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August 12, 2006 12:48:55 AM

Ok my plans are to sell my comp shortly, in the next couple months.

And then build myself a new computer, with a bit better parts then my current computer, but a whole lot more room for expandibility.

Like for example: I have no Sata2, only 2 DDR memory slots, and max cpu i can have is like a 2.8ghz 533mhz fsb P4.


My current build specs are as followed... Im trying to leave lots of room for upgradeablity, cause i dont have that much money right now, and ill probably upgrade in a year or 2 with a Core 2 Duo

Antec LifeStyle SONATA II Piano Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 450Watt SmartPower 2.0 ATX 12V V2.0 for AMD & Intel systems Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

ASUS P5B Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

***** About the processor I was wondering if it supported Celeron's and or Pentium 4's, I might throw in a cheap 50-70$ Celeron like this one if it supports it.
Intel Celeron D 351 Prescott 533MHz FSB 256KB L2 Cache LGA 775 EM64T Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

BFG Tech BFGR73256GSOCE Geforce 7300GS Supporting 512MB(256MB on board) 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
**Or a = one or near it under 100$ on newegg.com **If someone could give me some suggestions.

CORSAIR VALUE SELECT 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) System Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

Western Digital Caviar SE WD800JD 80GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

And also wondering if it will support a ide ata133 harddrive for the time being, and a ide dvd burner on the same ribbon, until i can afford a sata2 hd.


So on my point of few im looking for bare minumum, but this would alrdy kill my current computer, and this build will have tons of upgradability.

My questions are in the spec's for current parts.

Id appreciate any comments and suggestions, more the better.
Thanks Storm~

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August 12, 2006 2:07:02 AM

Iv'e changed and added a few things they are..

VideoCard buying from newegg now, not bestbuy same one I think less $

BFG Tech BFGR73256GSOCE Geforce 7300GS Supporting 512MB(256MB on board) 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Western Digital Caviar SE WD800JD 80GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...


*~*~And I have a question about finding processor and memory support for my mobo. * Refer to www.asus.com for Intel CPU support list, same thing for memory support list

Where do I find these lists, can someone link me iv'e looked few times.
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August 12, 2006 2:53:38 AM

Okay, here's what I think:

1. The case is nice and so is the PSU. I have a SmartPower 2.0 500W and it's a nice, quiet PSU. Your 400W should be enough as long as you keep the GPU to a reasonable size (your 7300GT is fine) in the future and don't try to overclock your CPU to stupidly high clock rates at the same time.

2. Motherboard: You seem to have had good luck with ASUS boards, and the P5B is a well-reviewed unit. It is a bit pricey, though, but not bad for a board with a brand-new Intel chipset. Be forewarned that it only has one IDE channel on it, so you can only put two ATA devices on the board without putting an extra IDE controller in it.

3. The CPU would work with that board okay. It's not that hot of a CPU, but it's 64-bit and cheap. However, I'd recommend a Pentium D 805 for about $50 more if you are going to be keeping that CPU for "a year or two." The 805 will feel much smoother than the Celeron and will play multithreaded games better than the Celeron.

A Core 2 Duo E6300 is $230 right now. Its MSRP is something like $180- if you wait a month or two, you can buy that and be much happier than you would be with a Celeron D 351 or the Pentium D 805.

4. Video card- looks good.

5. RAM: The 965 chipset supports up to DDR2-800 but the FSB is limited to 1066 MHz. So you can only use the bandwidth from a pair of DDR2-533 sticks to fed the CPU. The rest of the bandwidth can be used to feed the chipset and such, but unless you have an IGP, it's largely unused except if you want to overclock.

Corsair VS is good RAM. I have a 2x1GB kit of DDR 400 back from when it was cheap (damn, it's $192 now!!) So I looked at 2x512MB in DDR2-533, -667, and -800:

DDR2-533 CL4: $89.99
DDR2-667 CL?: $92.99
Corasir XMS DDR2-800 CL5 (no VS in -800 yet): $94.00 on sale ($109.00 regularly)

I'd recommend the XMS DDR2-800 *if and only if* you can get it at the $94.00 price. Otherwise, the VS DDR2-667 is what you'd like. It's always better to have just a bit faster RAM than the FSB if it's not too much more expensive than RAM of the speed that's equal to your FSB.

6. Hard drive: WD makes good ones. I have two and they are nice.

This computer would not necessarily kill your current rig as the 2.8 Northwood in your old rig is only a touch slower than a Celeron D 351 or a Pentium D 805. You'll have to put that Core 2 in there to see the real gains.
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August 12, 2006 3:33:13 AM

The pentium 4 2.8ghz Northwood is the processor I was thinking about getting for the computer I am going to now probably sell. I am currently using a 2.0ghz Celeron.

Ill tell you the specs of the PC im currently using and probably gonna be selling to buy some of my new rig.

ASUS P4VP-MX Mobo
2.0Ghz Celeron
1152 Megs of PC2700 Not Dual Channeld A 1gig stick / 1 128 megabyte stick
ATI Radeon 9550 Vid Card
40 - 80 Gig ATA 133 Hd's


So either the celeron or the 805 , with 1 gig of ram in Dual Channel, and a better Vid Card, should help quite a bit. ** I mostly just do small stuff, besides Video Editing..

Is this the memory you where talking about, I was also debating on getting it just wanst sure if itd work, will it..
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1682...


So 3 questions left

1) Will it all be compatible?
2) Would I beable to use a 80 or 100GB Maxtor IDE ATA133, and a IDE DVD Burner ( BenQ 1655 ), under my 1 IDE Channel if I decided to wait to get a SATA2 HD.

3) Will I still beable to use my Windows XP 32bit version using my new 775 computer 64Bit processor, and have all my programs still work. I beleive 64bit processors are also 32 bit correct? Because I dont plan on getting Windows Vista probably for years...


And when I get my new parts will I have to mess with BIOS features or anything else to get it all to read eachother?


Thanks For any comments or suggestions. Storm~
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August 12, 2006 3:58:16 AM

The new rig with the Pentium D 805 or Celeron will be much faster than a Celeron 2.0. It just wouldn't be that much faster than a 2.8B Northwood, especially in games that are not multithreaded. Your encoders will GREATLY benefit from the PD 805 if they're decent multithreaded encoders.

You now would have less RAM in your new box than in your old one. But you do have two slots open for later. I'd generally recommend 2GB in a new build nowdays even with a 32-bit OS. 1GB will work, but under a lot of load, it can get used up. Just be judicious and remember that the price of DDR2 RAM will decrease over time. The Corsair XMS you highlighted is exactly what I meant. It's higher-grade RAM than the VS, so the 1.9 rated volts means that you could run the RAM at 1.9V if you wished to overclock or tighten timings on it and the extra 0.1V would not hurt it, but 1.8V (the DDR2 spec) would work fine at default settings.

As to your questions:
1. It should all be compatible. Your board would support a 533/800/1066 FSB LGA775 processor and the 965 chipset supports dual and single core chips. The RAM is DDR2-667 or -800 and the chipset supports it natively. The PSU and case and board are all ATX and your PSU has enough juice.

2. You can use your ATA HDD and DVD burner on that one IDE channel and be fine. You just cannot add any more ATA devices after that without adding a ~$30 PCI IDE controller card.

3. You certainly can run 32-bit XP on a 64-bit-capable chip and everything will work just fine as the chip can be run in 32-bit mode as well as 64-bit long mode. That's what >95% of people with 64-bit-capable chips do as a matter of fact. Few run Windows XP x64 as it requires 64-bit drivers and those are not easy to find and there are few 64-bit Windows programs. I've tried Vista x64 Beta and it is cruddy, really cruddy. Very slow and you need 3-4GB RAM to attempt to get decent performance. Oh, that and it's got enough of a ****load of DRM to make even the most draconian RIAA/MPAA/BSA exec jump for joy. I do nevertheless run a 64-bit OS on my computer, but I get around the driver and program issue by compiling everything from source code, which isn't exactly an option for Windows users for obvious reasons.
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August 12, 2006 4:19:28 AM

The PD 805 would be my choice as it's a dual-core. ASUS makes a good board, you should not go wrong with it.
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