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HP Boasts About PC Assembly in the Good Ole USA

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December 10, 2012 5:05:19 PM

This shouldn't be news, it should be the STANDARD of business for american companies. It's like Banks announcing that they no longer intend to rob you... As if that is some innovation, rather than correcting a decades long mistake.
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December 10, 2012 5:07:30 PM

Go HP! I guess...
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December 10, 2012 5:14:15 PM

So what is the big deal? Just seems odd that HP has to proclaim "me, too" or "we did it first". Doesn't speak well for their relevance.

Good for HP. Good for Apple. Good for the ol' USA!


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December 10, 2012 5:15:43 PM

COLGeekSo what is the big deal? Just seems odd that HP has to proclaim "me, too" or "we did it first". Doesn't speak well for their relevance.Good for HP. Good for Apple. Good for the ol' USA!

It could just be their way of saying that what Apple is doing is not new or special at all cause a lot of places seem to think it is for some reason.
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December 10, 2012 5:27:52 PM

I've assembled all of my PCs in the USA too. Does that mean I'm special and get a cookie?
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December 10, 2012 5:31:38 PM

the problem is that I always have issues with hp lappy's. don't know why, but the power ports aren't that great and I find that IT type support for them is a bit of a pain. ASUS, however, I like :p .
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December 10, 2012 5:32:01 PM

It's the biggest scam there is, "assembled in the US" but "built" in Asia. If Apple told people how many hundreds of millions if not billions they save on taxes by making their parts out of the US, people wouldn't be so gun-ho about them. To be fair all technology is being made out of the US, but it would be nice if they could bring it here, I'm sure many of the millions of people out of work would rather work minimum wage 60 hours a week making iPads then not making any money.
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December 10, 2012 5:49:54 PM

If country A designs and sells goods and, despite higher cost, moves manufacturing from country B back to country A; in the long run, will not country C design equivalents and utilize the cheaper manufacturing of country B and push country A completely out of the market?

Seems like basic economics, or am I missing something?
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December 10, 2012 5:50:57 PM

kawininjazxI'm sure many of the millions of people out of work would rather work minimum wage 60 hours a week making iPads then not making any money.


You really think so? I'd give it 6 months and there would be an "electronic assemblers labor union" and they'd screw the companies over until they move back to China... No way any large amount of americans would work 60 hours/week of minimum wage.
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December 10, 2012 6:02:08 PM

dark_knight33This shouldn't be news, it should be the STANDARD of business for american companies. It's like Banks announcing that they no longer intend to rob you... As if that is some innovation, rather than correcting a decades long mistake.


no, with big brand computers like this, id rather them be made overseas, at least that way when they crap out enmass it looks like it was crappy asian parts, appose to crappy america manufacturing when they break due to the asinine cost cutting decisions in the psu and motherboard.

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December 10, 2012 6:38:20 PM

kawininjazx...I'm sure many of the millions of people out of work would rather work minimum wage 60 hours a week making iPads then not making any money.


Ask the union at Hostess.

Also factory workers make over double minimum wage on average in the US.
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December 10, 2012 6:42:23 PM

remc86007If country A designs and sells goods and, despite higher cost, moves manufacturing from country B back to country A; in the long run, will not country C design equivalents and utilize the cheaper manufacturing of country B and push country A completely out of the market?Seems like basic economics, or am I missing something?


Except that Country A wich in this case is apple is very overpriced and doesn`t really play basic economics because they are slowly being pushed out of the market but do you see them lowering the prices so that they can be more competitive ? No ... they are still keeping their huge margins and make their cash pile as big as possible.
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December 10, 2012 6:55:20 PM

velocityg4Ask the union at Hostess.Also factory workers make over double minimum wage on average in the US.


I am completely against the union thugs that destroy all these companies. Because the people who make PC components now don't make a ton of money, if they brought production into the US, the workers would likely only get minimum wage, but they could allow people to work up to 60 hours a week, that would be about $1740/month gross, which a couple would bring home about $2800/month easy, which they could live off of if they didn't go out to eat and pop out 9 kids.
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December 10, 2012 7:33:51 PM

This is a joke right? Your "Made in the USA" PC contains a CPU made in Costa Rica, a Taiwanese motherboard using Japanese capacitors, and a hard drive made in Thailand. What's American about that?
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December 10, 2012 7:33:57 PM

dark_knight33This shouldn't be news, it should be the STANDARD of business for american companies. It's like Banks announcing that they no longer intend to rob you... As if that is some innovation, rather than correcting a decades long mistake.


wisest thing I've heard in 2012
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December 10, 2012 7:34:35 PM

velocityg4Ask the union at Hostess.Also factory workers make over double minimum wage on average in the US.


sounds like you think they shouldn't
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December 10, 2012 7:36:52 PM

remc86007If country A designs and sells goods and, despite higher cost, moves manufacturing from country B back to country A; in the long run, will not country C design equivalents and utilize the cheaper manufacturing of country B and push country A completely out of the market?Seems like basic economics, or am I missing something?


Your missing a mind concern of being outdone isn't the reason to stop doing what your doing.

If the product a is better than product c at the same thing then you have something to think about while knowing the answer to your question
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December 10, 2012 7:37:44 PM

larkspurI've assembled all of my PCs in the USA too. Does that mean I'm special and get a cookie?


if you bought parts made in USA then yes you do
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December 10, 2012 7:39:43 PM

samwelayeYou really think so? I'd give it 6 months and there would be an "electronic assemblers labor union" and they'd screw the companies over until they move back to China... No way any large amount of americans would work 60 hours/week of minimum wage.


By screw you mean stand up for rights as opposed to put up nets to prevent suicide?

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December 10, 2012 7:42:14 PM

kawininjazxI am completely against the union thugs that destroy all these companies. Because the people who make PC components now don't make a ton of money, if they brought production into the US, the workers would likely only get minimum wage, but they could allow people to work up to 60 hours a week, that would be about $1740/month gross, which a couple would bring home about $2800/month easy, which they could live off of if they didn't go out to eat and pop out 9 kids.



your an idiot that will never retire with a pension but enjoy it while you can

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December 10, 2012 8:26:08 PM

The main problem is that without incentives, you cannot expect the majority of businesses to do the ethical choice or the right choice for their country. We used to have import taxes/tariffs in order to stop the excessive flow of foreign made goods into the country. Now the lowest paid foreign worker competes directly with all the wage earners of the world. Guess where most business will go? Check out the made in tag or sticker. If you had real low unemployment, then you could see wages and job security increase to offset any import taxes that may be needed to make a product.

We need to move the factory jobs back to America to balance out the job losses. The middle class in America starts from $22,300.00 to $25,000 per year. The factory jobs that were plentiful in the past made a healthy middle class that paid taxes and created realistically low unemployment numbers. Nine out of ten products used to be made in America in the 1960s before the government opened the doors to foreign imports without tariffs and pushed for the global economy to make every American worker compete with the salaries of third world countries. We have fake unemployment numbers in order to push the global economy.
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December 10, 2012 9:21:22 PM

kawininjazxI'm sure many of the millions of people out of work would rather work minimum wage 60 hours a week making iPads then not making any money.


But wouldn't it be better to NOT work and still get money?

Minimum wage is roughly $8 per hour. Working 60 hours a week yields $480. Unemployment insurance in California is $475 per week.

Let me see...work my ass off and get $480? Or just hang out, spend time with family and friends, sleep til noon, eat, watch TV, play some games, for $475?

The choice is obvious.
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December 10, 2012 9:23:05 PM

HP's Indianapolis operations are actually in Plainfield, IN, a small town outside of Indy in a Foxconn plant. They used to be all around the country including Indy until Carly decided to outsource all PC manufacturing operations.
The workers who assemble the computers in Plainfield are practically all "temp" staff employed by temp agencies. Pay is around $8/h with no benefits. Work force is maybe 80% Latino. The facility's closest competition is not from Apple or Dell, but from Foxconn's other facilities in Mexico, in cities like Juarez, and a couple others that I can't remember right now.
The cut-throat business plan enacted by Foxconn ensures that the workers will never have a union, and that pay will never come anywhere near those typical in the industry. Not just for the temp employees but full time Foxconn employees as well. Management and Engineering has been at least 50% foreign, with Taiwanese having the highest preference. The number of US citizens employed in the building is at most 10%. The rest are work-visa & green card holders.
They are "American" jobs, but great jobs they are not.
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December 10, 2012 9:25:43 PM

So I guess Obama's "socialist/liberal/anti-business" policies are bringing all of the jobs back that left America during the "glory years" of Bush 2.0?

Or are you just going to revise history and believe that the Bush years weren't that bad, the unemployment figures must be fake if Obama's are better than Bush's, and that Bush's $4.00-$5.00 a gallon gas wasn't as bad as Obama's $3.00-$4.00 gas?

As a senior level 10+ year IT guy, I believe the jobs numbers, I get called or emailed about 5 different jobs every single day from recruiters I usually don't even know personally, they can't find enough people to fill all of these jobs. I haven't been unemployed for a single day since Obama took office, despite switching jobs 4 times since then (all because they lured me out of my current job for substantially more money, of course). During the Bush years, I was drawing unemployment for about 3 months out of every year inbetween whatever contract work I could find, and rarely ever managed a raise, and the raises I did get were only about $1-$3 an hour.
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December 10, 2012 10:17:13 PM

samwelayeYou really think so? I'd give it 6 months and there would be an "electronic assemblers labor union" and they'd screw the companies over until they move back to China... No way any large amount of americans would work 60 hours/week of minimum wage.


Because they wouldn't be able to live off it. Idiot.
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December 10, 2012 10:18:54 PM

Because trading with other countries is sooooo bad!



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December 10, 2012 10:25:40 PM

I love how people want US workers to have jobs & don't give two shits about Chinese workers (who work hard as hell). You would rather an American get paid more & live lavishly than a Chinese worker? Because they don't need for or shelter right? They have SOOO many jobs right?...
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December 10, 2012 10:54:31 PM

Madjimms: I don't care about the Chinese, and they don't care about me. They can take care of themselves, and if they can't it's not my job to take care of them.

Maybe if they'd stop being such pussies and demand better conditions and more freedom, they wouldn't be in the position they're in. It's not my job to send them money or demand better conditions for them. How about they develop some personal responsibility for their own destiny? If the American colonists of the 1700s were still under British rule today and working in Foxconn factories at slave wages, we'd live in a very different world today.
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December 10, 2012 11:10:38 PM

Bring the TECH SUPPORT stateside, then we'll talk. That's way more valuable to me than where it was assembled.
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December 11, 2012 12:21:55 AM

blurr91But wouldn't it be better to NOT work and still get money?Minimum wage is roughly $8 per hour. Working 60 hours a week yields $480. Unemployment insurance in California is $475 per week.Let me see...work my ass off and get $480? Or just hang out, spend time with family and friends, sleep til noon, eat, watch TV, play some games, for $475?The choice is obvious.

See, there shouldn't be such a choice. If we didn't make it so easy to freeload, we wouldn't have so many freeloaders. The problem is that it's hard to differentiate people who are lazy freeloaders (I knew a good few) from those who are legitimately having difficulty finding work. Unfortunetely, there's no easy fix and little incentive to work until you're pushed into it.
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December 11, 2012 12:23:35 AM

Actually, the deal here is that the assembly process has become so highly automated for some products that it's becoming cheaper to sub-contract a line run by a few people in the US than pay the cost for an army of workers over in Asia. Also note the pay/benefits demands of the army of workers over in Japan, Korea, China, etc have risen over time.
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December 11, 2012 2:02:23 AM

"Outsourcing is great because I can get things for cheaper than having to pay for silly american unions" What a simplistic way to view a far more complex situation.

First of all, they cannot jack up the prices suddenly just because assembly costs more. That is not how a market prices things. Assembly cost doesn't determine the market value. If PCs suddenly cost 4k people would not buy them, sales would be lost, and their profits would dwindle more than if they had sold the items at a loss. There would be an eventual price hike over time, but initially that cost would come off the companies profit margins, thus costing the overpaid CEOs their million dollar bonuses. The taxes that are now being paid at that point would be reinvested into helping to fix our massive national debt, unless YOU want to be the one that gets the tax hike for it. Someone has to pay their taxes. Is it going to be Tim Cook, or is it going to be You? While you're paying Tim's taxes, feel free to work without health insurance at whatever hours your employer wants you to for little to no money since you are against unions protecting worker rights.

But I said an eventual price hike, you want things to just keep getting cheaper? The problem with that is that when things get cheaper and the market value lessens, that becomes the standard. WalMart used outsourcing to provide cheaper goods, forcing every other retailer to lower their standards of quality just to compete. The minimum wage has become dependent on outsourced goods. They aren't going to pay you enough to buy farm raised beef at a premium when you can get genetically engineered mutant cow meat for cheaper.

By becoming a part of the world economy, we are rotting our economy. The world doesn't care if the US collapses, they just care about how much backlash they would get.
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December 11, 2012 2:29:41 AM

MadjimmsI love how people want US workers to have jobs & don't give two shits about Chinese workers (who work hard as hell). You would rather an American get paid more & live lavishly than a Chinese worker? Because they don't need for or shelter right? They have SOOO many jobs right?...


so why not pay them a whole lot less right? That's fair for everyone
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December 11, 2012 1:03:29 PM

Well that explains why their hard drives are crap (samsung) and why their quality is even worse than crap. Because American workers are needly, lazy and generally want a medal for everything they do. And yes I am from and live in the US of A. HP's quality is crap in the business market. They get business by offering lower prices at a price of standard quality degredation.
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December 11, 2012 1:11:58 PM

sorry above commeht should've been SEAGATE as they make the crapiest (and cheapest) hard drives on the market.
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