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August 16, 2006 9:38:20 PM

Please help me on this:

I read recently the Toms hardware x1900 GT Tale of two cards article. The Sapphire and Powercolor are both factory stocked and so is the Connect 3D model, the card that i am currentlly thinking about getting because of the 100 dollar rebate available via newegg.

But, just when tomshardware made x1900 GT a good buy over the 7900 GT for the popular resolutions of 1024x and 1280x, i found this website read the whole article and their tests proved nvidia's 7900 GT to be the victor even in the 1024 and the 1280 resolution categories in most of the same games tested on toms. I am aware that maybe the different systems they used might have had influence or the settings used, but it seems both sites have used settings players would be interested in.

http://www.pureoverclock.com/article36-1.html

These are the cheapest cards i found for price/performance on newegg, please help me decide between these two.

Connect 3D x1900GT $200 dollars
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

MSI 7900GT Overclocked $240
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

I have heard about the noise from the 7900GT but the heat problems with the x1900GT, i know that excessive heat can cause loss in performance, please take this into consideration and also if there are any other video card deals underneath the 300 dollar mark that prove to be better than these solutions please feel free to post them.

Thanks for reading my plea for help.
August 16, 2006 9:44:00 PM

Get the X1800 XT.

Better than both at stock speeds, and newegg has em for $200.
a b U Graphics card
August 17, 2006 1:56:03 AM

Yup, ditto what Cleeve said; X1800XT > X1900GT and it's $200 with out the $100 rebate even.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Other sub $300 card to consider is the even faster X1900XT (not GT). The MSI and Connect3d are both under $300 AR.

Don't worry about the extra heat on the XT's as the cards handle it well and the dual slot coolers pump the heat out of the case rather than circulate it within like single slot coolers.
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August 17, 2006 1:58:49 AM

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Get the X1800 XT.

Better than both at stock speeds, and newegg has em for $200.


how come it is better? http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/09/a_tale_of_two_gt... says there its a better buy thant the 7900gt.. im in the same situation, im actually stuck between the x1800xt and x1900gt.. the 7900gt is a tad expensive, help!
a b U Graphics card
August 17, 2006 2:19:23 AM

Like Cleeve said (in another thread), the X1800XT outperforms the the X1900GT in just about everything, and often it's by a wide margain.

Take a look at the high resolution AA+AF benchies in this review and you can see even a 256MB X1800XT hold a big advantage over a X1900GT.

http://legionhardware.com/document.php?id=550


For example,
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=550&p=5
in Farcry 1600x1200 with AA/AF, the 7900GT and X1900GT drop off big time, while the X1800XT laughs and begs for more.
August 17, 2006 4:42:09 AM

How does the x1800XT get a higher FPS on 1600x1200 with AA and FSAA enabled then it does on 1280x1024.

I say either the X1800XT or the 1900XT if you ask me i would go for the X1900XT as it has 48 shader processers and i think im not sure the X1800 series doesnt.
a b U Graphics card
August 17, 2006 5:26:09 AM

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How does the x1800XT get a higher FPS on 1600x1200 with AA and FSAA enabled then it does on 1280x1024.

Well, a fraction of one frame per second is hardly faster, But reason for it is that It's Still CPU bottlenecked with their test systems (A64 3800+) even at 16x12 4x/16x. It takes HDR or at least HQAF (or probably a faster system like a Conroe) to GPU bottleneck the X1800XT in farcry If their test system was faster, you may have seen the X1800XT pull away at other settings also. But I know my framerates sit around 70fps at 16x12 6xaa/16xaf with a slightly faster system than theirs. Using either HDR or HQAF lowers the fps though but otherwise farcry is a breeze for the X1800XT.
August 17, 2006 5:44:14 AM

when you say the x1800xt would be better than the x1900GT are you talking about the 256mb version?
a b U Graphics card
August 17, 2006 6:48:56 AM

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when you say the x1800xt would be better than the x1900GT are you talking about the 256mb version?

Sure. The 512MB isn't worth it, priced to close to the X1900XT.

Look over the legion hardware links I posted above. They used the 256MB version in that review that is $200 at newegg. Same as the one in my sig.
August 17, 2006 2:34:55 PM

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if you ask me i would go for the X1900XT as it has 48 shader processers and i think im not sure the X1800 series doesnt.


And if you ask me, I'd go with the X1800 XT because the X19000 GT memory is horribly crippled (500 Mhz) compared to the X1800 XT memory which is excellent (750 Mhz)...

That's why the X1800 XT eats the X1900 GT. PLus, the X1900 GT might have 36 shaders, but it only has 12 TMUs. The X1800 XT has 16 TMUs, and these cards are more texture limited than shader limited...
August 17, 2006 3:40:16 PM

I think you miss read my post Cleeve i said X1900XT!!! not the X1900GT the GT is a piece of marketing sh*t. 250 bucks when you can buy an X1800XT from sapphire for only 200 bucks and its much better
August 17, 2006 3:53:54 PM

Get the 1900xt on new egg for 200 bones now with $100 mail in.
August 17, 2006 4:00:20 PM

Ah sorry, I was looking at the title of the thread.

Yeah, the X1900 XT is much better than the X1800 XT. But it's more money though.

If you can afford to wait for the rebate check, that X1900 XT is an awesome deal.
August 17, 2006 8:28:05 PM

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Like Cleeve said (in another thread), the X1800XT outperforms the the X1900GT in just about everything, and often it's by a wide margain.

Take a look at the high resolution AA+AF benchies in this review and you can see even a 256MB X1800XT hold a big advantage over a X1900GT.

http://legionhardware.com/document.php?id=550


For example,
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=550&p=5
in Farcry 1600x1200 with AA/AF, the 7900GT and X1900GT drop off big time, while the X1800XT laughs and begs for more.


i run at low resolution like 1024 x 768 or 1280 x 1024
August 17, 2006 9:13:20 PM

Regardless, the high-res benches give an indication of how your card will perform when pushed, and how they might handle future titles that take them to the limit.

Any of these cards will deliver fantastic framerates at 1024x768, in fact they're all probably overkill for that resolution.
August 17, 2006 10:10:50 PM

im wondering, is it worth getting 1gb of ram and an x1900xt or 2gbs of ram and an x1800xt?.. i have decided i will get the x1800xt over the x1900gt, so now im just wondering, 1gb and x1900xt or 2gbs and x1800xt
a b U Graphics card
August 17, 2006 10:41:33 PM

If you play BF2, you will want 2GB to smooth things out.
August 17, 2006 10:44:59 PM

yeah, im also leaning towards the two gbs, i believe itll come in handy down the road
August 17, 2006 11:02:18 PM

not to shabby
a b U Graphics card
August 17, 2006 11:04:54 PM

The lack of pics and info is scary though. 8O
August 17, 2006 11:07:58 PM

lol. yeah, i know what you mean.

you better not order that. i tried navigating to that card but it seems that page that i posted was outdated. (damn pricegrabber)


well..... after a little bit more looking it seems that the card is in the "Unclassified" section. i have no idea why its there.
August 17, 2006 11:56:26 PM

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The lack of pics and info is scary though. 8O


indeed.. and its a tad to pricey..
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