I wuold much rather build the same machine. But I do not know if I could build it for less. I will have to research.
$2200 - Can't get much cheaper than that... workstation mobos are pricey as is ECC RAM. 1GB of RAM? Dude, they go up to 16GB! 2GB is minimum these days. 4GB is ideal now. Dual Woodcrests will smoke any overclocked Conroe in multi-threaded apps AND be quieter and cooler.
I'm trying to convince my boss to buy 50-100 of them replace the aging workstations we have. He's close to biting (being sub-$3000 is a good thing).
$262 is monkey spit and who wants to maintain a bunch of mongrel PCs?
You also forgot to include the OS. Don't be pirating sh*t when you are doing business as a professional unless you live in a 3rd world country in Eastern Europe.
BTW The ATI 1600XT probably won't run on the MacPro unless there's a firmwire upgrade(?). The number of video cards compatible with Macs/OSX is limited. Couldn't you find the price for the 7300 GT? Also, add a DVD writer too
I also don't want the slooooooow Xeons. Give me the 5160 (the only ones faster than ALL the Opterons). Otherwise you could buy yourself an Opteron to match the 5130 + 5150(?).
$885 is optimistic for each 5160 CPU, but okay you maybe able to find such deals.
The 7300 GT is cheap (around $80US - $120CDN) I think... it's not a very good card compared to your choice. The bonus is that you can have FOUR of them in the MacPro... to power a mega editing system I think...
The homebuilt becomes slightly cheaper IF you can snag all those awesome deals.
Apple had a problem on thier configuration site that stated they were using a 7300GT from "ATI" I had not heard of it and could not find it. They just changed it to the Nvidia 7300GT which is a rather LOW end video card @ ~ $88.00.
Since I had a price of $145.00 that makes the price of the Home Grown a little cheaper now by $57.00
So now it is:
Home Grown 3122
For a Diff of ONLY $178.00....
Apple is actually offering a price conscientious product.
Lian Li PC-201B Black Case - $269.99
X7DA8-O Dual Socket 771 Intel 5000X Motherboard - $549.99
ASUS EN7600GT SILENT Video Card - $209.99
Antec Phantom 500 Power Supply - $159.99
2 X Intel Xeon 5160 Woodcrest - $1,833.98
4 X Crucial 1GB DDR2 FB-DIMM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) - $777.96
2 X Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500GB Hard Drive - $579.98
Logitech Ultra X Wired Standard Keyboard - $21.99
Logitech MX518 PS/2 Optical Mouse - $39.99
Pioneer 16X DVD±R DVD Burner - $31.99
(excludes OS, support, monitor, etc)
The MAC for comparison:
power mac case
mac pro motherbard (5000x chipset as far as I can tell)
Nvidia 7300gt(slower than the pc version)
2 X 3GhZ woodcrest
4GB Mystery RAM
2 X 500Gb Mystery HD
"Superdrive" DVD burner
TOTAL: 4,549 (with academic discount, includes OS and support, no monitor)
I took a mac and configured it for their suggested "pro audio" setup, I took that same budjet and tried to build the nicest quad woodcrest rig for the money. What usually happens is for the same money you get obviosly better hardware, but this one comes really really close.
The main difference seems to be in the video card, the motherboards (which is a 5000x chipset as far as I can tell) for the pc's only have one 16x pci slot but the mac one seems to have more, shame the mac cannot support as many cards. If you consider OS, fans, and cables both righs turn out to cost about the same. The funny thing is, the PC is not the obviously surperior machine to the mac, which is usually the case when you do this comparison. That, and you dont have any firewire on that pc, or any support, and you have to put it together yourself.
I am sure that Apple is making much more than $200 per unit.
Those prices I am quoting are from Pricewatch and the products are already available. Those prices are also "not" Bulk/Wholesale pricing.
I am sure Wholesale pricing for a Woodcrest 5160 is much less than the $885.00 offering on Pricewatch.
I agree that the extra money it is going towards profit and warranty. The standard warranty with 90 day support and 1 year parts is not too shabby either though. You can upgrade to a three year warranty for another $250.00.
All in all who cares how much Apple makes when they are releasing product @ or near the home grown costs.
Just changed the "NOT" at the top of the post to "MAYBE".
Kinda fun to look at it and find that pricing is falling in line. Makes you wonder what pricing agreements they had for procs with the G5 line. Obviously Intel has made it worth their while to carry the Intel logo.