Could Canon ...

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Wondering it Canon is about to release new models. Saw in Fry's ad
today the IP4000 on sale for $80 and this is not referb's.

Mickey

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Mickey wrote:
> Wondering it Canon is about to release new models. Saw in Fry's ad
> today the IP4000 on sale for $80 and this is not referb's.
>
> Mickey


They're definitely coming when you see rapid price drops.

That $80 printer is $100 Canadian dollars.

Although I haven't seen it at that price here, it would mean a set of
Canon cartridges bought at Wal-Mart or Radio Shack in Canada would cost
you more than the printer. Bought at Costco Canada that would be about
$85 in cartridges - but you have to buy 15 cartridges (five 3-packs) to
get that price.

-Taliesyn

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Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer. However
they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers use
the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same inks you
are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon tells
you.

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"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
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>I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will introduce a
>new model.

Provided they don't go out of business beforehand.

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"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
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>I do not think you will live long enough to see that.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch......


> Anna Daptor wrote:
>
>>"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
>>newshDte.1346$Bx6.1338@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>>I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will introduce
>>>a new model.
>>>
>>
>>Provided they don't go out of business beforehand.
>>
>>

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"bmoag" (aemd@verizon.net) writes:
> Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer. However
> they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers use
> the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same inks you
> are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon tells
> you.
>
>


Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon as my next
printer, and one of my criteria is "they offer the same carts for a long
time." For instance, Lexmark uses the same black in both my 5700 (not that
I use it any more) and Z52, but different color carts. OK, print quality
improved so the replacement is valid. My Z65 has an entirely different
(and smaller) set. It would have been nice to be able--and depend on
being able to buy--the same black for all three. With Canon, having tanks
instead of integral cartridges (and hoping that the seperate print heads
will not be cut out while I am still using the printer) i'd consider it an
advantage for the tank to usable over several product cycles. And find
them on the shelves, not cut out because the store didn't want to stock
older ink for discontinued models.

Brendan

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Hi Ms Mouse.

Brendan R. Wehrung wrote:

>measekite (inkystinky@oem.com) writes:
>
>
>>I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will
>>introduce a new model.
>>
>>Mickey wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Wondering it Canon is about to release new models. Saw in Fry's ad
>>>today the IP4000 on sale for $80 and this is not referb's.
>>>
>>>Mickey
>>>
>>>
>
>
>Expected drivl from this "source".
>
>
>--
>
>
>
>

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I'm using the same bulk ink in 3 different Canon models. I'd call that an
advantage.

Aside from that, the PIXMA models are nothing like their predecessors. Many
functions and features were added, not the least of which is 2 paper feeds
and duplexing, silent operation, lower prices, etc, etc. Only someone who
has not used either model line would make that statement.


"Brendan R. Wehrung" <ck183@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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>
> "bmoag" (aemd@verizon.net) writes:
> > Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer.
However
> > they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers
use
> > the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same inks
you
> > are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon
tells
> > you.
> >
> >
>
>
> Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon as my next
> printer, and one of my criteria is "they offer the same carts for a long
> time." For instance, Lexmark uses the same black in both my 5700 (not that
> I use it any more) and Z52, but different color carts. OK, print quality
> improved so the replacement is valid. My Z65 has an entirely different
> (and smaller) set. It would have been nice to be able--and depend on
> being able to buy--the same black for all three. With Canon, having tanks
> instead of integral cartridges (and hoping that the seperate print heads
> will not be cut out while I am still using the printer) i'd consider it an
> advantage for the tank to usable over several product cycles. And find
> them on the shelves, not cut out because the store didn't want to stock
> older ink for discontinued models.
>
> Brendan
>
> --
>
>

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measekite wrote:


>>
>
> Hey sweatheart, they have been hatched and already went to the Colonel.
>

Yeah, along with what you had that passed for a brain.
Frank

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> Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
> You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do a lot
> of printing.

I've been meaning to ask, as it seems to be the norm here to take
anyone's topic and transform it into a debate on OEM vs Aftermarket
suppliers.

Does Media Street actually formulate and manufacturer their own ink?
What i've seen seems to sugest that they do, but i'm now aware of any
references to this. I'm as sceptical as the next man but I know the
canon OEM ink while reasonable in price is very much prone to faiding.

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"Brendan R. Wehrung" <ck183@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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> Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon as my
next
> printer,

Which Canon would you like to purchase? and why please.

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

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Burt wrote:

>Several of the Pixma printers use the same exact print heads as their
>predecessors in the "I" series. Same ink cartridges as well. Except for the
>one picoliter and the 8 color ink models there is little in the way of
>actual printing technology that is new. My i960 is virtually silent.
>

Too bad you are not.

>It
>has a removable deck for 4x6 photo paper so that two paper feeds are
>possible. The two paper feed feature is of little value to someone who uses
>this printer as a dedicated photo printer.
>

No it isn't. You can put different sizes in each source.

>Likewise the Duplex printing
>feature. For someone purchasing these printers for mixed printing use
>these features my be of some value. For those of us who use them strictly
>for photos and color graphics and have a laser printer for business or text
>documents the extra features have little or no value.
>
>

Most people do not have more than one printer. It is necessary, at
times, to print letters, maps, business documents, and various graphics
so I would say you are at the very least different from most people.

>"Dan G" <Dan@xxxx.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>>I'm using the same bulk ink in 3 different Canon models. I'd call that an
>>advantage.
>>
>>Aside from that, the PIXMA models are nothing like their predecessors.
>>Many
>>functions and features were added, not the least of which is 2 paper feeds
>>and duplexing, silent operation, lower prices, etc, etc. Only someone who
>>has not used either model line would make that statement.
>>
>>
>>"Brendan R. Wehrung" <ck183@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
>>news97bl2$9jf$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
>>
>>
>>>"bmoag" (aemd@verizon.net) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Canon has probably the shortest product cycles of any manufacturer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>However
>>
>>
>>>>they also repackage old technology as new. Most of the Pixma printers
>>>>
>>>>
>>use
>>
>>
>>>>the same inks as prior i9x generation printers. If you use the same
>>>>inks
>>>>
>>>>
>>you
>>
>>
>>>>are using the same printer in a different package no matter what Canon
>>>>
>>>>
>>tells
>>
>>
>>>>you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon as my next
>>>printer, and one of my criteria is "they offer the same carts for a long
>>>time." For instance, Lexmark uses the same black in both my 5700 (not
>>>that
>>>I use it any more) and Z52, but different color carts. OK, print quality
>>>improved so the replacement is valid. My Z65 has an entirely different
>>>(and smaller) set. It would have been nice to be able--and depend on
>>>being able to buy--the same black for all three. With Canon, having
>>>tanks
>>>instead of integral cartridges (and hoping that the seperate print heads
>>>will not be cut out while I am still using the printer) i'd consider it
>>>an
>>>advantage for the tank to usable over several product cycles. And find
>>>them on the shelves, not cut out because the store didn't want to stock
>>>older ink for discontinued models.
>>>
>>>Brendan
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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zakezuke wrote:

>> Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
>>You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do a lot
>>of printing.
>>
>>
>
>I've been meaning to ask, as it seems to be the norm here to take
>anyone's topic and transform it into a debate on OEM vs Aftermarket
>suppliers.
>
>Does Media Street actually formulate and manufacturer their own ink?
>
>

NO And they will not tell you what BRAND of ink they sell.

>What i've seen seems to sugest that they do, but i'm now aware of any
>references to this. I'm as sceptical as the next man but I know the
>canon OEM ink while reasonable in price is very much prone to faiding.
>
>

I have not had that problem.

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Frank wrote:

> zakezuke wrote:
>
>>> Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
>>> You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do a
>>> lot
>>> of printing.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've been meaning to ask, as it seems to be the norm here to take
>> anyone's topic and transform it into a debate on OEM vs Aftermarket
>> suppliers.
>>
>> Does Media Street actually formulate and manufacturer their own ink?
>> What i've seen seems to sugest that they do, but i'm now aware of any
>> references to this. I'm as sceptical as the next man but I know the
>> canon OEM ink while reasonable in price is very much prone to faiding.
>>
>
> Obviously they have a vested interest in the formulation of their oem
> replacement inks. I don't really know but I seriously doubt they
> actually manufacture their own ink. Most ink suppliers, even oem's,
> use overseas contract ink manufacturers who work closely with them on
> formulation tailored to their requested results to develop specific
> inks for them.
> Media Street appears to be doing this.

As if this jerk knows

> Unless you're an ink formulation specialists or ink chemists knowing
> who (which Chinese factory) formulates the ink your using is basically
> useless information.


If ink was branded it would be easier to sort out the good from the
bad. ie Frankie Crankie is a brand and it is easy to know he is a
shmuck with ears.

> All dye based inks fade more rapidly than do pigment based inks as I'm
> sure you already know.
> As for "reasonably priced" you need to define "reasonable". Canon oem
> carts cost about $11.95usd

$9.00 at Costco

> for my i9900. 3rd carts unbranded generic cost as little as $3.95usd.
> You do the math, because I certanly can't, if that's reasonable for
> you to pay for oem's then so be it.
> For more information about Media Street suggest you call or email them.
> Frank


Yeh, they are really informative. If they mfg ink then I am sure they
would like to market it to all of the resellers they could and not
compete with them.

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> NO And they will not tell you what BRAND of ink they sell.

"Media Street has its own ink development lab and manufacturing
facility strategically located adjacent to its own paper converting
facility. Also on premesis is an Atlas Suntest FadeOmeter XLS Machine
to allow for internal lightstability testing. Norm Levy is an active
member of the ISO Working Group 5- Task Group 3 Committee: Methods for
Measuring the Stability of Color Pictoral Images."
--http://www.mediastreet.com/cgi-bin/tame/mediastreet/about_us.tam

Norm Levy has stated that it's manufactured under their own roof in
Long Island.
--http://www.mediastreet.com/realplayer.html

Unless you have evidence to sugest they don't, I think i'll go with
what they say about the subject thanks.

> >What i've seen seems to sugest that they do, but i'm now aware of any
> >references to this. I'm as sceptical as the next man but I know the
> >canon OEM ink while reasonable in price is very much prone to faiding.

> I have not had that problem.

You must have no sunlight. I've seen worse, but i've seen much better.
I'll do some testing once I actually run out of OEM ink.

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zakezuke wrote:

>>NO And they will not tell you what BRAND of ink they sell.
>
>
> "Media Street has its own ink development lab and manufacturing
> facility strategically located adjacent to its own paper converting
> facility. Also on premesis is an Atlas Suntest FadeOmeter XLS Machine
> to allow for internal lightstability testing. Norm Levy is an active
> member of the ISO Working Group 5- Task Group 3 Committee: Methods for
> Measuring the Stability of Color Pictoral Images."
> --http://www.mediastreet.com/cgi-bin/tame/mediastreet/about_us.tam
>
> Norm Levy has stated that it's manufactured under their own roof in
> Long Island.
> --http://www.mediastreet.com/realplayer.html
>
> Unless you have evidence to sugest they don't, I think i'll go with
> what they say about the subject thanks.
>
>
>>>What i've seen seems to sugest that they do, but i'm now aware of any
>>>references to this. I'm as sceptical as the next man but I know the
>>>canon OEM ink while reasonable in price is very much prone to faiding.
>
>
>>I have not had that problem.
>
>
> You must have no sunlight. I've seen worse, but i've seen much better.
> I'll do some testing once I actually run out of OEM ink.
>
hehehe...darkness is a problem for mesershit. He's not blind but he
cannot see.
Good info Zakezuke, thanks.
Frank

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"Emrys Davies" (me@privacy.net) writes:
> "Brendan R. Wehrung" <ck183@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
> news97bl2$9jf$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
>
>> Isn't that an advantage? I'm a Lexmark user considering Canon as my
> next
>> printer,
>
> Which Canon would you like to purchase? and why please.
>
> Regards,
> Emrys Davies.
>
>


I'm relying on this group for direction. It probably won't be until next
year, by which time Canon could have gone through two product cycles. I
like having one with two full-size paper feeds (I keep card stock in one
for making CD and DVD covers) and of coure it has to be able to handle
card stock (which my Lexmark does because it has a straight feed path).
I've generally paid about $100 for a printer on sale, usually about the
time it about to be replaced and they offer the best deals. Canon seems
to be approaching such a point. Ease of use and ink cost (what everybody
has against Lexmark) as well as quality and long-term durability are my
criteria. That's what I look for on this group, gripes about things that
don't work right, choosing a line that doens't have many. I'd never buy
an Epson for that reason, despite nice prints.

Brendan
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And on the seventh day God rested; He rested fitfully wondering if He had
forgotten anything.
Suddenly He realised that He had not provided enough humour for mankind.
So He created Measekite so that all men and women could laugh at someone who
was less gifted than them.
Then God said to all mankind, enjoy your laughter but remember that Measekite
does not know that he is less gifted, he believes he knows much and he is to be
pitied.
And God rested, knowing He had done well and mankind could invent printers that
would confound Measekite and give mankind something of real value to enjoy.
And mankind said to God, you are right, he is to be pitied, but we are going to
laugh at him anyway!
And God smiled

"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Book 1 Verse 69 AMEN
>
>Book one, Genesis, only has 31 verses. Goes something like this, "And
>God saw every thing that he had made, and yey, it was good". Genesis
>1:30
>
>Might I reccomend Luke 16:1-15 Parable of the dishonest steward?
>It talks about no man can have two masters, and trading wheat for 8000
>gallons of olive oil (don't ask). If you must use so many Amens in a
>single post you might actually take the time to quote something that is
>applicable to the printing industry.
>
>And after that please shoot me for remembering this.

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In article <ejJte.545$N22.154@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
inkystinky@oem.com says...

> If you want to buy a NONAME UNBRANDED potential printhead clogging
> garbage. It there is an aftermarket mfg/formulator that is ok to use it
> is almost impossible to find them.
>
It was pretty easy to identify a couple of pretty good prospects for ink
vendors, based on info from actual users (not just opinion holders) in
this ng.
I'm sure there are some bad inks out there, I strongly suspect (but do
not know from experience) that the universal ink refill kits will give
poor results. The TruColor Imaging ink I got from alotofthings.com works
perfectly in my i960, and is costing me about 50 cents per refill. I've
refilled 12 cartridges in 6 months, so vs. $11 for Canon cartridges,
I've already paid for my next printer, with 6 months left on the
warranty, and no signs of any problems. Refilling the Canon cartridges
is a no-brainer, and very little time and trouble involved.

Oh yeah, on the actual subject of this thread, the heads & print
cartridges for the Pixma series are the same as most of the previous i
series, with only mechanical paper feed differences, so this ink should
give the same results in the current line.

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In article <PhDte.1346$Bx6.1338@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
inkystinky@oem.com says...
> I know for a fact that sometime in the next 10 years Canon will
> introduce a new model.

Measly, you are a real fount of information ... we are lucky to have
access to your insights in this ng. But ... you don't really know that
for a FACT, you just ASSume it to be very likely.

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zakezuke wrote:

>>Book 1 Verse 69 AMEN
>>
>>
>
>Book one, Genesis, only has 31 verses. Goes something like this, "And
>God saw every thing that he had made, and yey, it was good".
>

Except for Frankie Crankie and Burtie Furtie

>Genesis
>1:30
>
>Might I reccomend Luke 16:1-15 Parable of the dishonest steward?
>
>

Is that Cool Hand Luke?

>It talks about no man can have two masters, and trading wheat for 8000
>gallons of olive oil (don't ask). If you must use so many Amens in a
>single post you might actually take the time to quote something that is
>applicable to the printing industry.
>
>And after that please shoot me for remembering this.
>
>
>

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Irwin Peckinloomer wrote:

>In article <ejJte.545$N22.154@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
>inkystinky@oem.com says...
>
>
>
>>If you want to buy a NONAME UNBRANDED potential printhead clogging
>>garbage. It there is an aftermarket mfg/formulator that is ok to use it
>>is almost impossible to find them.
>>
>>
>>
>It was pretty easy to identify a couple of pretty good prospects for ink
>vendors, based on info from actual users (not just opinion holders) in
>this ng.
>
>

Hey PeckerBloomer - We are not talking about vendors we are talking
about mfg/formulators.

>I'm sure there are some bad inks out there,
>

Most of them.

>I strongly suspect (but do
>not know from experience) that the universal ink refill kits will give
>poor results. The TruColor Imaging ink I got from alotofthings.com works
>perfectly in my i960, and is costing me about 50 cents per refill.
>

That is not a BRAND and the jerks will not tell you who is the
mfg/formulator.

>I've
>refilled 12 cartridges in 6 months, so vs. $11 for Canon cartridges,
>I've already paid for my next printer, with 6 months left on the
>warranty, and no signs of any problems. Refilling the Canon cartridges
>is a no-brainer, as I do not have any and very little time and trouble involved.
>
>Oh yeah, on the actual subject of this thread, the heads & print
>cartridges for the Pixma series are the same as most of the previous i
>series, with only mechanical paper feed differences, so this ink should
>give the same results in the current line.
>
>
The driver is also different and that controls the end result quality.

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measekite wrote:

>
>
> Irwin Peckinloomer wrote:
>
>> In article <okJte.546$N22.350@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
>> inkystinky@oem.com says...
>>
>>
>>> zakezuke wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
>>>>> You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you do
>>>>> a lot
>>>>> of printing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've been meaning to ask, as it seems to be the norm here to take
>>>> anyone's topic and transform it into a debate on OEM vs Aftermarket
>>>> suppliers.
>>>>
>>>> Does Media Street actually formulate and manufacturer their own ink?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> NO And they will not tell you what BRAND of ink they sell.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> But, of course, neither will Canon!
>>
>>
>
> Canon is the source dummy.

Doubtful dummy!
Frank

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measekite wrote:


>
>> I'm sure there are some bad inks out there,
>
>
> Most of them.


Bullshit!


> That is not a BRAND and the jerks will not tell you who is the
> mfg/formulator.

More bullshit!


The driver is also different and that controls the end result quality.

Not really as the mechanical limitations of the printer are the untimate
deciding factors determining print quality.
Frank

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Frank wrote:

> measekite wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Irwin Peckinloomer wrote:
>>
>>> In article <okJte.546$N22.350@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
>>> inkystinky@oem.com says...
>>>
>>>
>>>> zakezuke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Look around this ng, as there are many good 3rd party ink suppliers.
>>>>>> You won't be sorry and you'll be a lot richer especially if you
>>>>>> do a lot
>>>>>> of printing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been meaning to ask, as it seems to be the norm here to take
>>>>> anyone's topic and transform it into a debate on OEM vs Aftermarket
>>>>> suppliers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does Media Street actually formulate and manufacturer their own ink?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NO And they will not tell you what BRAND of ink they sell.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But, of course, neither will Canon!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Canon is the source dummy.
>
>
> Doubtful dummy! Frank


Yes you are