System Builder Marathon: Sub-$4000 PC

[Crashman]

Today, day one of our SBM, our highest-priced system sets the performance standard against which the less expensive configurations will be compared.

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[L1qu1d]

Good Article, i'd still like to see more current generation games, such as COD4, Bioshock, Grid, Gears of Ware etc, I mean prey is a very old game and warhammer meh...

Either way very well explained article, but for some1 like me the 8800 Ultras still sell for around 500$ here, and 3 of them would set me back 1500, while the GX2s 1000-1200

 

[Waspy]

Liquid, what was their old rig? Wasn't it 2x 8800GTXes? That pretty much squarely beat 2x 9800GX2s? So you don't need 3, only 2!

Also, good point, they need to benchmark games like GRID and Age of Conan as well!

 

[Waspy]

Ahhh too bad about the videocard choice here. I would have liked to see a 2x GTX260 rig...I think that'll be the next power-gamer's rig without dropping the extra $500 on the 2x GTX280 and the extra $300 on a 1wK PSU...although I'm sure this 850W could handle it. I'm going to be running GTX260s on a 750W quality PSU...I predict absolutely no problems.

 

[mr roboto]

Yes good article but I have to echo the exact sentiment from above. Prey is a fun game but it was never really the system killer to begin with. Some shader intensive games would be nice too.

I think Nvidia is going to discontinue the 8800GTX\Ultras real soon here. Right now on Newegg.com they don't have any of either card. Over the last few weeks they've been sporadic as far as being in stock. I would consider adding another 8800GTX to my rig but like L1qu!d said they're still pretty expensive. The lowest price I've seen for the 8800GTX's is around $350. If I could find one for $250-$300 range it would be worth it.

 

[L1qu1d]

Yeah because I kno in certain games tri and quad scale better. Age of Conan, COD4 are some examples

 

[mr roboto]

[citation][nom]Waspy[/nom]I think that'll be the next power-gamer's rig without dropping the extra $500 on the 2x GTX280 and the extra $300 on a 1wK PSU...although I'm sure this 850W could handle it. I'm going to be running GTX260s on a 750W quality PSU...I predict absolutely no problems.[/citation]

Are you high? 2 GTX's on an 850w or even a 1KW PSU? With all the other peripherals installed, no way. Asus's new top of the line ARES rig uses 2 1KW PSU's for three GTX 280's. So GTX 260 SLI rig will need a minimum 1KW.

 

[neodude007]

Nice article guys. Its funny that a $1,200 could beat that $4,000 rig in a lot of games/benchies. My E8400 @ 3.8GHz and SLI 8800GT get around 18,000 3dMark06
Can't wait to see how the other test builds are going to perform.

 

[Crashman]

Nice article guys. Its funny that a $1,200 could beat that $4,000 rig in a lot of games/benchies. My E8400 @ 3.8GHz and SLI 8800GT get around 18,000 3dMark06
Can't wait to see how the other test builds are going to perform.

Of course it beats it in some things, it's overclocked. All the systems will get overclocked on Monday.

 

[Waspy]

[citation][nom]Mr Roboto[/nom]Are you high? 2 GTX's on an 850w or even a 1KW PSU? With all the other peripherals installed, no way. Asus's new top of the line AREShttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ares rig uses 2 1KW PSU's for three GTX 280's. So GTX 260 SLI rig will need a minimum 1KW.[/citation]

Well I was using an instanced case...I'm not going to be running mad-donkey peripherals. Plan is 4 HDDs, 1 DVD burner, 2x GTX260, E8400, bunch of fans and LEDs but those are tiny draws.

Dude anyways, no, 1kW is overkill. Look at this build! A quality 850W for a water-cooling rig with a QX9650 and 2x 9800GX2s! The GTX260 draws like 10W or more LESS than the 9800GX2, plus I won't be running a quad core OR water cooling. 750W is completely sound. My plan is for this rig to last me until Nehalem so I don't think I'll be going quad core on it etc.

 

[The_Blood_Raven]

I am shocked, I must give Tom's a hand for this build it was well thought out and they picked the right parts. Only thing I do not like is the TJ09 case, that case does not cooler very well, an Antec 900 beats it with all fans on low, sad. They need to drop the TJ09, I had one and returned it, because it's cooling performance was not great, for a $4k gaming rig you need GREAT cooling. The Cosmos S is not much better, but there are so many other cases on the market that could fit that cooling system in that are a lot better and much cheaper. Oh well, besides the case GOOD JOB THW!

 

[gm0n3y]

The comments about the game choices are valid, but I think they try to stay with the same games for as long as possible to allow for direct comparison against previous tests. So they only get updated ever 18 months or so.

 

[r0b0tc0rpse]

[citation][nom]The_Blood_Raven[/nom]I am shocked, I must give Tom's a hand for this build it was well thought out and they picked the right parts. Only thing I do not like is the TJ09 case, that case does not cooler very well, an Antec 900 beats it with all fans on low, sad. They need to drop the TJ09, I had one and returned it, because it's cooling performance was not great, for a $4k gaming rig you need GREAT cooling. The Cosmos S is not much better, but there are so many other cases on the market that could fit that cooling system in that are a lot better and much cheaper. Oh well, besides the case GOOD JOB THW![/citation]

My TJ09 cools fine. Front and rear fans are weak, replaced with scythe's and its fine. If you need more video card cooling, add a side window with a 120 MM fan hole. ran 2.6-2.8 ghz @ 22*C ~31-35 under load, 3.6 GHZ on air @ 32* c / 42 c * under load

 

[Crashman]

[citation][nom]The_Blood_Raven[/nom]I am shocked, I must give Tom's a hand for this build it was well thought out and they picked the right parts. Only thing I do not like is the TJ09 case, that case does not cooler very well, an Antec 900 beats it with all fans on low, sad. They need to drop the TJ09, I had one and returned it, because it's cooling performance was not great, for a $4k gaming rig you need GREAT cooling. The Cosmos S is not much better, but there are so many other cases on the market that could fit that cooling system in that are a lot better and much cheaper. Oh well, besides the case GOOD JOB THW![/citation]

The Antec Nine Hundred was considered last year and rejected because it couldn't support as many radiators. The TJ09 has enough airflow that a single internal fan over the RAM can cool the RAM, chipset, and VRM. This wouldn't be true if the case was hot internally.

 

[cleeve]

Just a note from the staff:

We're currenty updating our entire games suite, it won't be ready for this system builder marathon but it'll be up & running soon.

 

[cruiseoveride]

This is so stupid, 4 grand for what? a year later its a typewriter,

A ps3 costs, umm...~$500 ? and will last 5 years or more, and 5 years later it will still play the games as well as it did today.

While this overgrown typewriter will be sold on ebay for junk.

 

[razor512]

for the price, it is only a little bit faster than a PC thats half the cost

it is not worth it,

SLI it the worst bottleneck on earth

2 cards = twice the price for only a 10-20% performance boost

 

[clay12340]

This is so stupid, 4 grand for what? a year later its a typewriter,

A ps3 costs, umm...~$500 ? and will last 5 years or more, and 5 years later it will still play the games as well as it did today.

While this overgrown typewriter will be sold on ebay for junk.

Yeah spending $500 is a great investment for both of the games worth playing on a PS3 ... Buy a Wii for half as much and give yourself some options. Buy an Xbox 360 and have even more options.

Aside from that your comment is still dumb. It is an article about building a PC system on a $4k budget. It has nothing to do with value or comparison to consoles.

 

[warezme]

$4K budget??? thats like a $500,000 sports car budget..., hmm, should I get the Murcielago or Porsche Carrera GT..., what a challenge

 

[vonbose]

Could you actually even spend $4000 on an AMD system?

For all the hype, $4,000 is an insane amount of money to spend on a PC. I'd like to see an AMD spider set-up with quad 4870's (when they come out) vs. these machines. I bet you could build two machines for $4,000 and realistically play all of the same games at simiar settings.

 

[mr roboto]

[citation][nom]cleeve[/nom]Just a note from the staff:We're currenty updating our entire games suite, it won't be ready for this system builder marathon but it'll be up & running soon.[/citation]

Good job. It's very much appreciated.

 

[rhysee]

Reading these feedback , seems Toms has done its homework , keep it up , and make sure the games are current and juicy ones.. Crysis , S.C, GRID , bench marking the real taxing games that kill video cards is a +

I would like to see the same machine but with 4850 x 2 or better , just to compare ATI with NVIDIA.. as people would like a choice at the end of the day.

 

[cruiseoveride]

[citation][nom]warezme[/nom]$4K budget??? thats like a $500,000 sports car budget..., hmm, should I get the Murcielago or Porsche Carrera GT..., what a challenge[/citation]
couldnt agree more...

 

[neodude007]

[citation][nom]razor512[/nom]for the price, it is only a little bit faster than a PC thats half the cost it is not worth it,SLI it the worst bottleneck on earth 2 cards = twice the price for only a 10-20% performance boost[/citation]
Where do you come up with these figures? Ever heard of the Charts page on this website? My SLI scales very well with 8800GT cards. Learn to read before opening your mouth.

 

[gamecrazychris]

I'm looking forward to the system they're going to put together in the sub-$2000 category.