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Anonymous
July 8, 2004 2:28:08 PM

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Hi,
I'm having the following warning poping un every 2 hours on my 2 DCs.

I would like to know if any of you seen this before.

Event Type: Warning
Event Source: NETLOGON

Event Category: None

Event ID: 5781

Date: 7/8/2004

Time: 9:35:28 AM

User: N/A

Computer: servername

Description:

Dynamic registration or deregistration of one or more DNS records failed
because no DNS servers are available.



I've found some doc about the ID5781 but none are applicable. Maybe there is
more that i didn't find though.



Thanks!

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Anonymous
July 8, 2004 2:28:09 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win2000.dns (More info?)

In news:u6DBvePZEHA.644@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
Michel B. <mbruyere.nospam@ezemcanada.com> posted a question
Then Kevin replied below:
> Hi,
> I'm having the following warning poping un every 2
> hours on my 2 DCs.
>
> I would like to know if any of you seen this before.
>
> Event Type: Warning
> Event Source: NETLOGON
>
> Event Category: None
>
> Event ID: 5781
>
> Date: 7/8/2004
>
> Time: 9:35:28 AM
>
> User: N/A
>
> Computer: servername
>
> Description:
>
> Dynamic registration or deregistration of one or more DNS
> records failed because no DNS servers are available.
>
>
>
> I've found some doc about the ID5781 but none are
> applicable. Maybe there is more that i didn't find though.

Usually 5781s can be traced back to single-label domain names, which
starting with Win2kSP4 caused errors in DNS, if you have recently installed
SP4 I would suspect your domain is Single-label. The problem is not SP4 but
your domain name, Microsoft had to fix the bug with single-label queries and
registration requests going to the root servers.

In order to acurately diagnose you 5781 you should post your AD domain name,
ipconfig /all, and list your AD zone name in DNS


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Anonymous
July 8, 2004 2:53:21 PM

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In news:u6DBvePZEHA.644@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
Michel B. <mbruyere.nospam@ezemcanada.com> asked for help and I offered my
suggestions below:
> Hi,
> I'm having the following warning poping un every 2 hours on my 2
> DCs.
>
> I would like to know if any of you seen this before.
>
> Event Type: Warning
> Event Source: NETLOGON
>
> Event Category: None
>
> Event ID: 5781
>
> Date: 7/8/2004
>
> Time: 9:35:28 AM
>
> User: N/A
>
> Computer: servername
>
> Description:
>
> Dynamic registration or deregistration of one or more DNS records
> failed because no DNS servers are available.
>
>
>
> I've found some doc about the ID5781 but none are applicable. Maybe
> there is more that i didn't find though.
>
>
>
> Thanks!

If you can provide some specific config info on your part, it would help us
diagnose this for your system, such as:

1. Unedited ipconfig /all (from two of your DCs)
2. The actual AD DNS domain name (as ADUC shows it)

Thanks

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Ace

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Anonymous
July 8, 2004 3:55:23 PM

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Hi,
You guys pointed right to the point I think. I effetivlely have a single
domain name.
I 'va found a paper talking about what you said, it KB300684

does this could resolve my issue?


Thanks



"Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]" <admin@nospam.WFTX.US> wrote in message
news:o Z3I3nPZEHA.644@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> In news:u6DBvePZEHA.644@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
> Michel B. <mbruyere.nospam@ezemcanada.com> posted a question
> Then Kevin replied below:
> > Hi,
> > I'm having the following warning poping un every 2
> > hours on my 2 DCs.
> >
> > I would like to know if any of you seen this before.
> >
> > Event Type: Warning
> > Event Source: NETLOGON
> >
> > Event Category: None
> >
> > Event ID: 5781
> >
> > Date: 7/8/2004
> >
> > Time: 9:35:28 AM
> >
> > User: N/A
> >
> > Computer: servername
> >
> > Description:
> >
> > Dynamic registration or deregistration of one or more DNS
> > records failed because no DNS servers are available.
> >
> >
> >
> > I've found some doc about the ID5781 but none are
> > applicable. Maybe there is more that i didn't find though.
>
> Usually 5781s can be traced back to single-label domain names, which
> starting with Win2kSP4 caused errors in DNS, if you have recently
installed
> SP4 I would suspect your domain is Single-label. The problem is not SP4
but
> your domain name, Microsoft had to fix the bug with single-label queries
and
> registration requests going to the root servers.
>
> In order to acurately diagnose you 5781 you should post your AD domain
name,
> ipconfig /all, and list your AD zone name in DNS
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Kevin D4 Dad Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]
> Hope This Helps
> ============================
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Anonymous
July 8, 2004 10:54:53 PM

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In news:o LlDdPQZEHA.2016@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl,
Michel B. <mbruyere.nospam@ezemcanada.com> posted a question
Then Kevin replied below:
> Hi,
> You guys pointed right to the point I think. I
> effetivlely have a single domain name.
> I 'va found a paper talking about what you said, it
> KB300684

This will stop your 5781 events, you always have an issue with the
single-label domain name.
You may still have problems with GPOs getting applied.



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Anonymous
July 9, 2004 1:57:19 AM

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In news:o 5E53bUZEHA.3432@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl,
Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP] <admin@nospam.WFTX.US> asked for help and I
offered my suggestions below:
>> Hi,
>> You guys pointed right to the point I think. I
>> effetivlely have a single domain name.
>> I 'va found a paper talking about what you said, it
>> KB300684
>
> This will stop your 5781 events, you always have an issue with the
> single-label domain name.
> You may still have problems with GPOs getting applied.
>

And DFS if planning on using it.

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Ace

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Anonymous
July 9, 2004 1:57:20 AM

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In news:%23uOVFhVZEHA.2488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
Ace Fekay [MVP] <PleaseSubstituteMyActualFirstName&LastNameHere@hotmail.com>
posted a question
Then Kevin replied below:
> And DFS if planning on using it.

Forgot to mention that, BTW you don't have to plan on using it, you have to
use it. The SYSVOL share is a DFS share.

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Anonymous
July 9, 2004 2:19:29 AM

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In news:uVM8pqVZEHA.3716@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl,
Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP] <admin@nospam.WFTX.US> asked for help and I
offered my suggestions below:
>> And DFS if planning on using it.
>
> Forgot to mention that, BTW you don't have to plan on using it, you
> have to use it. The SYSVOL share is a DFS share.
>


I was thinking more on if planning on a DFS Root.

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Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory

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=================================
Anonymous
July 9, 2004 12:45:17 PM

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so you guys are telling that i'd have to rename my domain one day or
another, right?

is there documents that talks about this and the impacts it can have? we are
somewhat big and can't afford to go down for awhile.


Thanks

"Ace Fekay [MVP]"
<PleaseSubstituteMyActualFirstName&LastNameHere@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:%23uOVFhVZEHA.2488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> In news:o 5E53bUZEHA.3432@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl,
> Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP] <admin@nospam.WFTX.US> asked for help and I
> offered my suggestions below:
> >> Hi,
> >> You guys pointed right to the point I think. I
> >> effetivlely have a single domain name.
> >> I 'va found a paper talking about what you said, it
> >> KB300684
> >
> > This will stop your 5781 events, you always have an issue with the
> > single-label domain name.
> > You may still have problems with GPOs getting applied.
> >
>
> And DFS if planning on using it.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Ace
>
> Please direct all replies ONLY to the Microsoft public newsgroups
> so all can benefit.
>
> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees
> and confers no rights.
>
> Ace Fekay, MCSE 2000, MCSE+I, MCSA, MCT, MVP
> Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory
>
> HAM AND EGGS: A day's work for a chicken;
> A lifetime commitment for a pig.
> --
> =================================
>
>
Anonymous
July 9, 2004 12:45:18 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win2000.dns (More info?)

In news:%23PVf5JbZEHA.3016@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
Michel B. <mbruyere.nospam@ezemcanada.com> posted a question
Then Kevin replied below:
> so you guys are telling that i'd have to rename my domain
> one day or another, right?
>
> is there documents that talks about this and the impacts
> it can have? we are somewhat big and can't afford to go
> down for awhile.

Unfortunately, you can't rename a Win2k domain, but you can rename a Win2k3
domain.

In your situation, your best option is to build a parallel domain and use
ADMT to migrate all domain accounts.

--
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Anonymous
July 9, 2004 3:41:23 PM

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>
> Unfortunately, you can't rename a Win2k domain, but you can rename a
Win2k3
> domain.
>
> In your situation, your best option is to build a parallel domain and use
> ADMT to migrate all domain accounts.
>
> --

We have a monster problem doing this, we have a databse that is using
information like
domainename\username... and guess qhat... it's an ERP system ;/
Anonymous
July 9, 2004 7:22:26 PM

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In news:uJ46SscZEHA.996@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
Michel B. <mbruyere.nospam@ezemcanada.com> posted a question
Then Kevin replied below:
>> Unfortunately, you can't rename a Win2k domain, but you
>> can rename a Win2k3 domain.
>>
>> In your situation, your best option is to build a
>> parallel domain and use ADMT to migrate all domain
>> accounts.
>>
>> --
>
> We have a monster problem doing this, we have a databse
> that is using information like
> domainename\username... and guess qhat... it's an ERP
> system ;/

You're kinda stuck with your single-label domain unless you upgrade to
Win2k3 and perform a domain rename operation because you can't migrate
without trust and you can't trust two domains with the same NetBIOS name.

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Anonymous
July 10, 2004 1:52:41 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win2000.dns (More info?)

In news:uJ46SscZEHA.996@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
Michel B. <mbruyere.nospam@ezemcanada.com> asked for help and I offered my
suggestions below:
>> Unfortunately, you can't rename a Win2k domain, but you can rename a
>> Win2k3 domain.
>>
>> In your situation, your best option is to build a parallel domain
>> and use ADMT to migrate all domain accounts.
>>
>> --
>
> We have a monster problem doing this, we have a databse that is using
> information like
> domainename\username... and guess qhat... it's an ERP system ;/

I agree your best bet is to upgrade to W2k3 in order to facilitate a rename
operation. Single label names are problematic and difficult to work with
with DNS, which affects AD substantially.


Heres'a a little tidbit from a conversation between myself and a Microsoft
engineer last year concerning this. There's more if you want. I need to dig
it up.

=================
Ace Fekay [MVP] wrote:
>> problem. DNS does not play well with single label names since a
>> single label name does not depict any sort of hierarchy, since DNS
>> is hierarchal based from the leaf nodes (such as "domainname) to the
>> next level (such as "com") to the top of the tree (the dot). DNS
>> cannot handle single label names, hence the issues revolving around
>> it.
Michael Snyder [MSFT] wrote:
> Ace, just a quick comment regarding your explanation below:
>
> Registration of single label names resulted in registration attempts
> hitting the root servers from so many mis-configured networks on the
> internet that a report on W2k prior to SP4 indicated that Windows
> DDNS updates were responsible for a significant portion of traffic to
> the root servers. To be better internet citizens, W2k3, XP, and W2k
> after SP4 stopped attempting DDNS updates on single label names by
> default.
>
> The recommendation to avoid single label names is simply a
> recommendation to be a good internet citizen. The system can handle
> single label names, but we highly encourage users to avoid using them
> because it is too easy for users to create problems for themselves
> and others when they use single label names and later want to
> interoperate with other organizations over the internet.
>
> "> Depends on your scenario. If all part of the same AD domain, yes.
> If not, no

=========================

--
Regards,
Ace

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Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory

HAM AND EGGS: A day's work for a chicken;
A lifetime commitment for a pig.
--
=================================
Anonymous
July 13, 2004 12:53:11 PM

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Hi,
Thanks guys, sorry for the delay to get back to you, i was in a
hurry ;) 
You both may have given me enough ammunition to get the management to move
on to win2k3 (which i wanted for awhile, but couldn't).

Thanks i'll print the thread and present it to my manager.



"Ace Fekay [MVP]"
<PleaseSubstituteMyActualFirstName&LastNameHere@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:eyYaCXoZEHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> In news:uJ46SscZEHA.996@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
> Michel B. <mbruyere.nospam@ezemcanada.com> asked for help and I offered my
> suggestions below:
> >> Unfortunately, you can't rename a Win2k domain, but you can rename a
> >> Win2k3 domain.
> >>
> >> In your situation, your best option is to build a parallel domain
> >> and use ADMT to migrate all domain accounts.
> >>
> >> --
> >
> > We have a monster problem doing this, we have a databse that is using
> > information like
> > domainename\username... and guess qhat... it's an ERP system ;/
>
> I agree your best bet is to upgrade to W2k3 in order to facilitate a
rename
> operation. Single label names are problematic and difficult to work with
> with DNS, which affects AD substantially.
>
>
> Heres'a a little tidbit from a conversation between myself and a Microsoft
> engineer last year concerning this. There's more if you want. I need to
dig
> it up.
>
> =================
> Ace Fekay [MVP] wrote:
> >> problem. DNS does not play well with single label names since a
> >> single label name does not depict any sort of hierarchy, since DNS
> >> is hierarchal based from the leaf nodes (such as "domainname) to the
> >> next level (such as "com") to the top of the tree (the dot). DNS
> >> cannot handle single label names, hence the issues revolving around
> >> it.
> Michael Snyder [MSFT] wrote:
> > Ace, just a quick comment regarding your explanation below:
> >
> > Registration of single label names resulted in registration attempts
> > hitting the root servers from so many mis-configured networks on the
> > internet that a report on W2k prior to SP4 indicated that Windows
> > DDNS updates were responsible for a significant portion of traffic to
> > the root servers. To be better internet citizens, W2k3, XP, and W2k
> > after SP4 stopped attempting DDNS updates on single label names by
> > default.
> >
> > The recommendation to avoid single label names is simply a
> > recommendation to be a good internet citizen. The system can handle
> > single label names, but we highly encourage users to avoid using them
> > because it is too easy for users to create problems for themselves
> > and others when they use single label names and later want to
> > interoperate with other organizations over the internet.
> >
> > "> Depends on your scenario. If all part of the same AD domain, yes.
> > If not, no
>
> =========================
>
> --
> Regards,
> Ace
>
> Please direct all replies ONLY to the Microsoft public newsgroups
> so all can benefit.
>
> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees
> and confers no rights.
>
> Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT, MVP
> Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory
>
> HAM AND EGGS: A day's work for a chicken;
> A lifetime commitment for a pig.
> --
> =================================
>
>
Anonymous
July 15, 2004 3:25:00 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win2000.dns (More info?)

In news:o onZYwdaEHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
Michel B. <mbruyere.nospam@ezemcanada.com> asked for help and I offered my
suggestions below:
> Hi,
> Thanks guys, sorry for the delay to get back to you, i was in
> a hurry ;) 
> You both may have given me enough ammunition to get the management to
> move on to win2k3 (which i wanted for awhile, but couldn't).
>
> Thanks i'll print the thread and present it to my manager.
>

Good luck. I have more on this subject with multiple threads pasted into one
post from the past. If interested, let me know. I'll post it.

--
Regards,
Ace

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Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory

HAM AND EGGS: A day's work for a chicken;
A lifetime commitment for a pig.
--
=================================
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