Same
file, same software. His first choice was actually the ip3000 because,
as he said "it looked blacker". To me it looked more purple but hey.
He has had a Canon longer than I, I believe the i860. He didn't take
time to noice the 3point text which was wasn't ledgeable from the
Canon. The CDs them selves he picked the Epson, the one that didn't
have a clog drop.

I also showed him two other DVDs, in a slightly less fair contest, that
had been sitting on western window sill. His responce was "wow that's
awful, what did you use to print that". It was the Canon, same thing
he was holding in his hand, direct sunlight 2 weeks. The blacks faided
to charcoal grey, reds faided to pink, cyan to pastel, faces totally
blanked out like someone erased them. The Epson output, which in all
fairness wasn't the same output, faided a tiny bit. The paper was that
Epson Costco 125 pack that they don't sell anymore.

So while we would disagree about the inital output, we could obviously
agree about faiding.

Needless to say I prefered the Epson's output. While technicaly a
higher drop size it more than makes up for it with the light inks which
serve to smooth out colors like sky. I esp liked the super-microweave
while taking an age to print really gives the quality a huge edge over
the Canon. The fact that I never had to mess with the saturation to
take into account saturation was a huge bonus.
June 21, 2005 6:58:24 PM

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LOL at that one. Most companies have five year plans not ten. Their
machines would have grown whiskers in ten years. Stay off the plonk, it's
affecting that brain cell.

"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
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> I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will
> introduce a new model.
>
> Mickey wrote:
>
> > Wondering it Canon is about to release new models. Saw in Fry's ad
> > today the IP4000 on sale for $80 and this is not referb's.
> >
> > Mickey
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 9:10:04 PM

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zakezuke wrote:

>>Book 1 Verse 69 AMEN
>>
>>
>
>Book one, Genesis, only has 31 verses. Goes something like this, "And
>God saw every thing that he had made, and yey, it was good".
>

Except for Frankie Crankie and Burtie Furtie

>Genesis
>1:30
>
>Might I reccomend Luke 16:1-15 Parable of the dishonest steward?
>
>

Is that Cool Hand Luke?

>It talks about no man can have two masters, and trading wheat for 8000
>gallons of olive oil (don't ask). If you must use so many Amens in a
>single post you might actually take the time to quote something that is
>applicable to the printing industry.
>
>And after that please shoot me for remembering this.
>
>
>
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 9:12:27 PM

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Tony wrote:

>And on the seventh day God rested; He rested fitfully wondering if He had
>forgotten anything.
>Suddenly He realised that He had not provided enough humour for mankind.
>So He created Tony da Tiger so that all men and women could laugh at someone who
>was less gifted than them.
>Then God said to all mankind, enjoy your laughter but remember that Frankie Crankie
>does not know that he is less gifted, he believes he knows much and he is to be
>pitied.
>And God rested, knowing He had done well and mankind could invent printers that
>would confound Burtie Furtie and give mankind something of real value to enjoy.
>And mankind said to God, you are right, he is to be pitied, but we are going to
>laugh at him anyway!
>And God smiled :) 
>
>

The real moral of the story is THERE IS NO GOD.

>"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Book 1 Verse 69 AMEN
>>>
>>>
>>Book one, Genesis, only has 31 verses. Goes something like this, "And
>>God saw every thing that he had made, and yey, it was good". Genesis
>>1:30
>>
>>Might I reccomend Luke 16:1-15 Parable of the dishonest steward?
>>It talks about no man can have two masters, and trading wheat for 8000
>>gallons of olive oil (don't ask). If you must use so many Amens in a
>>single post you might actually take the time to quote something that is
>>applicable to the printing industry.
>>
>>And after that please shoot me for remembering this.
>>
>>
>
>
>
June 21, 2005 9:12:28 PM

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measekite wrote:

>
> The real moral of the story is THERE IS NO GOD.

Maybe not in your pathetic, meaningless life there is no G_D.
But then again, maybe that's why you have such a pathetic, meanlingless
life.
Frank
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 9:15:28 PM

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Irwin Peckinloomer wrote:

>In article <ejJte.545$N22.154@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
>inkystinky@oem.com says...
>
>
>
>>If you want to buy a NONAME UNBRANDED potential printhead clogging
>>garbage. It there is an aftermarket mfg/formulator that is ok to use it
>>is almost impossible to find them.
>>
>>
>>
>It was pretty easy to identify a couple of pretty good prospects for ink
>vendors, based on info from actual users (not just opinion holders) in
>this ng.
>
>

Hey PeckerBloomer - We are not talking about vendors we are talking
about mfg/formulators.

>I'm sure there are some bad inks out there,
>

Most of them.

>I strongly suspect (but do
>not know from experience) that the universal ink refill kits will give
>poor results. The TruColor Imaging ink I got from alotofthings.com works
>perfectly in my i960, and is costing me about 50 cents per refill.
>

That is not a BRAND and the jerks will not tell you who is the
mfg/formulator.

>I've
>refilled 12 cartridges in 6 months, so vs. $11 for Canon cartridges,
>I've already paid for my next printer, with 6 months left on the
>warranty, and no signs of any problems. Refilling the Canon cartridges
>is a no-brainer, as I do not have any and very little time and trouble involved.
>
>Oh yeah, on the actual subject of this thread, the heads & print
>cartridges for the Pixma series are the same as most of the previous i
>series, with only mechanical paper feed differences, so this ink should
>give the same results in the current line.
>
>
The driver is also different and that controls the end result quality.
June 21, 2005 9:15:29 PM

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measekite wrote:


>
>> I'm sure there are some bad inks out there,
>
>
> Most of them.


Bullshit!


> That is not a BRAND and the jerks will not tell you who is the
> mfg/formulator.

More bullshit!


The driver is also different and that controls the end result quality.

Not really as the mechanical limitations of the printer are the untimate
deciding factors determining print quality.
Frank
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 9:16:12 PM

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Irwin Peckinloomer wrote:

>In article <okJte.546$N22.350@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
>inkystinky@oem.com says...
>
>
>>zakezuke wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
>>>>You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do a lot
>>>>of printing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I've been meaning to ask, as it seems to be the norm here to take
>>>anyone's topic and transform it into a debate on OEM vs Aftermarket
>>>suppliers.
>>>
>>>Does Media Street actually formulate and manufacturer their own ink?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>NO And they will not tell you what BRAND of ink they sell.
>>
>>
>
>
>But, of course, neither will Canon!
>
>

Canon is the source dummy.
June 21, 2005 9:16:13 PM

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measekite wrote:

>
>
> Irwin Peckinloomer wrote:
>
>> In article <okJte.546$N22.350@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
>> inkystinky@oem.com says...
>>
>>
>>> zakezuke wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
>>>>> You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do
>>>>> a lot
>>>>> of printing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've been meaning to ask, as it seems to be the norm here to take
>>>> anyone's topic and transform it into a debate on OEM vs Aftermarket
>>>> suppliers.
>>>>
>>>> Does Media Street actually formulate and manufacturer their own ink?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> NO And they will not tell you what BRAND of ink they sell.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> But, of course, neither will Canon!
>>
>>
>
> Canon is the source dummy.

Doubtful dummy!
Frank
June 21, 2005 9:48:08 PM

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> Canon never recommends that prints need a tan to look good.
> I have not experienced any fading since I place my Canon IP4000 into
> service.

You must have no windows, you must not store your prints anywhere that
would have natural light. I live in Washington where cloud cover is
the norm. They do fade very quickly under real world condtions like a
framed image on a coffee table.

> I amsure that there are types of prints and contents where 6 color would
>be an advantage while other types of content would not pose any visible
>advantage.

Like skin tones, sky, shadows for that matter, or anything generally
associated with photo printing. I like the ip3000 and ip4000 as much
as the next person. I think they are great. But they don't offer the
light inks, they don't offer super microweave printing, and printing
photos requires more adjustment to look natural.
http://www.tomshardware.com/consumer/20041229/images/mi...


http://www.tomshardware.com/consumer/20041025/images/r3...
http://www.tomshardware.com/consumer/20041025/images/ip...

These are the best examples I can find. I find the ip4000 to have
unrealistic contrast like you would find in a flash photo, where the
r300 image even though it's using a 3pl drop size blends light and dark
much better which you can clearly see in the face and the sky.

While Toms hardware isn't the final authority on printing, their test
methods are very methotical.

Also see the following
http://www.tomshardware.com/consumer/20041229/images/r8...
http://www.tomshardware.com/consumer/20041229/images/ip...

Both are great general purpose printers and photo printing is very
decent. But the OEM ink isn't lightfast at all even in contrast to the
Epson r200 which doesn't even use Dura or UltraChrome pigmented inks.
Anonymous
June 21, 2005 9:56:56 PM

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Actually the price at Costco right now is about $10.33 per cartridge,
Not $9.00
!