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> Refills have one purpose...to reduce the cost of ownership. If you eat
> into those cost savings, you're not getting what you wanted.
Refills serve many purposes.
1. Cost savings - the case *most* of the time not always true (see
inks above $12ish/oz).
2. Ink features - lightfastness, color (or multi-level gray),
waterfastness , dry speed, You want Andgraph ink but can't afford one
of their printers
3. Tree hugging - you want to reduce the amount of plastic you waste.
{just to name a few}
One *should* consider the printhead as cost of ownership, than make the
choice whether it's worth it to keep the printer or toss the printer.
If a new printhead keeps it in service for a few more years you still
saved money. In the case of this old canon bj-2100 pulling the
printhead and dipping it in windex saves money.
>I don't get it...you prefer to spend 80% of the cost of a new printer on
>a printhead that is only warranted for 90 days over a whole new printer
>that has a 1 year warranty, new ink tanks, and all new parts...?
>Am I in an alternate universe?
Do you're not. Chances are that I would not enjoy spending 80% the
value on a new printer. It would be a choice that I would make if it
became an issue. I can think of a few reason's I would.
1. Features - Like CD printing if I couldn't get it in a new printer.
2. Uptime - if I actually do need a printhead I could keep one in
stock and it takes up less space than a new printer.
3. Formfactor- While not an inkjet, the Panasonic is smaller than an
inkjet or any other printer. The "process unit" cost about 80% of a
base laser. Or heck... if I really want a printer that is flat on top
just so I have a place for my latté... I have that choice.
4. Learning curve - Got some cool color profiles on one printer you
took a while to develop... would you throw out that printer so quickly?
{just to name a few}
Just because someone doesn't share your point of view doesn't make
theirs any less valid.
> I'm sorry, but since when did lasers become even CLOSE to inkjets in
> consumable costs per page...?
Since it was discoered that people like your self automaticly assume
lasers are always cheaper. In the days of the 5000p yeild ttoner
cartridges, this was always true. Today with yields in the 1500p
range... it just isn't always true anymore.
-imageCLASS- AIO lasers (letter sized)
MSRP Model Toner Street price
$349 - D320 - S35 - $120/3500p - 3.4c/page 1yr warranty exchange
$599 - D860 - L50 3yr warranty 1yr on site
$699 - D880 - L50 - $150/5000p - 3c/page 3yr warranty 1yr on site
Toner for D320
S35 $131.89/3,500p=3.7c/page
Black/canon/inkjet/ip3000/4000/5000
BCI-3eBK=$13/500p=2.6c/page
If you print only BCI-3eBK, and you need a new head after 15 refills
and save $5 per refill... the cost ends up being equal to the the toner
cart for the D320, assuming you you even buy it. Even taken this into
account, the cost per page on the canon is pretty low. On this issue
i'll continue to diagree. This isn't to say I wouldn't consider an HP,
some of those high yield blacks int the 800p range are nice and a
reasonable price. This isn't Canon marketing but rather a human who
did the math.
But needless to say you can not use the blanket statement that lasers
are cheaper to operatate than inkjets. It's mostly true.
> >I wouldn't call 1500 character courier 10cpi typical at all. It
> >wasn't even typical in the days of dot matrix from where this standard
> >started. 4500 char/page is closer to reality.
> It doesn't matter.
> Life expectancy is NOT the issue here. Whether it's 1500 or 4500 doesn't
> matter. Replacement cost is the issue
You were the one who make it a point to say 18,000p, 18,000p. Clearly
you did care.
That's a narrow view point, I thought cost of ownership / cost of
replacement was paramount, or quality of output or life of prints
depending on your point of view. If someone wants to replace their
printhead even though they are only saving a few dollars, I say great!
More power to them. I'd say my niece is nuts for even wanting to keep
a Canon BJ-2100 in service.. but she's too cheap to buy a new one.
I have no accurate info on when the head needs replacement other than
Canon's numbers. I don't know anyone personaly who has needed to, and
some joe on the net doesn't count. But based on Canon's numbers I
estamte 15 refills is about the limit of their estimated life, which
would add about $1.00 per cart per ownership. Or hey, replace the
entire printer if you like.