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Wondering it Canon is about to release new models. Saw in Fry's ad
today the IP4000 on sale for $80 and this is not referb's.

Mickey

 

[frank]

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Mickey wrote:

> Wondering it Canon is about to release new models. Saw in Fry's ad
> today the IP4000 on sale for $80 and this is not referb's.
>
> Mickey

Yes and very soon.
Frank

 

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Mickey wrote:
> Wondering it Canon is about to release new models. Saw in Fry's ad
> today the IP4000 on sale for $80 and this is not referb's.
>
> Mickey


They're definitely coming when you see rapid price drops.

That $80 printer is $100 Canadian dollars.

Although I haven't seen it at that price here, it would mean a set of
Canon cartridges bought at Wal-Mart or Radio Shack in Canada would cost
you more than the printer. Bought at Costco Canada that would be about
$85 in cartridges - but you have to buy 15 cartridges (five 3-packs) to
get that price.

-Taliesyn

 

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I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will
introduce a new model.

Mickey wrote:

> Wondering it Canon is about to release new models. Saw in Fry's ad
> today the IP4000 on sale for $80 and this is not referb's.
>
> Mickey

 

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Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer. However
they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers use
the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same inks you
are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon tells
you.

 

[zakezuke]

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> Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
> You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do a lot
> of printing.

I've been meaning to ask, as it seems to be the norm here to take
anyone's topic and transform it into a debate on OEM vs Aftermarket
suppliers.

Does Media Street actually formulate and manufacturer their own ink?
What i've seen seems to sugest that they do, but i'm now aware of any
references to this. I'm as sceptical as the next man but I know the
canon OEM ink while reasonable in price is very much prone to faiding.

 

[zakezuke]

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> With Canon, having tanks instead of integral cartridges (and hoping that the seperate
> print heads will not be cut out while I am still using the printer)

Most people by that point would just replace the printer, and chances
are this would be at least a year or more down the line where you have
already saved enough to justify the expense and declare victory. If
you are worried about it you can always pickup a spare. Let's say
after the 10th refill. That would add between $1.66 $2.50/ink tank and
chances are you'll not even need it till beyond your 20th refill but
even on the off chance you do you still can declare victory I don't
know a single canon owner that has had to replace their head, and these
numbers I just pulled out of the air and have little basis in reality.
I could use canon's numbers and actually estimate how many replacement
tanks they mean when they say 18,000 copies but i'm lazy.

 

[frank]

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zakezuke wrote:
>> Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
>>You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do a lot
>>of printing.
>
>
> I've been meaning to ask, as it seems to be the norm here to take
> anyone's topic and transform it into a debate on OEM vs Aftermarket
> suppliers.
>
> Does Media Street actually formulate and manufacturer their own ink?
> What i've seen seems to sugest that they do, but i'm now aware of any
> references to this. I'm as sceptical as the next man but I know the
> canon OEM ink while reasonable in price is very much prone to faiding.
>

Obviously they have a vested interest in the formulation of their oem
replacement inks. I don't really know but I seriously doubt they
actually manufacture their own ink. Most ink suppliers, even oem's, use
overseas contract ink manufacturers who work closely with them on
formulation tailored to their requested results to develop specific inks
for them.
Media Street appears to be doing this. Unless you're an ink formulation
specialists or ink chemists knowing who (which Chinese factory)
formulates the ink your using is basically useless information.
All dye based inks fade more rapidly than do pigment based inks as I'm
sure you already know.
As for "reasonably priced" you need to define "reasonable". Canon oem
carts cost about $11.95usd for my i9900. 3rd carts cost as little as
$3.95usd.
You do the math, if that's reasonable for you to pay for oem's then so
be it.
For more information about Media Street suggest you call or email them.
Frank

 

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bmoag wrote:

>Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer. However
>they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers use
>the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same inks you
>are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon tells
>you.
>
>

Canon does not have to tell you that"

You have twin paper feeds

You can print duplex

The drivers that control the results has been enhanced

It is faster.

>
>
>

 

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"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
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>I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will introduce a
>new model.

Provided they don't go out of business beforehand.

 

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I do not think you will live long enough to see that.

Anna Daptor wrote:

>"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
>newshDte.1346$Bx6.1338@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will introduce a
>>new model.
>>
>>
>
>Provided they don't go out of business beforehand.
>
>
>
>

 

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"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
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>I do not think you will live long enough to see that.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch......


> Anna Daptor wrote:
>
>>"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
>>newshDte.1346$Bx6.1338@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>>I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will introduce
>>>a new model.
>>>
>>
>>Provided they don't go out of business beforehand.
>>
>>

 

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measekite (inkystinky@oem.com) writes:
> I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will
> introduce a new model.
>
> Mickey wrote:
>
>> Wondering it Canon is about to release new models. Saw in Fry's ad
>> today the IP4000 on sale for $80 and this is not referb's.
>>
>> Mickey


Expected drivl from this "source".


--

 

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"bmoag" (aemd@verizon.net) writes:
> Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer. However
> they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers use
> the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same inks you
> are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon tells
> you.
>
>


Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon as my next
printer, and one of my criteria is "they offer the same carts for a long
time." For instance, Lexmark uses the same black in both my 5700 (not that
I use it any more) and Z52, but different color carts. OK, print quality
improved so the replacement is valid. My Z65 has an entirely different
(and smaller) set. It would have been nice to be able--and depend on
being able to buy--the same black for all three. With Canon, having tanks
instead of integral cartridges (and hoping that the seperate print heads
will not be cut out while I am still using the printer) i'd consider it an
advantage for the tank to usable over several product cycles. And find
them on the shelves, not cut out because the store didn't want to stock
older ink for discontinued models.

Brendan

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I'm using the same bulk ink in 3 different Canon models. I'd call that an
advantage.

Aside from that, the PIXMA models are nothing like their predecessors. Many
functions and features were added, not the least of which is 2 paper feeds
and duplexing, silent operation, lower prices, etc, etc. Only someone who
has not used either model line would make that statement.


"Brendan R. Wehrung" <ck183@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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>
> "bmoag" (aemd@verizon.net) writes:
> > Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer.
However
> > they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers
use
> > the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same inks
you
> > are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon
tells
> > you.
> >
> >
>
>
> Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon as my next
> printer, and one of my criteria is "they offer the same carts for a long
> time." For instance, Lexmark uses the same black in both my 5700 (not that
> I use it any more) and Z52, but different color carts. OK, print quality
> improved so the replacement is valid. My Z65 has an entirely different
> (and smaller) set. It would have been nice to be able--and depend on
> being able to buy--the same black for all three. With Canon, having tanks
> instead of integral cartridges (and hoping that the seperate print heads
> will not be cut out while I am still using the printer) i'd consider it an
> advantage for the tank to usable over several product cycles. And find
> them on the shelves, not cut out because the store didn't want to stock
> older ink for discontinued models.
>
> Brendan
>
> --
>
>

 

[zakezuke]

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> NO And they will not tell you what BRAND of ink they sell.

"Media Street has its own ink development lab and manufacturing
facility strategically located adjacent to its own paper converting
facility. Also on premesis is an Atlas Suntest FadeOmeter XLS Machine
to allow for internal lightstability testing. Norm Levy is an active
member of the ISO Working Group 5- Task Group 3 Committee: Methods for
Measuring the Stability of Color Pictoral Images."
--http://www.mediastreet.com/cgi-bin/tame/mediastreet/about_us.tam

Norm Levy has stated that it's manufactured under their own roof in
Long Island.
--http://www.mediastreet.com/realplayer.html

Unless you have evidence to sugest they don't, I think i'll go with
what they say about the subject thanks.

> >What i've seen seems to sugest that they do, but i'm now aware of any
> >references to this. I'm as sceptical as the next man but I know the
> >canon OEM ink while reasonable in price is very much prone to faiding.

> I have not had that problem.

You must have no sunlight. I've seen worse, but i've seen much better.
I'll do some testing once I actually run out of OEM ink.

 

[frank]

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zakezuke wrote:

>>NO And they will not tell you what BRAND of ink they sell.
>
>
> "Media Street has its own ink development lab and manufacturing
> facility strategically located adjacent to its own paper converting
> facility. Also on premesis is an Atlas Suntest FadeOmeter XLS Machine
> to allow for internal lightstability testing. Norm Levy is an active
> member of the ISO Working Group 5- Task Group 3 Committee: Methods for
> Measuring the Stability of Color Pictoral Images."
> --http://www.mediastreet.com/cgi-bin/tame/mediastreet/about_us.tam
>
> Norm Levy has stated that it's manufactured under their own roof in
> Long Island.
> --http://www.mediastreet.com/realplayer.html
>
> Unless you have evidence to sugest they don't, I think i'll go with
> what they say about the subject thanks.
>
>
>>>What i've seen seems to sugest that they do, but i'm now aware of any
>>>references to this. I'm as sceptical as the next man but I know the
>>>canon OEM ink while reasonable in price is very much prone to faiding.
>
>
>>I have not had that problem.
>
>
> You must have no sunlight. I've seen worse, but i've seen much better.
> I'll do some testing once I actually run out of OEM ink.
>
hehehe...darkness is a problem for mesershit. He's not blind but he
cannot see.
Good info Zakezuke, thanks.
Frank

 

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Anna Daptor wrote:

>"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
>news:BFFte.1421$Bx6.902@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>I do not think you will live long enough to see that.
>>
>>
>
>Don't count your chickens before they hatch......
>
>

Hey sweatheart, they have been hatched and already went to the Colonel.

>
>
>
>>Anna Daptor wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
>>>newshDte.1346$Bx6.1338@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will introduce
>>>>a new model.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Provided they don't go out of business beforehand.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>

 

[frank]

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measekite wrote:


>>
>
> Hey sweatheart, they have been hatched and already went to the Colonel.
>

Yeah, along with what you had that passed for a brain.
Frank

 

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Hi Ms Mouse.

Brendan R. Wehrung wrote:

>measekite (inkystinky@oem.com) writes:
>
>
>>I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will
>>introduce a new model.
>>
>>Mickey wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Wondering it Canon is about to release new models. Saw in Fry's ad
>>>today the IP4000 on sale for $80 and this is not referb's.
>>>
>>>Mickey
>>>
>>>
>
>
>Expected drivl from this "source".
>
>
>--
>
>
>
>

 

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Brendan R. Wehrung wrote:

>"bmoag" (aemd@verizon.net) writes:
>
>
>>Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer. However
>>they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers use
>>the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same inks you
>>are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon tells
>>you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon
>

That is like moving from Hell to Heaven. Be sure to use Canon ink.

>as my next
>printer, and one of my criteria is "they offer the same carts for a long
>time." For instance, Lexmark uses the same black in both my 5700 (not that
>
>

We do hope they keep reformulating the ink to improve it.

>I use it any more) and Z52, but different color carts. OK, print quality
>improved so the replacement is valid. My Z65 has an entirely different
>(and smaller) set. It would have been nice to be able--and depend on
>being able to buy--the same black for all three. With Canon, having tanks
>instead of integral cartridges (and hoping that the seperate print heads
>will not be cut out while I am still using the printer) i'd consider it an
>advantage for the tank to usable over several product cycles. And find
>them on the shelves, not cut out because the store didn't want to stock
>older ink for discontinued models.
>
>Brendan
>
>--
>
>
>
>

 

[frank]

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measekite wrote:

> That is like moving from Hell to Heaven. Be sure to use Canon ink.

I haven't used original canon oem ink in my canon i9900 since I got it
last year. I have never had any problems at all. None. Not with color
rendition or reproduction or head clogging. Thus far I must have saved
at least 3-4 times the original cost of the printer.
Mesershit on the other hand has never used anything but canon oem ink
and hardly ever prints anything.
Thank heaven for guys like him as he is a good example of a those who
believe everything he hears from a bottom tier salesman and is willing
to pay top dollar for oem ink. It's guys like him that help keep the
cost of new printers down as it's the sale of oem ink that these
companies make their biggest dollar profits on.
Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do a lot
of printing.
Frank

 

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Several of the Pixma printers use the same exact print heads as their
predecessors in the "I" series. Same ink cartridges as well. Except for the
one picoliter and the 8 color ink models there is little in the way of
actual printing technology that is new. My i960 is virtually silent. It
has a removable deck for 4x6 photo paper so that two paper feeds are
possible. The two paper feed feature is of little value to someone who uses
this printer as a dedicated photo printer. Likewise the Duplex printing
feature. For someone purchasing these printers for mixed printing use
these features my be of some value. For those of us who use them strictly
for photos and color graphics and have a laser printer for business or text
documents the extra features have little or no value.

"Dan G" <Dan@xxxx.com> wrote in message
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> I'm using the same bulk ink in 3 different Canon models. I'd call that an
> advantage.
>
> Aside from that, the PIXMA models are nothing like their predecessors.
> Many
> functions and features were added, not the least of which is 2 paper feeds
> and duplexing, silent operation, lower prices, etc, etc. Only someone who
> has not used either model line would make that statement.
>
>
> "Brendan R. Wehrung" <ck183@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
> news:d97bl2$9jf$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
>>
>> "bmoag" (aemd@verizon.net) writes:
>> > Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer.
> However
>> > they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers
> use
>> > the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same
>> > inks
> you
>> > are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon
> tells
>> > you.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon as my next
>> printer, and one of my criteria is "they offer the same carts for a long
>> time." For instance, Lexmark uses the same black in both my 5700 (not
>> that
>> I use it any more) and Z52, but different color carts. OK, print quality
>> improved so the replacement is valid. My Z65 has an entirely different
>> (and smaller) set. It would have been nice to be able--and depend on
>> being able to buy--the same black for all three. With Canon, having
>> tanks
>> instead of integral cartridges (and hoping that the seperate print heads
>> will not be cut out while I am still using the printer) i'd consider it
>> an
>> advantage for the tank to usable over several product cycles. And find
>> them on the shelves, not cut out because the store didn't want to stock
>> older ink for discontinued models.
>>
>> Brendan
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>

 

[zakezuke]

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> Book 1 Verse 69 AMEN

Book one, Genesis, only has 31 verses. Goes something like this, "And
God saw every thing that he had made, and yey, it was good". Genesis
1:30

Might I reccomend Luke 16:1-15 Parable of the dishonest steward?
It talks about no man can have two masters, and trading wheat for 8000
gallons of olive oil (don't ask). If you must use so many Amens in a
single post you might actually take the time to quote something that is
applicable to the printing industry.

And after that please shoot me for remembering this.

 

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Burt wrote:

>Several of the Pixma printers use the same exact print heads as their
>predecessors in the "I" series. Same ink cartridges as well. Except for the
>one picoliter and the 8 color ink models there is little in the way of
>actual printing technology that is new. My i960 is virtually silent.
>

Too bad you are not.

>It
>has a removable deck for 4x6 photo paper so that two paper feeds are
>possible. The two paper feed feature is of little value to someone who uses
>this printer as a dedicated photo printer.
>

No it isn't. You can put different sizes in each source.

>Likewise the Duplex printing
>feature. For someone purchasing these printers for mixed printing use
>these features my be of some value. For those of us who use them strictly
>for photos and color graphics and have a laser printer for business or text
>documents the extra features have little or no value.
>
>

Most people do not have more than one printer. It is necessary, at
times, to print letters, maps, business documents, and various graphics
so I would say you are at the very least different from most people.

>"Dan G" <Dan@xxxx.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>>I'm using the same bulk ink in 3 different Canon models. I'd call that an
>>advantage.
>>
>>Aside from that, the PIXMA models are nothing like their predecessors.
>>Many
>>functions and features were added, not the least of which is 2 paper feeds
>>and duplexing, silent operation, lower prices, etc, etc. Only someone who
>>has not used either model line would make that statement.
>>
>>
>>"Brendan R. Wehrung" <ck183@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
>>news:d97bl2$9jf$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
>>
>>
>>>"bmoag" (aemd@verizon.net) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>However
>>
>>
>>>>they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers
>>>>
>>>>
>>use
>>
>>
>>>>the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same
>>>>inks
>>>>
>>>>
>>you
>>
>>
>>>>are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon
>>>>
>>>>
>>tells
>>
>>
>>>>you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon as my next
>>>printer, and one of my criteria is "they offer the same carts for a long
>>>time." For instance, Lexmark uses the same black in both my 5700 (not
>>>that
>>>I use it any more) and Z52, but different color carts. OK, print quality
>>>improved so the replacement is valid. My Z65 has an entirely different
>>>(and smaller) set. It would have been nice to be able--and depend on
>>>being able to buy--the same black for all three. With Canon, having
>>>tanks
>>>instead of integral cartridges (and hoping that the seperate print heads
>>>will not be cut out while I am still using the printer) i'd consider it
>>>an
>>>advantage for the tank to usable over several product cycles. And find
>>>them on the shelves, not cut out because the store didn't want to stock
>>>older ink for discontinued models.
>>>
>>>Brendan
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>