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August 18, 2006 10:32:38 PM

My dad was going to buy a new Computer from Dell yesterday. He kept telling me he wanted a Conroe.

So before he makes his purchase I glance at the shopping cart, he configured a computer with the Pent 840 D!

It took me like ten minutes minutes to convince him that he was not picking up the same chip all his peers at work were drooling over.

people see pentium D and assume Core2Duo.

thats why the people at intel are marketing Geniuses

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August 18, 2006 10:50:06 PM

...and this is Intel's fault because...???
August 18, 2006 10:54:37 PM

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...and this is Intel's fault because...???


Because his dad's an idiot and knows nothing about PC's and ..... come to think of it it's just the OP's dad's fault.....
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August 18, 2006 11:06:23 PM

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...and this is Intel's fault because...???


Did I ever say that this was intels fault. Does it say that in my thread??? You know what? Its your fault. Yea thats right I just made it your fault.

All the post said was that Intel had a very good marketing technique. Is that ok buddy?
August 18, 2006 11:09:25 PM

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...and this is Intel's fault because...???


Did I ever say that this was intels fault. Does it say that in my thread??? You know what? Its your fault. Yea thats right I just made it your fault.

All the post said was that Intel had a very good marketing technique. Is that ok buddy?

Because your dad doesn't know the difference between a Core 2 Duo and a P4 it's Intel's problem? You said it was "Genius marketing at Intel" which insinuates that you think their marketing is crap and you think it's their fault. You put your foot in your mouth. Just deal with it.
August 18, 2006 11:25:57 PM

The "..." does rather infer sarcasm/irony. Therefore, in pointing out this really had nothing to do with Intel, just your dad's mistake, is there really a point? I'm sure when the Ipod came out some people bought el cheapo players just to get on the MP3 bandwagon, but it's not Apple's problem.
Synergy6
August 18, 2006 11:42:13 PM

The real trickery is that people get 'core 2 duo' and 'core duo' confused.... Commoners don't know their is a major difference between them.... Intel did that on purpose....

And lets not forget the pentiumHT - which came after AMD's HT(Hyper Transport) technology.... Intel also did that to confuse people....
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August 18, 2006 11:45:01 PM

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My dad was going to buy a new Computer from Dell yesterday. He kept telling me he wanted a Conroe.

So before he makes his purchase I glance at the shopping cart, he configured a computer with the Pent 840 D!

It took me like ten minutes minutes to convince him that he was not picking up the same chip all his peers at work were drooling over.

people see pentium D and assume Core2Duo.

thats why the people at intel are marketing Geniuses


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August 18, 2006 11:45:03 PM

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The real trickery is that people get 'core 2 duo' and 'core duo' confused.... They don't know their is a major difference between them.... Intel did that on purpose....


Perhaps. But you need to look at it from a brand point of view. Having two similar names builds up recognition for both products.
August 18, 2006 11:45:45 PM

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The real trickery is that people get 'core 2 duo' and 'core duo' confused.... They don't know their is a major difference between them.... Intel did that on purpose....


Yes, the dirty capitalist pigs. Sony and their PS2, Intel again with the P2/3/4, game developers and their "[Name here] 2" sequels. Double damn to Squaresoft and Final Fantasy... up to 11 and 12 now.

Damn all these companies for not anticipating that customers can't tell the difference between numbers and not numbers.

Synergy6
August 18, 2006 11:46:44 PM

If I recall, the 3.06 Pentium 4 was hyperthreading capable. This came out before the Athlon 64 was out.
August 18, 2006 11:46:56 PM

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The real trickery is that people get 'core 2 duo' and 'core duo' confused.... They don't know their is a major difference between them.... Intel did that on purpose....


Yes, the dirty capitalist pigs. Sony and their PS2, Intel again with the P2/3/4, game developers and their "[Name here] 2" sequels. Double damn to Squaresoft and Final Fantasy... up to 11 and 12 now.

Damn all these companies for not anticipating that customers can't tell the difference between numbers and not numbers.

Synergy6

I tried to say that above but failed miserably :p 
August 18, 2006 11:50:18 PM

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Because your dad doesn't know the difference between a Core 2 Duo and a P4 it's Intel's problem?


I never said this. You assumed this. And as a side note, Manufacturers do have a responsibility to the consumer.
August 18, 2006 11:50:48 PM

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The real trickery is that people get 'core 2 duo' and 'core duo' confused.... They don't know their is a major difference between them.... Intel did that on purpose....


Yes, the dirty capitalist pigs. Sony and their PS2, Intel again with the P2/3/4, game developers and their "[Name here] 2" sequels. Double damn to Squaresoft and Final Fantasy... up to 11 and 12 now.

Damn all these companies for not anticipating that customers can't tell the difference between numbers and not numbers.

Synergy6

Not the same thing.... People have been automatically thinking pentium for years now, so when their buddy tells them get one of those new 'core chips'(their buddy meant core 2) - they don't know their are 2 different cores.... YET.... Yes they will figure it out by core 3....

Another way for me to say this is:
they came out with 'core' & 'core 2' so close together - people don't know there are 2 models....
August 18, 2006 11:53:35 PM

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Because your dad doesn't know the difference between a Core 2 Duo and a P4 it's Intel's problem?


I never said this. You assumed this. And as a side note, Manufacturers do have a responsibility to the consumer.


Responsibility??

Dear Porsche,

I bought an 80's Porsche 944 and thought it'd be as fast as a brand new 911 Turbo. Please give me a brand new 911 Turbo so my dreams can be fulfilled.

Yours sincerely

Some Vaginal Noob
August 18, 2006 11:56:08 PM

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Responsibility??

Dear Porsche,

I bought an 80's Porsche 944 and thought it'd be as fast as a brand new 911 Turbo. Please give me a brand new 911 Turbo so my dreams can be fulfilled.

Yours sincerely

Some Vaginal Noob



Dear GM

I got into a car accident because your cars brakes locked up on the freeway

I will be suing you shortly and you will be paying me money.
August 18, 2006 11:58:49 PM

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Responsibility??

Dear Porsche,

I bought an 80's Porsche 944 and thought it'd be as fast as a brand new 911 Turbo. Please give me a brand new 911 Turbo so my dreams can be fulfilled.

Yours sincerely

Some Vaginal Noob



Dear GM

I got into a car accident because your cars brakes locked up on the freeway

I will be suing you shortly and you will be paying me money.

Yes..... because GM did something wrong. Neither Porsche (nor Intel for that matter) have done anything wrong and don't owe you squat.

Why do people always blame someone else for their problems??????
August 18, 2006 11:59:05 PM

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The real trickery is that people get 'core 2 duo' and 'core duo' confused.... They don't know their is a major difference between them.... Intel did that on purpose....


Yes, the dirty capitalist pigs. Sony and their PS2, Intel again with the P2/3/4, game developers and their "[Name here] 2" sequels. Double damn to Squaresoft and Final Fantasy... up to 11 and 12 now.

Damn all these companies for not anticipating that customers can't tell the difference between numbers and not numbers.

Synergy6

Not the same thing.... People have been automatically thinking pentium for years now, so when their buddy tells them get one of those new 'core chips'(their buddy meant core 2) - they don't know their are 2 different cores.... YET.... Yes they will figure it out by core 3....

If someone doesn't know the different between a Preshott and a Core2 Duo then they're hardly going to realise the difference after they buy a prebuilt system with a nice shiney new XP install. It's going to be a fast rig.

It's not like the jump between a Playstation 1 and Playstation 2. To most people it's not a difference they can see.
August 19, 2006 12:03:06 AM

I have been watching these forums for about a year now but have never felt the urge to get involved, until now!! The reason I have not got involved is because the vast majority of threads end up in arguments with people just flaming each other and basically getting nowhere. The reason for this, as far as I am concerned, is rude, ignorant halfwits like bixplus and 306maxi. Not only do you completely miss the point of the thread but the third post is slagging off the original poster's father. Where the f**k do you people get off?? Personally, the likes of you should be banned until you have the courtesy to respond with some degree of respect for others. I would suggest that if you have nothing constructive to say then just shut the f**k up as people are not interested in your ignorance and blatant stupidity.
August 19, 2006 12:05:21 AM

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The real trickery is that people get 'core 2 duo' and 'core duo' confused.... They don't know their is a major difference between them.... Intel did that on purpose....


Yes, the dirty capitalist pigs. Sony and their PS2, Intel again with the P2/3/4, game developers and their "[Name here] 2" sequels. Double damn to Squaresoft and Final Fantasy... up to 11 and 12 now.

Damn all these companies for not anticipating that customers can't tell the difference between numbers and not numbers.

Synergy6

Not the same thing.... People have been automatically thinking pentium for years now, so when their buddy tells them get one of those new 'core chips'(their buddy meant core 2) - they don't know their are 2 different cores.... YET.... Yes they will figure it out by core 3....

If someone doesn't know the different between a Preshott and a Core2 Duo then they're hardly going to realise the difference after they buy a prebuilt system with a nice shiney new XP install. It's going to be a fast rig.

It's not like the jump between a Playstation 1 and Playstation 2. To most people it's not a difference they can see.

good point!!!!
But they may overpay for a core1 - thinking it is the hot chip their buddy told them about.... So it is still sneaky to come out with 2 core models so close together time wise....

ps. isn't a core1 really a pentium with another name?
August 19, 2006 12:07:59 AM

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Not the same thing.... People have been automatically thinking pentium for years now, so when their buddy tells them get one of those new 'core chips'(their buddy meant core 2) - they don't know their are 2 different cores.... YET.... Yes they will figure it out by core 3....

Another way for me to say this is:
they came out with 'core' & 'core 2' so close together - people don't know there are 2 models....


Yes. So they should have a) NOT released a processor so soon that turned the market on its head by making a $999 CPU worth about $180 or b) thrown away the brand they're trying to create. When the P2 came out, did you whine about how close it was to "Pentium"? Or how close the "AMD 4200+ 939 X2 CPU Retail w/ Fan" sounds to the "AMD 4200+ AM2 X2 CPU Retail w/ Fan", even though if you buy the wrong one it probably won't fit your motherboard?

I subscribe to the "Natural selection by removing 90% of safety labels" philosophy. If your dad tried to buy a "Core2Duo" by buying something with "Pentium D" written on it... there's a lizard waiting.

Synergy6
August 19, 2006 12:08:21 AM

and how would you put a Core 1 in a desk-top system?

Core 1 is Yonah. It is not a Pentium.
August 19, 2006 12:10:53 AM

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I have been watching these forums for about a year now but have never felt the urge to get involved, until now!! The reason I have not got involved is because the vast majority of threads end up in arguments with people just flaming each other and basically getting nowhere. The reason for this, as far as I am concerned, is rude, ignorant halfwits like bixplus and 306maxi. Not only do you completely miss the point of the thread but the third post is slagging off the original poster's father. Where the f**k do you people get off?? Personally, the likes of you should be banned until you have the courtesy to respond with some degree of respect for others. I would suggest that if you have nothing constructive to say then just shut the f**k up as people are not interested in your ignorance and blatant stupidity.


Granted that calling his father an "idiot" was harsh. But this guy is blaming Intel for something that's not their doing. What is the point of the thread if not to somehow insinuate that Intel are being deceptive.

If the posted said "Hey look here's an amusing story about my dad getting confused between two different generations of CPU" that would be fine. But he didn't. It's like using the Porsche example I gave. The responsibility lays mostly with a customer unless the manufacturer is deceptive in some way.

This sort of experience is exactly why you have HP, Compaq, Dell and the rest building PC's so that people generally get what they want as opposed to ordering parts over the internet and making a wrong choice based on misinformation.
August 19, 2006 12:12:09 AM

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I have been watching these forums for about a year now but have never felt the urge to get involved, until now!! The reason I have not got involved is because the vast majority of threads end up in arguments with people just flaming each other and basically getting nowhere. The reason for this, as far as I am concerned, is rude, ignorant halfwits like bixplus and 306maxi. Not only do you completely miss the point of the thread but the third post is slagging off the original poster's father. Where the f**k do you people get off?? Personally, the likes of you should be banned until you have the courtesy to respond with some degree of respect for others. I would suggest that if you have nothing constructive to say then just shut the f**k up as people are not interested in your ignorance and blatant stupidity.


Harsh? Yes. True? Yes. If somebody wanted to buy a Porsche Carrera GT, to touch on an earlier example, and came away with a Porsche Boxster due to ignorance, I would not walk up to them and call them a moronic idiot. That doesn't change the fact that.. they are pretty idiotic.

I mean, I could *kinda* understand mixing up CoreDuo and Core2Duo, but Core2Duo and PentiumD? No sympathy here.
Synergy6
August 19, 2006 12:14:39 AM

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and how would you put a Core 1 in a desktop system?


Don't get your point? We are talking about people that buy complete systems, and are not as knowlegeable as us....

PC Laptops will soon have Core 1 & core 2....
Apple put the Core 1 in desktops for them....
August 19, 2006 12:14:57 AM

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I have been watching these forums for about a year now but have never felt the urge to get involved, until now!! The reason I have not got involved is because the vast majority of threads end up in arguments with people just flaming each other and basically getting nowhere. The reason for this, as far as I am concerned, is rude, ignorant halfwits like bixplus and 306maxi. Not only do you completely miss the point of the thread but the third post is slagging off the original poster's father. Where the f**k do you people get off?? Personally, the likes of you should be banned until you have the courtesy to respond with some degree of respect for others. I would suggest that if you have nothing constructive to say then just shut the f**k up as people are not interested in your ignorance and blatant stupidity.


Harsh? Yes. True? Yes. If somebody wanted to buy a Porsche Carrera GT, to touch on an earlier example, and came away with a Porsche Boxster due to ignorance, I would not walk up to them and call them a moronic idiot. That doesn't change the fact that.. they are pretty idiotic.

I mean, I could *kinda* understand mixing up CoreDuo and Core2Duo, but Core2Duo and PentiumD? No sympathy here.
Synergy6

Seriously! Your ability to say what I mean but 10x better is getting on my nerves :p 
August 19, 2006 12:18:54 AM

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Or how close the "AMD 4200+ 939 X2 CPU Retail w/ Fan" sounds to the "AMD 4200+ AM2 X2 CPU


You Had A Good Point If You Think About This! AMD also was sneaky with the 4200 & 4200 X2(3800,4600,etc).... Sticking X2, behind the same number confuses the common folk....
August 19, 2006 12:19:54 AM

The point is you have somehow reached the conclusion that he is blaming Intel for his dad's mistake. Where exactly did this happen or have I been reading a cut down version of the thread?
August 19, 2006 12:21:07 AM

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Or how close the "AMD 4200+ 939 X2 CPU Retail w/ Fan" sounds to the "AMD 4200+ AM2 X2 CPU


Good point! AMD also was sneaky with the 4200 & 4200 X2(3800,4600,etc)....

In my mind this is worse than what the OP was talking about. At least a Pentium D will still work for this guy even though he wanted a Core 2 Duo.

That said I still think the responsibility lays with the consumer.
August 19, 2006 12:21:40 AM

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If I recall, the 3.06 Pentium 4 was hyperthreading capable. This came out before the Athlon 64 was out.


HyperThreading came OUT FIRST to the market, but HyperTransport was named(invented) first.... So intel took the HT letters, and beat them to market... I remember my outrage when the did that....
August 19, 2006 12:29:30 AM

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Because his dad's an idiot and knows nothing about PC's and ..... come to think of it it's just the OP's dad's fault.....


So the definition for an idiot is someone who dosen't know something you know.

That sounds kinda idiotic to me
August 19, 2006 12:30:48 AM

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Because his dad's an idiot and knows nothing about PC's and ..... come to think of it it's just the OP's dad's fault.....


So the definition for an idiot is someone who dosen't know something you know.

That sounds kinda idiotic to me

I did say that it was a harsh thing to say......
August 19, 2006 12:35:05 AM

I say we all Boycott both intel and AMD for their marketing sneakyness.... I am buying a tiny form factor VIA next OR waiting a couple years for a 'cell cpu' system....
August 19, 2006 12:35:12 AM

Would it be Ford's fault if I bought a Focus thinking it was a Mustang?
August 19, 2006 12:41:16 AM

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So the definition for an idiot is someone who dosen't know something you know.

That sounds kinda idiotic to me


Nope. But buying a PentiumD when you want a Core2Duo? Yes. I mean, hell, they don't even look or sound the same.
Synergy6

P.S. @ 306maxi: Sowwie :( 
August 19, 2006 12:51:50 AM

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Would it be Ford's fault if I bought a Focus thinking it was a Mustang?


I once bought a CHEVETTE thinking it was a CORVETTE - does this make me an idiot? I thought the price was kinda a little low?








let me guess - you guys are too young to even know what a chevy CHEVETTE is?
August 19, 2006 1:40:19 AM

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And lets not forget the pentiumHT - which came after AMD's HT(Hyper Transport) technology.... Intel also did that to confuse people....


Hyperthreading was out before AMD had cpus hypertransport.
August 19, 2006 1:46:09 AM

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I once bought a CHEVETTE thinking it was a CORVETTE - does this make me an idiot? I thought the price was kinda a little low?

let me guess - you guys are too young to even know what a chevy CHEVETTE is?


On the second point, young = yes, know what a chevette is = yes. I know what the Titanic is too, even though I'm "young".

On the first point, definitely yes. You've made a decision that cost tens of thousands of dollars, and you didn't bother to either read the bill, or actually listen to the salesperson, as he constantly repeated the name of a car that *wasn't* the one you wanted? ...

Buying something and not getting what you order is one thing, which is obviously the manufacturer's/vendor's fault. Not having the brain cells to buy the right thing in the first place, your fault.

Synergy6
August 19, 2006 2:35:48 AM

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If I recall, the 3.06 Pentium 4 was hyperthreading capable. This came out before the Athlon 64 was out.


HyperThreading came OUT FIRST to the market, but HyperTransport was named(invented) first.... So intel took the HT letters, and beat them to market... I remember my outrage when the did that....

Who the hell cares? Only fanbois, apparently.
August 19, 2006 3:14:05 AM

I dont know if id call Intel geniuses or you and your Dad just mislooked something.
August 19, 2006 3:15:09 AM

I agree

They have the Core Duo
Now they have the Core 2 Duo

The amount of confusion this is going to cause in the masses boggles the mind.

Marketing programs are filled with idiots I wouldn't let walk my dog.
August 19, 2006 3:35:05 AM

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I agree

They have the Core Duo
Now they have the Core 2 Duo

The amount of confusion this is going to cause in the masses boggles the mind.

Marketing programs are filled with idiots I wouldn't let walk my dog.


Building a strong brand for market presence and consumer awareness, promoting the advancement of technology through ascending product titles.. all the antithesis of PR 101.
Which, according to some of the posts on this thread is "Assume the customer has an IQ of about 30 and can't tell the difference between two different products, with different titles. Don't bother with a brand because as long as the 0.01% of the public who see no difference between "Pentium D" "Core2Duo" and "Core Duo" are kept happy, that's all that matters. Because some guy's dad made a silly mistake, our campaign will be revamped. That is all. Well, until we start renaming the CPU because JimnyBob doesn't know what it means. Let's call it... the thinker thingy."
Synergy6
August 19, 2006 3:42:58 AM

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And as a side note, Manufacturers do have a responsibility to the consumer.


Manufacturers have a responsibility to screw the consumer so that THEY (the company) make more money. Intel doesn't care about you; they just care about your money.

I just find it kinda ironic that the marketing people at Intel and other big companies are consumers themselves, who probably fall for the marketing BS that they practice at work.
August 19, 2006 4:15:34 AM

I (and probably your dad) should compliment you on your looking out for him with your knowledge of the technology. But meanwhile, there's a great many people out there who want to dispense with the learning curve or the risk, pain, and time of building a system.

There's all kinds of marketing ploys out there for the uninitiated. I hardly think Intel has the edge, or what they're up to is "wrong", or whatever.

hmmm.

Ask your dad to return the favor and give you advice on buying a car....

And some of you others go easy, no need to insult one's parents.
August 19, 2006 4:20:02 AM

Yes, isn't it amazing how brazen some people will get when protected by the anonymity of the Internet?
Bet the loudest mouths on this board wouldn't be brave enough to say half of what they say if thrust face to face with one of their targets.
August 19, 2006 4:31:04 AM

My mom was going to buy some oranges at a convenience store. She kept telling me she wanted to make orange juice.

So before she makes her purchase I glance at the shopping cart, she listed them as mandarins instead!

It took me like ten hours to convince her that she was not picking up the same fruit all her peers at work were drooling over.

people see mandarins and assume they are oranges

thats why the people who grow them are fruits Geniuses
August 19, 2006 5:05:53 AM

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Yes, isn't it amazing how brazen some people will get when protected by the anonymity of the Internet?
Bet the loudest mouths on this board wouldn't be brave enough to say half of what they say if thrust face to face with one of their targets.


The "target" being what is presumably an elderly gentleman, who thinks PentiumD is the same as Core2Duo. I could quite happily point out a lack of intelligence to his face. I wouldn't call pointing that out "brazen" either, just a comment, but some people get very sensitive on the internet about these things.
Synergy6
August 19, 2006 9:05:32 AM

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Or how close the "AMD 4200+ 939 X2 CPU Retail w/ Fan" sounds to the "AMD 4200+ AM2 X2 CPU


Good point! AMD also was sneaky with the 4200 & 4200 X2(3800,4600,etc)....

In my mind this is worse than what the OP was talking about. At least a Pentium D will still work for this guy even though he wanted a Core 2 Duo.

That said I still think the responsibility lays with the consumer.

amd only has one chip with dual core capability...

intel has two, that is where the slight ambiguity lies
August 19, 2006 9:55:28 AM

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I once bought a CHEVETTE thinking it was a CORVETTE - does this make me an idiot? I thought the price was kinda a little low?

let me guess - you guys are too young to even know what a chevy CHEVETTE is?


On the second point, young = yes, know what a chevette is = yes. I know what the Titanic is too, even though I'm "young".

On the first point, definitely yes. You've made a decision that cost tens of thousands of dollars, and you didn't bother to either read the bill, or actually listen to the salesperson, as he constantly repeated the name of a car that *wasn't* the one you wanted? ...

Buying something and not getting what you order is one thing, which is obviously the manufacturer's/vendor's fault. Not having the brain cells to buy the right thing in the first place, your fault.

Synergy6There's the key to this problem.

Did his dad "specifically" ask for a C2D? If not, then unfortunately it's his dad's poor judgement. If he did, and the salesman sold him a PD, the salesman is to blame(not Intel).

Unfortunately, as consumers, we have to question things, and be "leery".
He should have double-checked ,after getting the receipt, or before.. for that matter, that this IS Intels "newest/top-performing/new architecture/ etc.etc." processor. Core2Duo/Conroe/Allendale/Core do not sound similar to Pentium 4/PD/P EE/ or Celeron..so i see now deception or marketing strategy here at all. :?
August 19, 2006 10:39:45 AM

The OP is right, it's not a good move for the unwise PC people. I can't believe you called his dad an idiot, ugh. These Intel fanboys are getting out of control. Before, I thought AMD fanboys were the worst, now Intel fanboys are getting just as annoying.

Just because someone does not understand much about a certain subject, does not mean they are an idiot. Most people do not understand or even care what goes on inside their computer. Branding is really important. The fact that Intel went with Core 2 Duo, means that many people won't have a clue what that is. It would be really easy for them to assume that's just another Pentium, because to most people, Pentium and Intel are the same thing. That's their branding from the past, that they have simply ignored when launching this new processor.

It will take a long time for people to get Core 2 Duo into their heads. Not a great marketing stratagey, but not a disaster either.
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